Earth Day 2009: Obama Energy Chief Lays Out Climate Doomsday Scenario

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04/19/09 12:44 PM

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Days before Earth Day 2009, President Obama's Energy Secretary Steven Chu gave a press briefing at the "Summit of the Americas" in Trinidad and Tobago where he laid out the potentially disastrous consequences if the world community doesn't unite to combat climate change.

Chu, who won the Nobel Prize for Physics in 1997, detailed several of the most dramatic impacts that global warming could have, such as several island nations being submerged.

We've posted the transcript below -- take a look:

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SECRETARY CHU: Well, I had no discussions in this summit meeting on the issue as to whether the climate is really changing or what are potential economic consequences. Now, in full candor, I haven't talked with representatives from Venezuela yet, but I think they're -- in terms of discussing whether the climate is changing or whether humans have caused it, I think for the most part this debate is over. It's something -- yes, it's changing; that's a demonstrable fact. If one looks at the latest IPCC reports, there's very, very convincing evidence -- very high probability it was caused predominantly by greenhouse gas emissions. And what is not known with certainty is what are the range of effects that might happen, and -- because that, quite frankly, also depends on what the world does.

But let me just say that there are certainly a reasonable probability that -- I'm sure the people in this room have heard this -- that in the last IPCC report, the 2007 report, they said that it's going to be somewhere between two and four -- two and a half, four and a half -- I'm not sure of the exact numbers -- degrees Centigrade change.

And so let me remind you that the Earth has already warmed up by about 0.8 degrees Centigrade; that the experts acknowledge that there is another 1 degree Centigrade already built into the system, even if humans stopped carbon emissions today flat. That's because we put enough greenhouse gases up into the atmosphere, the sun continues to warm up the Earth, and until you reach a new equilibrium or the heat from the Earth then reaches the equilibrium -- what's coming in and what's getting reflected back -- there's 1 degree change already; that there's a reasonable probability we can go above 4 degrees Centigrade to 5 and 6 more. That means we have a -- there's a reasonable probability, and certainly in business-as-usual scenario, we can go to 5 or 6 degrees Centigrade.

Now, what does that mean? The last ice age, we were 6 degrees Centigrade colder than we are today -- a very different world. Okay, only 6 degrees Centigrade means, in North America, ice sheet from Canada down to Pennsylvania, Ohio -- year round in ice. So imagine a world 6 degrees warmer. It's not going to recognize geographical boundaries. It's not going to recognize anything. So agriculture regions today will be wiped out. Yes, there are parts of Canada will be -- can grow more food, but, you know, the other thing is, the Earth is spherical and the sun hits at an angle up north. So there are going to be huge consequences if we go up to that 4, 5, 6 degrees.

Q How long would it take?

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SECRETARY CHU: We're talking about that temperature in -- by the end of this century. And the other thing is, you stick that carbon in the atmosphere, it cycles around, but it's up there for a couple hundred years. Okay, so you've just bought a couple hundred years of this effect. So -- and that could have dramatic consequences on the world, but especially the more vulnerable people in the world.

Q Secretary Chu, so did any of the leaders, especially from this part of the world, talk about the specific concerns about rising ocean levels?

SECRETARY CHU: Yes, very much so. I think the Caribbean countries face rising oceans and they face increase in the severity of hurricanes. This is something that is very, very scary to all of us; that if you consider what has been happening, especially in the polar regions in the north, and you look at the predictions of the IPCC beginning in 1990, this is something they didn't do so well. It's melting considerably faster than anyone predicted ten years ago.

So we are terribly afraid there will be an increase in temperature if the ice in the Antarctica and Greenland melt. This is bad news. If Greenland melts -- it's two or three kilometers thick -- we're looking at a seven-meter sea level rise around the world. Some island states will disappear.

So there was specific -- at the lunch today, there was specific discussion represented from the island states that this is of great concern, and the island states in the world represent -- I remember this number -- one-half of 1 percent of the carbon emissions in the world. And they will -- some of them will disappear. So this is pretty serious business.

Days before Earth Day 2009, President Obama's Energy Secretary Steven Chu gave a press briefing at the "Summit of the Americas" in Trinidad and Tobago where he laid out the potentially disastrous cons...
Days before Earth Day 2009, President Obama's Energy Secretary Steven Chu gave a press briefing at the "Summit of the Americas" in Trinidad and Tobago where he laid out the potentially disastrous cons...
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- Richard2 I'm a Fan of Richard2 12 fans permalink

Even Charles Osgood of CBS doesn't believe this stuff anymore. Endless warnings of future disasters. Calls for immediate action to save the world now.

Meanwhile, Mr. Osgood notes that under the radar something else has happened: Our sun is acting odd. It has shifted into a very cool phase, not seen in many years, and which historically has been connected with periods of cold weather.

Could the sun have an effect on the earth's climate? Could the sun partly explain the stable air temperatures of the last ten years, the cooling of the upper oceans, the rebound in global sea ice, and the slowing of sea level rises? No, couldn't be. Don't be silly.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:43 PM on 04/21/2009
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After reading this, I'm going to increase my carbon use just to take you out faster.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:07 AM on 05/03/2009

Get ready for a fireplace tax

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:37 AM on 04/21/2009

Meanwhile Colorado digs out of 2 feet of snow !!!!!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:32 AM on 04/21/2009

He got his marching orders to scare people... just like Colon Powell in front of the UN.

He Knows the verdict is still out on whether man made CO2 can cause global warming. He knows more research should be done to answer this question. But too many connected people will make too much money off those who are not influencial, which is why he got his marching order.

Meanwhile, expect our jobs to move to China where they do not have to meet the same green requirements.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:30 AM on 04/21/2009
- jimspy I'm a Fan of jimspy 15 fans permalink
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Instructions:

1. Extract head from sand
2. Read the following: http://earth.geology.yale.edu/~sherwood/index.cgi?page-selection=5
3. Post point-by-point challenges to the information provided. Your sources should be reputable climate scientists who do not operate on grants from Exxon/Mobil.

Until then, your comments will be relegated to the dung heap of history.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:10 AM on 04/21/2009

Hey I read your link. I'm up for the challenge!

"Two recent studies have cast further doubt on whether hurricane intensity or frequency increases will be all that severe."

No challenge there.

"Some changes have been huge: 55 million years ago the north pole was as warm as Florida today, while 20 thousand years ago, much of North America was under miles of ice. The really warm climates all occurred long before the advent of upright primates, but prehistoric humans made it through some pretty cold times. "

Um.. hmm, no challenge again.

"Greenhouse gases are naturally present, and without them we'd all freeze"

Dang.. still no challenge...

"Without any CO2 we'd indeed be in trouble"

...

"Finally, carbon dioxide helps plants grow"

I give up, he's completely convinced me that nothing is going to happen.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:50 PM on 04/23/2009

I understand that King Barry is now educating us on Global Warming. He has assessed the North Dakota floods as proof. And I thought he graduated as a lawyer?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:23 PM on 04/20/2009

Here's the real deal King B. The Red River flows into Canada. And, most of Canada is still FROZEN! So, the thaw in N.D. can not go to the Hudson Bay (as nature would want and allow) becasue of the ice still in place. I knew those Cannucks were up to no good! Stick to community organizing please.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:32 PM on 04/20/2009

I heard a rumor that due to increased vegetation (you know, trees, weeds, etc) in the USA, we are actually now a carbon sink. Our vegetation takes up more CO2 than we produce.

How about that...

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:21 PM on 04/20/2009

You shouldn't believe unfounded rumors.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:37 PM on 04/20/2009
- realpolitic I'm a Fan of realpolitic 148 fans permalink

Where would the far right be without their rumors?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:49 PM on 04/20/2009
    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:58 PM on 04/20/2009

I refer to the post directly below this as a case-in-point of my argument stated in my previous post. Instead of arguing rationally and clearly, global warming deniers can often be expected to offer muddled assertions, sometimes including sarcasm so it's difficult to tell exactly what they are claiming. Thus, no use even trying to engage in a discussion.

This is a great website to offer commentary and debate on breaking news. But I'd also like to talk about these topics at a bit more sophisticated level, where deniers are simply ignored, as they should be. Can anyone recommend a website with a very sophisticated environmen­tal/climat­e change forum?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:26 PM on 04/20/2009
    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:39 PM on 04/20/2009
- WillWilson I'm a Fan of WillWilson 13 fans permalink
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My humble suggestion is get involved in local politics. My city, Durham, NC, has numerous boards and commissions you can serve on, and get the message to the city council and county commission (and such). Many issues, including water quality and open space preservati­on/enhance­ment, can only take place at the local level. Scaling/summing these effects up to the national level adds up to lots of environmental progress. Global warming needs work, but much of the infrastructure change on that issue has to be done at the national level. Other things can only take place at a local level.

I think rebutting those who deny facts remains important, if only to speak to those on the fence. As a university professor with tenure, I feel it is an obligation to provide knowledge. Certainly, some people will be in denial no matter what information comes their way, but such is life. Others are honestly seeking answers to questions, and the information must be there. Focus on the audience you are speaking to.

Will Wilson

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:10 PM on 04/20/2009

If you are a university professor with tenure, perhaps you can think critically.

Do you believe we are now in an Ice Age?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:59 PM on 04/20/2009

All the Gaia freaks should read the latest New Age Cult book by James Lovelock. If you really believe in global warming, despite the fact that the 21st century has reversed the 0.6C increase in temperature, and we are on the verge of the next ice age, due to lack of solar activity, then you should agree with Lovelock that:

1) only a crash nuclear program can save the planet. Nuclear waste is not an issue, except for frightened children.
2) wind and solar are a waste of time and money
3) environmentalists who banned DDT have killed more people than Hitler.

Since the Obama administration is not pushing nuclear, what is their solution: fascist corporatist Cap and Trade speculation.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:54 PM on 04/20/2009
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I'm actually surprised that the Obama Administration and Stephen Chu in particular aren't pushing for a renewal of nuclear research alongside their interest in renewable energy. Stephen Chu was always a very vocal proponent of nuclear energy, but he's been quiet on the subject lately, hasn't he?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:41 PM on 04/20/2009

Chu is just obeying orders.

kinda like Cheney's torturers only different

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:36 AM on 04/21/2009

If it really will flood California and the East Coast, can we speed it up? I'm eating all the cheese and peanuts I can to do my part.

And, while we are on the topic, which of you is going to go over and negotiate the Chinese into changing their evil ways? Good luck with that. I know, we have to be the first and set the example, just like nuclear disarmament, leaving only the real kooks, criminals and jihadists with nuclear weapons.

But, remember this: when we are all back to living in caves and walking everywhere, you are going to have to grow your own crops and kill your own food (using nothing but sticks and stones for the latter). Good luck with that as well. The good news: there will be no more Keith Olbermann broadcasts.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:25 PM on 04/20/2009
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The theory of global warming is just smoke and mirrors to hide the real problem: energy security. I asked Grist about that on current.com, as to whether or not they felt the goals of the anti-AGW were actually about the peaking of fossil fuels. David Roberts went on to play directly into my hand.

"If the concern over global warming is a cover for some even deeper concern, then I don't have any concern left to spare."

Compassion Fatigue 101.

"A lot of people wonder whether concern over energy, over oil and coal, over national security, energy security, isn't enough..."

It hasn't been for the past forty years, even after the 1970's oil crisis, so why would it be now?

"There is overlap between the solutions to the energy crisis and the climate crisis, but once you put the climate crisis into the picture, things change significantly, mainly due to time constraints... We don't have time to mess around. We have maybe ten, twenty years to get onto a fundamentally new trajectory..."

Which is the exact same opinion held by the peak oil and peak coal crowd. (Whose concerns are founded on much more solid ground, in my opinion.) There isn't just some overlap. There's nothing but overlap. Global warming is just there to get people uninformed about energy on board for legislature that wouldn't fly otherwise. Cap & Trade doesn't ration greenhouse gas. It rations energy.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:22 PM on 04/20/2009

It seems unlikely that the thousands of researchers world wide are involved in this kind of conspiracy, impossible in fact, how would it be kept secret, why would PhD's waste their lives on a deception? The sad truth is that depletion will not reduce greenhouse gas emissions fast enough to save us from catastrophe, but will be the double whammy to destroying modern civilization. It's a shame.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:42 PM on 04/20/2009
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Disclaimer:

I feel that it's important that we achieve energy independence, and that it is the "uber-issue" facing us today, as Roberts put it. Global Warming might be a leaky ship, but I think we all remember what life was like when gas was $5.00 a gallon. Imagine what it would be like if it cost twice as much.

We need to pull out all the stops to keep that from happening again. Energy shortages are an existential threat to any industrial society. Life in the country seems romantic, sure, but I don't think any of us complain about being able to go to a grocery store and purchase food and toiletries, or having running, filtered water and public sanitation. I also don't think any of us are actually complaining about having easy access to interstate travel, and nobody here should be complaining about the mostly coal-fired Internet, either. (Which, if projections from the coal industry are correct, will run out of fuel within our lifetimes.) We "don't have time to mess around," folks, but good luck assigning carbon credits to volcanoes and termite colonies.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:47 PM on 04/20/2009
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Huh. My little cautionary note isn't coming up.

Anyway, long story short, I do think these changes to renewable, sustainable energy need to happen. Desperately so. Change has a deadline now, with energy shortages being a very real possibility in the immediate and near-term future. (And there's no quicker way to derail an industrial, developed society than cutting off its energy supply. If that happens, it won't be pretty.) It's not the goals of the movement I ultimately call into question, it's the movement's basis. Climate phenomena are to this day ill understood, but resource production peaks are real, verifiable, and imminent unless action is taken immediately to move us away from modes of industry and energy production that simply can't last into the future.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:40 PM on 04/20/2009
- popart I'm a Fan of popart 12 fans permalink
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i am so going to hate being dead and missing all the fun of seeing Florida vanish.....i'll be lucky to see Venice under water.....bummer.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:15 PM on 04/20/2009
- whoknew--- I'm a Fan of whoknew--- 15 fans permalink


Another factor which I have read about briefly regarding global warming is the effect it has on the ocean's currents and the way how fresh water from these melting ice caps reacts with the salinity and the ecosystem of the oceans.

Very troubling....

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:56 PM on 04/20/2009

Yes, one of the biggest nonlinear elements in the whole climate system is the on/off toggle of the North Atlantic Current, which seems to be getting very close to the tipping point right now. This is the northern extension of the Gulf Stream and carries a huge amount of heat and moisture to the British Isles and Europe. It is powered by the sinking of denser, more saline water at the northern end, since the current loses water vapor as it travels. Without this current Europe becomes much colder and drier, and non-irrigated agriculture would fail on a large scale.

Because of the current warming trend there is an increasing amount of ice and permafrost melting around the area where the current normally sinks, and at some point this fresh meltwater will dilute the current enough that it is unable to sink, and at that point the whole North Atlantic part of the oceanic conveyor belt shuts down. The ice core record indicates that this shutting off can happen very quickly, essentially in a single season, and once turned off it will remain off for hundreds to thousands of years. The effects on Europe will be huge, and the overall world climate also gets significantly colder and drier when the current is in the "off" state.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:47 PM on 04/20/2009

As for people who deny the phenomenon of climate change, let´s not yell and scream at them, nor even attempt to argue. I´ve gone through pages of comment threads which consist entirely of deniers stating their case, then responses refuting those claims by citing one study or another. It´s tiring to wade through this repetition; we could argue all day with those who deny the danger we face. Let´s dedicate our time instead to developing creative strategies to getting ourselves out of the mess, instead of wasting time debating its existence.

It sounds like a good idea to try to convince deniers of the facts, since we need everyone to help us combat this gravest of threats. But this is a waste of time, because deniers generally fall into two camps. One group is paranoid and believes that global warming is a hoax created to push a progressive agenda, and the other is merely composed of people who can´t fathom the seriousness of the mess. This is understandable. Never in human history have our minds had to comprehend such a horrible truth, and it´s downright terrifying. Often I have trouble wrapping my mind around just how scary it is. So let´s not argue with deniers. We are either talking to the brick wall of hyperparanoia, or we are yelling at and insulting people who, honestly, can be forgiven for refusing to believe the nightmare stories of massive floods, storms, and mass migrations. Be gentle, give them time to come around.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:30 AM on 04/20/2009

No, just ignore them. We have tried to educate them, and they remain willfully ignorant. Just like the Republicans in general, who are all about obstruction and pride themselves on being ignorant. They are extinct and there will be less and less Republicans in the future. The best thing we can do for them is just to say "you're wrong, and you are going extinct for being so wrong".

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:55 AM on 04/20/2009

I´d like to see Obama and Raúl Castro work together to raise the United States´ embargo on Cuba and allow anyone to freely travel between the two nations. I think citizens from both countries should be able to visit their relatives in the other before there´s real danger of Cuba being submerged.

And it´s not a crazy idea that it could happen. Chu´s honesty and apparent dedication to avoiding the worst consequences of climate change is frankly very impressive, but I´d like to see strong action now.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:26 AM on 04/20/2009

the dutch weather society issued a report in October 2008 stating that there is no evidence of any appreciable sea level rise in the last 10 years. I would think they would be more concerned about rising sea levels than any other country. 2008 was the least active hurricane year in 30 years. The belief in man made global warming or as it is now called, climate change, is a pseudo religion in which it's followers act like fundamentalists who will stifle all debate and renounce as heretics those of us who are not true believers.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:30 AM on 04/20/2009
- Clavis I'm a Fan of Clavis 38 fans permalink

Your insulting and mocking language does nothing to help the discussion. You right-wingers always characterize the left as being shrill and radical and "fundamentalist", but you are also the side that demonizes universities, science, education and intellect and goes with "truthiness" instead of the truth.

"Dutch Weather Society"? Who are they? How can you trust them? They're all part of the pseudo-religion, right? Oh, wait, let me guess: you believe only people who agree with you? Who's the fundamentalist now?

So silly. You right-wingers have been taking oil company money and telling lies about climate change for years now -- who has "stifled" you? ExxonMobil continues to fund the AEI without pause, so where's the stifling?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:33 AM on 04/20/2009

Googled it. There is no such organization. Get your facts straight and come back.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:44 AM on 04/20/2009
- gino618 I'm a Fan of gino618 48 fans permalink
    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:22 PM on 04/20/2009
- WillWilson I'm a Fan of WillWilson 13 fans permalink
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Results from Church and White (2006) demonstrate that sea levels are still increasing. I've posted their figure from my lecture slides here:

http://www.sciencetime.org/blog/?p=125

Will Wilson

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:46 AM on 04/20/2009

And not to pile on but satellite images make it really really clear that the ice is melting. where will it go if not into the sea? Heaven?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:08 PM on 04/20/2009

Looked at your chart. You take a 120 year window and project it out? What about the previous 120 years or the 120 years before that. What happened then? You take a minute portion of the history of the earth and claim the sky is falling. Somehow the climate of the earth ebbs and flows for thousands of years but suddenly the left has found a way to make money and gain power by scaring the sheep. I hope your students can reason better than you can.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:04 PM on 04/20/2009
- Pippen I'm a Fan of Pippen 20 fans permalink

The Nay Sayers remind me of that Mayor in Jaws who want the beaches opened while he does nothing to abate the man-eater from dining daily on beach goers. If it were'nt so serious I'd have a good laugh but it's not funny anymore it's tragic.

USA Today is a right wing rag that is best used for lining bird cages and packing boxes not for educational purposes.

The right-wing radio zombies are repeating the mantra that "...those frightened Democrats are trying to tax CO-2...with global warming claims....look out for your wallets....!!!"

When some propaganda gets so ignorant that it's detrimental to human existence on the planet, it's no longer just daytime radio entertainment, it's Anti-Human Species, anti-intellectual and very dangerous. Propaganda that is THAT dangerous needs to be stopped.

The right-wing are supported by three factions : War machine industries, Oil industries (notice plural), and National Security interest. Yes American national security. The kind that they don't talk about on news programs. The real kind. Oil is our Ace in the sleeve. Until we find a better way to replace oil and not lose any security standing, I think we can all count on going into a glacial ice age on schedule.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:02 AM on 04/20/2009

take a deep breath, it is unlikely you are going to drown or fry anytime soon.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:31 AM on 04/20/2009
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