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STEVEN R. HURST | April 19, 2009 06:51 PM EST | AP

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WASHINGTON — President Barack Obama has gone abroad and gored an ox _ the deeply held belief that the United States does not make mistakes in dealings with either friends or foes.

And in the process, he's taking a huge gamble both at home and abroad, for a payoff that could be a long time coming, if ever.

By way of explanation, senior adviser David Axelrod describes the president's tactics this way:

"You plant, you cultivate, you harvest. Over time, the seeds that were planted here are going to be very, very valuable."

While historic analogies are never perfect, Obama's stark efforts to change the U.S. image abroad are reminiscent of the stunning realignments sought by former Soviet leader Michael Gorbachev. During his short _ by Soviet standards _ tenure, he scrambled incessantly to shed the ideological entanglements that were leading the communist empire toward ruin.

But Obama is outpacing even Gorbachev. After just three months in power, the new American leader has, among many other things:

_ Admitted to Europeans that America deserves at least part of the blame for the world's financial crisis because it did not regulate high-flying and greedy Wall Street gamblers.

_ Told the Russians he wants to reset relations that fell to Cold War-style levels under his predecessor, George W. Bush.

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_ Asked NATO for more help in the fight in Afghanistan, and, not getting much, did not castigate alliance partners.

_ Lifted some restrictions on Cuban Americans' travel to their communist homeland and eased rules on sending wages back to families there.

_ Shook hands with, more than once, and accepted a book from Hugo Chavez, the virulently anti-American leader of oil-rich Venezuela.

_ Said America's appetite for illegal drugs and its lax control of the flow of guns and cash to Mexico were partly to blame for the drug-lord-inspired violence that is rattling the southern U.S. neighbor.

_ Said that "if our only interaction with many of these countries is drug interdiction, if our only interaction is military, then we may not be developing the connections that can, over time, increase our influence" _ neglecting to mention U.S. health care, education and humanitarian relief efforts in Latin America.

At a news conference ending the three-day Summit of the Americas on Sunday, Obama was asked to explain what a reporter called this emerging "Obama Doctrine."

He said that first, he remains intent on telling the world that the United States is a powerful and wealthy nation that realizes it is just one country among many. Obama said he believes that other countries have "good ideas" and interests that cannot be ignored.

Second, while the United States best represents itself by living up to its universal values and ideas, Obama said it must also respect the variety of cultures and perspectives that guide both American foes and friends.

"I firmly believe that if we're willing to break free from the arguments and ideologies of an earlier era and continue to act, as we have at this summit, with a sense of mutual responsibility and mutual respect and mutual interest, then each of our nations can come out of this challenging period stronger and more prosperous, and we can advance opportunity, equality, and security across the Americas," the president said.

Critics, especially those deeply attached to the foreign policy course of the past 50-plus years, see a president whose lofty ideals expose the country to a dangerous probing of U.S. weakness, of an unseemly readiness to admit past mistakes, of a willingness to talk with unpleasant opponents.

"I think it was irresponsible for the president to be seen kind of laughing and joking with Hugo Chavez," said Sen. John Ensign, a Nevada Republican. "This is a person along the lines with Fidel Castro and the types of dictatorship that he has down there in Venezuela and the anti-Americanism that he has been spreading around the world is not somebody the president of the United States should be seen as having, you know, kind of friendly relations with."

At his news conference Obama said he didn't think he did much damage to U.S. security or interests by shaking the hand of Chavez, whose country has a defense budget about one-six hundredth the size of the United States, and depends upon it's oil reserves for solvency.

But beyond specific attacks on his new foreign policy are the deeper philosophical challenges emerging from the still powerful, if diminished, conservative political structure in the United States. Such opponents can play havoc with Obama's attempts to change domestic policy and will work to weaken his 60-plus percent approval among Americans.

Obama brushes that aside:

"One of the benefits of my campaign and how I've been trying to operate as president is I don't worry about the politics _ I try to figure out what's right in terms of American interests, and on this one I think I'm right."

So thought Gorbachev. But being right is not always politically healthy.

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Steven R. Hurst reports from the White House for the AP and has covered foreign affairs for 30 years.

Filed by Marcus Baram
WASHINGTON — President Barack Obama has gone abroad and gored an ox _ the deeply held belief that the United States does not make mistakes in dealings with either friends or foes. And in the pr...
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"Critics, especially those deeply attached to the foreign policy course of the past 50-plus years, see a president whose lofty ideals expose the country to a dangerous probing of U.S. weakness, of an unseemly readiness to admit past mistakes, of a willingness to talk with unpleasant opponents."

As opposed to GWB, the Great White Blowhard, who saved our purported enemies the trouble of probing US weaknesses by glaringly exposing those weaknesses himself, and having Americans pick up the tab, in blood and money.

Likewise, the Great White Blowhard's unwillingness to talk with unpleasant opponents has bought us what, exactly?

So, what "the critics" are unhappy about is that Obama is not continuing policies which have not helped the US, at best, and hurt the US, at worst.

In other words, who needs Osama bin Laden? We have "the critics."

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:55 AM on 04/20/2009
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Appeaser - someone who tries to bring peace by acceding to demands.

"An appeaser is one who feeds a crocodile--hoping it will eat him last"--Winston Churchill

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:14 AM on 04/20/2009
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Nice that you quoted Churchill - who was appeasing Naz! Germany

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:37 AM on 04/20/2009
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Nice how the right-wingers are so quick to label diplomacy "appeasement." All they have is name-calling.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:43 AM on 04/20/2009

Odd this article comparing President Obama to other world leaders, like Gorbachev. Obama and
Gorbachev, what a contrast. Did Gorby wage a relentless two-year democratic campaign to win leadership? Obama is beyond any other world leader. Even before stepping into office, his campaign inspired the world. And now, he is settling the world in a new direction.

In many parts of world, young people are reading his books. They see his "town hall meetings" in Turkey and Strasbourg and ask why their own leaders do not engage with the public in a similar fashion. Unlike any other US president, Obama users the positive strengths of the US, particularly the fight for independence from a colonial power, which billions across the planet can relate to.

Sad that some wingnuts and our media -- in general -- don't really get what Obama has already done for America. He is the most popular world leader today.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:52 AM on 04/20/2009
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Well said!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:32 AM on 04/20/2009
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have you noticed, we had our revolution but we won't allow other countries to have theirs unless it meets our needs?

have you noticed that America seems to "need" someone to fight? we either create an enemy by undermining their government or we isolate them if they don't allow us to exploit them, and then some Americans begin to shout "down with the bully regime of ________" rather than being responsible and accountable for our part in helping the "other" become a bully regime

Yes, there are "bullies in the school yard", but folks, it just seems that we have created many of our own enemies, just saying ........

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:53 AM on 04/20/2009
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The great white way.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:42 AM on 04/20/2009
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The sad thing is, aside from the patent right-wing bias of the article, is that it's a grammatical nightmare. "...depends upon it's oil reserves for solvency."

ITS, Steven. ITS.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:53 AM on 04/20/2009
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No AP Reporter Left Behind ..............................

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:01 AM on 04/20/2009
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Is our reporters learnin'?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:37 AM on 04/20/2009
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"But being right is not always politically healthy." Not a good therapy for better days. Isn't it, Mr. Steven R. Hurst?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:34 AM on 04/20/2009
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Yes, being on the right was certainly not politically healthy during the last election.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:38 AM on 04/20/2009

The AP has become a Rethug tool.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:15 AM on 04/20/2009
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this is what you tell yourself to make you feel better about yourself...

AP has to become a Rethug tool to remain credible... too much is at stake to bias this information to the left.

Yes, the media has been left wing biased for decades... get over it.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:25 AM on 04/20/2009
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You mean the very media that played Wright's sermons on an endless loop for two weeks? Yeah. Those shameless lefties... Helping Obama's campaign like that.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:50 AM on 04/20/2009
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You throw away many words here - left, right, socialism, Marx - your comments are really very vogue.

For example, what means "media has been left wing biased for decades"?

Really, you are writing too many comments with mutilated words in almost random order.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:54 AM on 04/20/2009
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Just out of curiosity... How many decades?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:09 AM on 04/20/2009
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Well, I think people who are on the right tend to think the media is in the tank for the left. People on the left think the media is in the tank for the right. I'm kind of in the middle myself as an independent, and it seems to me that finding a liberal talk show is a difficult task in most cities. There certainly aren't any in mine except by satellite or online. So I find it difficult to understand why anyone on the right thinks "the media," whatever that is, is biased to the left. My newspaper has editorials that give both sides of issues all the time, and even has articles by people like Michele Malkin, but that doesn't stop people on the right from writing to the paper and accusing it of being in the tank for the left. I still don't understand why people on the right hate the President so much. You should be proud of him. The rest of the world certainly is, and that couldn't hurt when it comes to avoiding being attacked from without. Frankly, I'm much more worried about people from within America perpetrating some horrible attrocity. We're the ones with the guns and the paranoia to use them. Already, we've seen mass shootings lately, even of policemen. It's a shame people can't just chill and get along. ::sigh::

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:11 AM on 04/20/2009
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Such insight into other people's reasons for saying things. What are yours?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:11 AM on 04/20/2009

BTW, before Bush II became President, it was not that uncommon for U.S. Presidents to admit that sometimes the U.S. had made mistakes. This just shows how ignorant the AP is.

Obama's approach seems so revolutionary because he came into office after Bush II and the short lag time between the various admissions.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:13 AM on 04/20/2009
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Did anyone see the smirk Chavez had on his face after shoving his favorite proper-gander book into Obama's hands?

Chavez is hazing Obama. and is loving every second of it.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:06 AM on 04/20/2009
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Cool down. Chavez is a little-short-grown-leftwng TV lover! This semi-educated rug of a Third World country is nothing but a comun!st clown! This clown's days as some third-world -lower-class-president are soon over! God Bless America!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:20 AM on 04/20/2009
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A g r e e d...

Chavez is a clown... any Pregressive who defends the actions of this human debris has questionable principles...

Is this 'the ends justify the means?'

you should expect some resistance if you accept this f00lish premise.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:23 AM on 04/20/2009
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dear allah... where is our reagan?

seriously, pregressives... youtube some reagan.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:03 AM on 04/20/2009
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I'd rather not, if it's all the same to you. By the way, don't you ever sleep? I was kinda hoping to not hear your annoying slogans for a little while.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:07 AM on 04/20/2009
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Progressive or not, we don't need no stinkin' Reagan. Ever again.

Sorry, you slavish regressive worshipper of St. Ronald, I hate to burst your bubble.

By the way, what the @#$% is a "pregressive," anyway?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:53 AM on 04/20/2009
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he's significant to history... you cannot wish him away.

you are a pre-regressive... going down an ideological path that is antithetical to human progress.

ever hear of the 20th century?

it's the Pr0gressive's failed century.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:56 AM on 04/20/2009
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Yeah, the guy that led are government while proclaiming to be afraid of government. What a hypocrite. He also led the charge in destroying regulative agencies which helped us get to where we are today - in an economic nightmare. Surely you jest!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:46 AM on 04/20/2009
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This AP article is incredibly shallow (what a shock!). The author implies that the last 50 years of foreign policy were just peachy. He suggests but doesn't explain why opening dialogue with other countries and acting civilly is potentially dangerous. He criticizes Obama for not berating NATO as if that would work. He criticizes Obama for acting to reduce tensions between U.S. and Cuba when that is exactly what Nixon did with China, a country which posed a far bigger threat than Cuba. And, by the way, Chavez wasn't so much anti=American as anti=bush. And even if he was against America, Obama promised to talk with countries whether they are our current friends or not. He is following through beautifully. Obama can authorize force when needed, as he did in the pirate situation.
What is it with people, such as the author of this article, who want to keep tensions between nations going forever?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:31 AM on 04/20/2009
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Agree, the article is very shallow, almost complete nonsense.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:43 AM on 04/20/2009
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I don't know that I'd use the word peachy, but U.S. foreign policy for the last 50 years isn't that different from what Obama is doing. He IS different than the last eight years.

Thank goodness.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:03 AM on 04/20/2009
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Both paid stooges used to undermine their countries???

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:27 AM on 04/20/2009
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How clever. That must have taken you hours!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:33 AM on 04/20/2009
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The AP continues to set itself against America's interests. I'm beginning to believe that looking into the actual ownership and influences of the AP will lead to foreign interests -- with a lot of interest in how we perceive our new administration.

Not that we give a darn, really. A news organization that used to have a solid reputation, that carried stories with legs, has become a laughing stock. When we read a story put out by the AP, we instanly distrust it, and look for better sources.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:18 AM on 04/20/2009
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better look for sources that reflect your one sided views, you mean.
Best to get all sides of a story and make better conclusions than only one sided stories.
Narrow mindedness not impressive.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:29 AM on 04/20/2009
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...if only you just try to follow your own advice.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:46 AM on 04/20/2009
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Don't you have a date with flatearthguy?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:05 AM on 04/20/2009
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Where do you get your "Fair and Balanced" news?

ROFL

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:05 AM on 04/20/2009

Dick Cheney lied to me on war, says GOP leader

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:37 PM on 04/20/2009

LA TIMES;

It is the central charge against the Bush White House, that the administration lied its way into a war in Iraq.

Now comes Dick Armey, once House Majority Leader, who described a classified one-on-one briefing in the vice president's hideaway office in the U.S. Capitol where he says Vice President Dick Cheney went beyond that into outright deception.

"Did Dick Cheney ... purposely tell me things he knew to be untrue?" Armey said. "I seriously feel that may be the case...Had I known or believed then what I believe now, I would have publicly opposed [the war] resolution right to the bitter end, and I believe I might have stopped it from happening."

You should at least try to know what your talking about some of the time.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:40 PM on 04/20/2009
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When Obama made "transparency and open government" the hallmark of his new administration, Gorbachev came to mind.

I believe the comparisons are not so much between the former Soviet or American empire, nor the specific agendas of Gorbachev or Obama, but in recognizing a similarity in leadership and vision.

Both leaders were in pursuit of an ideal; the Soviets toward democratization and the U.S. away from the failures of the quasi-authoritarianism of the past 8 years and the supply-side economics of the last 30 year

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:11 AM on 04/20/2009
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zerepas says "Both leaders were in pursuit of an ideal; the Soviets toward democratization and the U.S. away from the failures of the quasi-authoritarianism of the past 8 years and the supply-side economics of the last 30 year"
she means"and the US away from capitalism and democracy"

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:18 AM on 04/20/2009
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She meant what she wrote. Do not speak for anyone but yourself, mommy dearest.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:25 AM on 04/20/2009
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No, that's something you took from a tea-bagging course.

Tell us what you call 'capitalism and democracy' - and how you think US may part from this? What do you think one would do to ruin capitalism, or to ruin democracy? Any example from history?

You are way too easy throwing words. And putting words in somebody's mouth.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:29 AM on 04/20/2009
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Um, no, she doesn't mean "away from capitalism and democracy" or that's what she would have said. The only people who think that's what President Obama is about are people who believe right-wing propaganda. You really should actually listen to President Obama's speeches sometime, or read his books, with an open mind for a change. You might learn something. I really get SO tired of hearing his ideas and principles mis-characterized by people who hate him. It's time to get over all this negativity and give the man a chance. After all, he is working as hard for those who hate him as for those who love him, and we will all benefit from the efforts he is making on our behalf to straighten out the mess of the last 8 years. He did win, and he still had a vast majority of the people in his corner. I suggest if you ever want one of your guys respected (if one ever gets elected again), you might try giving this winner some respect. You could pray for him, too. He has a difficult job and could use the support.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:24 AM on 04/20/2009
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The S0viets were simply nukular armed mafia thugs... they were advocating zero ideals... Marx would've objected to Stalin and his offspring...

s0cialism is flawed, the thugs were able to exploit this system...

Which makes our founding fathers more interesting because they foresaw the thuggish tendencies of democracy... and constructed a political system to buffer against that human frailty.

The founding fathers have the last laugh... marx has been schooled.

Do any Pregressives understand this?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:11 AM on 04/20/2009
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Nukular? Gee, that's funny. You really miss Bush, don't you?

The thuggish tendencies of democracy ... even funnier.

Do you ever reread your posts and look for tiny, nukular thuggish tendencies? Guess not.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:09 AM on 04/20/2009

Gorbie did not contravene Geneva conventions and Nuremburg war crime standards by announcing "following orders" is a good excuse for war crimes.

Obama is protecting torturers who remain in his own government. Obama does not sound like Glasnost. He is just part of the "good cop bad cop team". Look at him ramp up unpopular attacks on Pakistan and the military occupation of Afghanistan.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:54 AM on 04/20/2009
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And even getting out of Iraq on the same timeline as Bush! Yeah.. it's change we need!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:00 AM on 04/20/2009
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Give it a rest, Mrs. Limbaugh. Bush wanted to "stay the course". My, how quickly we forget. Part of his polishing team, are you?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:27 AM on 04/20/2009
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This is most ridiculous comment I have read here today.

Have you any idea how many people was in KGB at Gorbachev time? Of course many had nothing to do with crimes, but many had, a lot. There were retired from times of NKVD (previous name of KGB). There were those who did a lot of things, including of course tortures.

Gorbachev was very lousy leader, mediocre manager, liked in West (but not at home) for he looked different from half-dead predecessors. Gorbachev never was ahead of events, and he lost USSR.

Obama redefined goals in Afghanistan, making them far more realistic. Pakistan is in more dire situation now than Afghanistan. One cannot undo so easily and so fast all failures of Bush regime.

It is great that Obama "does not sound like Glasnost" - he is a real leader, not a joke.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:41 AM on 04/20/2009
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What? The world doesn't like Obama?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:54 AM on 04/20/2009
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Don't worry. We love him. You ... I'm not so sure.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:34 AM on 04/20/2009
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She hates America-

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:07 AM on 04/20/2009
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What?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:41 AM on 04/20/2009
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