No Torture Probe Of Bush Admin Officials: Spanish AG

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PAUL HAVEN | April 16, 2009 10:39 AM EST | AP

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Spain's attorney general Condido Conde-Pumpido speaks during a breakfast meeting in Madrid Thursday April 15, 2009. Conde-Pumpido said meeting with journalists Thursday that prosecutors will recommend against opening an investigation into whether six former Bush administration officials sanctioned torture against terror inmates at Guantanamo Bay.(AP Photo/EFE, Chema Moya)

MADRID — Spain's attorney general has rejected opening an investigation into whether six Bush administration officials sanctioned torture against terror suspects at Guantanamo Bay, saying Thursday a U.S. courtroom would be the proper forum.

Candido Conde-Pumpido's remarks severely dampen the chance of a case moving forward against the Americans, including former U.S. Attorney General Alberto Gonzales. Conde-Pumpido said such a trial would have turned Spain's National Court "into a plaything" to be used for political ends.

"If there is a reason to file a complaint against these people, it should be done before local courts with jurisdiction, in other words in the United States," he said in a breakfast meeting with journalists.

Spanish law gives its courts jurisdiction beyond national borders in cases of torture, war crimes and other heinous offenses, based on a doctrine known as universal justice, but the government has made clear it wants to rein in the process.

Last month, a group of human rights lawyers asked Judge Baltasar Garzon, famous for indicting ex-Chilean ruler Augusto Pinochet in 1998, to consider filing charges against the six Americans. Under Spanish law, the judge then asked prosecutors for a recommendation on whether to open a full-blown probe.

National Court prosecutors have not formally announced their decision, but Conde-Pumpido is the country's top law-enforcement official and has the ultimate say. While an investigative judge like Garzon is not bound by the prosecutors' recommendation, it would be highly unusual for a case to proceed without their support.

A senior court official told The Associated Press that a formal announcement would come Friday. He said prosecutors would stop short of an outright call for dismissal of the case, but would raise a series of legal objections that would make it impossible for it to proceed in its current form.

He spoke on condition of anonymity because he was not authorized to talk to the media.

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Coming less than three months after the Bush administration left office, the case was the first of several international efforts to indict former administration officials. Human rights groups have also tried to bring suit against Bush officials in a German court.

In addition to Gonzales, the complaint named ex-Undersecretary of Defense Douglas Feith; former Vice President Dick Cheney's chief of staff, David Addington; Justice Department officials John Yoo and Jay S. Bybee; and Pentagon lawyer William Haynes.

It alleged that the men _ who have become known as "The Bush Six" _ cleared the path for torture by claiming in advice and legal opinions that the president could ignore the Geneva Conventions, and by adopting an overly narrow definition of which interrogation techniques constituted torture.

But Conde-Pumpido rejected that argument, saying the case had no merit because the men did not themselves commit the alleged abuses.

"If one is dealing with a crime of mistreatment of prisoners of war, the complaint should go against those who physically carried it out," Conde-Pumpido said.

Gonzalo Boye, one of the human rights lawyers who brought the case in Spain, said the decision by Conde-Pumpido was politically motivated and set a terrible course for Spanish justice.

"The attorney general speaks of the court being turned into a plaything. Well, I don't think the attorney general's office should be turned into a plaything for politicians," Boye told AP. "It is a terrible precedent if those intellectually responsible for crimes can no longer be held accountable."

The court official told AP that in addition to raising legal doubts, prosecutors will say that Garzon should be replaced by another judge who is already investigating whether secret CIA flights to or from Guantanamo entered Spanish airspace or landed at Spanish airports.

Such a move would make it difficult for Garzon to try to keep the case alive despite prosecutors' objections, as he did in the Pinochet case.

Observers say the removal of Garzon would be another serious blow for the hopes of human rights lawyers, who saw him as being sympathetic to their cause.

Most of the American officials named in the case have remained silent since the allegations first surfaced in March. Feith, however, has called Spain's claim of jurisdiction "a national insult with harmful implications."

Former President George W. Bush has steadfastly denied the U.S. tortured anyone. The U.S. has acknowledged that Khalid Sheikh Mohammed, the self-described plotter of the Sept. 11 attacks, and a few other prisoners were waterboarded at secret CIA prisons before being taken to Guantanamo. But the Bush administration insisted that all interrogations were lawful.

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Associated Press writer Jorge Sainz contributed to this report.

Filed by Nick Sabloff

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"If there is a reason to file a complaint against these people, it should be done before local courts with jurisdiction, in other words in the United States," he said in a breakfast meeting with journalists.

IF !

The reason to file the complaint against those people is because the United States prosecutors aren't doing it.

As one sees prosecutors and office holders constantly giving NON reasons and verbal blowoffs for failing to uphold the law when it is exactly the politically immunity of the politically powerful that is needed to be called to account, one has to wonder when does it become permissible morally for the ordinary people to take their own defense into their own hands.

Yes the United States should do its duty and prosecute. But in the failure of the United States to do its duty doesn't it THEN become the responsibility of others to uphold their duty?

For how long does this circus of buck passing go on?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:08 PM on 04/16/2009
- Okieborn I'm a Fan of Okieborn 61 fans permalink

Well I was Hoping That Spain Had The NerveTo Step Out And Do The Right Thing !!!
President Obama To Me Is A Great Disappointment !!!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:48 PM on 04/16/2009
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Somebody in Spain shows some common sense!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:37 PM on 04/16/2009

Conde- Pumpido is opening a can of worms. If you accept the argument that only those who carry the dirty deeds should be punished, following that logic the Nuremberg and Tokyo Trials should never have taken place.

Following this logic, were Osama bin Laded to be captured, he could be prosecuted since he did not personally and physically carry out the murder of Al Qaeda's victims.

Regardless of the merits the case against the Bush Six may or may not have, Cond-Pumpido has an axe to grind vis a vis Spanish politics. Spain is in the midst of discussions of giving greater discretionary powers to the AG.

For the Obama Admin, this is probably a nightmare. On the one hand, it has vowed to cooperate with world and to observe international law. But on the other, given the current U.S. political climate, if the Obama Admin. does not fight to stop this, conservative forces will talk about U.S. capitulation to foreign interests and will try to derail any Obama initiative that needs congressional approval.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:35 PM on 04/16/2009
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Hopefully the latest memos defining Bush and co as Flagrant Liars regarding torture as well as the act of writing "secret" legal opininons declaring that the President is King and has the right to do whatever, to whomever, however and without oversight.....

Yes, Special Prosecutors are needed, and the investigation should be broad spectrum with prosecutions for the top tiers.

I also think that those CIA folks that carried this out need counseling and should be taken out of active duty.. their judgement is flawed....

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:49 PM on 04/16/2009
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...following that logic the Nuremberg and Tokyo Trials should never have taken place..
That's what I'm seeing. It's a farce if we don't pursue the law and justice.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:15 AM on 04/18/2009

I'm not impressed with our new AG yet. Will justice be served to anybody? Can we hold somebody accountable for anything? All we've heard is what won't be done.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:51 PM on 04/16/2009

Looks like someone got a phone call.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:25 PM on 04/16/2009

Well, I'm disappointed.  There goes my hope of trials in absentia for these Bush rats, followed by guilty verdicts.  I was looking forward to Spanish commandos sneaking through the suburbs of Virginia, grabbing Karl Rove, John Yoo and Douglas Feith, stuffing them into a bags and spiriting them off, Mossad style, to some basement in Seville for a little medieval interrogation and justice on the rack.  

Maybe the Italians will come through for us.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:20 PM on 04/16/2009
- ham4114 I'm a Fan of ham4114 3 fans permalink

Maybe they can go after China and Cuba too along with our country. That would be great.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:47 PM on 04/16/2009
- lobear00 I'm a Fan of lobear00 25 fans permalink

The only thing left to do is the next election put a Native American in the office. They know fully well what its like to live under "Despots, include a full Native American Congress.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:58 PM on 04/16/2009

If this case doesn’t continue in Spain, another country, or if it doesn’t come to trial in the US, I will imply that the US and any participatory government is complicit in the whole exercise of torture. POTUS, I give you the benefit of the doubt. I am a supporter, but my support wanes on issues such as inhumane treatment, torture, renditions, lies, denial and complicit in that which is wrong. I do hope for this country, that we get it right, because doing a few good things does not negate all of the bad things that exist. The bad things need to be extinguished and eliminated and those responsible should be held accountable for these deeds. We clamor that our children need to take responsibility for their actions, but then take a good look at their role models.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:52 PM on 04/16/2009

Very dissapoint­ing...Obam­a can pack it up after his first term expires as far as I'm concerned.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:53 PM on 04/16/2009
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Don't fall into the "one issue" trap.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:36 PM on 04/16/2009
- redhead61 I'm a Fan of redhead61 63 fans permalink
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Sorry but there has been quite a few disappointments not just this one. I voted for him too, and genuinely like him..but these decisions of not holding those accountable to Justice are unforgivable. The issues of the Patriot Act and wiretapping Americans without just cause, the non releasing of information from the Bush era to give 'accountability and transparency'.
Frankly even the banking bailout when clearly these banks are making 'profits' on our tax dollars.
I myself am feeling pretty angry about the Justice Dept not stepping up to the bat, they are an independent branch to hold the Bush torture creationists accountable..and are 'letting it go'.
WE NEED JUSTICE to go forward...or the anger of no justice holds us BACK.
Change does NOT mean ignoring unconstitutional behavior and moving forward.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:00 PM on 04/16/2009
- Garrett123 I'm a Fan of Garrett123 8 fans permalink

Changes are being made. What has been destroyed over 8 years cannot be restored within 80 days. Obama is re-opening the doors of justice and this may take a number of months to years to rectify the devastation wrought upon our Nation by the Bush regime.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:34 PM on 04/16/2009
- springsm I'm a Fan of springsm 49 fans permalink

Cowardly of Spain and Obama has to "fix it" before he can MOVE forward...you can LOOK forward all you want..but that is just blowing smoke. Obama you promised...and you are being cowardly too. Sorry to say.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:50 PM on 04/16/2009
- wm1066 I'm a Fan of wm1066 33 fans permalink
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This is going to come back to haunt Obama, the" looking forward" line will be mockingly used by all sorts of people.
If he thinks this will help him he should look at Pelosi's poll numbers, her failing to impeach bush, or even look into his actions has earned her the eternal hatred of alot of Democrats.
America needs justice, had Cheney been held to account for his actions during the Nixon era we would have been spaired his vice presidency. Obama is wrong on this.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:32 PM on 04/16/2009
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well said.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:52 PM on 04/16/2009
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I wonder what the US used as pressure to get Spain to drop this? Must have been something good.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:21 PM on 04/16/2009
- washlib I'm a Fan of washlib 30 fans permalink
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US probably indicated they'd provide covert support of Basque separatists...

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:57 PM on 04/16/2009
- -0013 I'm a Fan of -0013 10 fans permalink

Probably a phone call explaining the US Constitution trumps Spains supreme court and whatever nonsense they came up with would amount to nothing on our end.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:18 PM on 04/16/2009

Exactly. This is ours to deal with. It is no business of Spain. AS for the Nuremberg reference, Nuremberg was victor's justice. When some nation defeats us and takes us over, they will try our leaders. Spain is in no position to do this, and wisely backed off.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:07 PM on 04/17/2009

Money. Money changes everything.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:09 PM on 04/16/2009

To have peace again, we need the Ron Paul bandwagon to fill up. America needs you. Join the Campaign for Liberty now! The Democrats and Republicans are working for the Bankers and protect their black ops.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:11 PM on 04/16/2009
- springsm I'm a Fan of springsm 49 fans permalink

Do you really know what Ron Paul is about? I didn't think so.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:50 PM on 04/16/2009
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Torture must be prosecuted.

We Must not let this pass.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:09 PM on 04/16/2009
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