Analysts: Rocket gives NKorea new bargaining chip

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HYUNG-JIN KIM | April 6, 2009 03:37 PM EST | AP

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South Korean protesters burn pictures of North Korean leader Kim Jong Il, flags and mock missiles during a rally against North Korea's missiles near the U.S. Embassy in Seoul, South Korea, Monday, April 6, 2009. The U.S. and its allies sought to punish North Korea's defiant launch of a rocket that apparently fizzled into the Pacific, holding an emergency U.N. meeting to respond to an act that some believe was a long-range missile test. (AP Photo/ Lee Jin-man)

SEOUL, South Korea — North Korea's new rocket launch gives the communist country another bargaining chip in negotiations over dismantling its nuclear weapons program even if the flight wasn't completely successful, analysts said Monday.

Even with suspected problems in separating the second and third stages, the rocket flew twice as far as any missile the North previously launched. That range falls far short of U.S. territory, but neighbors are concerned by the expanded reach of a regime that claims to have atomic bombs.

President Barack Obama and other world leaders called Sunday's launch a provocation that cannot go unanswered, but the U.N. Security Council was so divided it didn't even issue a preliminary statement of condemnation.

Diplomats privy to continuing talks in New York said China, Russia, Libya and Vietnam voiced concerns about further alienating and destabilizing North Korea. China, the North's closest ally, and Russia hold veto power as permanent members and could water down any response.

Analysts said Security Council sanctions imposed after the North's underground nuclear test explosion in 2006 that barred Pyongyang from working on ballistic missiles appeared to have had little effect because some countries showed no inclination to impose them.

North Korea's official Korean Central News Agency claimed again Monday that the rocket put an experimental communications satellite into orbit, while the U.S. and others suspected the test was a cover for improving technology for a long-range military missile.

U.S. and South Korean officials said the entire rocket, including whatever payload it carried, ended up in the ocean. South Korea said the second stage splashed down about 1,900 miles (3,100 kilometers) from the launch site.

That is double the distance a North Korean rocket managed in 1998 and far better than a 2006 launch of a missile that fizzled 42 seconds after liftoff. Japan, Guam, the Philippines, Mongolia and parts of China are now within range, but Anchorage, Alaska, is roughly 3,500 miles (6,000 kilometers) from the launch site.

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Daniel Pinkston, a Seoul-based analyst for the International Crisis Group, said the apparent failure of the rocket's third stage to separate properly from the second stage raised questions about the reliability of the technology.

"They're still a long ways off" from being able to successfully target and strike the United States, he said. It also is unclear whether the North has been able to miniaturize its warheads enough to load onto a rocket, he said.

But John Bolton, a former U.S. ambassador to the U.N. and ex-U.S. undersecretary of state in charge of the North Korean nuclear dossier, said the launch was still cause for concern.

"This is far from a failure. Japan is now clearly in range, and unless you're willing to kiss Japan goodbye, you have to be worried by this test," he told The Associated Press.

Kim Tae-woo, an analyst at Seoul's state-run Korea Institute for Defense Analyses, said the launch raises the stakes at the stalled six-nation talks aimed at persuading the North to give up its nuclear weapons program in exchange for aid and other concessions.

Pyongyang now can seek more help because it has more to bargain away, Kim said. And, he added, "North Korea is playing a game of trying to manipulate the U.S. by getting it within range, which is the so-called pressure card."

North Korea, one of the world's poorest countries, is in desperate need of outside aid. It has reportedly been selling missile parts and technology to whoever has the cash to pay for it.

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Associated Press writers Jae-soon Chang and Kelly Olsen in Seoul and John Heilprin at the United Nations contributed to this report.

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Meeting ends without agreement so the harshly worded letter of complaint will NOT be sent to Kim. Everyone knows North Korea has the capability to send a nuclear bomb to Seoul and Tokyo on their proven short and medium range ballast missiles.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:23 PM on 04/05/2009
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Does Kim use a teleprompter ? I know Chavez does. I'm pretty sure Stalin did too. Oh, and Hannibal, he was big on teleprompters.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:19 PM on 04/05/2009
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Probably why he lost whichever Punic War it was that he lost.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:21 PM on 04/05/2009
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2nd

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:40 PM on 04/05/2009
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Stalin?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:22 PM on 04/05/2009
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Kim is big time into mousse

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:24 PM on 04/05/2009
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He has quite a do. A chick magnet no doubt.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:26 PM on 04/05/2009
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enough with this teleprompter BS....you'­re embarrassing yourself..­..LOL

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:27 PM on 04/05/2009
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When Cain asked God, "Am I my brother's keeper?" he was reading it off of a telelprompter.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:31 PM on 04/05/2009
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PARTY AT SCROGGIES!!!!!!!!!!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:18 PM on 04/05/2009
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O/T

There is a very interesting documentary about G i t m o on National Geographic chan.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:17 PM on 04/05/2009

Thanks for the heads up! forgot about that

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:28 PM on 04/05/2009
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OT but relevant (sorry about the source):

Pres. Obama brings change, again:

http://www.politico.com/blogs/michaelcalderone/0409/Media_to_cover_war_dead_1st_time_in_18_years.html

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:16 PM on 04/05/2009

And a commitment to rein in nukes!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:18 PM on 04/05/2009
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I stayed up all night so I could watch that speech live at 4:00 a.m.

To me, it was historic. Obviously, the MSM did not think so.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:20 PM on 04/05/2009

I think it is so necessary. What a shame and disgrace that we send them over to fight and die with a heroes send off, but sneak the fallen back in without much more than a word.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:34 PM on 04/05/2009

I wonder what republicans know ..........­..........­.....about what the "China deal" was all about?

You know the deal with the biggest mas mu r d e r in history?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:16 PM on 04/05/2009
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I know I know...Hil­lary just made a deal with China and said Obama would not bring up China's lousy human rights record if China would lend us money.

What a deal.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:26 PM on 04/05/2009

They own us........­.....nice huh?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:29 PM on 04/05/2009
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"Kim is reportedly a big film buff and his strategy appears to have borrowed heavily from the 1959 movie "The Mouse That Roared," about a fictional poor country that declares war on the U.S., expecting to lose and get aid like the Marshall Plan that Washington used to help rebuild its World War II foes"

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090406/ap_on_re_as/as_nkorea_missile
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Ha ha ha ha!

Let's rent that movie and find out Kim's next move.
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    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:16 PM on 04/05/2009
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Kim is more like the Louse that Bored.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:19 PM on 04/05/2009
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...or Bush the Louse.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:22 PM on 04/05/2009
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LOL

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:26 PM on 04/05/2009
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Great book by a great Irish writer - Leonard Wibberley. He wrote the Father Bredder detective series under the name Leonard Holton. A Pact with Satan is a classic.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:26 PM on 04/05/2009
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Is the movie based on one of his books?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:29 PM on 04/05/2009
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I wonder if Israel fired a missile like this, if there would be the same round of apathy from the U.N...?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:15 PM on 04/05/2009
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They get a free-pass.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:18 PM on 04/05/2009
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That's a big "if."

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:31 PM on 04/05/2009
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There is no apathy. The UN loves Dictators. Besides, it has no teeth and it never will. It is just a forum for talk and to grossly mismanage aid programs to enrich the administrators.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:49 PM on 04/05/2009
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If all three of Japan’s closest neighbors -- Russia, China and North Korea -- have nuclear weapons, and U.S. power is receding in Asia, and American will is being severely tested in Afghanistan and Iraq, Tokyo will surely have to reconsider the nuclear option.

Beijing refused to use its enormous economic leverage to coerce North Korea into giving up its nuclear program. Now, China may find herself with a nuclear-armed South Korea, Japan and perhaps Taiwan.

As for the United States, the nuclearization of Asia means it is time to move U.S. forces back to Guam and, as LBJ said, let Asian boys do the fighting that Asian boys should be doing for themselves.

--Pat Buchanan

http://www.theamericancause.org/index.php?mact=News,cntnt01,detail,0&cntnt01articleid=177&cntnt01origid=26&cntnt01returnid=29

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Pat Buchanan is afraid of earth worms

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Interesting!

Honestly Japan & all the other Asian Countries of Japans like mindedness should handle South Korea if need be.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:21 PM on 04/05/2009
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Buchanan is right once in a while, but only by accident.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:25 PM on 04/05/2009
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And then he later goes out of his way to 'correct' himself...

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:31 PM on 04/05/2009
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Reagan should not have rejected Gorbecheff's offer of eliminating all nukes back in the 80's so the MIC would continue milking the American tax payers.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:26 PM on 04/05/2009
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Say what you want about Pat Buchanan, there are times when he has a valid point. At least he's a con that shares a national interest beyond what may fill his own pockets.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:31 PM on 04/05/2009
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What is Michelle wearing today, that's what really matters.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:13 PM on 04/05/2009
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Something Oscar de la Renta doesn't like, no doubt.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:15 PM on 04/05/2009
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I hate that I already knew that, ugh ; )

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:16 PM on 04/05/2009

Hes just mad shes not abord his money train.

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----------­----------­----------­-------A quote from the Article---­----------­----------­----------­------

"We cannot contain our disappointment and regret over North Korea's reckless act," presidential spokesman Lee Dong-kwan told reporters Sunday. He said the launch of the long-range rocket "poses a serious threat to security on the Korean peninsula and the world."

__________­__________­____My Random Thoughts__­__________­__________

They could just on the other hand keep on building Weapons & other things in secret, and then out of nowhere use those things in a harmful way; other then announcing what their going to do and then doing them in a non-harmful way instead...­.

As far as intentions go; I would just ask what Country would do differently ? I mean most Countries & People that want to survive and gain more keys to insure that survival would do whatever that seems to be within ones power too do so.

However, sometimes those same actions can seem & could be dangerous when done or eventually used in a way that would lead to harming others.

Perfection & total agreement between everyone is something that We all should strive for, however it isn't something to be used as a excuse or tool to force others into compliance and a false state of perfection.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:13 PM on 04/05/2009
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Krist, I could round up some of my old buddies and we could open a can of whoop@ss on N. Korea.

Change the Main !

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:12 PM on 04/05/2009
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This main was up when i got to work at 230p......­...ya please ,new picture...­.carla brunni cooking nude......­something

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:33 PM on 04/05/2009
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; )

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:45 PM on 04/05/2009
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Lil Kim reminds me of Bush. They act the similarly.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:12 PM on 04/05/2009
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One's black.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:24 PM on 04/05/2009
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Which one?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:45 PM on 04/05/2009
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I believe Kim Jong Ill is living in a bubble in which he has a bloated belief of the capabilities of North Korea scientists and technology. His scientists and leutenants not to disapoint keep staging these satelite and missile launches that he sees take off but does not know how it performs and of cause they tell him it performrd the way it was supposed to even if it crashed into the sea. It suits his ego his leutenants keep their perks. The danger is that with all the wests posturing and paranoia we are going to do something stupid and get into another unnessary war. north korea is a country and can and should aspire to achieve any developement that other countries have and if I am in their position just like Iran nobody or country is going to stop me even if it means war.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:12 PM on 04/05/2009

Former Speaker Gingrich while a guest on Fox News Sunday said that we have a President with a "Fantasy Foreign Policy." He talks glowingly about a meeting that he's going to have next year with world leaders, and while he's making his speech, the North Koreans shoot off a rocket. He rightly blamed both previous administrations for talking while North Korea was building. But it's obvious that even with the seemingly personal popularity of President Obama, it's not translating into any long term safety gains for the U.S. http://theclosetconservative.com

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:08 PM on 04/05/2009
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It's a good thing N. Korea didn't try testing any nucle.a.r we.apons or mis.s.iles when the LAST guy was president.

Cuz then there'd have been he.l.l to pay!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:14 PM on 04/05/2009
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Gingrich is one to talk. He wanted to take out the missile with some laser to prevent North Korea's nuclear attack on us..

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:17 PM on 04/05/2009
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Well, we are looking for a real live test for our experimental air to air laser housed in a modified military version of the 707.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:55 PM on 04/05/2009
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"Eye of newt and wing of bat...."

--The Witches in Macbeth

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:17 PM on 04/05/2009
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Did you mention Newt Gingrich?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:17 PM on 04/05/2009
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I could really give a flying F what Former Speaker Gingrich has to say.

He's a has-been.

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