Hatch On Torture Memo Author: "One Of The Most Honorable People You'll Ever Meet"

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04/21/09 11:44 AM

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The Senate returned after a two-week recess Monday night. As members gathered in the chamber for a long series of votes, the conversation on the floor turned to federal judge Jay Bybee, a Democratic senator told the Huffington Post.

The issue at question: Should a man who was a principal author of Bush administration memos that authorized torture be allowed to continue to serve his lifetime appointment to the Ninth Circuit Court of Appeals? Or should he be impeached?

Impeachment begins in the House Judiciary Committee, and Rep. Jerry Nadler (D-N.Y.), a senior member of the committee, got the ball rolling Monday, calling for his impeachment.

Even if impeachment moves through the House, it'll still need GOP support in the Senate to get the required two-thirds. Following the discussion on the Senate floor Monday, Sen. Orrin Hatch of Utah, a respected senior Republican on that chamber's judiciary committee, told the Huffington Post he was strongly opposed to impeachment.

"Bybee's one of the most honorable people you'll ever meet," said Hatch. "He is a qualified and very honorable federal judge who was one of the supervisors down there and who, I guess, signed off on some of the opinions over which there's controversy both ways. Some think those opinions were accurate and responsible. Of course, the other side believes they were not."

The memos authorized the CIA to waterboard detainees, slam them into a wall, hit them, lock them in small boxes with insects and deprive them of sleep for up to 11 days.

"Frankly, I do believe that the memoranda could have been written differently, but for the most part, the memoranda were accurate. I think it's blown out of proportion through politics and I think that's one reason the Obama administration and the attorney general have elected not to prosecute anybody. These decisions were made in good faith at a time when our country was in dire jeopardy and could have had even more hateful catastrophes than we had," said Hatch.

If the memo controversy reflects a mere difference of legal judgment, then Bybee did not commit a high crime or misdemeanor, which is the necessary offense for impeachment. Nadler insists that he committed a crime because he had to have known that the behavior he was authorizing was torture and that his memo was nothing more than an attempt at legal cover.

Hatch, however, said that Democrats are looking to score political points by tarnishing Bybee.

"I think those who want to make a big stink out of this are playing politics at every turn and it's ridiculous. I do not want to have our people who protect us intimidated and afraid to stand up and protect us when the time comes. And it's very offensive when people try to score political points against honorable public servants who were trying to do their best," he said.

Hatch said that he has known Bybee for a long time both socially and professionally and is offended by the attacks against him. "Some of these people around here will play politics on anything. They'll embarrass people for political advantage," he said.

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The Senate returned after a two-week recess Monday night. As members gathered in the chamber for a long series of votes, the conversation on the floor turned to federal judge Jay Bybee, a Democratic s...
The Senate returned after a two-week recess Monday night. As members gathered in the chamber for a long series of votes, the conversation on the floor turned to federal judge Jay Bybee, a Democratic s...
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Well,he's a Mormon too, now isn't he?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:50 PM on 04/23/2009
- Nicolaus I'm a Fan of Nicolaus 9 fans permalink

"Bybee's one of the most honorable people you'll ever meet," says the Senator.

The message he and his ilk are sending to the world wipes out the good will the world began to feel towards the US. And may be they shouldn't until its leaders change. No Republican leader have been heard denouncing the memos. They form almost half the Senate. Their voices (and the voice of the former Vice President) reaches loud and clear implying that:

MAY BE PRESIDENT OBAMA WOULD BAN TORTURE, BUT WHEN WE GET BACK ON THE SADDLE, THINGS WILL GO BACK TO 'NORMAL.'

It is clear that by doing so, they are forcing the Obama administration to prosecute the memos writers. But Nuremberg suggests ALL torturers be. If they don't, even the 'CHange' in the eyes of the world would be "N'Change"

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:00 AM on 04/22/2009
- afgail I'm a Fan of afgail 63 fans permalink

Orrin Hatch is a Quisling. He sabotages our democracy at every turn. He temporizes every moral and ethical issue. Shame on Utah for repeatedly sending this creep to the Senate.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:35 AM on 04/22/2009
- charon I'm a Fan of charon 23 fans permalink

Hatch calls this evil man "honorable" who authorized despicable acts of torture, carried out on many people, including some to try to find a link between Al Queda and Saddam Hussein (which didn't exist)? He implies that all the Republicans agree with him! What pure moral corruption. Putting people in small boxes with insects? My God, what has America come to? There is no justification for torture. It is wrong. America, under Bush, was wrong. How evil lurks, even in the highest places in this country.

Are we such sheep that we will sit idly by and let such a crime against humanity go unpunished? And yet Bush did not act alone, Every single person who voted for or supported him shares responsibility for the pain he has inflicted on countless people. Every single person who voted for or supported him shares responsibility for the shame he has brought upon America.

How low they have brought us. What next, death squads on American soil? Damn the Republican traitors! Damn them!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:13 AM on 04/22/2009

this all makes me so sick-- a sitting senator calling the author of the torture memo "honorable"??

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:00 AM on 04/22/2009
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Probably regarded Strom Thurmond as honorable too. Not to mention Joseph Smith.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:54 AM on 04/22/2009
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Tell Sen Hatch how you feel about his comments:

Email: orrinpac.comc.com

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:50 AM on 04/22/2009
- OYea I'm a Fan of OYea 6 fans permalink
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Here is an exercise for Senator Hatch, Judge Bybee, John Rizzo and anyone else who who insists that these practices were not torture.

Read through the following document directed to Rizzo and signed by Bybee and replace the names of the detainees for your son, brother, father, uncle, grandfather or best buddy...

http://luxmedia.vo.llnwd.net/o10/clients/aclu/olc_08012002_bybee.pdf

Still think these practices weren't torture?

That document is full of inaccurate information that could have very easily been disputed with just a few minutes of research on the internet! This is a disgrace to the U.S.! Bybee doesn't need democrats to tarnish his reputation. He's done a fine job of that all by himself!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:48 AM on 04/22/2009
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Sen Hatch,

One of the most honorable things you and your Party can do is stand up for the Constitution and the rule of law in this country. You KNOW this was wrong, and it will be you and your Party attempting to "score political points" if you CHOOSE not to stand up for the values of the the people of this country.

So what's it going to be Sen Hatch? Your country or your Party?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:43 AM on 04/22/2009

Water seeks its own level.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:37 AM on 04/22/2009

Feint praise coming from Senator Hatch.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:17 AM on 04/22/2009
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When the Right-wing­-lunatic-f­ringe was out to get President Clinton, none other than Orin Hatch said of Ken Starr that he was one of the most honorable men he'd ever met.
Doesn't take much to make Hatch's list of "honorable" men.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:43 AM on 04/22/2009
- dave1111 I'm a Fan of dave1111 41 fans permalink

When did following the rule of law become 'scoring political points'?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:31 AM on 04/22/2009

From Wikipedia: "In 1998, Hatch, a descendent of polygamists, defended polygamy in a taped interview, saying that the Constitution was "ambiguous" on the issue. He later stated that the Constitution was not ambiguous, that polygamy should remain illegal, and that polygamy was against the teachings of his church."

Substitute the word "torture" for the word "polygamy.­"

It is time for Senator Hatch to come clean with the American people, the Constitution and his Church!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:24 AM on 04/22/2009
- Lochmon I'm a Fan of Lochmon 88 fans permalink
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No, I've got a better idea. Let's NOT equate "torture" with "polygamy". They have nothing to do with one another.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:33 AM on 04/22/2009

I did not "equate" anything.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:42 AM on 04/22/2009
- OYea I'm a Fan of OYea 6 fans permalink
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When referring to polygamy that involves the taking of child brides and routinely subjecting them to sexual abuse... one can most definitely draw a parallel between the practices of polygamy and torture.

http://www.bankingonheaven.com/

Watch the trailer and then explain how the 17 years worth of beating of a woman by her mother because she would not obey her father's request to have sex with him does NOT equate with torture!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:57 AM on 04/22/2009
- Oonagh I'm a Fan of Oonagh 30 fans permalink

I wonder what type of man Hatch regards as not good or honorable.­... .... Power corrupts.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:23 AM on 04/22/2009
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