Dimon: Iraq War, Greed Contributed To Economic Collapse

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04/20/09 04:50 PM

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JPMorgan Chairman and CEO Jamie Dimon, in a letter to shareholders, touched on a theme that critics of the Iraq war were highlighting more than a year ago: That spending on the war was damaging to the economy.

Dimon cited "an expensive war in Iraq" as one of the possible triggers of the economic collapse. Spending on the war ballooned the deficit and crowded out investment in domestic priorities. Meanwhile, the trade deficit soared.

"I suspect when analysts and economists study the fundamental causes of this crisis, they will point to the enormous U.S. trade deficit as one of the main underlying culprits. Over an eight-year period, the United Sates ran a trade deficit of $3 trillion. This means that Americans bought $3 trillion more than they sold overseas. Dollars were used to pay for the goods. Foreign countries took these dollars and purchased, for the most part, U.S. Treasuries and mortgage-backed securities. It also is likely that this process kept U.S. interest rates very low, even beyond Federal Reserve policy, for an extended period of time."

Those depressed interest rates, in turn, pushed air into the housing bubble until it popped.

Dimon also cites the 2008 energy crisis as a shock to the economy that played a part in bringing it down. The energy crisis may still have occurred without the instability in the Middle East caused by the U.S. invasion, but with Iraq's oil supply knocked off-line for years, it didn't help.

Dimon also places some of the blame for the crisis on greed for ever-higher profits, which he refers to as "irrational pressure...to show increasingly better returns." The system he's referring to -- which pressures companies to steadily increase returns due to the cost of capital -- is called capitalism.

"Many other factors may have added to this storm -- an expensive war in Iraq, short-selling, high energy prices, and irrational pressure on corporations, money managers and hedge funds to show increasingly better returns," offered Dimon.

"The modern financial world has had its first major financial crisis. So far, many major actors are gone: many of the mortgage brokers, numerous hedge funds, Wachovia, WaMu, Bear Stearns, Lehman and many others. Some of the survivors are struggling, particularly as we face a truly global, massive recession -- and it still is not over," he wrote.

Read his analysis in his letter to shareholders (PDF). If you find anything else noteworthy, let me know at ryan@huffingtonpost.com.

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JPMorgan Chairman and CEO Jamie Dimon, in a letter to shareholders, touched on a theme that critics of the Iraq war were highlighting more than a year ago: That spending on the war was damaging to the...
JPMorgan Chairman and CEO Jamie Dimon, in a letter to shareholders, touched on a theme that critics of the Iraq war were highlighting more than a year ago: That spending on the war was damaging to the...
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- Merckx I'm a Fan of Merckx 25 fans permalink
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Reasons for economic Collapse:
Total bank deregulation and the insane levels of leveraging associated with deregulation.
Too free with credit and low interest rates which led to an unsustainable housing bubble.
The inevitable burst of the housing bubble.
The war in Iraq. (It is like a leak in the home water heater. If you don't stop it, it will flood the whole house.
An economy becoming service based (We don't make anything.) which led to a massive year in and year out trade deficit.
A culture that lived on credit, from individuals, businesses and banks.
The first to suffer were the lowest income people who are always the first to suffer.
They had their homes foreclosed on first, but they were by no means the driving force behind this situation.
Icing on the cake was the huge run up of oil prices in 08.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:01 PM on 04/20/2009
- Viper I'm a Fan of Viper 327 fans permalink

Very good. And from your list one sees that the blame is very broad based...

Americans borrowed money to buy goods from low wage countries while the plant their neighbor worked at closed down and the decline in real jobs was hidden for 8 years by running our lives on debt which accounted for 14% of the economy and thats is not coming back nor the 5 million MFG jobs lost to the shinny new plants we built elsewhere while ours rusted..

Americans voted for this, when they shopped.

Regards

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:21 PM on 04/20/2009
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Ya think?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:57 PM on 04/20/2009
- HumeSkeptic I'm a Fan of HumeSkeptic 1681 fans permalink
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Isn't that great?
We have a banker who can connect the dots!
And we thought that they were all dolts.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:59 PM on 04/20/2009
- Viper I'm a Fan of Viper 327 fans permalink

He did not mention that taking the 3 million barrels off the market allowed him and Goldman to buy up the oil futures even though they were not end users and drive the oil prices up to 147/BBL (holding 80% of them) causing inflation which the FED then fought by rasing interest rates whih them caused people to default on theuir vartaible rate loans that increased.

Regards

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:07 PM on 04/20/2009
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Naw, just two dots. He's not about to explain how the thousands of other dots are REALLY connected.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:08 PM on 04/20/2009
- Bullwinkie I'm a Fan of Bullwinkie 16 fans permalink

But only after the fact. If he could foresee this kind of stuff, he might be worth his paycheck.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:10 PM on 04/20/2009
- maxdenn I'm a Fan of maxdenn 165 fans permalink

Armed guards still protect U.S. diplomats, even though the company has no license to operate there.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:57 PM on 04/20/2009
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I'd sure want them by my side if I was over there!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:07 PM on 04/20/2009
- ralph10 I'm a Fan of ralph10 24 fans permalink
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Nah. I don't think Iraquis are too happy seeing them.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:17 PM on 04/20/2009
- Bullwinkie I'm a Fan of Bullwinkie 16 fans permalink

We need to eliminate these mercenaries. They have no business working for our military.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:07 PM on 04/20/2009
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My plan is to bring all the troops home and leave the mercs in Iraq -- only stop paying them and no airfare home....

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:12 PM on 04/20/2009
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Are they, too, not above the law? Oh, and by the way, you're not suppose to pay attention to that particular issue. Too many may find out about it.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:10 PM on 04/20/2009
- HumeSkeptic I'm a Fan of HumeSkeptic 1681 fans permalink
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Commodity is the "cell-form" or building unit of capitalist society—it is an object useful to somebody else, but with a trading value for the owner. Because commercial transactions imply no particular morality beyond that required to settle transactions, the growth of markets causes the economic sphere and the moral-legal sphere to become separated in society: subjective moral value becomes separated from objective economic value.
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Let's see how many agree with the above.
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    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:54 PM on 04/20/2009
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Sounds like my favorite 19th century author, Karl Marx....

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:59 PM on 04/20/2009
- HumeSkeptic I'm a Fan of HumeSkeptic 1681 fans permalink
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:-)

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:05 PM on 04/20/2009
- zius I'm a Fan of zius 74 fans permalink
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well....using this logic... human trafficking would be legal.....NOT

so this argument is bogus.........

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:00 PM on 04/20/2009
- HumeSkeptic I'm a Fan of HumeSkeptic 1681 fans permalink
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Only if you consider a person as commodity, which was done. And, in a purely capitalist system, that would be fine. In fact, it happens even today, in the guise of cheap labor. For example, Halibuton supplied (essentially) slaves (Indian and Indonesian) for menial work in Iraq.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:09 PM on 04/20/2009
- HumeSkeptic I'm a Fan of HumeSkeptic 1681 fans permalink
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People seem afraid to agree to disagree!

Hmmmm!

All it says is that morality is external to a true capitlist society, other than that implied to settle transactions (i.e., honoring contracts).

If you make a car that pollutes the heck out of the environment, but there is a buyer, you sell it. The immorality of polluting the atmosphere (affecting the health of the society) is not a consideration.
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    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:04 PM on 04/20/2009
- luke150 I'm a Fan of luke150 12 fans permalink

I agree. I don't see a particular reason to "attach" moral value to economic value, don't believe that is the problem. What was missing, I think, is the regulation that would prevent systemic failures. When you have banks that are "too big to fail" that jeopardize the system, then maybe they should have never been allowed to be that big. And by the way, too big or not, they will fail eventually - whether through bankruptcy, liquidation, nationalization, acquisition, I don't know...

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:06 PM on 04/20/2009
- HumeSkeptic I'm a Fan of HumeSkeptic 1681 fans permalink
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I don't see a particular reason to "attach" moral value to economic value.
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It depends on what you call economic value - (personal) financial gain, or what is beneficial to the society.
Of course, I am not trying to connect that to the present topic. That would be too complicated, and I'm a lazy.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:19 PM on 04/20/2009
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Subjective moral value= ethics.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:08 PM on 04/20/2009
- HumeSkeptic I'm a Fan of HumeSkeptic 1681 fans permalink
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Yes. Generally speaking, that is true.
You are good.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:14 PM on 04/20/2009
- Car84 I'm a Fan of Car84 6 fans permalink

The war Iraq was listed as one of "many other factors may have added to this storm." Bad headline to the story, I have to say.

We gained more (and lost less) from the War on Terror than we have gained in our 40-year "War on Poverty," which we are currently quagmired in, and whose losses include total destruction of the Black family unit. But, that's okay. It put them solidly in the camp of the Democratic Party, didn't it?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:53 PM on 04/20/2009
- Bullwinkie I'm a Fan of Bullwinkie 16 fans permalink

And what did we gain from invading Iraq?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:04 PM on 04/20/2009

We won the war on poverty. The poor gave up and the rich got richer.And the loosers kept on whining and blaming their situation on someone else thinking that perhaps someday they would be let into the club and become republicans too.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:04 PM on 04/20/2009
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NIce factual analysis. (Sigh)

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:04 PM on 04/20/2009
- Bitsko I'm a Fan of Bitsko 608 fans permalink
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Feck the republicans and feck the tro//s.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:52 PM on 04/20/2009
- HumeSkeptic I'm a Fan of HumeSkeptic 1681 fans permalink
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You are in a good mood today. Do you think we have time for all that fecking? There are many, unfortunately.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:58 PM on 04/20/2009
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Aww Hume, what's a little feck here and a little feck there? Keeps the blood flowing.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:01 PM on 04/20/2009
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Feck them? Yeah, they need a good fecking because they're pretty feckless as it is....

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:07 PM on 04/20/2009
- SCG I'm a Fan of SCG 110 fans permalink
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"Financial Rescue Nears GDP as Pledges Top $12.8 Trillion" - 3/31/08 Bloomberg
http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601087&sid=armOzfkwtCA4&refer=worldwide

"The Quiet Coup" - by Simon Johnson May 2009 The Atlantic

"The crash has laid bare many unpleasant truths about the United States. One of the most alarming, says a former chief economist of the International Monetary Fund, is that the finance industry has effectively captured our government—a state of affairs that more typically describes emerging markets, and is at the center of many emerging-market crises. If the IMF’s staff could speak freely about the U.S., it would tell us what it tells all countries in this situation: recovery will fail unless we break the financial oligarchy that is blocking essential reform. And if we are to prevent a true depression, we’re running out of time."

http://www.theatlantic.com/doc/200905/imf-adviceimf-advice

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:50 PM on 04/20/2009
- Bernique I'm a Fan of Bernique 50 fans permalink

Yeah, right, the IMF will advise us the U.S. on how to get out of our financial troubles??? Ha ha ha. Have you read The Shock Doctrine by Naomi Klein. The last entity you want helping you is the I.M.F, and/or the World Bank.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:27 PM on 04/20/2009
- Bernique I'm a Fan of Bernique 50 fans permalink

Well, duh, Mr. Dimon. Wars are expensive, and budget-busting (which is probably why they were launched in the first place). That way, war-making can reward your de-fen-ce contractors, and assorted mercenaries, and you can destroy the FDR-created social network. Win-win at the expense of the little people.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:47 PM on 04/20/2009
- Bitsko I'm a Fan of Bitsko 608 fans permalink
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Mister Dimon is on to something, but he needs to hang out with some Vietnam vets, who know this county's policies are full of shite.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:54 PM on 04/20/2009
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I would not say the Iraq War was partially responsible for the collapse of our economy, I would say it was largely responsible, especially W's unwillingness to ask Americans to sacrifice and pay as we go, instead of borrowing money from China to pay for that disastrous quagmire.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:46 PM on 04/20/2009
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Gary Busey?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:47 PM on 04/20/2009
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A one time mediocre actor but no resemblance I could relate to, sorry.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:25 PM on 04/20/2009
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I don't cling to either guns or religion (I have kids in the house and frankly speaking, I don't think either will protect us), but I do cling selfishly to the knowledge that I didn't vote for Bush.

It makes feel a little better.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:46 PM on 04/20/2009
- maxdenn I'm a Fan of maxdenn 165 fans permalink

"It makes feel a little better."

Us too.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:54 PM on 04/20/2009
- Wood I'm a Fan of Wood 2 fans permalink

me too neither!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:36 PM on 04/20/2009
- maxdenn I'm a Fan of maxdenn 165 fans permalink

Did I dream this? Seems like somewhere I read that the former vice-president was receiving checks from Halliburton during the time he served the Bush administration.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:46 PM on 04/20/2009
- bj1000 I'm a Fan of bj1000 2 fans permalink

jamie should give advice?.......buying bear stearns at 2bucks a share with us government money...a free hand under bush for years...trillions in derivative losses.....

nationalize chase and fire the bum...

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:44 PM on 04/20/2009

So how much does MR. OBVIOUS get paid a year to make these kinds of statements ????

And where was he when BUSH/CHENEY sent our young men and women to die while not acknowledging how to even pay for the worse run war in American history ????

Where were all these Republicans when these irresponsible fiscal policies were going on ????

That's why I left the Republican party.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:43 PM on 04/20/2009
- punk I'm a Fan of punk 62 fans permalink
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Television instructed me to be afraid of Hugo Chavez, who was ELECTED three times in elections certified as "fair" by every human rights group.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:42 PM on 04/20/2009
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Don't let Chavez fool you... he's done a LOT of good for his people... but he has also "disappeared" many of his political enemies.

He's ALSO batshitCRAZY.

Just because he stuck his tongue out at BUSH doesn't mean he's an @$$#OLE.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:46 PM on 04/20/2009
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Don't let Chavez fool you... he's done a LOT of good for his people... but he has also "disappeared" many of his political enemies.

He's ALSO batshitCRAZY.

Just because he stuck his tongue out at BUSH doesn't mean he's an @$$$#OLE.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:47 PM on 04/20/2009
- Bernique I'm a Fan of Bernique 50 fans permalink

Blue State-- are you still in Rove's basement? Man, you need to get some fresh air, even if you don't get paid for doing so. Posting TWICE is a major no-no.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:31 PM on 04/20/2009

Halliburton stockholders would beg to differ.

http://www.pufferfishblog.com/

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:39 PM on 04/20/2009
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