Obama Legal Team Wants Defendants' Rights Limited

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MARK SHERMAN | April 23, 2009 08:29 PM EST | AP

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WASHINGTON — The Obama administration is asking the Supreme Court to overrule long-standing law that stops police from initiating questions unless a defendant's lawyer is present, another stark example of the White House seeking to limit rather than expand rights.

The administration's action _ and several others _ have disappointed civil rights and civil liberties groups that expected President Barack Obama to reverse the policies of his Republican predecessor, George W. Bush, after the Democrat's call for change during the 2008 campaign.

Since taking office, Obama has drawn criticism for backing the continued imprisonment of enemy combatants in Afghanistan without trial, invoking the "state secrets" privilege to avoid releasing information in lawsuits and limiting the rights of prisoners to test genetic evidence used to convict them.

The case at issue is Michigan v. Jackson, in which the Supreme Court said in 1986 that police may not initiate questioning of a defendant who has a lawyer or has asked for one, unless the attorney is present. The decision applies even to defendants who agree to talk to the authorities without their lawyers.

Anything police learn through such questioning cannot be used against the defendant at trial. The opinion was written by Justice John Paul Stevens, the only current justice who was on the court at the time.

The justices could decide as early as Friday whether they want to hear arguments on the issue as they wrestle with an ongoing case from Louisiana that involves police questioning of an indigent defendant that led to a murder confession and a death sentence.

The Justice Department, in a brief signed by Solicitor General Elena Kagan, said the 1986 decision "serves no real purpose" and offers only "meager benefits." The government said defendants who don't wish to talk to police don't have to and that officers must respect that decision. But it said there is no reason a defendant who wants to should not be able to respond to officers' questions.

At the same time, the administration acknowledges that the decision "only occasionally prevents federal prosecutors from obtaining appropriate convictions."

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The administration's legal move is a reminder that Obama, who has moved from campaigning to governing, now speaks for federal prosecutors.

The administration's position assumes a level playing field, with equally savvy police and criminal suspects, lawyers on the other side of the case said. But the protection offered by the court in Stevens' 1986 opinion is especially important for vulnerable defendants, including the mentally and developmentally disabled, addicts, juveniles and the poor, the lawyers said.

"Your right to assistance of counsel can be undermined if somebody on the other side who is much more sophisticated than you are comes and talks to you and asks for information," said Sidney Rosdeitcher, a New York lawyer who advises the Brennan Center for Justice at New York University.

Stephen B. Bright, a lawyer who works with poor defendants at the Southern Center for Human Rights in Atlanta, said the administration's position "is disappointing, no question."

Bright said that poor defendants' constitutional right to a lawyer, spelled out by the high court in 1965, has been neglected in recent years. "I would hope that this administration would be doing things to shore up the right to counsel for poor people accused of crimes," said Bright, whose group joined with the Brennan Center and other rights organizations in a court filing opposing the administration's position.

Former Deputy Attorney General Larry Thompson and former FBI Director William Sessions are among 19 one-time judges and prosecutors urging the court to leave the decision in place because it has been incorporated into routine police practice and establishes a rule on interrogations that is easy to follow.

Eleven states also are echoing the administration's call to overrule the 1986 case.

Justice Samuel Alito first raised the prospect of overruling the decision at arguments in January over the rights of Jesse Montejo, the Louisiana death row inmate.

Montejo's lawyer, Donald Verrilli, urged the court not to do it. Since then, Verrilli has joined the Justice Department, but played no role in the department's brief.

WASHINGTON — The Obama administration is asking the Supreme Court to overrule long-standing law that stops police from initiating questions unless a defendant's lawyer is present, another stark ...
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- fredamae I'm a Fan of fredamae 52 fans permalink

Obama Must address the Country on this so WE have a clear understanding of his intent.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:39 PM on 04/24/2009
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My computer does not allow me to cut and paste from the Justice Department's brief, but you guys need to read the last two pages, at least:

http://www.scotusblog.com/wp/wp-content/uploads/2009/04/us-amicus-in-montejo-4-14-09.pdf

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:39 PM on 04/24/2009
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itisn't your computer; aggravating isn't it!!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:27 PM on 04/24/2009
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I think it's like a huge jigsaw puzzle where only the creator knows what the final image will be. One piece here (argue) another there (argue) and before you know it, no more arguing because your rights will be toast!

My guess is the goal is to make the Alien and Sedition Act read like a wedding invite

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:36 PM on 04/24/2009

This is worrisome. I am starting to worry that Mr. Obama is not done disappointing progressive (like myself) and breaking promises.

It is looking like a long four years -- but its still better than under that loser Bush.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:33 PM on 04/24/2009
- Mulvaney I'm a Fan of Mulvaney 8 fans permalink

If the standard is better than Bush, then the threshold is very low indeed. Although I never really thought of Obama as a "progressive," I continue to hope that he will at least listen. Which makes it all the more imperative for progressives to organize.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:40 PM on 04/24/2009
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Great point! Obama is not a progressive, but he does seem that he MAY be willing to listen to a progressive agenda. Organization is key.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:03 PM on 04/24/2009
- Mulvaney I'm a Fan of Mulvaney 8 fans permalink

This is an important issue. If a defendant asks for an attorney, the right is illusory if the interrogation continues. If an accused's request for an attorney is ignored, he or she will believe that the only choice is to talk "voluntarily" to the interrogator. I have seen it happen -- particularly with the poor or with recent immigrants. Michigan v. Jackson and other cases provide a bright line rule that offers some protection -- that says our rights under the Constitution are important enough so that they cannot simply be ignored. So the issue is whether we hold these rights to be meaningful.

As Stephen Bright said,the administration's position is disappointing. Couple with other decisions, it seems to be part of a larger pattern that is more than disappointing. Change we can believe in?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:26 PM on 04/24/2009
- eichler1 I'm a Fan of eichler1 5 fans permalink

Hey, what kind of Constitutional Law prof was Pres. O anyway? The nation has been suffering a steady erosion of the rights of the accused since the 1970s -- If you don't believe me, just survey the criminal procedure class at any law school. What is needed is a legal scholar who can lead the way to restoring those rights by cogently explaining to the public how and why the protections are important. Pres. O could have been that guy. Instead, he is pushing the Bush regime envelope, encouraging the most conservative Supreme Court in recent history to further erode the rights of the accused as they kowtow to the cops. Why would someone as thoughtful as the President do this -- unless the "change" he really has in mind is the creation of a police state?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:19 PM on 04/24/2009
- take10 I'm a Fan of take10 64 fans permalink
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Sometimes it appears tha President Obama is more interested in pleasing those who sought to deny him the presidency than those of us who helped elect him. Who is confused? Him or me? 2012 may be a bit more difficult if he continues on the present path of, those who make the laws, break the same laws with impunity because it would inconvenience him to hold them accountable. WHATEVER HAPPENED TO MULTI TASKING? Doing away with Miranda seems a bit republican. I wonder, what brought this idea to the front of the Obama 'to do' list? Of course, all of this will go away, if the article is baseless. Don't misunderstand me! I am a fervent supporter of the President as long as he remains a democrat and drives democratic initiatives. Revoking Miranda, isn't one of them!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:18 PM on 04/24/2009
- spinmas I'm a Fan of spinmas 3 fans permalink

He does seem out to lunch on many basic rights, I am disappointed in this as well as other things. He is not invulnerable in 2012, and I don't think he really cares...Miranda is good and it is working...if its not broke don't fix it...this is not the change we can believe in...the state already has its power, they have shown what they will do in many cases including the recent Stevens case, something they have been doing all aloong with poor people minorities and even pwerful folk that someone wants to get..You wonder who has O's ear..and is it a tin ear..

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:30 PM on 04/24/2009
    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:36 PM on 04/24/2009
- take10 I'm a Fan of take10 64 fans permalink
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You must be a German sympathizer from the 1940s!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:47 PM on 04/24/2009
- wisecrack I'm a Fan of wisecrack 10 fans permalink

Obama's going to have dozens of "enemy combatants" on his hands in just over 6 months so he may be preparing himself. It's going to be interesting, to say the least.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:13 PM on 04/24/2009
- missusam I'm a Fan of missusam 8 fans permalink
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The first paragraph makes no sense. The police do not follow that rule anyway. People just do not start confessing because they are in handcuffs. Police ask questions, person invokes their right to counsel ...

Am I missing something?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:11 PM on 04/24/2009
- yappnmutt I'm a Fan of yappnmutt 78 fans permalink

overturning jackson would tilt the advantage clearly into .gov favor. considering the 6th amendment is clearly meant to protect the defendant from the overwhelming power of the state the ruling should stand.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:07 PM on 04/24/2009
- urgk I'm a Fan of urgk 5 fans permalink

I'd like to second OceanSize's suggestion that somebody with legal background give us the Cliff's Notes version of the briefs.

Or, I'd take somebody with a reputable link to Salon or the like which, hopefully, would have a Cliff's Notes version of the briefs.

Please?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:06 PM on 04/24/2009
- danusgram I'm a Fan of danusgram 16 fans permalink
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This is crazy Eric Holder you betta do somethin

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:03 PM on 04/24/2009
- KCFreedom I'm a Fan of KCFreedom 18 fans permalink

Wow, this sounds like an item right off of the Bu$h checklist.

Both parties suck.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:38 AM on 04/24/2009

See - this is PROOF that there is a secret government actually running this country! Liberals do not seek these types of laws.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:33 AM on 04/24/2009
- KCFreedom I'm a Fan of KCFreedom 18 fans permalink

Yep, the CFR and it's shadow backers.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:39 AM on 04/24/2009
- sufi66 I'm a Fan of sufi66 32 fans permalink
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This equivocating diminishes Obama's moral authority. Trying to please everyone half-way is pleasing no one. Same thing on the torture issue.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:28 AM on 04/24/2009
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