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TOM KRISHER | April 22, 2009 10:53 PM EST | AP

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FILE - In this Dec. 5, 2008 file photo, a GM car rests on the roof of the General Motors Corp Lordstown complex east plant, in Lordstown, Ohio. Two people briefed on the plan say General Motors Corp. will close most of its U.S. factories for up to nine weeks this summer because of slumping sales and growing inventories of unsold vehicles. The people did not know exactly when the shutdowns would occur, but both say they will include the normal two-week closure in July to change from one model year to the next. (AP Photo/Tony Dejak, File)

DETROIT — General Motors Corp. is planning to temporarily close most of its U.S. factories for up to nine weeks this summer because of slumping sales and growing inventories of unsold vehicles, three people briefed on the plan said Wednesday. Analysts say the company could be seeing sales decline because of talk about a potential bankruptcy.

The exact dates of the closures are not known, but the people said they will occur around the normal two-week shutdown in July when changes are made from one model year to the next. None of the people wanted to be identified because workers have not yet been told of the shutdowns.

GM spokesman Chris Lee would not comment other than to say the company notifies employees before making any production cuts public.

One of the people briefed on the plan said details are still being worked out. Some of the closings could be staggered between mid-May and the end of July, but the exact number of plants to be idled has not yet been determined.

Another person said a few plants that make more popular models could remain open for part of the shutdown period, but at reduced assembly line speeds.

Thousands of workers could be laid off but would still get most of their pay because their United Auto Workers union contract requires the company to make up much of the difference between state unemployment benefits and their wages. UAW officials at several factories said they have meetings scheduled Thursday and Friday with plant managers and GM human resource officials to discuss production changes.

The shutdown could be catastrophic to many auto parts suppliers that already are near bankruptcy due to previous production cuts. During the shutdown, suppliers couldn't ship parts to GM and would lose critical revenue.

"It's one of those things we've been dreading for a long time," said Jim Gillette, director of financial services at auto-industry consultant CSM Worldwide in Grand Rapids. "It's as bad as its ever been."

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He said that many suppliers are making employee cuts or forcing workers to take furloughs to reduce operating expenditures.

GM is living on $13.4 billion in government loans and faces a June 1 deadline to cut its debt, reduce labor costs and take other restructuring steps. If it doesn't meet the deadline, the company's CEO has said it will enter Chapter 11 bankruptcy protection.

The Treasury Department declined to comment on any effect the plant shutdowns might have on GM's restructuring plans.

Separately Wednesday, GM announced that it may miss a $1 billion bond payment also due June 1 if its debt-for-equity exchange is still in progress by then. GM also could go into bankruptcy protection, which could make the company miss the payment as well.

The company plans to make the exchange offer soon to bondholders, perhaps as early as next week. GM has $28 billion in unsecured bond debt and is under government pressure to reduce that to solidify its balance sheet.

GM's sales were down 49 percent in the first quarter compared with the same period last year, and GM had a 123-day supply of cars and trucks at the end of March, according to Ward's AutoInfoBank. That's down from 162 days worth in January.

But as of March 31, the automaker had a more than six-month supply of several models including the Pontiac G5 compact and Chevrolet Silverado hybrid pickup truck. The lengthy shutdown likely means that GM doesn't see its sales rebounding anytime soon, said Tom Libby, an independent Detroit-area auto industry analyst.

"They must be forecasting a sales level that is low enough between now and the summer that they see their inventories building," he said. "It's sort of an ominous comment on what they see for the industry."

Libby also suggested that the company's sales may be declining because customers are concerned about the automaker possibly filing for bankruptcy protection.

GM CEO Fritz Henderson has said the company would prefer to restructure outside of court, but it is preparing for a prearranged bankruptcy as well as one in which good assets would be separated from underperforming ones.

"Just using the word bankruptcy, their (market) share is down a lot just because of this talk," Libby said. "They may be counting on a further decline."

The plant closures add to the onslaught of bad news coming out of GM, said John Clark, president of Avenue Chevrolet, a dealership in Batavia, Ill., near Chicago.

"Henderson making statements about bankruptcy sure doesn't help his cause, and all of the sudden we have this," he said. "I've been getting calls from customers about warranties. I can't see this as a positive move."

The government has said it would guarantee GM and Chrysler warranties as the companies restructure.

Libby did say GM should be applauded for not building too many vehicles and then having to spend big on rebates and other incentives to move them, something the Detroit Three have been guilty of in the past.

Other GM dealers said a shutdown of up to nine weeks is jarring, but not unexpected given the sales slump.

"Nine weeks seems like an awful long time, but the way business is, not an awful lot of cars are being sold anyway," said George Tasker, fleet manager at Martin Chevrolet in Torrance, Calif.

Tasker said the move wouldn't affect business, as dealers would "get together and trade more easily" to find the exact car a customer wanted.

Nearly all automakers with U.S. factories have closed plants or cut production to deal with the auto sales slump. Earlier this year, GM temporarily closed 20 factories across North America due to weak sales, some for the entire month of January. Chrysler LLC, also subsisting on government loans, closed all 30 of its manufacturing plants for a month in January to counter the auto sales downturn.

Ford Motor Co. also shut down 10 North American assembly plants for an extra week in January, and both Toyota Motor Corp. and Honda Motor Co. have cut production.

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AP Auto Writer Kimberly S. Johnson contributed to this report.

DETROIT — General Motors Corp. is planning to temporarily close most of its U.S. factories for up to nine weeks this summer because of slumping sales and growing inventories of unsold vehicles, ...
DETROIT — General Motors Corp. is planning to temporarily close most of its U.S. factories for up to nine weeks this summer because of slumping sales and growing inventories of unsold vehicles, ...
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Obama: As you cut the US auto manufacturing industry in half and drive loyal customers to foreign imports,

How is that begging for a trillion dollar loan from foreign manufacturers coming along?
How is that creating 3 million jobs coming along?
How is that building a sustainable economy coming along?

Why do you not regulate the hedge funds that drove gas to over $4 a gallon & thereby stopped car sales?
Why do you not stop Wall street crooks from using the stimulous money to buy foreign assets instead of using the tax money to unfreeze credit?
Why did you put the Wall Street crook family in charge of your economy?

WHY DOES YOUR ADMINISTRATION DESTROY THE US MANUFACTURING INDUSTRY BASE
WHY DOES YOUR ADMINISTRATION SECRETLY PASS TRILLIONS TO WALL STREET?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:56 PM on 04/25/2009
- desertman I'm a Fan of desertman 14 fans permalink

It’s an open secret that the profitability of Amercia’s major banks is a mirage – a clever illusion created by Washington and Wall Street to reignite the stock market. Turn over a few well-place stones and a very different reality emerges – one that should make the hairs on the bank investors’ necks stand on end.

As many are already aware, Goldman Sachs (Hank Paulson’s alma mater) was the beneficiary of non-recurring gains from the wholesale unwinding of AIG Financial Products portfolios. This handily boosted Goldman’s bottom line to the tune of $12.9 billion, courtesy of us taxpayers.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:39 PM on 04/25/2009
- JaneK13 I'm a Fan of JaneK13 21 fans permalink

So UAW workers get 9 weeks off with pay -- they'll get 70% of their salary -- job guaranteed in the future and pensions and health benefits still secure. Enjoy your trip to DisneyWorld boys & girls -- it's courtesy of the taxpayers.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:10 AM on 04/24/2009
- ekoorb I'm a Fan of ekoorb 8 fans permalink

I think it's more like 90-95%. Don't expect the UAW to be telling us though. The President should proceed with caution on this as the underemployed struggle to make in a month what these guys will get in a week.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:20 PM on 04/24/2009
- markinaz I'm a Fan of markinaz 3 fans permalink

Can't wait for a car free world. Next to cigarettes, cars are the most destructive devices produced by man. Killing and maiming tens of thousands each year not to mention the political slavery to oil, the outright thievery of the insurance and repair businessess and the terrible toll of environmental destructiveness. Take a bus, ride a bike or just plain walk people, your health and your world will be a much better place.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:17 PM on 04/23/2009
- DLBSR I'm a Fan of DLBSR 13 fans permalink

Great thought. Tough though to find a bus route close enough to the pipeline rights-of-ways, gas well locations, and wind turbine locations in SW Maryland & Pennsylvania where I work. Even if I could it might be difficult to convince the bus driver to allow me to board with a 3000 pound wellhead assembly or to carry several 20 ft. joints of pipe on a bicycle. Most Americans do not live in urban areas and thus do not have access to publc transit systems and it is simply not practical to ride a bicycle miles each day to work. Add to that the businesses you and I rely on for services that need vehicles to provide those services and you will realize the atomobile will be a part of our lives for years to come.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:10 PM on 04/23/2009

I live in maine without a car, it sucks, don't try it.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:46 AM on 04/25/2009
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Can you imagine the interstate bike paths we could have?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:27 PM on 04/23/2009
- senorlou I'm a Fan of senorlou 101 fans permalink

That's a fantastic idea.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:53 PM on 04/23/2009
- CR46 I'm a Fan of CR46 196 fans permalink

I hope you don't eat, because it would be hard to take cattle, chickens, and truck loads of veggies to market on a bike.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:47 PM on 04/23/2009
- DLBSR I'm a Fan of DLBSR 13 fans permalink

Or a full load of roofing on a bus. :-)

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:57 PM on 04/23/2009
    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:47 AM on 04/25/2009
- senorlou I'm a Fan of senorlou 101 fans permalink

I keep seeing people here are blaming unions for this and saying the workers are getting umemployment for their furlough. Every furlough I've ever seen imposed on workers has been an unpaid one. Anybody know if this is going to be a paid furlough? Didn't see anything about pay in the article, but maybe I skipped it. If anybody knows, I'd appreciate the info since it might save a lot of confusion.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:07 PM on 04/23/2009
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..."FREE-TRADES JUST SOME OTHER WORDS
FOR NOTHIN LEFT TO LOSE"...
K. Kristofferson / r. reagan

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:26 AM on 04/23/2009
- senorlou I'm a Fan of senorlou 101 fans permalink

People on this thread are saying that GM has high-mileage cars. Not true at all - it's a false claim. Not one GM model gets over 30mpg combined. I've heard that the hybrid Malibu can get over 25mpg. The Aveo I drove (an '08) for two weeks averaged 25mpg combined. That's about as good mileage as a new Honda Accord with a stickshift (gets 26mpg). Can't even compare with any of the Japanese small cars - which get over 30mpg easy. Our companies are way behind the foreign carmakers in terms of technology, gas mileage, and just about everything else. Our companies have to start with a huge anchor tied to them. That would be health care - which I've heard costs GM at least $2,000 per car. Get rid of the health insurance "industry" and all of our manufacturers will be far better able to compete with those from countries that do not have this pointless, crushing burden added on to their businesses. We need universal health care or this problem will never end. Lay off the health insurance workers, not the auto workers.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:10 AM on 04/23/2009
- petef59 I'm a Fan of petef59 18 fans permalink

Everytime I use my 'healthcare' (rarely) my provider spends more time telling me'it will get better' than doing a simple blood test. Disgusting system
I agree-lay off the health insurance workers. All the rest of us have been micromanaged to kingdom come for the sake of efficiency and the economy ( that's worked out just great).

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:33 AM on 04/23/2009
- JaneK13 I'm a Fan of JaneK13 21 fans permalink

Our Saturn routinely gets 34 mpg, even around town. Better mpg on roadtrips. I always wondered why people complained that domestic cars are gas guzzlers. That's not been our experience.

Health care. Wow, I'd love to return to the days when health care was not an "inalienable right." When everyone didn't demand insurance to pay for it, we just went to the doctor's when we were sick and paid the doc for the visit on the way out. Nowadays you have to fill out forms to get reimbursed just for a prescription. I know, I know, you're going to say that some pills cost a hundred dollars a bottle. And doctors office visit cost a hundred twenty. Did you ever think that half of these costs are eaten up by the doc or the pharmacy having to document the transaction to the insurance co, and the company in turn having to calculate all those crazy percentages, get government approval for the payment and then report all that back to you then pay the doc? Think of the massive amount of non-productive paperwork (or digital computer data entry) that's involved. I'm sure if we had not made it so complex, office visits to the doc or a prescription would be affordable as out-of-pocket expense. Also embedded in the high cost of health care is what it costs to provide routine medical care (for free) at emergency rooms. That's staggering and someone has to pay for it.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:31 AM on 04/24/2009

Oh good, now there are even more people who can't buy anything to help the economy. . . .

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:54 AM on 04/23/2009
- DLBSR I'm a Fan of DLBSR 13 fans permalink

Exactly right, but that seems to be OK with the Treasury Department. Here is a little something I posted on another thread on April 14Th dealing with this subject.

So our government thinks consumer spending will be the vehicle that transports this economy to prosperity? Hey Treasury, how is that working out for you? Geithner to Summers, "Hey I got it, let's drive GM into bankruptcy, that will result in up to an additional 1.5 million unemployed. The newly unemployed will have nothing to do except shop, thus increasing consumer spending". WASHINGTON — Retail sales fell unexpectedly in March, delivering a setback to hopes that the economy's steep slide could be bottoming out. The Commerce Department said Tuesday that retail sales dipped 1.1 percent in March. It was the biggest decline in three months and a much weaker showing than the 0.3 percent increase that analysts expected.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:02 AM on 04/23/2009
- kelcuk I'm a Fan of kelcuk 2 fans permalink
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I'm not sure what the problem is...
Down here in the land of Dixie, as soon as gas went to $2, people went out and started buying land barge piggie mobiles made by GM by the truckload. Six months ago the three year residual value on one of these wretched Suburbans was around 35%. This just reaffirms my belief in the utter stupidity of the American people. But hey... the Yukon/Tahoe factory must be humming. And to top it off, GM will probably go bust and these poseurs that MUST drive this crap, will have a warranty backed by the Federal Government. That's reassuring...

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:13 AM on 04/23/2009
- senorlou I'm a Fan of senorlou 101 fans permalink

It's not the union that's the problem folks. I believe the major problems are these
1. GM doesn't have any high-mileage cars
2. GM has to pay health insurance for all its workers in the US
3. The banks aren't lending any money to anyone

GM can easily fix the first one by investing r&d in small fuel-efficient cars, not trucks and SUVs. Unlike all other foreign-based manufacturers, GM has to pay for health care. IT has far more US workers than the other manufacturers. Each worker costs thousands every year in health care, since we do not have universal coverage. We need to take the burden off business and make health care universal. We have to cut out the corrupt, useless health insurance "industry". Businesses all over the US will save money and be more productive.
There isn't anything GM can do about the banks. THey got way more money than the auto industry, and are now doubling credit card interest rates, hiking fees, and not lending. Perhaps the government who lent them all that money can do something about these banks.
So if GM and the other US based car makers make these changes, along with taking the burden off them for health care, they might survive.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:08 AM on 04/23/2009
- Peter007 I'm a Fan of Peter007 30 fans permalink
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GM has high mileage cars. Probable more than Toyota has.
GM has to pay all its workers lifetime health benefits. Thats what the Unions wanted. That was more important than keeping GM in business. The solution? Have people in the construction business and the lawn maintenance business pay for the retired auto workers health care. Per family I guess thats about $800/ month . Secretaries can give part of their pay to the retied auto workers too. And anyone else that has extra cash in their pocket.
Banks are lending to people. Just not people that don't pay their bills on time.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:45 AM on 04/23/2009
- senorlou I'm a Fan of senorlou 101 fans permalink

GM currently does not have 1 single car that gets over 27 mpg. Not one. Toyota has the Corolla (35mpg in the stick), Yaris (33mpg), Scion XD (34 mpg in stick), Prius (44mpg), and the Camry (34mpg) hybrid. GM doesn't make one single car that gets mpg in the 30s. Not one, and I drove their Aveo for 2 weeks and got 25mpg. That is terrible.
The only reason why any business has to pay ridiculous health care fees is because of the useless, criminal health insurance "industry." Dismantling that pointless industry, and laying off their workers would be far more beneficial than laying off auto workers who actually make something. Our businesses can't afford to pay these insurance companies their extortionate rates anymore. Get universal healthcare and lay off the insurance industry. That's an "industry" that has always been a massive burden on all of us. Scrap it, and save the car companies.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:59 AM on 04/23/2009
- jordan3189 I'm a Fan of jordan3189 20 fans permalink

Do you realize that the best selling vehicle for both gm and ford are trucks? That fuel economy car argument is just wrong.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:49 AM on 04/23/2009
- senorlou I'm a Fan of senorlou 101 fans permalink

That's because businesses and the US government buy them in fleets. They are useful for construction workers, but not for commuters. That fuel economy argument is not wrong at all. Look into those numbers. See who's buying those trucks. GM, Chrysler, and Ford have some of the lowest mileage cars of any maker. Toyotas are getting into the 40mpg plus - so are Hondas. They'll have plug ins soon that will cost less than $30K. We're at least 10 years behind them. That's the future, not some 12 mpg F-150. BTW, the Japanese are talking about making hybrid, high-mileage work trucks.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:03 AM on 04/23/2009
- petef59 I'm a Fan of petef59 18 fans permalink

I have a 2002 Saturn Sl - consistently gets 30MPG in the city (majority of my driving) and 41MPG highway. But, then again, I don't race from stoplight to stoplight (kind of a metaphor for our society-fa­ster,faste­r,faster-d­on't look ahead).

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:17 AM on 04/23/2009
- senorlou I'm a Fan of senorlou 101 fans permalink

Yes, Saturn used to make high mileage, low priced cars. They stopped as soon as they got rid of the SL & SC cars. The Astra gets about 24 mpg combined.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:52 AM on 04/23/2009
- EinChicago I'm a Fan of EinChicago 33 fans permalink

"GM can easily fix the first one by investing r&d in small fuel-efficient cars, not trucks and SUVs."

GM already sells more fuel efficient cars than Toyota. The problem is nobody wants to buy small fuel efficient cars and that won't change.

We heard the same call from teh fringies in the 70s and teh 80s and teh 90s. The result will be the same. Whether it is conversion vans, minivans or SUVs, families will always go for size and space.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:39 AM on 04/23/2009
- senorlou I'm a Fan of senorlou 101 fans permalink

I guess we'll see about that. GM does not sell any fuel-efficient cars. Not one new GM model gets over 30mpg combined. Not one.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:53 AM on 04/23/2009
- senorlou I'm a Fan of senorlou 101 fans permalink

Oh yeah, we'll also see if this big SUV thing will survive an economic downturn. My guess is it won't, and since banks are being more realistic about lending (also being incredibly greedy/ corrupt) they'll probably lend out for cheaper cars, so if people want new - they're going to have to buy smaller cars. I seriously doubt we'll be back to low-mileage SUVs again, ever.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:09 PM on 04/23/2009
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An old American Indian proverb says: "If the horse you are riding drops dead, it's a good time to dismount.", this horse, as it exists today is DEAD. Time to get off, bury it and let GM get on a new horse! At this point, prolonging the start of bankruptcy is just sitting on a dead horse with the delusion that it will come back to life! The workers, bondholders, stockholders are not being well served with this delusion.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:51 AM on 04/23/2009
- Loobie I'm a Fan of Loobie 3 fans permalink

This is what cracks me up. The workers will still get paid to stay home and not produce. It is that type of paradigm that keeps us uncompetitive. Toyota gets slow, they downsize. GM gets slow they send everyone home and still pay them. Brilliant!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:48 AM on 04/23/2009
- wdw505 I'm a Fan of wdw505 68 fans permalink

i agree 100%........time to crush the unions and these stupid contracts

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:31 AM on 04/23/2009
- petef59 I'm a Fan of petef59 18 fans permalink

A@@holes- they do not get unemployment insurance,they're technically not layed off. Get some facts, your 50 yr old stereotypes are easy,lazy lies.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:36 AM on 04/23/2009
- senorlou I'm a Fan of senorlou 101 fans permalink

You think having a decently paid workforce is a bad thing? They will make whatever cars the execs tell them to do. Wagoner dumped all their money in SUVs. He made a "hybrid" Tahoe, for crying out loud. It's not their fault they were told to make stupid vehicles. These people are Americans who spend money and pay bills. Why do you want them cut off? What brilliant job do you do that's so important compared to theirs that you can shrug off laying off tens of thousands of people?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:11 AM on 04/23/2009
- jordan3189 I'm a Fan of jordan3189 20 fans permalink

When does it end?? I tired of paying all these spoiled brat union workers.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:51 AM on 04/23/2009
- EinChicago I'm a Fan of EinChicago 33 fans permalink

"made a "hybrid" Tahoe, for crying out loud."

Which in teh lomng run was the smarter move. The small car fad will do what it always has; peak quickly and linger in a few fringe elements for a few years before being forgotten. we had the peak last year, now we have the louder and ,louder baying of the dwindling fringe element. Ultimately, the majority of consumers will go back to space and luxury. Self-denial and sacrifice is appealing while it is in vogue, but the appeal soon wears off. And faced with the inevitable reality of 90% of people driving larger vehicles and all those fuel efficient death traps rusting on the lots, the smarter solution is always to make those 90% of vehicles that people will choose more efficent.

Heck even the president acknowledged this when he chose an SUV hybrid over a plastic death trap like a Pious.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:45 AM on 04/23/2009
- desertman I'm a Fan of desertman 14 fans permalink

It's a bad thing if it forces the company into bankruptcy. A smart worker finds a job that cannot be replicated by someone in India for pennies.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:50 PM on 04/25/2009
- lcdbsez I'm a Fan of lcdbsez 18 fans permalink

Hmmmmm . . . wonder how many plants in Mexico they're shutting down . . .

Detroit doesn't bat an eyelash at closing down US assembly lines, but when it comes to the ones that operate using cheap foreign labor, well, that's different . . . -- ??????

Is it a secret, or something, that Big Biz in the US views the American worker as an expensive nuisance -- and nothing more??? If they put up a neon sign on their corportate headquarters, it couldn't be more obvious.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:24 AM on 04/23/2009
- wdw505 I'm a Fan of wdw505 68 fans permalink

you must be a line worker...... laughing..... wow "corportate"

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:33 AM on 04/23/2009

You must be Mr. Smithers to your boss' Mr. Burns.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:46 AM on 04/23/2009
- senorlou I'm a Fan of senorlou 101 fans permalink

Good point. I wish I knew how many workers GM has in Mexico and other countries. What's killing our automakers is having to pay for healthcare for each worker. Too bad it's not universal, like in Japan and Europe.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:13 AM on 04/23/2009
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i don't think they will restart most of the plants once they shut them down. Bankruptcy by June 1. it's almost over. :sad:

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:15 AM on 04/23/2009
- sb250guy I'm a Fan of sb250guy 26 fans permalink
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This is really sad. Watching a once proud profitable company like GM in its death throes is painful. I know the world will still need gas powered cars for the foreseeable future but I don't think we should worry about saving GM and Chrysler. There is nothing wrong with Toyotas. I do feel sorry for all of the people who have jobs in and around the auto industry. But rather than throw mega billions into bailouts, why not use the money to help auto workers retrain for the jobs of the future and keep them from losing their homes and starving in the meantime. They should take the under-performing divisions / factories (like Saturn) and sell them off cheap. They are liabilities at this point. Then the government should provide no interest loans to companies like Tesla Motors to buy, upgrade and run them. GM could also start producing domestic light rail.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:42 AM on 04/23/2009

Well, there is a problem with Toyotas, the money doesn't stay here in America. Sorry, but it's that type of attitude that has ruined the manufacturing industry here. I bet you shop at walmart as well. Yes, buying things from China was cheaper in the short run not the long run. Products that were American made cost a bit more but also lasted longer and were built better.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:30 AM on 04/23/2009
- AlexFTW I'm a Fan of AlexFTW 16 fans permalink
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Maybe if American cars didn't suck we wouldn't have to buy from the Japanese.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:54 AM on 04/23/2009
- sb250guy I'm a Fan of sb250guy 26 fans permalink
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Actually, I do not shop at Walmart and I am very well aware of what buying American means. I just think that, though we will continue drive internal combustion engined cars for a while, our auto industry is so far behind the curve that it isn't worth saving. My point was how to get ahead of the curve and build a 21st century manufacturing base. Read the whole post. And, for the record, my wife is Japanese and my son is half so I am not very anti-Japanese. I currently live in Japan.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:21 AM on 04/23/2009
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In reality, most of the money DOES stay here in America. Remember that they employ Americans (salary stays here) and buy parts here ($ stays here). What has ruined the industry is the Union attitudes and the MASSIVE salarys that executives are paid even for being CLEARLY incompetent.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:59 AM on 04/23/2009
- DLBSR I'm a Fan of DLBSR 13 fans permalink


Hahahaha. That's really funny. What are you going to do when Toyota shuts it's plants?

Toyota, the industry darling among some on this thread is also experiencing very negative sales numbers. Toyota Reports March Sales Torrance, CA. - April 1, 2009 - Toyota Motor Sales (TMS), U.S.A., Inc., today reported month-end sales of 132,802 vehicles, a decrease of 36.6 percent from last March, on a daily selling rate basis. The Toyota Division posted March sales of 118,563 units, a decrease of 36.0 percent from the same period last year. The Lexus Division reported March sales of 14,239 units, a decrease of 40.6 percent from the year-ago month. With month-over-month sales comparisons providing a more realistic indication of current market conditions than year-ago levels, TMS sales posted a 16.3 percent increase over February 2009. Toyota Reports February Sales Torrance, CA - March 3, 2009 - Toyota Motor Sales (TMS), U.S.A., Inc., today reported month-end sales of 109,583 vehicles, a decrease of 37.3 percent from last February, on a daily selling rate basis. The Toyota Division posted February sales of 96,475 units, a decrease of 37.5 percent from the same period last year. The Lexus Division reported February sales of 13,108 units, a decrease of 35.8 percent from the year-ago month. Toyota Division light trucks posted February sales of 37,612 units, down 44.9 percent from February 2008

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:17 AM on 04/23/2009
- senorlou I'm a Fan of senorlou 101 fans permalink

Sell off one of the last industries we have that makes a tangible good? Rely on the rest of the world to make good cars? Not a good idea. We should reboot these old companies, make healthcare universal so that the US car manufacturers do not have the added burden of paying for the most expensive health care in the world, and make fuel-efficient cars. If we let this industry go, we'll regret it. We just have to change it, scrap the entire health insurance "industry," and make better cars that are affordable.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:18 AM on 04/23/2009
- sb250guy I'm a Fan of sb250guy 26 fans permalink
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I never said that. Is everyone illiterate? I say let Toyota, Honda, etc. dominate a dying industry. Let's focus on the NEXT thing and eat them for lunch in the next few decades. There are no guarantees of course. But we have to be bold and daring. We rested on our laurels too long. But I DO believe we can do it. Partying on and buying another round seems like a good idea at the time but we need to go home, get some sleep and come at it with a new attitude.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:55 AM on 04/24/2009
- DLBSR I'm a Fan of DLBSR 13 fans permalink

Toyota did go the the Japanese government (actually the JBIC) and solicit bailout money. Toyota has seen its sales slump just as the Big Three has seen their sales slump. Keep in mind 70% of Toyota's annual sales are here in the US. Toyota's fiscal year ended March 31 with a year end loss (the first loss since 1950) of approximately 350 billion Yen ($3.5B US). I am unsure in which quarter(s) these losses occurred but to imply Toyota remains profitable while the Big Three are not is disingenuous, but that is what I have come to expect from you on this topic. Compare this loss to the $17.4 B (US) profit Toyota posted for FY 2008, and you will realize Toyota actually suffered a $21 billion dollar negative change in profitability in a 12 month period, a serious setback for this company. Perhaps Toyota will want to shut down some of their under-performing divisions and "sell them off cheap". Maybe the Japanese government will not provide Toyota the bailout money they are requesting but rather, give it to the American workers for retraining. Yeah, good luck with that.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:25 AM on 04/23/2009
- EinChicago I'm a Fan of EinChicago 33 fans permalink

"There is nothing wrong with Toyotas."

True, for over priced over-hyped rust buckets sold to teh gullible sheeple, they're not too bad.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:46 AM on 04/23/2009
- AngieMom57 I'm a Fan of AngieMom57 68 fans permalink
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Solution based postings is so very important...

A recent poster posted this...THE REAL NEWS...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NEU8FtZ6-vs

"Retool GM to make solar panels and wind power generators, retrain the workers to produce them, then take back all the TARP money, close all the biggest banks and give every US home free solar and wind power (and maintenance) provided by the government."

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:17 AM on 04/23/2009
- AngieMom57 I'm a Fan of AngieMom57 68 fans permalink
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I didn't know that the auto industry used to make all sorts of transportation including trains then stopped and now has a reason to revisit that possibility; hold that thought.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:24 AM on 04/23/2009

The US used to have LOTS of public transit- until GM diligently worked to bribe lawmakers to cut funding so as to require people to buy cars.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:33 AM on 04/23/2009
- krm1255 I'm a Fan of krm1255 3 fans permalink

I love this idea! At least the part about creating solar panels. Why not? There are too many cars for awhile and during the war the auto companies build planes and other stuff.

Even if the government doesn't give them away for free, they could subsidize it so we could afford them!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:07 PM on 04/23/2009
- desertman I'm a Fan of desertman 14 fans permalink

Yeah, the government is made of money right?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:57 PM on 04/25/2009
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