Dimon: Iraq War, Greed Contributed To Economic Collapse

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JPMorgan Chairman and CEO Jamie Dimon, in a letter to shareholders, touched on a theme that critics of the Iraq war were highlighting more than a year ago: That spending on the war was damaging to the economy.

Dimon cited "an expensive war in Iraq" as one of the possible triggers of the economic collapse. Spending on the war ballooned the deficit and crowded out investment in domestic priorities. Meanwhile, the trade deficit soared.

"I suspect when analysts and economists study the fundamental causes of this crisis, they will point to the enormous U.S. trade deficit as one of the main underlying culprits. Over an eight-year period, the United Sates ran a trade deficit of $3 trillion. This means that Americans bought $3 trillion more than they sold overseas. Dollars were used to pay for the goods. Foreign countries took these dollars and purchased, for the most part, U.S. Treasuries and mortgage-backed securities. It also is likely that this process kept U.S. interest rates very low, even beyond Federal Reserve policy, for an extended period of time."

Those depressed interest rates, in turn, pushed air into the housing bubble until it popped.

Dimon also cites the 2008 energy crisis as a shock to the economy that played a part in bringing it down. The energy crisis may still have occurred without the instability in the Middle East caused by the U.S. invasion, but with Iraq's oil supply knocked off-line for years, it didn't help.

Dimon also places some of the blame for the crisis on greed for ever-higher profits, which he refers to as "irrational pressure...to show increasingly better returns." The system he's referring to -- which pressures companies to steadily increase returns due to the cost of capital -- is called capitalism.

"Many other factors may have added to this storm -- an expensive war in Iraq, short-selling, high energy prices, and irrational pressure on corporations, money managers and hedge funds to show increasingly better returns," offered Dimon.

"The modern financial world has had its first major financial crisis. So far, many major actors are gone: many of the mortgage brokers, numerous hedge funds, Wachovia, WaMu, Bear Stearns, Lehman and many others. Some of the survivors are struggling, particularly as we face a truly global, massive recession -- and it still is not over," he wrote.

Read his analysis in his letter to shareholders (PDF). If you find anything else noteworthy, let me know at ryan@huffingtonpost.com.

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JPMorgan Chairman and CEO Jamie Dimon, in a letter to shareholders, touched on a theme that critics of the Iraq war were highlighting more than a year ago: That spending on the war was damaging to the...
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- zius I'm a Fan of zius 74 fans permalink
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capitalism and free trade should not be without checks and balances ....
this is a long term profit capitalism VS a short term profit capitalism ......

short term profit capitalism...is an irresponsible capitalism... this will eventually destroy capitalism in the long term when we see that profit can no longer be made because of short sightedness.. after all profit is what justifies capitalism and is the reason of its survival.....an excellent example of this is GM it didn't look to the future and didnt care about the environment ....leading to its own demise...

responsible long term profit capitalism...and caring for the people of our society .....i call it social capitalism...morality and consciousnesses can helps make a profit in the long term...if we neglect poverty it will drag down our economic system in the long term

separating ethics and capitalism will lead to its destruction because ethic's and morals are eternal we should link our capitalism to this eternity

thanks for the inspiration hume

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:34 PM on 04/20/2009
- HumeSkeptic I'm a Fan of HumeSkeptic 1647 fans permalink
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You are welcome. I'm always here to mess things up for people. :-)

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:59 PM on 04/20/2009
- zius I'm a Fan of zius 74 fans permalink
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good...stale water gets d!rty .....i love shaking thingsup

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:04 PM on 04/20/2009
- Blukat I'm a Fan of Blukat 2 fans permalink

Folks Dicky is doing what he knows to the best spewing nonsense, and fear mongering

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:33 PM on 04/20/2009
- dems08 I'm a Fan of dems08 194 fans permalink
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The cost of the Iraq 'war' contributed to the economic disaster boosh bequeathed to us?

What an amazing revelation!!!!!

Who'd a thunk?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:26 PM on 04/20/2009
- Palmz I'm a Fan of Palmz 201 fans permalink
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Can i say this and get it off my mind, F--K David Gergen CNN and and these mo-fos who is trying to tell the president when to smile and not smile when he shake hands.

Who are these people?

I thought we were off the F--KING PLANTAT!ON!!!!!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:24 PM on 04/20/2009
- lornejl I'm a Fan of lornejl 662 fans permalink
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Seems kind of petty doesn't it.

Oh well, thats our media.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:26 PM on 04/20/2009
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Think again, dear. The plantation has merely morphed into different forms. Sad but true.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:26 PM on 04/20/2009
- HumeSkeptic I'm a Fan of HumeSkeptic 1647 fans permalink
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Very true. However, I think we should claim some progress over the centuries. No?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:42 PM on 04/20/2009
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Leave David Gergen out of your rant. He is the only talking head I listen to. After that I agree 100%. Who are these people? They are nobodies that we are supposed to believe. The "We Are The People" of the U. S. should believe the Corporate talking heads? The people who make money off of our misery should tell us what to do? Teabagging is a minimum down payment on their account.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:48 PM on 04/20/2009
- pkarnig I'm a Fan of pkarnig 12 fans permalink
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That is a totally misleading supposition. It is a red herring designed to draw attention away from the fraudulent practices that our major banks implemented over the past 8 years. They intentionally sold high risk, high profit loans in return for huge profits and personal gain. They should be brought to justice and our regulatory system needs to be reinstated to protect the interests of bank customers and the country.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:21 PM on 04/20/2009
- Viper I'm a Fan of Viper 312 fans permalink

Yes, they gave Americans credit they did not deserve and could not afford. They got stuck with bad paper and we got the cars and the houses, boats and big screens.. at least for awhile... most of whihc was not made here... but it was a jheck of a party..

They did not write these loans for the most part. Independent mortgage brokers (80%) did such as Country Wide. And all during just 4-5 year period.

If S&P and Moody's had not rated these instruments AAA, the highest rating... this would never have happened since banks and pension plans could not have traded in them..


The bigger crime is the trade deficits, outsouricng, deindustrialization.. all caused by what we bought.


Regards

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:30 PM on 04/20/2009
- Bullwinkie I'm a Fan of Bullwinkie 16 fans permalink

They purchased insurance from AIG, knowing that the value was nowhere near what they stated. If I insured my honda, claiming it to be a lamborgini, and then tried to collect, it would jail time. This is fraud, pure and simple.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:34 PM on 04/20/2009
- Viper I'm a Fan of Viper 312 fans permalink

Wait, they were worth what the market said they were worth at the time and thats what AIG insured them for...

You ,mean banks and etc should not have used a "market value"

You mean in this case the market was wrong on CDOs?

The same market that now ever one here wants to use to value the banks assets when it was as low as 10% on the doillar, while 90% were making their payments?

Remember these CDOs were valued that high because they were rated AAA by Moodys and S&P. Yet you want to blame others?

Regards.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:02 PM on 04/20/2009
- bj1000 I'm a Fan of bj1000 2 fans permalink

exactly....fire jamie....nationalize morgan....and sell it

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:31 AM on 04/21/2009

Jamie Dimon is totally right on all points. That doesn't mean he himself gets off the hook though.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:17 PM on 04/20/2009
- robadeaux I'm a Fan of robadeaux 11 fans permalink

He's right... and to a previous post...priceless!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:16 PM on 04/20/2009
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Good thing President Obama now includes the true costs of both wars so we know exactly how much the mistake in Iraq is costing us from now on, and in turn, we will be able to measure its true impact on the economy.

Funny how his budget is 300B higher than Bush's but Bush did not include those numbers. Weird.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:15 PM on 04/20/2009
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Hume,

If you are suggesting/teaching that morality and capitalism cannot coexist, you are right. In order to sell something it must first be objectified, when this happens, morality goes into exile.

Check prostitution.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:12 PM on 04/20/2009
- HumeSkeptic I'm a Fan of HumeSkeptic 1647 fans permalink
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Pure capitalism and morality are at odds. But, luckily, we don't have pure capitlism anywhere in the world. It then becomes a question of how much a society lets morality constrain capitalism. Each society (based on its culture and socioeconomic factors, etc.) must find its own formula. What might be the right mix in the U.S., might not be a good mix in India or Kenya.

That is why imposing American style capitalism on countries around the world (throuh IMF and World Bank) has often had disastrous consequences. I think. But, then, what the heck do I know about economics. :-)
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    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:25 PM on 04/20/2009
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Oh dear, you are being humble and that is warming to the spirit.

My point is that the objectification of time, the human body, and natural resources is what paves the way for our economic enterprise, known as capitalism.

When a woman, a river, time, and life itself becomes a "thing" as in devoid of any particular meaning other than market usefulness, then you have the Heidegger's description of the "modern malaise"--of which we are suffer now--economically, physically, and otherwise.

Marx was prophetic. I don't care what anyone says.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:36 PM on 04/20/2009
- Viper I'm a Fan of Viper 312 fans permalink

Correct. It is the banks and wallstreeters jobs to be greedy. And all of us are to some degree for the most part. Whether its BUSH saying you can have war, and have tax cuts at the same time or refinanicing our homes so we can buy a new car.

It is governments job in part to protect us from ourselves. In the end the government which could have stopped this at any point before it was too late, did nothing.Actually aided. Who voted for this deregulation, tax cuts and deficit spending, trade deficts ... we DID. and when we shopped... I want a cheaper car even if its built by Dollar a day labor..... then we wonder why we have to bailout what we did to ourselves!

By the way, 50 perent of americans pay no income taxes ( yes in part because only the very top are making enough money)... so only half are paying for the bailout...) while everyone complains...

We are also bailingout that 50% with foodstamps, medicaid and etc.. and that cost will also be over a trillion... not against it... but we ignore how wide scale the bailout is... Its not just wallstreet getting the money.

Regards

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:42 PM on 04/20/2009
- dentuso I'm a Fan of dentuso 428 fans permalink
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Interest (not including ANY principal) on mushrooming national debt since Bush's inauguration - $240 billion.

Cost of Iraq war - $2.9 trillion.

Total treasure/equity lost in the last 16 months - $21 trillion.

Listening to tr0IIs wanting to teabag after the last eight years - priceless.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:09 PM on 04/20/2009
- Bernique I'm a Fan of Bernique 47 fans permalink

dentuso ---Nice of you to mention the teabags -- if they only knew!!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:21 PM on 04/20/2009
- tmaxPA I'm a Fan of tmaxPA 6 fans permalink

Worst of all, those "survivors" must be broken up, because they are now even bigger than too-big-to-fail.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:05 PM on 04/20/2009
- Viper I'm a Fan of Viper 312 fans permalink

Then you will create more american businesses that cant compete in a global world... Toyota is too big too fail... Is japan going to break up Toyota so a smaller GM can compete?

Chrysler is almost too big to fail, but too small to compete alone and have the required Global economies of scale.

Is not Boeing too big too fail.. its all we have left in aircraft MFG....

Do you see Germany letting mercedes fail? Lehmans was thought to be small enough to let fail... how did that workout..not so good...

Too big too fail and nationalization are simple concepts that ignore reality.. like the fact that our companies compete against government owned and supported businesses, that by defintion cant fail,

Regards

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:16 PM on 04/20/2009
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Dimon failed to include the costs of our years in Afghanistan (at least, I didn't see any mention of it). I guess, that's not the unpopular war.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:03 PM on 04/20/2009
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We can offset that cost by selling Afghan coke to poor people. Beware of the evil GOP!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:05 PM on 04/20/2009
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What? And bust up Air America II?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:15 PM on 04/20/2009
- robadeaux I'm a Fan of robadeaux 11 fans permalink

Afghan coke? yup. An informed poulace is a dangerous... no, wait...

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:18 PM on 04/20/2009
- luke150 I'm a Fan of luke150 12 fans permalink

it's all relative. What is the cost in Afghanistan compared to the trillion and above in Iraq?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:08 PM on 04/20/2009
- SueEll I'm a Fan of SueEll 3 fans permalink

I think $4 a gallon for gas last year didn't help us out too much either. Seemed like it was all down hill from there.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:02 PM on 04/20/2009
- luke150 I'm a Fan of luke150 12 fans permalink

I don't agree with Mr. Grim's argument that: " The system he's referring to -- which pressures companies to steadily increase returns due to the cost of capital -- is called capitalism." What Dimon is referring to is the quarterly pressure to "cook" the numbers so that the analysts, and indirectly all investors, feel that it is all good. For a private enterprise there should always be some pressure to make a profit, how else will it survive? The point is, however, not to take this to an extreme by trying to meet expectations every 3 months and unfortunately that is the current system.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:01 PM on 04/20/2009
- Bullwinkie I'm a Fan of Bullwinkie 16 fans permalink

When competing for capital, there is no prize for "some profit". Just like a monopoly game, the winner takes all.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:06 PM on 04/20/2009
- Viper I'm a Fan of Viper 312 fans permalink

One might agree with DIMON... unfortunately what increased 15 times was not corporate profits but executive pay.

Regards

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:11 PM on 04/20/2009
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Why has no one mentioned this until now?

LOL

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:01 PM on 04/20/2009
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We had to wait for a financial genius like Dimon to come along and tell us....

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:04 PM on 04/20/2009
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Duh... tanks.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:06 PM on 04/20/2009
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