Dimon: Iraq War, Greed Contributed To Economic Collapse

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04/20/09 04:50 PM

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JPMorgan Chairman and CEO Jamie Dimon, in a letter to shareholders, touched on a theme that critics of the Iraq war were highlighting more than a year ago: That spending on the war was damaging to the economy.

Dimon cited "an expensive war in Iraq" as one of the possible triggers of the economic collapse. Spending on the war ballooned the deficit and crowded out investment in domestic priorities. Meanwhile, the trade deficit soared.

"I suspect when analysts and economists study the fundamental causes of this crisis, they will point to the enormous U.S. trade deficit as one of the main underlying culprits. Over an eight-year period, the United Sates ran a trade deficit of $3 trillion. This means that Americans bought $3 trillion more than they sold overseas. Dollars were used to pay for the goods. Foreign countries took these dollars and purchased, for the most part, U.S. Treasuries and mortgage-backed securities. It also is likely that this process kept U.S. interest rates very low, even beyond Federal Reserve policy, for an extended period of time."

Those depressed interest rates, in turn, pushed air into the housing bubble until it popped.

Dimon also cites the 2008 energy crisis as a shock to the economy that played a part in bringing it down. The energy crisis may still have occurred without the instability in the Middle East caused by the U.S. invasion, but with Iraq's oil supply knocked off-line for years, it didn't help.

Dimon also places some of the blame for the crisis on greed for ever-higher profits, which he refers to as "irrational pressure...to show increasingly better returns." The system he's referring to -- which pressures companies to steadily increase returns due to the cost of capital -- is called capitalism.

"Many other factors may have added to this storm -- an expensive war in Iraq, short-selling, high energy prices, and irrational pressure on corporations, money managers and hedge funds to show increasingly better returns," offered Dimon.

"The modern financial world has had its first major financial crisis. So far, many major actors are gone: many of the mortgage brokers, numerous hedge funds, Wachovia, WaMu, Bear Stearns, Lehman and many others. Some of the survivors are struggling, particularly as we face a truly global, massive recession -- and it still is not over," he wrote.

Read his analysis in his letter to shareholders (PDF). If you find anything else noteworthy, let me know at ryan@huffingtonpost.com.

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JPMorgan Chairman and CEO Jamie Dimon, in a letter to shareholders, touched on a theme that critics of the Iraq war were highlighting more than a year ago: That spending on the war was damaging to the...
JPMorgan Chairman and CEO Jamie Dimon, in a letter to shareholders, touched on a theme that critics of the Iraq war were highlighting more than a year ago: That spending on the war was damaging to the...
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- mmgbizgirl I'm a Fan of mmgbizgirl 20 fans permalink
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Ya think? You'd know.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:11 AM on 04/21/2009
- dutch163 I'm a Fan of dutch163 33 fans permalink
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well, duh..it didn't help
and keeping the cost of the war hidden as Bush & co did...well, just more deception

but the deregulation and greed were major components

I agree :Bush wanted this war one way or another
also I saw for years that it could lead to our decline..it mirrored the history of other countries
the parallels to Spain and Felipe II in the 1500's were strong
what is the saying: those who do not learn from history......etc

lots to be corrected here now
lets see if we can do it

and where is Phil Gramm these days?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:07 AM on 04/21/2009
- hollybork I'm a Fan of hollybork 65 fans permalink

Jamie Dimon is one executive who gets it. He controlled the risk in his company, he has kept it competitive and he has appropriate expectations.He is one of the few.

I wish he were advising the treasury secretary instead of Goldman Sachs.

Dimon sees where this is heading, and it is a scary place. If other bankers don't wake up soon, the government will have to take over the banks. Dimon has mature and stable judgment and recognizes where the road to greed will lead eventually as the economy goes through more meltdowns. The American people will not tolerate the bankers continuing business as usual when they are losing their jobs, then their healthcare, then their homes and savings. The dynamic of power in this economy is shifting right before our eyes.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:01 AM on 04/21/2009
- Carolab I'm a Fan of Carolab 426 fans permalink
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Heaven protect us all from more of Mr. Dimon's great ideas.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:18 PM on 04/21/2009
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"Americans bought $3 trillion more than they sold overseas."

... that FACT is the reason we should END so-called Free Trade.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:57 AM on 04/21/2009
- olmossy I'm a Fan of olmossy 17 fans permalink

Since this is about our economy, I want to get other opinions .
In the recent past when the Soviet Union's economy collapsed after a failed war, and unrest on their borders. Conseratives boasted that their collapse proved that capitilism had vanquished socialism.
So what does the collapse of the Western World's capitalist economies prove about Capitalist, " Free Markets" free traders?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:34 AM on 04/21/2009
- Hirnlego I'm a Fan of Hirnlego 115 fans permalink
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Thatcher said "The problem with socialism is that you eventually run out of other people's money."

Well, you could do that in a more capitalistic system too.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:44 AM on 04/21/2009
- Peter007 I'm a Fan of Peter007 38 fans permalink
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We don't have a free capitalist system. It has some components of capitalism and other components of socialism. Our "Free market" system is not free. It is heavily regulated and works well for those that have direct access to politicians. Most banking is done with the 5 largest banks. When the treasury department meets to write new banking laws, its the 5 largest banks that write the laws.
Most people think that the congress writes the laws regulating industry. Its the industry that writes the laws to benefit themselves and protect them from competition from newer , start up companies.
You can't make a move in this country without a permit or license. We are more similar to the Soviet style than most people think.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:49 AM on 04/21/2009
- olmossy I'm a Fan of olmossy 17 fans permalink

If what your say is true Peter , and we are paying taxes to a government that is being controled by business (international? foriegn governments?), then the American Revolution started in 1776 has been defeated. Because we are submitting to taxation without representation. If the fed, and treasury and the SEC, and AIG and JPM are really all just one then we are really their slaves. We are working for them not vice versa.
Will they tolerate us once we stop being profitable to them ?

Has anyone come up with a way out of this ? Boy we could sure use a Ghandi or a Ben Franklin right now.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:11 PM on 04/21/2009

Thanks for admitting what we already figured out. You can't sustain a war for so many years, ship jobs overseas, bring in visa workers from other countries and allow the foxes to guard the chicken coop and suffer devastating losses. We need to be a bit easier on Obama as he tries to dig us out. We all know that it takes money to make money, and we're talking serious losses!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:20 AM on 04/21/2009
- Kindheart I'm a Fan of Kindheart 10 fans permalink

Total agreement with Mr. Dimon, only he was part of the greed of Wall Street.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:58 AM on 04/21/2009

Dear Jamie Dimon,
The enormous trade deficit permitted the corporate greed to pump up their global earnings by having the naive consumers" borrow and spend their savings. The executives didn't pass it on to the shareholders or employees. They could write tons of stock options awards, bonuses along with safe severance agreements as reward for destroying the USA corporations, and society. Taking full advantage as Robber Barons & Oligarchs do by selling their stock options and registered stock grants. They printed excessively for themselves and sold them in public markets into our pension plans, index funds, mutual funds. The trade deficit created excessive earnings and leveraged the profits, then they could skim off massive Global earning profits. They ended up with mega salaries from what you called the three trillion dollar trade deficit. One hundred million as a salary. Bill Gates well he is in the billion class. It is not only the Federal Reserve that likes to print money!

For years no one said anything. They went crazy with their empowerment and greed. Greenspan gave them a safetynet to work with, the Govt, SEC, gave their blessing. They leveraged whatever they could to temporarily push up earnings and fees. The trillions of derivative fees from their egomania.

In addition, America - who cares just the elderly, middle class and poor. The executives, politicians, lawyers etc had, and are having a ball dancing around us, and they still are snatching whatever they can.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:52 AM on 04/21/2009

Dear Jamie Dimon,
The enormous trade deficit permitted the corporate greed to pump up their global earnings by having the naive consumers’ borrow and spend their savings. The executives didn't pass it on to the shareholders or employees. They could wrote tons of stock options awards, bonuses along with safe severance agreements as reward for destroying the USA corporations, and society. Taking full advantage as Robber Barons & Oligarchs do by selling their stock options and registered stock grants. They printed excessively for themselves and sold them in public markets into our pension’s plans, index funds, mutual funds. The trade deficit created excessive earnings and leveraged the those profits then they could skim off massive Global earning profits. They ended up with mega salaries from what you called the three trillion dollar trade deficit. One hundred million as a salary. Bill Gates well he is in the billion class. It is not only the Federal Reserve that likes to print money!

For years no one said anything. They went crazy with their empowerment and greed. Greenspan gave them a safetynet to work with, the Govt, SEC, gave their blessing. They leveraged whatever they could to temporarily push up earnings and fees. The trillions of derivative fees from their egomania.

In addition, America - who cares just the elderly, middle class and poor. The executives, politicians, lawyers etc had, and are having a ball dancing around us, and they still are snatching whatever they can.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:47 AM on 04/21/2009
- metalpipe I'm a Fan of metalpipe 11 fans permalink
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I am still waiting for names to be applied to the 'entrenched interests' that Axelrod recently spoke of regarding the Obama admin's troubles dealing with the recovery. I am tired of the vague generalities they keep handing us.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:51 AM on 04/21/2009
- Macready I'm a Fan of Macready 64 fans permalink

of course the illegal invasion of Iraq contributed to the financial collapse . . . we all knew that . . that is no big surprise . . . I have just been very surprised that most of the time it hasn't been mentioned as a major factor in the financial collapse and it is still ongoing

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:02 AM on 04/21/2009
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That's why Bush and Cheney kept the total cost of the Iraq war off the books. Bush came into office with the goal to avenge his father. Unfortunately 9/11 happened to the world( we all grieved) and Bush saw in opening. Mark my words, the war in Iraq was going to happen under his watch, one way or the other.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:22 AM on 04/21/2009
- olmossy I'm a Fan of olmossy 17 fans permalink

Got to agree. Without 9-11 to rally people around the 'commander in chief,' bush would have been seen for what he really was a lot sooner.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:40 AM on 04/21/2009
- dutch163 I'm a Fan of dutch163 33 fans permalink
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yes, it seems almost too obvious, doesn't it
it couldn't have helped!
but it is only a part

the deregulation and greed are big components

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:03 AM on 04/21/2009
- abby4ever I'm a Fan of abby4ever 264 fans permalink
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New main.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:02 AM on 04/21/2009
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Summary of Barosky Report:

TARP=20 Criminal Probes=Securities Fraud+Tax Violations+Insider Trading

Barofsky 247-page report=released in Washington today
Neil Barofsky=Special Inspector General overseeing the TARP
Total fraud=$10's Billions
TARP=Treasury+FED=Heavy Price of fraud against taxpayers
Barofsky=Questions Ability of TARP to stabilize Financial System
Barofsky=Complex nature of TARP="inherently vulnerable to fraud, waste, & abuse”
TARP=Conflicts of interest, participant collusion, and money laundering
Barofsky report=Alert for potential scams=obtaining bailout under false pretenses
FRAUD=Bilking government=Phony Mortgage Modifications
FRAUD=Tax Cheating
Barofsky=Few corrupt managers+Compensation tied TARP+Collusion or Kickback Scheme.
Barofsky focus=Stop toxic securities buying from banks/investment groups
Congress+Consumer Advocates=Outrage about Findings of Corruption
Tom Coburn="I would guess that 20 investigations... is only the tip of the iceberg."
Barofsky=Wants Treasury Department to have greater transparency & greater fraud protections
Kashkari=Letter dated April 14=Recommendations would be "considered"=WHAT?
$750Billion morphed=12 programs covering $3 trillion in direct spending, loans/loan guarantees $3Trillion=equal to about annual federal budget
TARP=helps banks, insurers, brokerages, auto companies, car parts makers, homeowners
Riskiest Operation=Toxic Asset Purchase=Term Asset-Backed Securities Loan Facility, TALF
TALF=Original Purpose expand consumer lending for autos, student loans, other types of credit
TALF Instead=Buy Banks Bad Loans+Buy Bundled Loans/Derivatives
TALF Instead=buyers Collude to Manipulate Prices/Extract Kickbacks, government takes risk
Barofsky="Potential for pricing fixing & collusion greater as government doesn't control players
Rep. Sherman, CPA=Taxpayers take all risk, zero control, and only 50% of profits.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:45 AM on 04/21/2009
- Carolab I'm a Fan of Carolab 426 fans permalink
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Riskiest Operation=Toxic Asset Purchase=Term Asset-Backed Securities Loan Facility

Absolutely. TSLF is a real dumping ground for their junk onto us.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:51 AM on 04/21/2009
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They are m0derating sever1y on Barosky page!
Had many rejects! Must be very bad! Wiped out many of my comments on other pages!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:57 AM on 04/21/2009
- Carolab I'm a Fan of Carolab 426 fans permalink
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Crony capitalism " better known as corporatist fascism " marches on. The looting continues with wild abandon before the S.S. America goes under. Wait until US Treasury and Agency losses their AAA ratings. The Ponzi scheme gets a little more unwound.

Professionals, never mind the public, have no concept of how buried in bad debt and derivatives banks, Wall Street and corporate America are. Overall debt is 40 times assets.

The public doesn"t understand that AIG took client premiums and used them as collateral to become derivatives dealers. GM and GE did the same thing and we are bailing them all out. GE would have gone under last month if Warren Buffett hadn"t come to the rescue. AIG is being bailed out by you the American taxpayer as is GE and GM.

These are the same characters, along with the Fed, BIS, IMF, the Counterparty Risk Management Group, the US Treasury"s Exchange Stabilization und and the President"s Working Group on Financial Markets, which are manipulating world markets. There have been no free markets for years.

http://news.goldseek.com/InternationalForecaster/1226875353.php

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:42 AM on 04/21/2009
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Summary: CarolAB Research Efforts

Reasons for Bailouts=Save Derivatives Industry and JPM+Goldman

Hybrid Banks=Ask $Billions in bailouts
Hybrid Banks=Keep bailouts&form Insider Trading Circle to Manipulate Market=good old boys
Paulson/Geithner=Doesn't ask where money is after dole out, Banks show money on books
Nobody KNOWS=Worth of banks’ derivatives/CDOs
Hybrid Banks=lose funds market gambling, back to Geithner more bailouts, claim Toxic Losses
Hybrid Banks=Manipulate 30 stocks in DJIA=$300Billion goes long way
Plunge Protection Team=PPT=Pulls MONEY strings through gov bailouts=manipulate DJIA PPT Manipulation=Goldman+ JP Morgan+Citi+BofA+other Big Banks
FED=Give entire Mortgage Market=JPM+Goldman
FED=Printed Money to JPM to buy BearStrns before bankruptcy=Bear Shareholders Lost Shirts
FED=gave JPM $138B after Lehman's bankruptcy for component sale to German Bank
FDIC+FED=Gave JPM $Billions in takeover of WaMu and gave FDIC WaMu's NYC banks.
WaMu=sued JPM March 20+JPM sued FDIC and WaMu.
Geithner=Central Figure in JPM+Bear Sterns use $29Billion NY FED loan
JPM+Dimon=manipulated crisis into being=brought down BearStearns&Lehman
JPM+Dimon=accused by WS rivals of final blow forcing Lehman Brothers bankruptcy
JPM+Dimon=Spark colossal future legal battle
JPM+Dimon= Froze $17 billion belonging to Lehman Friday before failure
Lehman’s biggest creditor=Freeze precipitated liquidity crisis/Chapter 11
Frantic efforts Criminal Class=Falling Apart!

JPM=Jekyll Island Meeting+Founded Federal Reserve
1907 original JPM=Funded bailout of troubled institutions to prevent a panic
1907 JPM auditor Benjamin Strong=JPM Noth'in New 2008=play to win on every throw of dice
1910 Jekyll Island=Pilgrims=JPM, Baker, Rockefeller, others
Pilgrims=Presidents of NY FED=1914-1979
NY FED=Likely owned by Pilgrims

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:04 AM on 04/21/2009
- Carolab I'm a Fan of Carolab 426 fans permalink
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Correction: Lehman's assets were sold to Barclay's, an English (not German) bank -- which then got a backdoor bailout through AIG, on top of the $138 Billion that got passed from the Fed back to Lehman through JPM after Lehman's bankruptcy.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:24 PM on 04/21/2009
- jinxed I'm a Fan of jinxed 35 fans permalink
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its all the same banksters time after time ... they are too big ... it is time to break these financial institutions apart and sell them off. The "too big to fail" means TOO BIG, PERIOD!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:04 AM on 04/21/2009

How much does he get paid to actually speak the truth? This is proof positive why none of these fools (i.e. ANY CEO) should get paid more than the President of the USA, including stock options. They're just doing their job.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:04 AM on 04/21/2009
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Nonsense, Jamie. You and yours caused this debacle, plain and simple.
Greed and corruption... Plain and simple.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:24 AM on 04/21/2009
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