Bush Administration Ignored Military's Strong Opposition To Torture Program

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04/22/09 02:27 PM

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On Tuesday, President Obama reassured CIA agents that if they interrogated prisoners within the "four corners" of the legal authority given by the Bush administration then they needn't fear prosecution.

But a Senate report released on Tuesday night shows that those four corners were constructed after the torture program had begun and were set so that they would encompass the program, rather than the program being built within pre-established legal guidelines. Memos previously released by the Obama administration confirm that the legal analysis was built around the practice and that for a time the torture took place without those "four corners" in place.

The report shows that there was strong opposition to those four corners -- which were established by Bush administration and justice department lawyers -- from the military, which argued that the behavior it purported to justify was illegal. The administration squashed that debate and eventually spread the illegal interrogation tactics from Guantanamo to Afghanistan, Iraq and secret prisons scattered around the globe.

The idea that torture is illegal, unethical and ineffective is well established in military circles. When elements of the military saw the interrogation plan being crafted by the White House, serious objections were raised. Those objections will be key to any prosecutions because they demonstrate that the White House should have been aware that what they were proposing was against the law.

The architects of the torture program, however, seem aware of the power of those dissenting views and, according to the Senate report, repeatedly denied receiving them.

Then-Captain and now-Rear Admiral Jane Dalton, for instance, told the committee that her staff discussed the military's concerns with DoD General Counsel Jim Haynes, one of the architects of the program, and that he was aware of the military's objections. Haynes, meanwhile, testified that he didn't know that the military was opposed and had written memos to that effect. He later qualified that denial to say he wasn't "sure" that he hadn't been made aware. His deputy, Eliana Davidson, also told him his torture project "needed further assessment," but Haynes, again, said he didn't recall Davidson telling him that.

As early as November 2002, the military was pushing back. The Air Force cited "serious concerns regarding the legality of many of the proposed techniques" because they "may be subject to challenge as failing to meet the requirements outlined in the military order to treat detainees humanely."

The top legal adviser to the Criminal Investigation Task Force weighed in, arguing that the techniques "may subject service members to punitive articles of the [Uniform Code of Military Justice]." The "utility and legality of applying certain techniques" was, the lawyer advised, "questionable." Getting more to the point, he added that he couldn't "advocate any action, interrogation or otherwise, that is predicated upon the principle that all is well if the ends justify the means and others are not aware of how we conduct our business."

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The Army didn't like it, either. The Army's International and Operational Law Division chief determined that the program "crosses the line of 'humane' treatment" and would "likely be considered maltreatment" under military law and "may violate torture statute." The request to torture was deemed "legally insufficient."

The Navy wanted further review and the Marine Corps expressed "strong reservations," saying the request to torture wasn't "legally sufficient." The proposed techniques "arguably violate federal law, and would expose our service members to possible prosecution."

Taking in the concerns, the top legal counsel to the Joint Chiefs of Staff, Capt. Jane Dalton, proposed a thorough review before approving the new methods.

It wasn't to be. Chairman Richard Myers met with Haynes, Dalton told the committee, and returned to tell her to kill her review on Haynes' order. Haynes was concerned that a broader review would allow the military's reservations to leak out. Of course, both Myers and Haynes denied any knowledge of the meeting Dalton referred to and denied telling her to cut short her review. Tellingly, however, the committee reports that "neither has challenged Captain Dalton's recollection." It was the only time Dalton had ever been told to cut short a review, she told the committee.

Despite the broad and deep concerns within the military, Haynes recommended to Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld that the bulk of the practices be approved. On December 2, Rumsfeld signed off, famously scribbling in the margins: "I stand for 8-10 hours a day. Why is standing limited to 4 hours?"

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On Tuesday, President Obama reassured CIA agents that if they interrogated prisoners within the "four corners" of the legal authority given by the Bush administration then they needn't fear prosecutio...
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- jadeba I'm a Fan of jadeba 35 fans permalink

The noose is tightening. They may conveniently not remember the military resistance to their torture program but taken altogether ignorance of stated concerns won't be credible. Mueller and the FBI refusing to participate are the icing on the cake.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:10 PM on 04/23/2009
- nicole473 I'm a Fan of nicole473 262 fans permalink
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The architects of this anti-American torture policy, and those who violated our constitutional rights, must be prosecuted, beginning with Bush and Cheney.

It is all coming out. We can not condone what was done by refusing to hold them accountable.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:24 PM on 04/23/2009
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Dick Cheney and Karl Rove want this issue open to debate. So let's get it all out in the open. Bush's administration was notorious for ignoring our military. They kept reassigning and retiring generals, admirals and other high ranking officers till they got yes men. In return, the country was put in an unjust war, lost over 4,300 of our personnel, tens of thousands returned home with serious or lifelong disabilities, we lost international prestige, and accumulated trillions of dollars in debt.

What better way is there than to tell to the world we are responsible for our actions and we will prosecute our own criminals?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:07 PM on 04/23/2009
- raechel I'm a Fan of raechel 26 fans permalink

Evil is banal, not exceptional.

The spirit of this country requires that we hold the decision-makers accountable for the course they set.. Make it clear to everyone what we aspire to be. Then maybe our children and our children's children will be able to hold up their heads when they face the rest of the world; and we will be able to say with some confidence that it can't happen here.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:54 PM on 04/23/2009

Ways to construct a torture program

1) Get freaked out because of major attack, start torturing everyone you can get your hands on and then drum up legal justifications afterward to try and CYA

2) Get freaked out because of major attack, do your due diligence in assessing where intelligence problems were, make adjustments and then come up with actual enhanced interrogation techniques, protect your military members by explicitly NOT authorizing them to participate, and proceed with a plan for giving POWs due process.

Which way do you think Bush/Cheney opted to go?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:22 PM on 04/23/2009

It only makes sense the military would signal opposition to torture.
There's honor in our military code and in our servicemen, the problem was the leadership as it usually is.

Let the investigations begin.

Somebody please tell me John Yoo is still not teaching law at sunny Berkley. These people need to be prosecuted, not even an ounce of remorse from some of these sociopaths.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:36 PM on 04/23/2009
- BlackYowe I'm a Fan of BlackYowe 58 fans permalink
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I am so farkin grtaeful the Military voiced Strong Opposition.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:09 PM on 04/23/2009
- AdamX I'm a Fan of AdamX 13 fans permalink

This headline should have been here 5 years ago - when the rest of the world already knew.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:41 AM on 04/23/2009

The saddest and most horrific of the entire Bush/Cheney & all - the THOUSANDS of military in the world who lost their lives & or were maimed! The human cost can never be repaid.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:32 AM on 04/23/2009
- nirek I'm a Fan of nirek 105 fans permalink
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As a Vietnam Vet , I could not agree with you more, thanks for saying what I was thinking. The harm done by the bush administration is something I am ashamed of ! The Obama administration is undoing much of the harm, as quickly as possible and I have so very much for President Obama. He is making America a leader in the world , again.

Now , Please fill out the bio on your profile page. I like to know a little about each of you as I read your posts.
Thanks
Nirek

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:25 AM on 04/23/2009
- solarian I'm a Fan of solarian 14 fans permalink

bush has only thought my way or the highway. what a micro mind

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:20 AM on 04/23/2009
- wedgie I'm a Fan of wedgie 19 fans permalink
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Bush is psychologically unable to experience empathy.

It's a classic psychotic trait.

He just doesn't care.

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    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:09 AM on 04/23/2009
- raechel I'm a Fan of raechel 26 fans permalink

Psychopathic, not psychotic.

And it's possible he's just been spoiled rotten all of his life, so has serious character flaws.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:33 PM on 04/23/2009
- raechel I'm a Fan of raechel 26 fans permalink

(Just didn't want you to inadvertently offend any psychotic folks out there who might object to being compared to GB)

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:34 PM on 04/23/2009
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They also ignored the military's strong desire to...

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:45 AM on 04/23/2009
- realpolitic I'm a Fan of realpolitic 159 fans permalink

Give Haynes a nice, cozy cell next to Rumsfield and the others. They will have plenty of time to watch episodes of 24 while in prison.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:40 AM on 04/23/2009
- SKonnery I'm a Fan of SKonnery 4 fans permalink

And Rummy will be able to get his required 8-10 hours of standing in.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:54 AM on 04/23/2009
- realpolitic I'm a Fan of realpolitic 159 fans permalink

I wonder if Rummy sat down to eat his lunch?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:38 PM on 04/23/2009
- obamagal I'm a Fan of obamagal 50 fans permalink
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Having just read Rumsfeld's

"I stand for 8-10 hours a day. Why is standing limited to 4 hours?"

my immediate reaction upon reading your comment was to add 'and make sure he stands for 8 to 10 hours, two-fold' but that would be stooping to their level and we mustn't, no matter how much we'd like. We mustn't because that would make us just as bad as they are. It does show though how emotions can cause reactions vs. sound reasoning (which of course is the purpose behind all the fearmongering the GOP talking heads keep spewing to maintain their diminishing base).

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:06 AM on 04/23/2009

Obamagal - Right on! The hate & Lies goes out of the mouth of the GOPERS right to and on the MSM who facilitate the lies. Watch Blitzer on CNN - always a BUT if a story favours Obama Admin then hauls on a Gop - to spread the lies.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:26 AM on 04/23/2009
- vinny I'm a Fan of vinny 91 fans permalink
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DoD General Counsel Jim Haynes needs to be held to account.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:09 AM on 04/23/2009
- drcrank I'm a Fan of drcrank 7 fans permalink

"Stop throwing the Constitution in my face, It's just a goddamned piece of paper!"
-GW Bush

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:19 AM on 04/23/2009
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