Obama's CIA Torture Prosecution Stance Leads To Outcry From Human Rights Groups, Muslim World

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REBECCA SANTANA | 04/17/09 10:33 AM | AP

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CAIRO — Human rights groups and former detainees in U.S. custody expressed disappointment Friday with the decision by President Barack Obama not to prosecute CIA operatives who used interrogation practices described by many as torture.

Obama sought to turn a page on what he called "a dark and painful chapter" with his announcement a day earlier. He condemned the aggressive techniques _ including waterboarding, shackling and stripping _ used on terror suspects while promising not to legally pursue the perpetrators.

But the decision left some bitter in the Muslim world, where there was widespread anger over abuse of detained terror suspects. It could tarnish somewhat Obama's growing popularity among Arabs and Muslims, who have cheered his promises to close the Guantanamo Bay detention facilities and withdraw U.S. troops from Iraq.

"All of us in Guantanamo never had hope or faith in the American government," said Jomaa al-Dosari, a Saudi who spent six years in Guantanamo before being released last year. "We only ask God for our rights and to demand justice for the wrongs we experience in this life. There will be a time in history when every person who committed a wrong will be punished."

The editor of the Saudi Arabia-based Arab News daily, Khaled Almaeena, said the decision not to prosecute "sends the wrong message."

"They destroyed people's lives ... Unfortunately, they're allowed to go scot free," he said of operatives who carried out the techniques.

The Obama administration Thursday released secret CIA memos detailing interrogation tactics sanctioned under the Bush administration. As well as waterboarding, the memos authorized keeping detainees naked, in painful standing positions and in cold cells for long periods of time. Other techniques included depriving them of solid food and slapping them. Sleep deprivation, prolonged shackling and threats to a detainee's family also were used.

Obama's attorney general offered CIA operatives legal help if anyone else takes them to court, although the administration's offer of help did not extend to those outside the CIA who approved the so-called enhanced interrogation methods or any CIA officers who may have gone beyond what was allowed.

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Many human rights groups condemned the decision, saying that it was necessary to have a full accounting of what took place.

"The release of CIA memos on interrogation methods by the U.S. Department of Justice appears to have offered a get-out-of-jail-free card to people involved in torture," Amnesty International said in a statement on its Web site. "Torture is never acceptable and those who conduct it should not escape justice."

In Egypt, Hafez Abu Saada, of the Egyptian Organization for Human Rights in Cairo, said the decision would encourage other nations to let abuses pass.

"Obama told us he will hold to account the people who committed a crime or a human rights violation," he said. "So this is a wrong signal to the perpetrators of human rights _ especially third world countries _ and also a wrong signal to the international community."

Moazzam Begg, a British resident who spent more than two years in Guantanamo, said he wasn't surprised by the tactics revealed, saying "we witnessed" most of the techniques.

"It's the unwritten things _ the things that happened in the heat of the moment on the battlefield like tying people up with chains and dragging them around _ that are worrying and will likely never come out," he said.

The International Commission of Jurists, a widely respected Geneva-based organization of legal experts from around the world, issued a scathing statement saying Obama should thoroughly investigate and prosecute officials who authorized and engaged in torture.

"Without holding to account the authors of a policy of torture and those executing it, there cannot be a return to the rule of law," said Wilder Tayler, acting secretary-general of the ICJ.

Clara Gutteridge, a researcher with British human rights group Reprieve, which represents several Guantanamo inmates, said she was struck by the amount of time and effort apparently poured into drawing up the memos and justifying the use of what she called torture.

"It shows us the man hours that have gone into this program, and making people believe that they are following the law," Gutteridge said.

In Islamabad, Pakistan, Saad Iqbal Madni, released from Guantanamo Bay last summer after seven years in detention, said sleep deprivation techniques were used on him. For months, he said, he was moved from cell to cell every two hours while shackled in an attempt to keep him awake.

"I believe that God will take care of anyone who did a wrong thing to me," said Madni.

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Associated Press writers Hadeel al-Shalchi in Cairo; Paisley Dodds and Raphael G. Satter in London; and Shafika Mattar in Amman, Jordan contributed to this report.

CAIRO — Human rights groups and former detainees in U.S. custody expressed disappointment Friday with the decision by President Barack Obama not to prosecute CIA operatives who used interrogatio...
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- petera63 I'm a Fan of petera63 14 fans permalink
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I'm disgusted with the barbarity of the radical Islam: beheadings, public executions, stoning, family rape laws, etc. Does anybody really think that the Islamic world cares a $$it what i'm disgusted with?

Waterboarding? Ask Daniel Pearl.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:57 AM on 04/19/2009
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You don't know who was behind Daniel Pearl. Anybody who finds out that Bin is not alive like Bhutto and Pakistani newscasters are taken out.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UnychOXj9Tg

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:23 AM on 04/19/2009
- petera63 I'm a Fan of petera63 14 fans permalink
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Oh, I know exactly who was behind Daniel Pearl: it was the man who beheaded him, Khalid Sheikh Mohammed. The same guy that has been waterboarded I don't know how many times. Just compare the crimes committed and the "treatment" that followed.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:10 PM on 04/19/2009

A Saudi Arabian paper complaining about torture! This is funny! This is the same country where they punished a woman because she got gang raped. The same country where they forced a couple who had children to divorce because the parents wanted it. The country where they still flog people for crimes (maybe even cut off their hands).

The only countries that have a right to criticize the US are some (not all) european ones which do not torture. All other countries practice torture of one sort or another (including France and Russia, all the middle east and all of Asia, not speak of Africa).

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:48 AM on 04/19/2009
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'The Company' may have threatened Obama

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:11 PM on 04/18/2009
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welcome we also are up set

we the American people those of us who are against torture

seek justice for the innocent in this very unjust world

we as Americans live in a illusions that our country just does not do bad things to innocent people

aah ! lady Justice I am patiently waiting for your arrival but you must hurry for the crime scene is getting colder buy the day

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:42 AM on 04/18/2009
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hey stargazer do you smoke in the shower?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:24 PM on 04/22/2009
- nobozos I'm a Fan of nobozos 13 fans permalink

I'm unhappy about Obama's decision, also. But by the same token, the Muslim world needs to do some house cleaning of their own, and they can damn well start with the Taliban.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:40 AM on 04/18/2009
- calfacon I'm a Fan of calfacon 12 fans permalink

The US has surrendered its right to condemn any one for torture and other outrages against humanity. We have done too much of it ourselves ands apparently decided we're not going to investigate, prosecute or punish. What a sorry state of affairs when the US of A becomes a rogue nation.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:23 AM on 04/19/2009
- harriscrl3 I'm a Fan of harriscrl3 191 fans permalink

Of course they are not happy nobody is happy and rightly so but I will say it again How is it safe to hold an investigation in the middle of a war. We dont know how deep this goes will he have to wipe out half of the CIA by holding investigation. Isnt that going to distract them in the middle of a WAR. Progressives and people on the left can say anything they want but if anything happens who do you think is going to get blame ilt will be PRESIDENT OBAMA. Not fate, not circumstance beyond our control HE WILL. That means he has to weigh the risk. Have there ever been an investiagion done while the war is still going on.

CArol

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:44 AM on 04/18/2009
- frantaylor I'm a Fan of frantaylor 22 fans permalink

It's very difficult to undo your predecessor's work. You have to understand all of the ramifications. If you act rashly, you can cause a world of hurt despite your best intentions.

Obama is very forthright and forward about some things and very reserved and conservative about others.

There is a lot more to this than any of us know. This is clearly an area where we are going to see more activity and changes in the future.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:59 AM on 04/18/2009
- Coinyer101 I'm a Fan of Coinyer101 631 fans permalink
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i agree with the muslims on this one. sorry, fellow hillbillies, but, right is right. if we can throw stoners in jail ,and then laugh about it, then, i think it is in the interests of Justice to bring all of the tortu rers to be held accountable. it aint like they didn't know tor ture was illegal. they all knew it, and they could have resigned. Equal Justice under the law means little to people these days. are we ill?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:41 AM on 04/18/2009
- imsosure I'm a Fan of imsosure 26 fans permalink
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The Muslim world will just have to get over it. Their extremist especially who make efforts to promote their agenda by blowing up innocent people and strapping bombs to the brain-washed youth in their clan and coercing them to be suicide bombers.. I would lay low if I were them.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:22 AM on 04/18/2009

Exactly. Who are they to lecture us about morality when they can't even follow the precepts of their own religion? [I hate it when that happens!] Even people who were tortured feel they have the right to speak out! Where will it end? We, who invade, occupy and destroy nations without provocation and indiscriminately arrest and torture their citizens, will issue all the moral commentary, thank you. Incidentally, the House and Senate are full voices crying foul over this, as well as a lot of angry Americans. It was an opportunity for you to vent, though, and that's why the HP is here for you; feeling better now?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:09 AM on 04/18/2009
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In my opinion, you completely miss the point. The last thing the detainee said was that it was up to God to deal with the people who may have mistreated him. Bringing people to justice is what keeps future perpetrators of these crimes from continuing these practices. Every time in history when the so-called first world and all of their values demonstrates complete hypocrisy, it increases the suffering all over the world. Any leader of people knows the importance of leading by example. It is very unfortunate that there are many that are unable to understand that if a tree falls in a forest and there is no one to hear it, it does make a noise. If a man is broken in Guantanamo, it does make a deafening noise that does not seem to stop. Our founding fathers from the very beginning knew about higher values. In recent history, we have been fed by corporate media that the values of America is the possession of things and not our constitution, not our nation, not our neighbors, not for responsibility, not for the rule of law, not even for common sense. The point of habeus corpus has been thought out be greater minds than ours. Why is it all of a sudden okay for us to do it? And, you know if we don't get these guys, we'll never be viewed with respect again and we'll never be able to get the banksters.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:46 PM on 04/18/2009
- calfacon I'm a Fan of calfacon 12 fans permalink

Thank you. Well put

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:24 AM on 04/19/2009
- TJCole I'm a Fan of TJCole 154 fans permalink
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Don't they understand this President may be as afraid of The CIA, as they are...?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:25 PM on 04/17/2009
- Coinyer101 I'm a Fan of Coinyer101 631 fans permalink
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that's why the cia folks who participated should all be fired. instead, guys like john brennan are being appointed to positions that dont require confirmation. this country's intelligence and Enforcement enttities, need to be completely overhauled, imo.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:48 AM on 04/18/2009
- AdamX I'm a Fan of AdamX 12 fans permalink

The CIA is a bottom-up organization. Firing won't help.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:39 AM on 04/18/2009
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I have wondered that my self

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:54 AM on 04/18/2009
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I think you're right, and yes he may not be trying to make waves, but if he does nothing to bring people to justice, I will do my best to make sure that he is never considered one of our great presidents.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:50 PM on 04/18/2009
- SoccerNana I'm a Fan of SoccerNana 21 fans permalink
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A lot of time is required to actually pursue this; President Obama has a lot of things on his plate; getting this economy in order is more pertinent than past atrocities.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:23 PM on 04/17/2009
- sol313 I'm a Fan of sol313 2 fans permalink

As a wise mad once said to McCain, a president should be able to do more than one thing at once.

Moreover, what exactly is the Justice Department for, exactly, if not to prosecute crimes against the constitution?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:52 AM on 04/18/2009
- NWBrunette I'm a Fan of NWBrunette 55 fans permalink

Exactly right.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:45 AM on 04/18/2009
- NWBrunette I'm a Fan of NWBrunette 55 fans permalink

So if the next batch of atrocities are visited on you, you won't mind if the remedy goes to the bottom of the priority list.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:47 AM on 04/18/2009
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I am so disappointed and saddened by this...just can't find a way to understand why Obama is not acting against the perpetrators of torture. It seems so politically expedient.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:06 PM on 04/17/2009

to many Dems would be caught up in any investigations. It's pure politics over ethics. In other words same old same old.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:19 PM on 04/17/2009
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I don,t care if they have a D or R in front of there names

if their guilty then prosecute !!! now !!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:56 AM on 04/18/2009
- Servility I'm a Fan of Servility 12 fans permalink

It would make for an interesting trial…. So, Agent X, did you or did you not put a caterpillar in the box with the detainee? I remind you, you are under oath.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:55 AM on 04/18/2009
- NWBrunette I'm a Fan of NWBrunette 55 fans permalink

There is no excuse for it. Other than lame ones of course.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:47 AM on 04/18/2009
- mat3 I'm a Fan of mat3 9 fans permalink

I remember a navy diver beaten, shot, and dumped on a tarmac long before this happened. I remember an American in a wheel chair pushed overboard from a cruise ship long before this happened. I could give a rat's ___ what the muslim world thinks of us. They were attacking the US long before President Bush came on board and they will be attacking us long after President Obama is gone.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:05 PM on 04/17/2009

I agrre they have no more right to complain about human rights abuses than the US does.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:20 PM on 04/17/2009
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And vice versa

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:09 AM on 04/18/2009
- sol313 I'm a Fan of sol313 2 fans permalink

Actually, the people most disappointed are precisely the people who wish America would present an example of accountability and the rule of law that their own countries and governments could be held to as well.

It's shocking how many people are so quick to generalize the Muslim world, or any group, like that and dismiss the rule of law because "they did stuff too."

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:50 AM on 04/18/2009
- mat3 I'm a Fan of mat3 9 fans permalink

And how did that work out for us before President Bush? Oh yeah, they tried to blow up the WTC the first time in 93.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:16 AM on 04/18/2009
- Soori I'm a Fan of Soori 9 fans permalink

Well said Sol313. I totally agree.

If we allow those who commit crimes to go un-punished then how can we ever tell other countries to do otherwise. If this is the case we have no business lecturing them on human rights violations, trials conducted behind closed doors or anything else for that matter.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:36 AM on 04/18/2009
- frantaylor I'm a Fan of frantaylor 22 fans permalink

Your attitude leads directly to a "race to the bottom"

How we treat our prisoners reflects on US, not them.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:01 AM on 04/18/2009
- NWBrunette I'm a Fan of NWBrunette 55 fans permalink

And we - or our puppets - were attacking them. If you care to remember a little bit more of history.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:49 AM on 04/18/2009
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the ? should be why do they do this what fuels this hatred of theirs

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:47 AM on 04/18/2009
- nowarpleez I'm a Fan of nowarpleez 28 fans permalink
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Don't worry, it's not over. There is more to come. He did not rule out prosecution of those to authorized these actions. I have a feeling our President has a plan.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:01 PM on 04/17/2009
- SoccerNana I'm a Fan of SoccerNana 21 fans permalink
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He does; it just that getting the economy flowing is the top of his agenda everyday at this point.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:24 PM on 04/17/2009
- NWBrunette I'm a Fan of NWBrunette 55 fans permalink

Then you'll be disappointed. This is just the first step in ignoring bush's actions.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:50 AM on 04/18/2009

Torture can never be right.

Even so, I wonder how much torture goes on in the Muslim world? What is the human rights record like? I suppose we will never know because they tend not to make high profile public statements about it.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:29 PM on 04/17/2009
- sol313 I'm a Fan of sol313 2 fans permalink

People who live in glass houses...

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:51 AM on 04/18/2009
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