Olbermann: Future Of The U.S. Depends On Torture Accountability (VIDEO)

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04/16/09 09:40 PM

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In his special comment tonight, Keith Olbermann takes on the release of the torture memos, praising President Obama for daring to release "the dirty laundry" but criticizing him for not laying blame.

Olbermann stressed the importance of torture accountability, emphasizing that it was Obama's responsibility to make sure that this "painful chapter" is not repeated.

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Here is the full transcript of the comments:

As promised, a Special Comment now on the president's revelation of the remainder of this nightmare of Bush Administration torture memos. This President has gone where few before him, dared. The dirty laundry -- illegal, un-American, self-defeating, self-destroying -- is out for all to see.


Mr. Obama deserves our praise and our thanks for that. And yet he has gone but half-way. And, in this case, in far too many respects, half the distance is worse than standing still. Today, Mr. President, in acknowledging these science-fiction-like documents, you said that:

"This is a time for reflection, not retribution. I respect the strong views and emotions that these issues evoke."

"We have been through a dark and painful chapter in our history.

"But at a time of great challenges and disturbing disunity, nothing will be gained by spending our time and energy laying blame for the past.

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Mr. President, you are wrong. What you describe would be not "spent energy" but catharsis.
Not "blame laid," but responsibility ascribed. You continued:

"Our national greatness is embedded in America's ability to right its course in concert with our core values, and to move forward with confidence. That is why we must resist the forces that divide us, and instead come together on behalf of our common future."

Indeed we must, Mr. President. And the forces of which you speak are the ones lingering -- with pervasive stench -- from the previous administration. Far more than a criminal stench, Sir. An immoral one. One we cannot let be re-created.

One, President Obama, it is your responsibility to make sure cannot be re-created. Forgive me for quoting from a Comment I offered the night before the inauguration. But this goes to the core of the President's commendable, but wholly naive, intention. This country has never "moved forward with confidence".without first cleansing itself of its mistaken past.

In point of fact, every effort to merely draw a line in the sand and declare the past dead has served only to keep the past alive and often to strengthen it. We "moved forward" with slavery in the Declaration of Independence and the Constitution. And four score and nine years later, we had buried 600,000 of our sons and brothers, in a Civil War.

After that war's ending, we "moved forward" without the social restructuring -- and protection of the rights of minorities -- in the south. And a century later, we had not only not resolved anything, but black leaders were still being assassinated in our southern cities.

We "moved forward" with Germany in the reconstruction of Europe after the First World War.
Nobody even arrested the German Kaiser, let alone conducted war crimes trials then. And 19 years later, there was an indescribably more evil Germany and a more heart-rending Second World War.

We "moved forward" with the trusts of the early 1900s. And today, we are at the mercy of corporations too big to fail. We "moved forward" with the Palmer Raids and got McCarthyism.
And we "moved forward" with McCarthyism and got Watergate. We "moved forward" with Watergate and junior members of the Ford administration realized how little was ultimately at risk.

They grew up to be Paul Wolfowitz and Donald Rumsfeld and Dick Cheney. But, Mr. President, when you say we must "come together on behalf of our common future" you are entirely correct. We must focus on getting things right in the future, as opposed to looking at what we got wrong in the past.

That means prosecuting all those involved in the Bush administration's torture of prisoners, even if the results are nominal punishments, or merely new laws. Your only other option is to let this set and fester indefinitely. Because, Sir, some day there will be another Republican president, or even a Democrat just as blind as Mr. Bush to ethics and this country's moral force. And he will look back to what you did about Mr. Bush. Or what you did not do.

And he will see precedent. Or as Cheney saw, he will see how not to get caught next time. Prosecute, Mr. President. Even if you get not one conviction, you will still have accomplished good for generations unborn. Merely by acting, you will deny a further wrong -- that this construction will enter the history books: Torture was legal. It worked. It saved the country.

The end. This must not be. "It is our intention," you said today, "to assure those who carried out their duties relying in good faith upon legal advice from the Department of Justice that they will not be subject to prosecution." Mr. President, you are making history's easiest, most often made, most dangerous mistake -- you are accepting the defense that somebody was "just following orders." At the end of his first year in office, Mr. Lincoln tried to contextualize the Civil War for those who still wanted to compromise with evils of secession and slavery. "The struggle of today," Lincoln wrote, "is not altogether for today. It is for a vast future also."

Mr. President, you have now been handed the beginning of that future. Use it to protect our children and our distant descendants from anything like this ever happening again -- by showing them that those who did this, were neither unfairly scapegoated nor absolved. It is good to say "we won't do it again." It is not, however...enough.

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In his special comment tonight, Keith Olbermann takes on the release of the torture memos, praising President Obama for daring to release "the dirty laundry" but criticizing him for not laying blame. ...
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- kburlz I'm a Fan of kburlz 23 fans permalink

In a perfect world, everybody involved in torture should be prosecuted, but if Obama goes on a full-fledged head-hunt, it would be a huge distraction from his agenda. Which do we want, prosecuting all these people or passing health care? He has left the doors open to prosecute the order-givers, so I'll take a wait-and-see stance for now. Keith gets cred for not pulling punches on Obama though.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:35 PM on 04/17/2009
- JonShank I'm a Fan of JonShank 46 fans permalink
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I want prosecution for all who ordered the torture...

We ain't EVER gettin' health care.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:48 PM on 04/17/2009
- piquet I'm a Fan of piquet 14 fans permalink
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As do I!....This is one of the BIGGEST reasons I got bloody for Obama. And now he and his moncheechee AG are going to weak out and alienate some serious ballers. The kind that leave scars. Not important?....call 'pacifist' the next time redneck push up on you.

..And you're right. when we have 30% of our country willing to protest their own tax breaks and are stupid enough to follow against their own interests. Health Care WILL NEVER HAPPEN. These people care more about all you can eat buffet's and gluttonous vehicles to make up for the yellow spine.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:38 PM on 04/17/2009
- Tom Payned I'm a Fan of Tom Payned 95 fans permalink
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Obama multi tasks, even said so in a few interviews.

While I'd love health care, are you claiming ethics and morality are not to be practiced only when convenient?

Bush never disappointed me, only disgusted me. I always expected the worst, and he never failed to deliver.

Obama, who is suppose to be a constitutional professor, has gone to court to uphold Bush polices, including wire tapping, by saying one can only sue to get the information if they can first show they were damaged by it.

Obama has proved to be a big disappointment and as someone who knows better, makes it more disgusting.

I left the Dem party when Clinton sold out in 94 limiting welfare per the Rethugs demand.

I've just left the party again, as torture, physical injuring is worse.

My time, energy and meager resources will be given to Amnesty International. I will not be showing up to vote for the 2010 and 2012 election. If enough of us don't show up in 2010, and the Rethugs gain a few house seats, no harm. But if we let our votes send the message that we didn't support Dems because of Obama's decision on torture, maybe he'll realize that his "looking forward" i.e. the 2012 election, is backfiring. Since he's already proved that he's really no different than other politicians, more concerned about his reelection, maybe he'll do the right thing.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:01 PM on 04/17/2009
- MaryanneAZ I'm a Fan of MaryanneAZ 136 fans permalink
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You're absolutely spot on. With a mere 3 months in office, we certainly expect a lot. We have serious problems in this Nation, and it is going to take serious effort to solve them. We know that reviews and investigations are ongoing outside of the Executive branch. We have three co-equal branches of government, and they all have their own jurisdictions. It is up to the Judicial branch to investigate, charge, prosecute and convict law breakers, not the Executive branch. We should be writing to Holder and expressing our views on the timing of any proceedings in this area. I do believe healthcare, energy and education are far more pressing issues than needed prosecutions of w.ar criminals. President Obama has a voter ratified agenda and it does not include prosecuting w.ar criminals. Did anyone ever hear President Obama say that it was his promise to do so? I think not. I also believe it is all a matter of timing, and the time is not yet right. Patience.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:33 PM on 04/17/2009
- MAragon I'm a Fan of MAragon 24 fans permalink
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This is why I try to watch Olbermann every night.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:31 PM on 04/17/2009
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Alot of people on here is missing the ball. People in our military are punished for not following orders. I do not think you brang charges on these people that where givin orders to do something. I do think you should go after the big wigs who gave the orders. You got to take out a respected figure to send a strong message, like DICK C, not some nobody.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:29 PM on 04/17/2009
- JonShank I'm a Fan of JonShank 46 fans permalink
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Why does Keith hate Obama so much?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:27 PM on 04/17/2009
- katedog I'm a Fan of katedog 10 fans permalink
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It's not that, he just called something he didn't like.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:46 PM on 04/17/2009
- JonShank I'm a Fan of JonShank 46 fans permalink
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LOVE your picture!!!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:34 PM on 04/17/2009
- DGarr I'm a Fan of DGarr 14 fans permalink
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If you watched his show you would know he doesn't.
He is a real journalist who covers the facts. I support Obama completely and trust his judgment.
To others, that doesn't mean that this was his best decision. Olbermann brought up some real concerns.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:49 PM on 04/17/2009
- JonShank I'm a Fan of JonShank 46 fans permalink
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I was being facetious. I like Keith. Sometimes he goes a bit overboard, but all-in-all, I do like him.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:36 PM on 04/17/2009
- gladys46 I'm a Fan of gladys46 243 fans permalink

Keith has great respect for President Obama !

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:10 PM on 04/17/2009
- JonShank I'm a Fan of JonShank 46 fans permalink
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Just being facetious. :)

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:37 PM on 04/17/2009
- dylansfan I'm a Fan of dylansfan 42 fans permalink
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He loved Obama (i think still does) up to now and only about this issue.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:18 PM on 04/17/2009
- Ohsherri I'm a Fan of Ohsherri 110 fans permalink
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Why are you so afraid of the "actual topic"?

You're "false concern" over Keith is not fooling anyone.

What are you afraid of?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:39 PM on 04/17/2009
- bigben1986 I'm a Fan of bigben1986 11 fans permalink
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The order came from the very top. I'd say prosecute the top tier of the admin. that'l teach them lesson.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:11 PM on 04/17/2009
- gladys46 I'm a Fan of gladys46 243 fans permalink

So, Bush, Inc. and now saying that the unredacted release of these documens are appalling and a threat to the national security !

Here we go ... it's what repubs do best ... forked tongues, twisting logic !!!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:06 PM on 04/17/2009
- DWX I'm a Fan of DWX permalink

It has become very evident that the "Promise of Change" during the presidential campaign was only a cheap rhetoric. Mr. Prez, you have sure fooled us for there is no difference between you and Mr. Bush.

I am especially appalled for your stance on:

- the Red Cross said the prisoners (Bagram, Afghanistan) were kept from its inspectors and sometimes subjected to cruel treatment in violation of the Geneva Conventions (-NYTimes). In addition, prisoners from outside Afghanistan were sent to Bagram as a collection point, effectively replacing Guantanamo.

- refuses to endorse U.N. conference on racism, because of objection from Israel

- ordering unnecessary execution of the pirate (kids),knowing that either ransom could be paid without endangering the victim’s life or negotiate the release of the victim by agreeing not to pursue any legal enforcement response, given the fact that the any ransom paid could be viewed as compensation to Somalia for the years of exploitation and destruction of their habitat.

- increase military activities in Afghanistan for a longer duration and more troops, as opposed to your campaign promise.

- refuses to fully acknowledge by prosecuting or even providing a full account (public disclosure) of the Gitmo Torture Doctrine.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:05 PM on 04/17/2009
- kathy001 I'm a Fan of kathy001 85 fans permalink

You make a couple of good points and then you completely lose credibility by repeating lies. Obama did not promise to withdraw from Afghanistan. In fact, he promised just the opposite. He promised to take the war to the appropriate place - Afghanistan - to flush out Bin Laden and those actually responsible for crimes of terrorism.

And repeating Limbaugh-lines about the pirates is just pathetic. Truly, truly pathetic.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:22 PM on 04/17/2009
- DWX I'm a Fan of DWX permalink

You’re right. I meant to say “increase military activities in Iraq for a longer duration and more troops in Afghanistan”

As far as Somali pirate issue is concerned, I don’t really know what Rush has said nor do I really care about Mr. Limbaugh’s ranting but for a person who preaches tolerance and just society, Obama sure knows how to terminate one’s life so quickly, purely on political gains when no one really needed to die.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:40 PM on 04/17/2009
- rjhemh I'm a Fan of rjhemh 2 fans permalink

You people just don't get it. The CIA operates outside the law. It always has and it always will.
Get use to it.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:22 PM on 04/17/2009
- research I'm a Fan of research 297 fans permalink

Watch it twice.

Keith Nailed it.

Every human being on the planet is obligated

to refuse orders to torture.

No excuses.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:05 PM on 04/17/2009
- gladys46 I'm a Fan of gladys46 243 fans permalink

You condemn our entire military ... since that Iraqi so-called war was contrived and thus illegal !

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:08 PM on 04/17/2009
- gladys46 I'm a Fan of gladys46 243 fans permalink

Maybe you don't think it's tor ture to have 3 gazillion ton bo mbs dropped on you !

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:10 PM on 04/17/2009
- research I'm a Fan of research 297 fans permalink

I condemn the Iraq War Crime.

I wish the all the soldiers had refused to go to war in Iraq.

But, it's hard to condemn soldiers serving our country, believing the lies told them by BushCo.

Torture, on the other hand, is a personal act that every human must reject.

No excuses.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:20 PM on 04/17/2009
- dylansfan I'm a Fan of dylansfan 42 fans permalink
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Keith is the best. He didn't hesitate to criticize Obama even though he obviously is a democrat and a big supporter of BO.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:24 PM on 04/17/2009
- moonbay I'm a Fan of moonbay 5 fans permalink

Thank you Keith, thank you research. Complete agreement (and I too am an Obama supporter).

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:37 PM on 04/17/2009

You know, i could always use some extra money. Who am i kidding, there is no "extra" money around my house, but you get the idea. I wonder if i go on some kind of crime spree, be it of the blue or white collar variety, if i can use this defense if/when i get caught, "nothing will be gained by spending our time and energy laying blame for the past, um, er, your honor."

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:03 PM on 04/17/2009
- Hatsone I'm a Fan of Hatsone 3 fans permalink

George W. Bush will be seen as a failed President as far as history is concerned. President Obama is doing the right thing. Prosecuting individuals, who were ordered by our government to torture prisoners, would be totally unfair.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:01 PM on 04/17/2009

Germans that ran the concentration camps were tried and found gulity. There shouldn't be a line drawn in the sand on who is guilty. Certainly those who sliced genitals, and conducted heinous acts are not innocent. Certainly the medical doctors and psychiatrist that oversaw torture are not innocent.

Our founding father's knew not to give the Government too much power. Giving people a blanket check of immunity to follow whatever the President or some public servant wants gives the Government to much power.

Those telecom companies that illegally spied on all Americans, at the Government's request also need to be tried.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:18 PM on 04/17/2009
- dylansfan I'm a Fan of dylansfan 42 fans permalink
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How about he prosecutes though who gave the orders??????
you can't say that something is a crime and not prosecute theperpetrators.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:25 PM on 04/17/2009
- kathy001 I'm a Fan of kathy001 85 fans permalink

I sort of agree. I agree that it would have been incredibly difficult to refuse to carry out the orders of their superior officers. It would have meant serious disciplinary action and it would have meant sacrificng almost everything to stand up for a principle. In addition, the people who carried out the torture were, I'm sure, fill with all sorts of false or misleading information regarding their prisoners. It would also mean that those people were betrayed by their superiors and by the very President of the United States.

But I can't get the picture of millions of Jews being sent to concentration camps, starved, tortured, experimented on, shoved into gas chambers, lined up in front of trenches and shot. And the soldiers who did that were all "just following orders." (I've said that many times on this site and had every comment like that deleted. I wonder if, now that Olberman has said it, this one will clear?) And this country has cooperated in the prosecution of every one of those Nazi soldiers that could be found. I simply do not see the difference.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:33 PM on 04/17/2009
- podios I'm a Fan of podios 5 fans permalink

Torturing another person can only be done by someone who enjoys doing it. These torturers are handpicked with the full knowledge that they will very willingly carry out their orders. So please spare me the argument that "these poor guys were just doing what they were ordered to do". I'm sure they slept very well that night.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:24 PM on 04/17/2009
- OKSunny I'm a Fan of OKSunny 15 fans permalink

for once keith-I disagree with ya.
The CIA agents were doing what they were told-they thought they were acting legally.
It is the people who wrote the laws that allwed this and the people who gave the orders to do it who should be punished

If a Dr. told his nurse to give a patient a drug that she disagreed with, but the Dr. told her 'no, no, it's OK, and she gave it to the patient and it killed the patient who is responsible? The Dr.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:58 PM on 04/17/2009

That would make her an accessory. She disagreed, and therefore should have and could have refused the order. If these agents were not intelligent enough to realize they were engaging in inhumane behavior, they shouldn't be agents.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:16 PM on 04/17/2009
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Please, you no how this work. Thats just like saying the navy snipers who shot and killed the pirates to save the captain should not have done it. You do not want military fealing like they should not follow orders. You want the one giving them to follow law, so you focus on them..

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:34 PM on 04/17/2009
- dylansfan I'm a Fan of dylansfan 42 fans permalink
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My understanding is that someone has the duty to refuse to carry out orders that he/she knows to be unlawful.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:26 PM on 04/17/2009
- k1k2lee I'm a Fan of k1k2lee 16 fans permalink

Key phrase "knows to be unlawful" Where there are pages and pages of documents explaining in difficult legalese why such acts are entirely lawful, it is not surprising that some of the people lower on the chain could not and would not know the order was "unlawful." That is the problem with the prosecutions and why there needs to be time to examine the issues and facts and approach it in a careful and thoughtful way and not a reckless, emotional way - which appears to be what Keith is advocating. Hmmmm, we had another president who acted in a reckless, emotional way at what many perceived to be clear wrongdoing - and that didn't turn out badly, right? Right?? Hmmmm.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:39 PM on 04/17/2009
- MaryanneAZ I'm a Fan of MaryanneAZ 136 fans permalink
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We do not factor in the Bush43 hyped up rhetoric about our ene.mies in Iraq who are mus.lim and should all d.ie. We still have a rampant ha.te factor in this country. Just ask the Imams who were pulled off their flight for no reason other than their dress and prayers. The whole point behind the memos were to establish their actions as legal. Who is going to stand up to a lawful order with Justice department sanctions especially against those ha.ted mus.lims?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:41 PM on 04/17/2009

President Obama works in mysterious ways.

If he did'nt wont to see Bush investigated why release the documents?, because in one way or another thats exactly whats going to happen.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:48 PM on 04/17/2009
- gladys46 I'm a Fan of gladys46 243 fans permalink

I don't know how this release could be "mysterious" !! After all President Obama could have redacted much of this horror ... to the contrary, he put it out there basically intact ! The President just may not have a problem with any other nation's prosecution ... we just don't know what this window of opportunity will reap yet !!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:58 PM on 04/17/2009
- kimleehan I'm a Fan of kimleehan 32 fans permalink

You got it, he's baiting other nations to prosecute, hoping they'll take the bait. the documents are the bait.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:11 PM on 04/17/2009
- MaryanneAZ I'm a Fan of MaryanneAZ 136 fans permalink
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We also have to consider how outrageously expensive such prosecutions will be. The Congress spent millions going after Clin.ton and to what end? In this economy, we cannot afford an exorbitant legal proceeding. We have time down the road to do the right thing, but we need to be patient.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:43 PM on 04/17/2009
- jOke I'm a Fan of jOke 2 fans permalink

...eeeeexxxaaactly. *thumbs up

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:16 PM on 04/17/2009

For once Obama is smart. If they proceed with this liberal fixation with GW Bush, the Republicans will immediately proceed with hearings on Fannie Mae and what caused the housing market to implode and that will result in Barney Frank, Chuck Schumer, Chris Dodd and Maxine Waters in handcuffs.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:44 PM on 04/17/2009
- rshrink I'm a Fan of rshrink 58 fans permalink

I don't hardly even begin to think that you have a point. This is total nonsense. We are talking about torture here, which is very clear. What caused the housing mortgage problem is multi-faceted and complex, but has much more to do with deregulation than Fannie Mae, etc. The entire way of doing business was altered in ways which many experts had warned about. (Even normal credit rules were done away with.) Bush was not one to listen to experts. Only Cheney and his delusion of God spoke in a way that he listened to. Sorry, your point is bogus to the core.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:54 PM on 04/17/2009
- kimleehan I'm a Fan of kimleehan 32 fans permalink

The republican party is a joke, they can't do anything but obstruct.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:25 PM on 04/17/2009
- dylansfan I'm a Fan of dylansfan 42 fans permalink
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I don't think Republicans can call any hearings. They are in the minority.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:30 PM on 04/17/2009
- MaryanneAZ I'm a Fan of MaryanneAZ 136 fans permalink
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What nonsense!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:44 PM on 04/17/2009
- jhw22 I'm a Fan of jhw22 27 fans permalink

We need to get our economy stabilized before we invite this HUGE distraction to the floor. If Obama pushed this issue now, it's all anyone would focus on. And really, I'd rather go after Bush and Cheney when we have a solid case, than go after the people who did what the momos told them to do. Let's revisit this again in a year or two. Give a special prosecutor time to make a case before we start ignoring the other problems Bush created.

Jennifer

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:28 PM on 04/17/2009
- Disciple1 I'm a Fan of Disciple1 10 fans permalink

Although I routinely listen to Olbermann, I wish he had taken a deep breath and mulled this one over a little more before he went before his viewing audience. Let's be honest--he's his own biggest fan and didn't even bother to vote last November--that alone negatively colors the credibility of his political commentary. I am a 20 year military veteran and even I equate what the CIA and the Bush Administration did in this matter to be tantamount to the events that ignited the Nuremberg Trials. That said, Olbermann would have served himself AND the country much better by suggesting to Obama a simple avenue of redress: support Senator Leahy's proposal to convene a fact-finding body to uncover ANY actual legal statutes that were breached by the CIA and others. Doing it this way might actually provide cover for the president to focus on the BIG problems (economy, health care, etc.) while Leahy's people do THEIR thing. This would mitigate the effects of Obama being distracted from his high priority agenda.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:26 PM on 04/17/2009

I agree and would like to remind people that candidate Obama often said that he would not always do things we like but that he would also be honest with us. The man is way smarter than me (and Keith, although Keith is plenty smart) and I have come to trust his judgement even though I, at times, disagree with his decisions. I am guessing that there is more to this story than we know YET.
Also, remember how all the underlings were punished for the atrosities in the Bagdad prisons and the people that gave the orders went without sanction? Do we want that situation again?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:55 PM on 04/17/2009
- dylansfan I'm a Fan of dylansfan 42 fans permalink
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Yeah, but this thing is pretty big don't you think. I would be OK with him making decisions I don't agree with on a slew of other issues but torture??? Never.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:39 PM on 04/17/2009
- trucap I'm a Fan of trucap 3 fans permalink

Olbermann is Right ,and Obama is Wrong in this case . I love them both . That said , I don't see why Leahy needs the approval of the president to initiate his facts finding, he can just go ahead and start doing what he is paid for.as a chairman of the committee he doesn't even need the approval of his majority leader . yes , he can do it on his own. and please lets stop making execuses for not doing the right things.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:12 PM on 04/17/2009
- dylansfan I'm a Fan of dylansfan 42 fans permalink
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I agree. Leahy should proceed.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:31 PM on 04/17/2009
- MaryanneAZ I'm a Fan of MaryanneAZ 136 fans permalink
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Thanks for your thoughtful post. We Dems do seem to go out of way to eat our own. We have become so Bushed (to borrow an Olbermann phrase) that WE have actually come to believe that the Executive branch has power that it does not have. It is up to the Judicial and Legislative branches to review, study, hold hearings, etc. on this subject, and then proceed to any legal actions determined to be viable. We are sounding off as though this were a fait accompli. The fact is we've only just begun, and we do not know when or who will be prosecuted in the future.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:50 PM on 04/17/2009
- HazerX I'm a Fan of HazerX 11 fans permalink

I pay taxes in this country. Just like you. If I choose not to vote, that doesn't mean JACK.

I'm still American. If you dont like me not voting, mind your business. ;)

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:41 PM on 04/17/2009
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