Dimon: Iraq War, Greed Contributed To Economic Collapse

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JPMorgan Chairman and CEO Jamie Dimon, in a letter to shareholders, touched on a theme that critics of the Iraq war were highlighting more than a year ago: That spending on the war was damaging to the economy.

Dimon cited "an expensive war in Iraq" as one of the possible triggers of the economic collapse. Spending on the war ballooned the deficit and crowded out investment in domestic priorities. Meanwhile, the trade deficit soared.

"I suspect when analysts and economists study the fundamental causes of this crisis, they will point to the enormous U.S. trade deficit as one of the main underlying culprits. Over an eight-year period, the United Sates ran a trade deficit of $3 trillion. This means that Americans bought $3 trillion more than they sold overseas. Dollars were used to pay for the goods. Foreign countries took these dollars and purchased, for the most part, U.S. Treasuries and mortgage-backed securities. It also is likely that this process kept U.S. interest rates very low, even beyond Federal Reserve policy, for an extended period of time."

Those depressed interest rates, in turn, pushed air into the housing bubble until it popped.

Dimon also cites the 2008 energy crisis as a shock to the economy that played a part in bringing it down. The energy crisis may still have occurred without the instability in the Middle East caused by the U.S. invasion, but with Iraq's oil supply knocked off-line for years, it didn't help.

Dimon also places some of the blame for the crisis on greed for ever-higher profits, which he refers to as "irrational pressure...to show increasingly better returns." The system he's referring to -- which pressures companies to steadily increase returns due to the cost of capital -- is called capitalism.

"Many other factors may have added to this storm -- an expensive war in Iraq, short-selling, high energy prices, and irrational pressure on corporations, money managers and hedge funds to show increasingly better returns," offered Dimon.

"The modern financial world has had its first major financial crisis. So far, many major actors are gone: many of the mortgage brokers, numerous hedge funds, Wachovia, WaMu, Bear Stearns, Lehman and many others. Some of the survivors are struggling, particularly as we face a truly global, massive recession -- and it still is not over," he wrote.

Read his analysis in his letter to shareholders (PDF). If you find anything else noteworthy, let me know at ryan@huffingtonpost.com.

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JPMorgan Chairman and CEO Jamie Dimon, in a letter to shareholders, touched on a theme that critics of the Iraq war were highlighting more than a year ago: That spending on the war was damaging to the...
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- ethancorso I'm a Fan of ethancorso 242 fans permalink
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The guy looks almost exactly like Chuck Hagel.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:58 PM on 04/20/2009
- lynnn I'm a Fan of lynnn 42 fans permalink

I was thinking that.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:04 AM on 04/21/2009
- doneflyin I'm a Fan of doneflyin 33 fans permalink

[slaps hand to forehead]

I'm shocked, I tell you shocked! I had nooo idea! Brilliant deduction, just brilliant.

Give that man a HUGE bonus.

Actually I gotta give the guy credit for saying things that NOBODY wants to talk about. The oligarchs will not be pleased with his candor. The reception at The Club will be decidedly chilly.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:47 PM on 04/20/2009
- spinns17 I'm a Fan of spinns17 48 fans permalink

can they still afford the club.you do know they took a paycut.lol

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:05 AM on 04/21/2009
- doneflyin I'm a Fan of doneflyin 33 fans permalink

Oh, they can always afford The Club. They see to that.
I don't think their pay cuts have been as much as ours have been these last 20 years.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:17 AM on 04/21/2009
- Bambaya I'm a Fan of Bambaya 4 fans permalink
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Please check this and vote
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/29493093/

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:45 PM on 04/20/2009
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Good Evening

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:37 PM on 04/20/2009
- Anciano I'm a Fan of Anciano 17 fans permalink
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Not just Iraq, all "defense" spending = 56% of federal discretionary dollars.
http://www.nationalpriorities.org/

Then there's the ongoing charade of Afghanistan:

http://www.atimes.com/atimes/Central_Asia/KC26Ag01.html

Liquid war: Welcome to Pipelineistan By Pepe Escobar
What happens on the immense battlefield for the control of Eurasia will provide the ultimate plot line in the tumultuous rush towards a new, polycentric world order, also known as the New Great Game. Our good ol' friend the nonsensical "global war on terror", which the Pentagon has slyly rebranded "the Long War", sports a far more important, if half-hidden, twin - a global energy war. I like to think of it as the Liquid War, because its bloodstream is the pipelines that crisscross the potential imperial battlefields of the planet. Put another way, if its crucial embattled frontier these days is the Caspian Basin, the whole of Eurasia is its chessboard. Think of it, geographically, as Pipelineistan.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:33 PM on 04/20/2009
- pjean I'm a Fan of pjean 12 fans permalink

Oh my gosh, he is actually speaking the truth but he forgot how the financial market and corporate greed contributed to this as well.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:28 PM on 04/20/2009
- chronic I'm a Fan of chronic 71 fans permalink
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I think that goes under "greed".

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:02 AM on 04/21/2009
- HumeSkeptic I'm a Fan of HumeSkeptic 1626 fans permalink
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Ch-en-ey changed my mind.
I'm now for waterboarding. But for just this one person, repeatedly.
And I would hire an Iraqi to do it.
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    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:26 PM on 04/20/2009
- Grannysue I'm a Fan of Grannysue 133 fans permalink
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Hey sparky what gave you the first clue??

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:14 PM on 04/20/2009
- HumeSkeptic I'm a Fan of HumeSkeptic 1626 fans permalink
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LOL.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:17 PM on 04/20/2009
- spinns17 I'm a Fan of spinns17 48 fans permalink

we / i have seen the light.lol

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:03 AM on 04/21/2009

Don`t forget about the Billions sent over to Iraq on pallet , after pallet , after pallet ....... Wheres Bremer ? How about getting some of that money back from Dick Cheney `s cronies ? Like Halliburton . How about those crooks at Blackwater ?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:57 PM on 04/20/2009
- spinns17 I'm a Fan of spinns17 48 fans permalink

missed one .the carlyle group .lol

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:11 AM on 04/21/2009
- scampy123 I'm a Fan of scampy123 3 fans permalink

And this is the CEO who hired the war criminal Blair who helped start the illegal Iraq war as a consultant?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:56 PM on 04/20/2009
- Viper I'm a Fan of Viper 297 fans permalink

And a majority of Americans hired BUSH in 2004... and a lot voted for him in 2000

Who is more at fault?

Regards

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:14 PM on 04/20/2009
- HumeSkeptic I'm a Fan of HumeSkeptic 1626 fans permalink
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Republicans, that's who. Those sumsabichess!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:19 PM on 04/20/2009
- spinns17 I'm a Fan of spinns17 48 fans permalink

not me lol

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:08 AM on 04/21/2009
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Think again, dear. The plantation has merely morphed into different forms. Sad but true.
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Reply HumeSkeptic

Very true. However, I think we should claim some progress over the centuries. No?
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Of course we should, but at the same time, we cannot afford ourselves the luxury of intellectual slumber. We must acknowledge what we see and make knowledge from it.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:47 PM on 04/20/2009
- HumeSkeptic I'm a Fan of HumeSkeptic 1626 fans permalink
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Absolutely. That''s why we have smart and conscientious people like you around.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:56 PM on 04/20/2009
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I have uploaded a new photo. I hope it will not take too long to appear. Just so you know, everyone tells me I look like President Obama's maternal half sister. ;-)

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:25 PM on 04/20/2009
- HumeSkeptic I'm a Fan of HumeSkeptic 1626 fans permalink
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I wish we had a sexual crisis instead of an economic crisis. That would be more fun to discuss.
I find this bank and insurance business boring.
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    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:46 PM on 04/20/2009
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Have you been out with friends this evening? ;-)

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:48 PM on 04/20/2009
- HumeSkeptic I'm a Fan of HumeSkeptic 1626 fans permalink
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I'm just bored talking about banks.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:57 PM on 04/20/2009
- zius I'm a Fan of zius 74 fans permalink
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well.... i try to learn something from it .....i need a good book about economics. ... what would you recomend!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:55 PM on 04/20/2009
- HumeSkeptic I'm a Fan of HumeSkeptic 1626 fans permalink
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Ask Viper. I have never finished reading a book on economics. I get distracted by other more important things.

Someone gave me a copy of Das Kapital as a gift. So, I started reading it. And, as it turns out, it is pretty scientific, not the nonsense I hear on TV. That is the only reason I read it, and grasped probably about a tenth of it. Just enough to post some BS on it.
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    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:05 PM on 04/20/2009
- Viper I'm a Fan of Viper 297 fans permalink

Just go naked to a southern Baptist church.. problem solved...

Big story on FOX in minutes.

Regards

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:15 PM on 04/20/2009
- lornejl I'm a Fan of lornejl 647 fans permalink
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BigDick is being protected by HP, again.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:41 PM on 04/20/2009
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I noticed. I just offered him a double bacon cheeseburger.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:44 PM on 04/20/2009
- ChiGuy I'm a Fan of ChiGuy 339 fans permalink
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This comment is pending approval and blah, blah, blah.....

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:48 PM on 04/20/2009
- HumeSkeptic I'm a Fan of HumeSkeptic 1626 fans permalink
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I declare Viper the Official HP Economist.
This guy makes sense. Always.

But, then, I know diidly da-m-n about economics, and care even less (until a disaster like the present one happens).

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:35 PM on 04/20/2009
- lornejl I'm a Fan of lornejl 647 fans permalink
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We are all economists now.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:36 PM on 04/20/2009
- HumeSkeptic I'm a Fan of HumeSkeptic 1626 fans permalink
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Speak for yourself. And watch your tongue.
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    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:41 PM on 04/20/2009
- Viper I'm a Fan of Viper 297 fans permalink

Thanks but no thanks. Its been too long since my economics courses and I'm a retired CPA.. for 20 years now.

I feel about economist the same way I do about physicist... lots of theory, often brilliant.. but they never have actually built/run anything.

I find my self having to in part take the banks side .. since they seem to have become IRAQ/Saddam on 911 or the equavalence of Hitler targeting the Jews...

Banks are part of the problem... but there were many parts of this and this did not happen w/o the complicity of the American people for the past 30 years. In finding one villian as mobs do, it distracts us form all the causes and of course makes us feel good about ourselves.. since we are now innocent since it all the BANKs fault, when we all have to really know we are not innoccent, just not as quilty!

And some one has to stop this idea that a down stock market is good, more asset devalution is good and that some how anyone is isolated from the effects becuase they dont own stock....

Or that banks writing off more assets, solves any problem. In cash basis accounting, it changes nothing.

lehamns caused the devaluation of a ton of assets. and that cost us 3 trillion. Thats not making things better as Krugman pretends to be the result.

Regards

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:55 PM on 04/20/2009
- HumeSkeptic I'm a Fan of HumeSkeptic 1626 fans permalink
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That's the reason I respect what you write. It's not ideology driven. It is fact driven. But even beyond that, you have an excellent grasp of fundamental concepts. That is why you are able to present things in a way that even I can understand. And that happens in all disciplines, the really knowledgeable people can present things quite simply, because they know the essence of things.
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    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:09 PM on 04/20/2009
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I feelya economists and their "one hand or the other hand", politicians with their "my side or the other side", pundits espousing clueless drivel, screw these fools. I stand HERE, if you don't like it push me off.

If you don't stand for anything you fall for everything.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:19 PM on 04/20/2009
- MIKEinNYC I'm a Fan of MIKEinNYC 68 fans permalink
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When you spend money on the war in Iraq or the space program or Afghanistan or other such expenditures, the bulk of that money is spent right here in the USA paying people and buying stuff. Jobs are provided. Income is generated. People have money to spend. Stuff is bought. Income and sales taxes are levied. Most of that money stays right here in America.

Sorry to sound callous but spending money on the war is not as economically disastrous as some people think.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:34 PM on 04/20/2009
- Palmz I'm a Fan of Palmz 202 fans permalink
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BLOOD MONEY !!

Might as well go sell D.O.P.E.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:38 PM on 04/20/2009
- FrTown I'm a Fan of FrTown 17 fans permalink
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So explain where did all the billions of $$$ spend on the vvar go?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:44 PM on 04/20/2009
- zius I'm a Fan of zius 74 fans permalink
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most of the money goes to logistics on the battlefield ....................plus you forget the social effects of w ar...single moms... etc

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:45 PM on 04/20/2009
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And the long term aftercare of our service people. Those costs are skyrocketing as we type.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:51 PM on 04/20/2009
- Viper I'm a Fan of Viper 297 fans permalink

Wrong... a lot of the military money goes out of this country. We cant even supply are own bullets now. 700 foreign bases in 250 Countries.

Military spending is the lowest return of all spending basically.

You pay money to build an asset that gets blown up if its used. And then we pay to rebuild whats blown up. Its worse that the equivalent of a public works project that pays one person to dih a while and another to fill it, especillay when done outside our own country...

The use of military assets does not generate the income to replace or repaid the assets.. as in the case of an investment in a plant that makes circuit boards.. you invest an initial sum and it will produce the income to keep it running. A jet produces no income flow or payback.

Its an insurance policy on which we over pay given we are 22% of the worlds GDP, but spend more than all other nations combined.

Regards
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    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:22 PM on 04/20/2009
- Merckx I'm a Fan of Merckx 24 fans permalink
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Viper is dead on correct with this.
Military spending is always a negative.
This is not an antiwar opinion, just a fact.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:03 AM on 04/21/2009
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