Opposition Grows To Obama's Decision Not To Prosecute CIA Agents

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First Posted: 04-19-09 04:17 PM   |   Updated: 04-19-09 11:42 PM

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"Nothing will be gained by spending our time and energy laying blame for the past." - President Barack Obama

From the New York Times editorial page to the United Nations, there seems to be growing criticism of the Obama administration's decision not to prosecute CIA agents who tortured detainees.

In the New York Times editorial on Sunday, the paper lashed Obama, demanding a "commitment to accountability." The same editorial called for the impeachment of federal appeals court judge Jay Bybee, former assistant U.S. attorney general and author of the torture memos:

In the case of detainee abuse, Mr. Obama assured C.I.A. operatives that they would not be prosecuted for actions that their superiors told them were legal. We have never been comfortable with the "only following orders" excuse, especially because Americans still do not know what was actually done or who was giving the orders.


After eight years without transparency or accountability, Mr. Obama promised the American people both. His decision to release these memos was another sign of his commitment to transparency. We are waiting to see an equal commitment to accountability.

Manfred Nowak, the UN rapporteur on torture, says that the US must try those who used harsh interrogation tactics in accordance with the UN Convention Against Torture.

Calling for an independent investigations and the compensation of victims, Nowak told the Austrian daily Der Standard:

"The United States, like all other states that are part of the UN convention against torture, is committed to conducting criminal investigations of torture and to bringing all persons against whom there is sound evidence to court... The fact that you carried out an order doesn't relieve you of your responsibility."

David Cole, a professor at Georgetown University Law Centre, and the author of Justice at War: The Men and Ideas That Shaped America's 'War on Terror', was forthright in his criticism of the president's decision not to prosecute, reports the Scotsman:

"Obama's refusal to hold accountable those responsible for the wrongs so evident from the memos is unacceptable. A child would recognise these tactics as cruel and inhumane."
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He adds, however, that it is not the line CIA operatives who should face sanctions. "Rather, it is the lawyers and high-level government officials who set this scheme in motion and made it possible. These documents are irrefutable evidence that government officials, including lawyers employed in the Office of Legal Counsel, a Justice Department office meant to serve as the 'constitutional conscience' of the Executive Branch, set out to manipulate the law to reach repugnant, illegal results that contravene the very ideals President Obama says must not be sacrificed."

Salon's Joan Walsh agreed with the Times editorial:

I'm concerned about the relative silence from the Obama administration and Congress about what comes next. There clearly needs to be a torture investigation; personally, I'd prefer that it be led by an independent prosecutor at this point. I think there is more than enough proof that laws were broken, and we need accountability. But I'd support starting with a strong Congressional probe if there's more political will for that right now.

I believe that every step we take to learn more will only strengthen the case that someone must be held accountable for the lawless cruelty that marked the Bush-Cheney torture regime. We can start by impeaching Jay Bybee, but it can't end there.

When the decision was first announced last Thursday, MSNBC's Keith Olbermann came right out in his special comment and said Obama was "wrong":

What you describe would be not "spent energy" but catharsis. Not "blame laid," but responsibility ascribed...


That means prosecuting all those involved in the Bush administration's torture of prisoners, even if the results are nominal punishments, or merely new laws. Your only other option is to let this set and fester indefinitely. Because, Sir, some day there will be another Republican president, or even a Democrat just as blind as Mr. Bush to ethics and this country's moral force. And he will look back to what you did about Mr. Bush. Or what you did not do.

Human rights groups such as Amnesty International and the Center for Constitutional Rights have been outspoken in their criticism, reports the Belfast Telegraph:

"The release of CIA memos on interrogation methods by the US Department of Justice appears to have offered a get-out-of-jail-free card to people involved in torture," Amnesty International said.


"It is one of the deepest disappointments of this administration that it appears unwilling to uphold the law where crimes have been committed by former officials," said the Washington-based Centre for Constitutional Rights. The Centre argued that it was not just the interrogators who should face scrutiny, but those directing them.

"Whether or not CIA operatives who conducted water boarding are guaranteed immunity, it is the high-level officials who conceived, justified and ordered the torture programme who bear the most responsibility for breaking domestic and international law, and it is they who must be prosecuted," it said.

In Newsweek, Michael Isikoff and Evan Thomas surmised that the prosecution decision may not be final, depending on the outcome of upcoming inquiries:

"As a practical matter, it's over -- nobody is going to get prosecuted," says Robert Bennett, the Washington lawyer whose clients include Jose Rodriguez, the former chief of the CIA's clandestine service, who has been under investigation for his November 2005 decision to destroy 92 videotapes showing the interrogation of Abu Zubaydah. But what if evidence emerges that CIA officials (or contractors, who actually conducted most of the interrogations)went beyond the boundaries that the Justice Department erected? The CIA has consistently denied wrongdoing, but an intriguing footnote to one of the memos says that an internal CIA investigation found that there might have been "unnecessary use of enhanced techniques" against one Qaeda suspect. The memos released last week would be comical if they weren't so tragic about the level of legal hairsplitting. In the case of Abu Zubaydah, the Justice Department lawyer instructed that as long as the CIA did not tell him anything about the insect, and the insect was non-stinging, "the insect's placement in the box would not constitute a threat of severe physical pain or suffering to a reasonable person in his position." Just how a lawyer sitting in his office in Washington, D.C., would know what a "reasonable person in his position" might think is unclear.
"Nothing will be gained by spending our time and energy laying blame for the past." - President Barack Obama From the New York Times editorial page to the United Nations, there seems to be growing c...
"Nothing will be gained by spending our time and energy laying blame for the past." - President Barack Obama From the New York Times editorial page to the United Nations, there seems to be growing c...
 
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There is a line of authority that guided the inhumane actions at Abu Ghraib and the actions by the CIA. In fact, what happened at Abu Ghraib was not the result of random acts of a few bad apples. It was the consequence of the Bush policy. In the documentary film Ghosts of Abu Ghraib, John Yoo says that though he doesn't think the Geneva Conventions covered Abu Ghraib, he believes the soldiers and their commanding officers felt the techniques used fell within the Conventions.

The abuses at Abu Ghraib occurred in the immediate aftermath of a decision by Rumsfeld to step up the hunt for “actionable intelligence” among Iraqi prisoners. The general who oversaw intelligence gathering at GITMO was brought in to overhaul interrogation practices in Iraq, and teams of interrogators from GITMO were sent to Abu Ghraib. The commanding general in Iraq issued orders to “manipulate an internee's emotions and weaknesses­.” Military police were ordered by military intelligence to “set physical and mental conditions for favorable interrogation of witnesses.­” instill fear.
As the CIA agents are off the hook, it didn't take long for the military to prosecute military policemen Graner, England and Frederick who were found guilty for their acts at Abu Ghraib. The CIA tapes would have brought the same outrage as the photos out of Iraq. Seniors at CIA knew the consequences if the tapes became public.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:33 PM on 04/21/2009

Is the "Nuremburg Defense" being used in the case of the CIA agents who tortured prisoners? I depart ways with the Obama administration regarding the position not to pursue indictments against those who were clearly guilty of torture. That really should not be his call. The president should let justice take its course. Otherwise, he leaves himself open to criticism for those who say it's is ok for the CIA to torture but it's illegal for military personnel. It's ok for the military to be prosecuted for torture, but CIA agents are above the law.

To merely say that the CIA agents should not be prosecuted because their actions were sanctioned by the DOJ is an extremely lame excuse given the authorization given to the military police at Abu Ghraib. First of all, the CIA agents are no more innocent than those who were prosecuted for the horrors at Abu Ghraib. Neither are the lawyers at the DOJ, seniors in the DOD, the personnel in the WH who requested the DOJ torture memos, or Tenet and Goss who oversaw the CIA torture. (A question is where would one stop prosecuting?)

The CIA knew precisely what they were doing was illegal, which is why some 92 interrogation tapes were destroyed after a judge requested they be saved. The Bush administration knew that what they were demanding was torture, which is why they manufactured DOJ memos to cover there respective rear ends.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:05 PM on 04/21/2009
- montestruc I'm a Fan of montestruc 4 fans permalink
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The "just following orders" defense is 100% valid until or unless you are willing to bring the writer of those orders to justice first.

If the acts were criminal, then ordering the acts was criminal, more criminal than just following orders.

Until or unless the people who ordered this done are prosecuted FIRST, it is a totally valid legal defense.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:50 PM on 04/21/2009
- GaryWolf I'm a Fan of GaryWolf 2 fans permalink

Where was all the outrage in 2006 when Dems won a majority and Pelosi stated that impeachment was off the table? Now that Obama is President, suddenly he is blamed for everything.

I think Obama's doing the smart thing. Politically, prosecuting torturers is going to open a can of worms that will derail most of his agenda and he has more important things to deal with. But in the time honored tradition of good cop/bad cop, Eric Holder and the Dept. of Justice can still investigate independently and Pres. Obama remains above the fray. Progressives can be such idealists (and I am both) that they can also become really stupid when it comes to dealing with practical realities. Because we live in an imperfect world, sometimes the right thing to do may not necessarily be the best thing to do. I know, it's a hard concept to wrap your head around.

But the prosecution of underlings who were told that legal opinion was on their side is pointless. This has to go straight to the top - and you just know that Dick Cheney was behind this. Anything less than his indictment is a waste of time.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:27 PM on 04/20/2009

JZ

Your spelling of reputation sapped all credulity from your divine opinions.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:52 PM on 04/20/2009

Doesn't the CIA function to serve the President of the United States? As with Cheney's unusual trips to Langley , in the midst of the mushroom cloud propaganda machine, to leverage their intel, so to does the torture operation seems to be cut from the same treasonous cloth. A special prosecutor should be named. Obama can be president while justice is done. Past is prologue.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:40 PM on 04/20/2009
- 23e45 I'm a Fan of 23e45 4 fans permalink

Part 2

Now you say.... But the offical story was.... Forget that.. It's the same line from those that told you that torture was legal.....­.and then everyone fell on the bandwagon.­.. As long as they went to work and then sat in front of the televisions for the 6 oclock news, it was nothing more to them then watchng a movie.

The Geneva Convention was made to protect those soldiers in war who got captured and or who were wonded. ... Oh I forgot Those who didn't agree with Bush were on the terroists side. Hmmmm
Hey put fear into American people hearts and they will believe anything. And thats what he did and most of everyone ate it up just like candy. The more he propelled the poo poo, the more affaid people got and allowing him to do anything he wanted to do. The US has been charged with human rights violations, war crimes, and other crimes... and has been found guilty....­.. Please don't believe me .... The proof is there.

I too have believed in the Dream that Obama promised about change... But the statement about not prosecuting those that did the torture when he knows what the law is ( not Bush's law) is truley shameful.

Why would I want to go fight for this country knowing that even our own country doesn't up hold the law.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:01 PM on 04/20/2009
- 23e45 I'm a Fan of 23e45 4 fans permalink

Part 1

We talk about torture and where is the ACCOUNTABI­LITY..... Hmmmmm Well they will not prosecute thoses responicible for the same reason they won't prosecute those who slammed those airplanes into the twin towers. Terrosist you say.... Did this..... No again I think not.... Hmmm I find it strange that the BBC in England was announcing 23 minutes before Building 7 came down that the the building had collasped.
Yep.... Thats right... The female reporter was being filmed live in New York and it aired all across Europe telling everyone how that, that building had also destroyed. But if you looked behind her and over her shoulder the Building was still standing..­.. for 23 minutes she reported how they had been to the site and how the building had almost killed several people but no one got killed from that building. Hmmmmm

Strange tho they lost the feed to the reporter from New York after the building started to fall..

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:46 PM on 04/20/2009

What is the difference between (a) Obama rejecting prosecution of torturers and those who sanctioned torture, and (b) Nixon pardoning Lt Calley for his part in the My Lai massacre?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:25 PM on 04/20/2009
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Nixon could go to China and do things that those on the left couldn't do. If he weren't so scurrilous himself, he'd have been the perfect candidate to prosecute those(including himself) for torture. Virtually all law enforcement and military issue will be put on the back-burner with Obama. No major changes with happen regarding the drug war, intelligence agencies(CIA, FBI, NSA), defence industries, mercenaries, and no large scale prosecutions of torture within any of them or at the top. Obama is already watched with suspicion among the aforementioned government or security related agencies, so he's treading very lightly apon all of them. I don't blame him.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:08 PM on 04/20/2009

Big difference, there was trial for Calley which all the information was aired. This is just a cover-up.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:50 AM on 04/21/2009
- 23e45 I'm a Fan of 23e45 4 fans permalink

Hmmmm President being Blackmaile­d.........­.. Now thats a new one. No Sir! I will not touch on that one...

Someone here wrote... Using torture was wrongheaded, hypocritical, inhumane and a complete failure. I was outraged at the hypocrisy of these acts.

Welll Were you now? Really? I am not trying to get an arguement here... But I don't think that the above sentence is true.... for you it might have been true but Not for a lot of people...

The U.S. Has a History of Using Torture
http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=viewArticle&code=MCC20061207&articleId=4066

There is so much that you do not know..... I could argue for a lifetime and show you with proof and you still would not believe what I showed you... You could not...

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:16 PM on 04/20/2009
- sej100 I'm a Fan of sej100 27 fans permalink

Change you can believe in also means that the LAW is not just for the little people BUT for ALL including those who run for office and obtain HIGH government positions.

It is disgraceful that low ranking enlisted men and women suffered court martials while those who wrote the doctrine, gave the signals and the orders and planned the events remain rewarded, with more and more speaking engagements and monetary benefits.

Change I can believe in means the law serves all people and all must answer accordingly.

THE GOP would never fail to go after a democrat. Why are the democrats so afraid to carry out the law?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:35 PM on 04/20/2009
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My concern is rather for GINGRICH'S CONSTANT BABBLE about released documents. On that I say, Newt, bring it on. Democrats will be happy. Newt of course will never be President. Is there anything that Obama does that pleases Mr. Gingrich? He railed and raged against Obama regarding the piracy issue. Like McCain, Newt preferred the mantra of "bomb, bomb, bomb"—to start a war the US can ill-afford to fight right now in the Horn of Africa. When Obama's approach succeeded and still saved the Captain’s life--and indeed produced the desired result with little cost--we didn't hear any apology from Newt. He is careless with his words--and does very little thinking before he opens his mouth. My sense is that beyond his opportunism and constant political posturing, he seems to have a personal hatred of Obama, a black man in the White House. Just think of his vicious attitude and words toward this President who is facing so many heavy-duty problems and daily working hard for the American people. If Newt and the Republicans had held Mr. Bush with the same standard they now hold Obama, we could not have descended into the current abyss of economic decline, weakened military position and tattered reputation abroad. We are never going to go back for choice of leaders to "leaders" like Newt Gingrich. The touch has been passed to a new generation of American. The question is: does Newt know this? Will he ever?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:45 PM on 04/20/2009
- Rule Of Law I'm a Fan of Rule Of Law 146 fans permalink

"Speaking of, Emanuel asserts that torture has been a) banned to provide for a more effective anti-terror policy, b) improves our standing with the world we want and need to help fight terror, and c) didn't expose anything our enemies didn't already suspect.

Oooh. Rahm has maybe dropped something accidentally definitive here. Asked about prosecutions, he starts to answer that the field agents who carried out the techniques should not be prosecuted, and that this is the belief of the president. GS asks, "What about the people who designed the policies?" And Rahm says that the President doesn't support their prosecution either. This shuts a door that was left open by the White House last week, in which the potential prosecution of the people who constructed the torture regime was still on the table. Now it appears that it's not. That's big news."

WHAT ELSE DO WE NEED TO KNOW?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:28 PM on 04/20/2009
- mitsie I'm a Fan of mitsie 54 fans permalink
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If we prosecute the CIA staff who did the torture we blow their careers and place them, their famalies, and other staff in danger of their lives. For what to testify against the people who made the rules? No this isn't fair, these people were following orders and people want to destroy them. Let Congress intervene and hold hearings on the people who wrote the memo's.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:24 PM on 04/20/2009

There were many who left out of principles, they are out and the unprincipled ones are getting the "heckuva job Brownie Award. How is that fair?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:53 AM on 04/21/2009

We depended on these people to keep our country safe, and now, liberals want to hang them. This sinks to new depths of oblivion.

Ever your messiah has enough sense not to do anything stupid with this situation but you left fielders just can't seem to grasp reality. I have never witnessed such an abyss if stupidity.

My disgust with libs grows even deeper.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:03 PM on 04/20/2009
- ObamAtomic I'm a Fan of ObamAtomic 142 fans permalink
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Hey hold your horses,we do not want the executors,we know they were following orders.
We want to bring to justice ,the author intellectuals,the generals,lawyers that's all,
the ones that knew that with theirs voices and stroke of the pens were violating the law of the USA.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:50 PM on 04/20/2009
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