Gun Permits: What The Latest Mass Killings Have In Common

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DEBORAH HASTINGS | 04/ 7/09 07:43 PM | AP

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FILE - This file image provided by News 10 Now in Syracuse, N.Y. on Monday April 6, 2009 shows Jiverly Wong's gun permit. A letter that included three photos, a gun permit and Wong's driver's license was mailed to News 10 Now and postmarked Friday April 3, the day Wong killed 13 people before taking his own life in the American Civic Association community center in Binghamton, N.Y. There have been seven rampages that have claimed 53 lives since March 10 in this country, and nearly every gunman in this month-long series of mass killings was legally entitled to wield the weapons he opened fire with. (AP Photo/News 10 Now)

They had more in common than unleashing carnage _ nearly every gunman in this monthlong series of mass killings was legally entitled to fire his weapons.

So what does that say about the state of gun control laws in this country? One thing appears certain: the regulations aren't getting stricter. Many recent efforts to change weapons laws have been about easing them.

Despite eight rampages that have claimed 57 lives since March 10, "it hasn't sparked any national goal to deal with this epidemic. In fact, it's going the other way," said Scott Vogel of the Freedom States Alliance, a gun control activist group.

Even President Barack Obama has felt that sway. Last month, 65 House Democrats said they would block any attempt to resurrect an expired federal ban against assault weapons.

The pro-gun Democrats, led by Rep. Mike Ross of Arkansas, wrote Attorney General Eric Holder saying they opposed not only a ban on military-style guns, but also efforts "to pass any similar law."

Gun control issues would only produce "a long and divisive fight," they said, at a time when Congress should be focused on the roiling economy.

A few states are trying to loosen gun restrictions. In the Texas Capitol _ where legislators can carry guns _ bills easily passed the Senate in recent weeks that would allow employees to bring weapons to work as long as they leave them locked in their cars, and let those packing heat off the legal hook if they walked into a bar that didn't have signs saying guns weren't allowed inside.

The state also is considering allowing students licensed to carry a concealed weapon _ there are about 300,000 such adults in Texas _ to bring guns on campus.

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Kansas plans to put a measure on its 2010 ballot that would rewrite the state constitution to make gun ownership a personal, rather than collective, right. In Tennessee, lawmakers made progress this month toward allowing guns to be carried in state and local parks.

"I think you're seeing a continuing change of culture," Vogel said. "I think the gun lobby wants to take away any stigma to gun ownership. I think they feel emboldened, like who's going to stop them?"

The National Rifle Association, the country's most powerful gun lobbying group, declined to comment this week on gun control laws. "Now is not the time to debate politics or discuss policy. It is time for families and communities to grieve and to heal," it said in a prepared statement.

Groups such as Vogel's, and the Brady Campaign to Prevent Gun Violence, say existing laws are already too weak _ just look at the men who received gun permits, legally bought high-powered weapons, and then mowed down family, friends and total strangers in these past few weeks, they say.

Joining their outrage was the U.S. Conference of Mayors. "How many more gun-related acts of violence must we experience before the nation's leaders will decide that it is time to act?" asked president Manuel Diaz, mayor of Miami.

Gun enthusiasts say there is no way to prevent human beings from committing insane acts _ whether they have a gun permit or not. And studies conflict on whether stricter gun laws lessen gun violence.

On Friday, a depressed and angry Jiverly Wong used a 9 mm and .45-caliber handgun to kill 13 immigrants and service center employees in Binghamton, N.Y., police said. Earlier that day, the ethnic Chinese immigrant from Vietnam mailed an envelope to a Syracuse television station. In it were his gun permit, photos of him smiling while hoisting shiny, big handguns, and his driver's license.

Questions have been raised over the upstate New York gun permit issued to Wong in 1997. Two years later, he was reported to state police by an informer who claimed Wong was planning a bank heist to feed a crack-cocaine habit. Unlike other areas of the state, including New York City, Wong's Broome County permit did not have to be renewed.

Local authorities, however, have broad discretion in reviewing and revoking such permits, according to legal experts. Especially when it comes to drug use, criminal behavior and violence.

"In retrospect, this is probably not a guy who should have had a gun," said attorney Jeffrey Chamberlain, a former Rochester prosecutor and chief counsel to the New York State Police. "No one likes to see things fall through the cracks and it looks like this guy fell through the cracks."

Binghamton police chief Joseph Zikuski said Tuesday that no robbery occurred and there was no merit to review Wong's gun permit.

In New York City, gun permits are reissued every three years.

Yet, regulations differ only slightly between states, Chamberlain said. "They're fairly typical _ don't be a felon, don't be a drunk, don't beat your kids or your wife. Don't be so mentally unbalanced that you need be in an institution."

To Chamberlain, the answer to gun violence lies not in stricter regulations, but in answering the question, "Why are we so tolerant of having guns in this country? The answer to that is historical. We've had guns for a very long time.

"I can't think of any sweeping law change that would address that."

To Vogel, the answer to why atrocities happen in places such as Binghamton, and before that Washington state and Santa Clara, Calif., lies in sheer numbers.

The number 280 million, to be precise, the estimated total of every gun in this country.

"When you have that many guns, those guns are going to be used in horrific ways," Vogel said. "There's just too many. Inevitably, somehow, some way, those weapons are going to be used in an egregious way."

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- Boboday555 I'm a Fan of Boboday555 128 fans permalink
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Cops want stricter gun control legislation because they're the ones facing AK-47's on the streets.
The NRA doesn't want stricter gun control legislation because their membership is made up mostly of republicans and republicans are stupid!

Thems [sic] the facts...and they are undisputed.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:28 AM on 04/08/2009
- Dimensio I'm a Fan of Dimensio 22 fans permalink

Please demonstrate that AK-47s are significantly represented in criminal activity. Asserting that your position is "undisputed fact" is not logically equivalent to demonstrating that your position is factual.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:31 AM on 04/08/2009

Excuse me, but where I live, there are many nights where I can hear the sound of automatic guns going off in the distance. Followed shortly by the sounds of sirens going in that direction of those gun shots. It is people like you that makes the situation worse because you live in some fantasy, idealized bubble world, and don't have to see or live in the reality that law enforcement and people like me live in.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:38 AM on 04/08/2009
- TFlint I'm a Fan of TFlint 42 fans permalink
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Please demonstrate that AK-47s are required for shooting rabbits.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:40 AM on 04/08/2009
- loria I'm a Fan of loria 158 fans permalink
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All it takes in one event and a lot of people are dead. Watch the documentary on the BofA bank robbery where the cops were way out armed by the robbers who were well armed with a lot of assault weapons. A lot of cops and citizens were seriously injured that day.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:42 AM on 04/08/2009
- Boboday555 I'm a Fan of Boboday555 128 fans permalink
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http://www.kmiz.com/news/story.php?id=10781&author=Jacqueline+Lapine&category=Crime&franchise=&county=Boone&city=Columbia&partner=

Now you please demonstrate how this nation can have over 11,000 gun related murders each year and how Canada can have 5 but that gun control laws don't stem gun crime.

Then GO ENLIST TOUGH GUY!!!!
The Army will give you all the guns you want...for free.
Or is it less fun when the other side shoots back.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:48 AM on 04/08/2009
- Boboday555 I'm a Fan of Boboday555 128 fans permalink
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Please demonstrate why anyone would need Cop Killer Bullets, .50 Caliber Sniper Rifles, Fully automatic Assault Weapons.
I've asked you bdfore to justify the need for ordinary citizens to won such powerful killing machines but you ignored me...again.
Now I'm asking for an explanation!
We won't hold out breath though!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:08 AM on 04/08/2009

What "cops" are you talking about? I asked this earlier and you never answered. What organization or what city that the cops feel like this...?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:32 AM on 04/08/2009
- LeftRight I'm a Fan of LeftRight 140 fans permalink
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If they are facing AK-47s out there, then explain why there are so few AKs used in crimes!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:39 AM on 04/08/2009

As long as the NRA. retains it"s "gun to the head of Congressmen" power, the US. can't stop the carnage. This is the opposite of freedom and democracy.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:25 AM on 04/08/2009

The NRA is an organization that happens to support the 2nd Ammendment to our Constitution. The NRA weilds power, but this power is given to it by it's members, citizens of the USA.

Freedom and democracy must have a different meaning in your dictionary. Either that or it is your political party's ideology that has made what appears to be an otherwise sane brain into a mound of mush.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:29 AM on 04/08/2009
- loria I'm a Fan of loria 158 fans permalink
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The NRA and many, like you, oppose any attempt to further restrict guns. I just don't get it. Let's just be reasonable. I can be reasonable. I don't want that many restrictions. Why can't you be reasonable and admit that some restrictions doesn't mean that your guns are going to be taken away forever?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:33 AM on 04/08/2009
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Would you please quote me where your constitution is the word democracy used?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:37 AM on 04/08/2009
- TFlint I'm a Fan of TFlint 42 fans permalink
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The 2nd Ammendment supports a well regulated militia - the National Guard - no more.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:41 AM on 04/08/2009
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"This is the opposite of freedom and democracy."

Didn't you mean to say:

This is the opposite of freedom and our democratic way of life?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:29 AM on 04/08/2009
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Good thing we are not a Democracy.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:22 PM on 04/08/2009

These killings keep happening and all everyone can talk about is the political issue of guns/no guns. The practical issue in all of these cases is mental health. The 17 year old that killed his two sisters and almost the third did so with a knife. Where is the discussion about the lack of mental health awareness and treatment. Until that discussion takes place in a constructive manner this will continue. So carry on with the political BS while the real issue keeps yelling in our faces.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:23 AM on 04/08/2009
- loria I'm a Fan of loria 158 fans permalink
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It's not guns vs. no guns. It rational restrictions for guns and there is a good proportion of the population that won't even consider rational restrictions for guns.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:26 AM on 04/08/2009
- All in All I'm a Fan of All in All 63 fans permalink

Indeed.

Sometimes it's easier to deny all then it is to accept some; amazing how the people whom back the Republicans claim that Democrats want to ban all guns, yet that's not true, and those people are the ones whom don't want any regulations of guns....

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:29 AM on 04/08/2009
- Dimensio I'm a Fan of Dimensio 22 fans permalink

To what "rational restrictions" do you refer? Please demonstrate that any suggested "restriction" is actually rational.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:31 AM on 04/08/2009
- Borborigny I'm a Fan of Borborigny 5 fans permalink
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I suspect it's really about rational vs. irrational, and that debate ain't goin' nowhere.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:35 AM on 04/08/2009

Rational restrictions will do nothing to stop the criminal element from obtaining whatever gun they want. They obtain these guns through different channels and black markets. The only people that these restrictions would effecgt is the honest gun owner. Period.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:45 AM on 04/08/2009

Regarding everyone below:

You are all still talking about guns. I don't give a *&#! about guns or the political issues of them. This problem is a mental health issue period. No one is even mentioning that. Everyone is so caught up on their view on guns that they aren't looking at the real problem.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:38 AM on 04/08/2009

Fine. Use psychological testing before issuing a gun permit. This is great. And all the honest gun owners will adhere to this. But then the criminal element is a different story. They do not obtain their guns from reputable dealers. They get theirs from different black markets and such. So, all this testing would do NOTHING to stem the criminal's use of any type of gun.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:43 AM on 04/08/2009
- All in All I'm a Fan of All in All 63 fans permalink

I mentioned that a few times now, look at my other post; click on My name and find the long post in my comments section!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:50 AM on 04/08/2009
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Fundamentalists religionists, terrorists all those who hate the American way of life must be so pleased, that all American want to do is to shoot each other. Americans seem to be so frightened of each other.

You guys will never get rid of your guns, not certain what it will take to make you do so, no massacre of innocent people seems to do - all it does is reinforce those who are already carrying an arsenal of weapons up their firepower.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:20 AM on 04/08/2009
- MaxBob I'm a Fan of MaxBob 47 fans permalink
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I carry concealed legally. It's better to have a gun and NOT need it than need a gun and NOT have it. I applaud the NRA and many, many other groups and individuals for protecting my RIGHT to own a gun. And as to use, I'd rather be judged by 12 than to be carried out by 6. Gotta luv the euphemisms.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:19 AM on 04/08/2009
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"It's better to have a gun and NOT need it than need a gun and NOT have it."

Fear-mongering 101.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:22 AM on 04/08/2009
- Dimensio I'm a Fan of Dimensio 22 fans permalink

Please explain your assertion.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:25 AM on 04/08/2009
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@instagladiator it is not fear mongering... Who do you call when a crime has been commited? The police, and the reason why you call them is because they have guns. Without guns they would be just as defenceless agianst those with them.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:25 AM on 04/08/2009

No. This is what is called "Common sense 101". Courtesy of our founding Fathers.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:26 AM on 04/08/2009

How is the possibility of having to defend yourself at some point in life in any way fear mongering? I guess I should ditch all my household smoke detectors and fire extinguishers, too. To scare people into to having such devices must be fear-mongering as well, especially when I live close by to a fire department. Sorry, but guns are very useful tools in a dangerous situation, however improbable that situation might be. It's like you think there is something wrong with being prepared for the worst.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:48 AM on 04/08/2009

MaxBob, I am new to this site. But I agree with you, none the less. I, too, carry legally. I travel(by car) for work, and I feel safer having my .38 with me. I know how to use it and I respect the he** out of it. Being a female may contribute to the fact that I feel a need for a gun. I don't know, maybe it was my dad being a police officer the whole time I was growing up. I'm not sure. Either way, I am glad I have my .38. I feel safe with it by my side.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:23 AM on 04/08/2009
- qdog112 I'm a Fan of qdog112 71 fans permalink
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"I feel safe with it by my side"

Without it, you're someone's girlfriend. I get it, you're soooooo scared.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:27 AM on 04/08/2009
- loria I'm a Fan of loria 158 fans permalink
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No one wants to take your .38 from you. But, don't you think your police officer father would prefer to go up against that .38 than an assault rifle or automatic weapon? I am guessing he would.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:28 AM on 04/08/2009
- loria I'm a Fan of loria 158 fans permalink
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MaxBob,
When have you needed that gun? How likely is it that you will ever need that gun to protect yourself or others?

I don't have a problem with those who carry a concealed weapon with a permit, but I would really prefer to live in a world where people aren't walking with guns strapped to them.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:25 AM on 04/08/2009

So would most people. But that is not the real world.

I can not speak for MaxBob, I can only speak from my own experience. I have pulled my gun on one person. And I am here today because of it.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:31 AM on 04/08/2009
- Boboday555 I'm a Fan of Boboday555 128 fans permalink
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Of course you carry a concealed weapon little boy.
Its easier than using your fists like men do.

And that wasn't a euphemisms...geez!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:25 AM on 04/08/2009
- Dimensio I'm a Fan of Dimensio 22 fans permalink

Do you have a rational argument to offer?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:32 AM on 04/08/2009
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I'm sure you would be quick to call the police to bring their gun to get whoever introduced you to their fists...

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:57 AM on 04/08/2009
- qdog112 I'm a Fan of qdog112 71 fans permalink
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It's better to shoot someone in the back and claim you feared for your life or property and practice your marksmanship skills - than to allow someone to live.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:25 AM on 04/08/2009

Guns are too easy to obtain however in all these cases these individuals had mental health issues that weren't dealt with properly. We have to force our health care systems to address this fact, we have to be vigilant ourselves in our communities and our families. If you need help with a troubled relative seek it. If you can't find it get other family members, neighbors, or friends to help you get it. Too often people don't want to talk about these things to others to their own detriment. Surrounding neighbors and friends should look for signs and be a support by listening, helping, and acting.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:16 AM on 04/08/2009
- loria I'm a Fan of loria 158 fans permalink
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Help for the mentally ill went out with Reagan.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:29 AM on 04/08/2009

It's gotten much worse and it will continue in greater numbers with the stress of this economic time. Everyone will continue to bicker over their political ideas instead of addressing the real problem. They can't see the forest for the trees. It's ridiculous.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:41 AM on 04/08/2009
- Highwind I'm a Fan of Highwind 7 fans permalink
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There needs to be more extensive background checks. How in the hell can anybody be against that? Geez!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:15 AM on 04/08/2009

You realize that the only reason we aren't mid '90's Serbia and Bosnia is due to the fact of the ability of citizens to arm themselves against govermental supression and inslavement. WAKE UP!
Crazy people will do things with or without a gun available, 500,000 people died by the hand of machetes in Rowanda, which is more brutal.
I fully agree that nuts shouldn't have guns, but should we also ban steak knives, or maybe baseball bats, how about cars that kill way more people each year than guns, or maybe cigerettes, or maybe Walmart for all the unhealthy food and plastic products they sell.
And for those who want an 'assult rifle" ban, less than 1% of all gun deaths occur as a result of so called assult rifles, 95% of gun death occur from small caliber illegal handguns.
We are scared of AK-47 rifles because that is what the bad guys carrry in movies, in our 'enemy' countries in their propoganda and movies, the bad guys carry American AR-15 style rifles and THEY are the boogieman.

When the guns are outlawed only outlaws will have guns.......well and the oppressive government that runs this country.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:15 AM on 04/08/2009
- Boboday555 I'm a Fan of Boboday555 128 fans permalink
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Another boy living in fantasy land!

This clown actually thinks a few hillbillies with double barreled shot guns would be able to hold off the UNITED STATES MILITARY.
Please!
In Gulf War One our Military waded through the second largest standing army on Earth in like 100 hours!
And this child thinks the reason civilians should have assault rifles is to hold THAT military at bay???
Really?

Wow...what color is the sky on your planet MarcoPolo?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:22 AM on 04/08/2009
- LeftRight I'm a Fan of LeftRight 140 fans permalink
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First, the chances that they wouldn't have help from many, if not most, of the US military is naive at best. There's a reason why, in spite of SERIOUSLY popular Generals, we haven't had a military coup here, because the people brought into the military are taught to respect the Constitution, and would refuse any such orders!

Second, if you don't think that a few MILLION "hillbillies with double barreled shotguns" couldn't stand up to the US military that would be left, ESPECIALLY since many of those "hillbillies" served their country with honor....

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:43 AM on 04/08/2009
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Do you really think OUR military would turn on US?
He's talking about the authoritarian gov't.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:55 AM on 04/08/2009
- qdog112 I'm a Fan of qdog112 71 fans permalink
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"the oppressive government that runs this country."

Wow. When exactly did the government become oppressive to you? There used to be a law against subversion. Did you feel that way when people were in the streets protesting during the 60's and people were being shot down on campuses and in minority communities - by the government?

My guess is NOT.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:22 AM on 04/08/2009
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"Wow. When exactly did the government become oppressive to you?"

And the answer is...
"when people were in the streets protesting during the 60's and people were being shot down on campuses and in minority communities - by the government"

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:53 AM on 04/08/2009
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Where have you been? You go to some of these inner city neighborhoods and you will see war zones similar to Bosnia and Serbia. By the way, steak knives and and baseball bats can't kill scores of people in the space of several minutes. Making ridiculous comparisons between guns and steak knives and bats adds nothing to the debate.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:26 AM on 04/08/2009
- alabaman I'm a Fan of alabaman 5 fans permalink

I've said this on other posts and I will repeat it here. The Supreme Court handed the gun lobby the gift of a lifetime when it ruled last year in "Heiler v. District of Columbia" (striking down the DC law that banned hanguns and required triggerlocks on rifles) that gun ownership is a fundamental individual right accorded the same constitutional protection as the First Amendment. While there can be reasonable limitation such as not selling guns to felons or minors, any limitation on gun ownership is subject to strict judicial scrutiny. It will be very difficult to effectively regulate guns now.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:15 AM on 04/08/2009
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That said I don't see how the prohibition agianst felons will hold up ultimately. You would never think of limiting a felons right to free speech. Which is why most states have already started instantly restoring the right to vote to convicted felons. Personally I think non violent offenderssjould have those rights restored soon completion of their sentance. It is not logical to hope for felons to be productive in society if they are forever branded with a scarlet letter.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:10 PM on 04/08/2009
- MaxBob I'm a Fan of MaxBob 47 fans permalink
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The call to re-institute an 'assault weapons' ban is comical. Since, I believe only one of the latest incidences involved such a defined weapon. And, manufacturers will by-pass any new ban almost immediately. But, my investment is growing exponentially.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:13 AM on 04/08/2009

Where are the polls, CNN, MSNBC, ABC, CBS regarding whether Americans want GUN CONTROL?
Where are the polls, CNN, MSNBC, ABC, CBS regarding WHAT changes Americans want to see in gun control legislation?
Where are the town halls, the congressional meetings, the focus groups to address WHAT Americans want to see our elected leaders do in addressing our RIGHT to be safe in our schools, our universities, and places of business and worship?

Is the reason for relaxation of gun control legislation the same reason accounting for HOW and WHY tax payers money was taken and used to give retention bonuses to financial industries that literally misled investors, while promoting the economics of "smoke and mirrors"?

Arianna...here's a great opportunity for investigative reporting.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:11 AM on 04/08/2009
- bmwracer I'm a Fan of bmwracer 2 fans permalink

Right on.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:16 AM on 04/08/2009

If the truth can be pursued and reported, what would we find?

Are there similarities between the PAC lists and PAC recipients regarding the financial industries bailed out by tax payers money and PAC lists and PAC recipients regarding the munitions industries and the relaxation of regulations to protect Americans from guns in the wrong hands?

What would we find through investigative reports that parallels legislation passed, PAC donations made, and MEASURES of VIOLENCE INCIDENTS in our schools, universities and places of work, with questions answered concerning WHO benefits/ WHO pays the price regarding any legislation passed, if we were to compare the recipients of PAC money through multi-million dollar lending corporations and PAC recipients, as well as who benefitted from decisions made by our elected officials, and all the multi-million dollar munitions industries, their PAC donations, their PAC recipients, and legislation passed that favors the munitions industry to the exclusion of the WILL and the RIGHTS AND PROTECTIONS of the American people?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:11 AM on 04/08/2009
- Boboday555 I'm a Fan of Boboday555 128 fans permalink
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Cops want stricter gun control laws.
The NRA, GOP and RNC do not.

Why does the NRA, GOP and RNC hate cops and their families?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:08 AM on 04/08/2009
- jozinha I'm a Fan of jozinha 21 fans permalink
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Sounds like a good anti-gun campaign slogan.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:13 AM on 04/08/2009
- MaxBob I'm a Fan of MaxBob 47 fans permalink
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If it were true.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:14 AM on 04/08/2009
- loria I'm a Fan of loria 158 fans permalink
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Cops don't want to walk into a situation where they are out-armed. It's as simple as that.

All I want is an for someone to give a rational reason that any citizen should have an automatic weapon. What are they going to use it for? Give me a legitimate reason to have one since it's not a hunting weapon, a weapon used for self protection, etc. It is designed to kill a lot of people in a short time. It makes it perfect for war, but beyond that it seems to have no legitimate purpose, so why not restrict them?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:13 AM on 04/08/2009

Hey Mr. parrot, we get the point, you love cops.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:18 AM on 04/08/2009
- Boboday555 I'm a Fan of Boboday555 128 fans permalink
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Hey Ms. Vector (who still hasn't enlisted to go fight for his AWOL President's Oil War in Iraq) ,
I do love cops.
I ask them to protect myself, my family and my community.
Is it so crazy to listen to them when they ask us to rid the streets of Cop Killer Bullets and Assault Rifles?

And we get the point Ms, Vector...you and your NRA buddies Hate Cops!!!
Glad we cleared that up republican.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:53 AM on 04/08/2009

Wow! Police have guns; at work & at home.

Love your country; fear your government.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:19 AM on 04/08/2009
- qdog112 I'm a Fan of qdog112 71 fans permalink
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"Love your country; fear your government."

Oh, I'm scared. Fear fear fear. Cowards all where we used to be brave.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:32 AM on 04/08/2009

Let's also outlaw cars, cigarettes & alcohol. For the record, I do drive a car, but I don't drink or smoke. These things are major factors in thousands of deaths, but you don't hear anything about that.
If anyone thinks that banning guns will stop murder, they're wrong. If you're intent on killing someone, you WILL find a way. I'm no NRA fan.. but I would still like to preserve the rights of gun owners and potential gun owners. I may decide someday to buy a gun for protection.. who knows??

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:07 AM on 04/08/2009
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The never-ending debate goes on and on and on.

Bottom line: You reap what you sow.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:06 AM on 04/08/2009
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Indeed.

However, thank goodness most things can be re-sown.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:09 AM on 04/08/2009
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Only with the proper seedlings.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:23 AM on 04/08/2009
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Except a life...A life can not be resown and that's the bottom line issue

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:11 AM on 04/08/2009
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