Conyers, Sanchez, Paul: Obama Torture Decision Wrong (AUDIO)

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04/17/09 01:32 PM

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Rep. Linda Sanchez (D-Calif.), chair of a judiciary subcommittee that has been investigating Bush Administration misdeeds since Democrats took control of Congress, is disappointed in President Obama's decision not to prosecute CIA officials who tortured detainees, as long as the torture was deemed legal at the time by the White House.

"I still believe that we need to hold people accountable when they break the law and I personally would have liked to have seen some accountability for the actions of people in the last administration," Sanchez said Friday on the Bill Press Show.

"I know it's a difficult line to walk, but I don't think that you become a better democracy or stronger democracy by ignoring these kinds of things," she said.

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Rep. Ron Paul (R-Texas) also told Press he disagreed with Obama's decision, saying that he was sure a number of Obama supporters would be disappointed with the president. (Perhaps he's been reading the HuffPost comments section.)

"That's endorsing disobedience to the law," he said. "I think some of the people who helped Obama get into office might be a little bit disappointed. And they might be disappointed about Afghanistan and marijuana laws and state secret laws and not prosecuting people."

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Paul said such decisions undermine the point of an election. "If it gets fuzzy in any way, a new administration ought to at least investigate and find out -- let us know what really happened. That's the purpose of switching administrations; to clean house and at least let us know what happened. When policies don't change and the potential crimes that were committed aren't even looked into seriously, I think that gives a lot of disenchantment to the people who have wanted some change."

UPDATE: Chairman of the House Judiciary Committee John Conyers, Jr. (D-Mich.) agrees:

"As Americans digest the awful revelations in the Bush-era OLC opinions, our nation faces a critical choice - what will we do to ensure that abuses like those described in these memos are never again ordered by our leaders or justified by our lawyers? To me, the answer is obvious. We must have a full investigation of the circumstances under which these torture methods were created, approved, and implemented, preferably by an independent commission as I previously proposed. And if our leaders are found to have violated the strict laws against torture, either by ordering these techniques without proper legal authority or by knowingly crafting legal fictions to justify the torture, they should be criminally prosecuted. It is simply obvious that, if there is no accountability when wrongdoing is exposed, future violations will not be deterred.

"I believe a Commission is the best forum to resolve the difficult issues raised by the ever-increasing documentary record of Bush Administration interrogation abuses. To take just one example, today two former Bush Administration officials again took to the papers to justify these practices by claiming that the interrogation of Abu Zubaydeh had been a clear success and had led to the disruption of terrorist plots. Yet just two weeks ago, former Bush Administration officials who monitored this interrogation told reporters that 'not a single significant plot was foiled' as a result. The American people deserve a non-partisan answer to such fundamental questions.

"Finally, I do not understand the statements by the President and the Attorney General yesterday on the issue of potential prosecutions to address the senior officials and government attorneys who crafted and approved these programs. Further, yesterday's statements did not address the legality of any conduct that exceeded even the minimal boundaries established by the OLC memos, or any interrogations that occurred before legal guidance was provided."

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Rep. Linda Sanchez (D-Calif.), chair of a judiciary subcommittee that has been investigating Bush Administration misdeeds since Democrats took control of Congress, is disappointed in President Obama's...
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He said it was since their actions were okayed by the Bush administration. They can use the excuse that they were told to do it, but we still need to go after the bosses. They were not told. They rewrote the laws in such a way that they violated our Constitution and the Rules of the Geneva Convention. We need to hold them responsible in order to assure that no one ever does this to us and the world again!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:18 PM on 04/17/2009
- TJCole I'm a Fan of TJCole 190 fans permalink
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Have you heard anything about the Justice Dept. cleaning out the Federalist Society zealot usurpers or Bush appointees from Pat Robertson's so called law school...?

So why be surprised by this decision...?

We won't even recognize the Magna Carta let alone the Constitution or Federal Law at our Baghram Air Force Base prisoner compound...

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:12 PM on 04/17/2009

President Obama. Please don't do this , We Americans want George W Bush prosecuted for all of the crimes he commited. I have watched George Bush for 8 yrs and he had no respect for the laws of this nation and what we stand for. NO! if you do not prosecute and let it be known to all of us and let it truly show ( that no one is above the law) Eric Holder. I can not support you any longer. The new boss is just like the old boss.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:08 PM on 04/17/2009
- blimie I'm a Fan of blimie 15 fans permalink

We can't let our hope for change and our enthusiasm for Obama stop us from calling him out when he is horribly wrong.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:04 PM on 04/17/2009

this is tough...i'm an obama supporter...i want him to fix the economy, not spend time prosecuting the bush administartion...unless he or erci holder selects a special prosecutor to do the work. I kinda agree with Keith O on this from his special comments.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:00 PM on 04/17/2009
- Beninn I'm a Fan of Beninn 33 fans permalink
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Jonathan Turley explains to Rachel Maddow why Obama is guilty of obstructing justice if he doesn't appoint a special prosecutor or direct the DOJ to prosecute the Bush administration.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tG9Nj0OizCA

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:37 PM on 04/17/2009

You can post this a thousand times it won't cause some of us to change our opinion.

Congress could have stepped up to plate and done their jobs long before we had a new Adminstration..... but they didn't now they want someone else to clean up their mess!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:58 PM on 04/17/2009
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Exactly. This whole thing is a political hot potato for them including Obama.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:00 PM on 04/17/2009

Maybe he is aiming to get objective people, capable of critical thinking, to consider changing their opinions?
Nobody could reason with the die hard Bush devotees either, and it is quite clear that Obama has his version of them.

So rather than surrender to the die hard hero worshipers and their magical ability to rationalize torture, maybe it makes more sense to keep on trying to remind people that torture is now a cancer in our nation.......and that Obama is the man in charge of curing it.

The Turley link is well worth watching.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:07 PM on 04/17/2009
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Does this mean that because congress failed Obama should not encourage or support prosecution? In such a case what did the president mean when he said "no one is above the law"?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:19 PM on 04/17/2009
- Beninn I'm a Fan of Beninn 33 fans permalink
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"I'm not going to eat it; you eat it!", said one boy to his brother in a cereal commercial.

"Nuh uh! I know! Let's get Mikey! He'll eat it!", replied the brother.

Last scene, little Mikey happily eating the new cereal with the two older brothers watching.

That's some leader we got. He made many promises, including change, but he continues the Bush policies and now you tell us that it's okay with you if he doesn't do what he is required to do under the Constitution.

We don't need any more politicians; we need Mikeys.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:12 PM on 04/17/2009

where have these clowns been in the last 8 years? now that they are in power, they can start talking tough. what a bunch of chickenhawks.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:35 PM on 04/17/2009
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The only person who should be criticizing Obama .. is the only person who was vocal about prosecuting & !mpeaching Bush & this was Kucinich .. "Conyers, Sanchez, Paul" .. have no credibility .. why didn't they support Kucinich on his cause ...???

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:24 PM on 04/17/2009
- Brett1981 I'm a Fan of Brett1981 46 fans permalink

Is this the same man who said this:

"And, Democrats, Democrats, we must also admit that fulfilling America's promise will require more than just money. It will require a renewed sense of responsibility from each of us to recover what John F. Kennedy called our intellectual and moral strength."

just 8 months ago?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:15 PM on 04/17/2009
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If it was Obama ... he was referring to you folks ... you folks can't rely on him to do everything ... it's time for you to do your part ....

if my reference of "you folks" is offensive i apologize .. this is just how i express myself ...

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:39 PM on 04/17/2009
- Brett1981 I'm a Fan of Brett1981 46 fans permalink

Our part? Like what, elect someone to take responsibility and execute the law?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:04 PM on 04/17/2009
- k1k2lee I'm a Fan of k1k2lee 16 fans permalink

Okay, why can't Congress do something about this then? Why is Obama the only one who has to spend all his political capital pursuing this issue rather than spending it on passing his progressive budgetary agenda. Of course, Paul is going to raise this issue because he wants all those progressive programs to be blocked in Congress. He's right about the unnecessary war spending, but that's only coincidental because he thinks the government shouldn't spend money on ANYTHING. I agree this is an important issue. So, c'mon Congress, hold some open hearings. Isn't that how Watergate became transparent to the nation? It certainly wasn't the White House leading the charge.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:03 PM on 04/17/2009
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Because of this -

Jonathan Turley explains to Rachel Maddow why Obama is guilty of obstructing justice if he doesn't appoint a special prosecutor or direct the DOJ to prosecute the Bush administration.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tG9Nj0OizCA

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:37 PM on 04/17/2009

This same guy said President Obama wouldn't release these documents too.

I will wait on the President response before making a decision on what is happening. We have been down this road to many times only to find out the President was waiting on something he deeded important in order to make his finally decision.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:56 PM on 04/17/2009
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Well I didnt read but even though I was infuriated with this decision an epiphany hit me! Why punish the CIA they were following orders? Thats like waging a "war on drugs" by locking up the petty street dealers... Oh yeah we do that dont we?...*sigh*

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:01 PM on 04/17/2009
- TeeLolly I'm a Fan of TeeLolly 52 fans permalink

As long as there is no accountability, people like Cheney will continue to insist that what was done was both constitutionally and legally acceptable, and strategically productive. The next time we are attacked, the same "techniques" will be taken off the shelf, dusted off, and used again.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:00 PM on 04/17/2009
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I would rather the administration go after those who gave the orders to torture and wrote the memos rather than those who carried them out. it's far too easy to go after those on the bottom of the food chain. Case in point Abu Ghariab. only the lower enlisted were ever prosecuted, no officer, no high ranking defense dept civiialn who gave the orders....that to me is a gross miscarriage of justice!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:55 PM on 04/17/2009
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Obama has cut off doing anything about anyone involved.

When acts like these have been committed, you can't pre-determine where you cut off of the accountability, not that Obama is considering going after anyone. You have to launch investigations and then go where those investigations lead you. Nobody is placed off-limits at the start. You may decide (the prosecutor) to give immunity in exchange for testimony against others, but you don't begin that way.

Watch this -

Jonathan Turley explains to Rachel Maddow why Obama is guilty of obstructing justice if he doesn't appoint a special prosecutor or direct the DOJ to prosecute the Bush administration.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tG9Nj0OizCA

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:41 PM on 04/17/2009

Both are fully responsible.

If my boss told me to waterboard someone, I'd tell him to go to hell.

It's called "conscience".

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:31 PM on 04/18/2009

Pelosi dropped the ball and left Obama holding the bag--it was her responsibility to initiate impeachment proceedings against those two thugs before they left office.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:52 PM on 04/17/2009
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My Father died right outside Dallas- 2002 His dying words Do not trust anyone-Eight years later- No wonder- The Justice Department needs to Prosecute those Fronts that engages in Torture as a Ligitimate Business - DALLAS! Prosecute Dallas!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:48 PM on 04/17/2009
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