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There's freedom, and then there's "total freedom," Rep. Barney Frank (D-Mass.) told a right-wing news service, CNSNews.com, on Friday, engaging the outlet in a debate about personal responsibility.

For Frank, the free exercise of individual choice is legitimate, and should be made legal, as long as those decisions don't harm the broader population. "I would let people gamble on the Internet," Frank said. "I would let adults smoke marijuana. I would let adults do a lot of things, if they choose."

That freedom ends when individual liberty imperils the global economic structure, he said. "But allowing them total freedom to take on economic obligations that spill over into the broader society? The individual is not the only one impacted here, when bad decisions get made in the economic sphere, it causes problems."

Frank's formulation echos the libertarian credo that one person's freedom to swing a fist ends where another's nose begins.

Frank raised the issue of online gambling, he told CNS, because his Republican counterpart on the Financial Services Committee, Rep. Spencer Bachus (R-Ala.), is a fierce opponent of online gambling while being okay with loose regulation on Wall Street.

CNSNews.com had asked Frank about comments Bachus had made at a committee hearing Thursday on mortgage reform. "You're substituting the government's decision for the individual's decision in whether they can afford it," Bachus had complained of the legislation. "If you can't afford it, don't buy it."

Frank pressed the difference. "We're not just talking individual responsibility," he said. "We have a world-wide economic crisis now, because of this. If it were purely individual responsibility, OK, that's why I disagree with the ranking member."

Ryan Grim is the author of the forthcoming book This Is Your Country On Drugs: The Secret History of Getting High in America


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There's freedom, and then there's "total freedom," Rep. Barney Frank (D-Mass.) told a right-wing news service, CNSNews.com, on Friday, engaging the outlet in a debate about personal responsibility. ...
There's freedom, and then there's "total freedom," Rep. Barney Frank (D-Mass.) told a right-wing news service, CNSNews.com, on Friday, engaging the outlet in a debate about personal responsibility. ...
 
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- delta7777 I'm a Fan of delta7777 10 fans permalink
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legalize online gambling???--no way.
entities running online gambling have not found how
to get away with paying our main government financial leaders
millions of dollars over the table for "lectures'.
now...unde­r the table.....­may be a horse of a different color.

gambling is a disease that ruins families and society ...
(just look at what Wall Street has done)

pot creates criminal behavior and also destroys society...
but only when it is is illegal

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:07 PM on 04/24/2009
- brenbags I'm a Fan of brenbags 5 fans permalink
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may god have mercy on your soul

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:14 PM on 04/24/2009
- Dynamohum I'm a Fan of Dynamohum 59 fans permalink

May the devil heat up your life.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:27 PM on 04/24/2009

pot does not create criminal behaviour and it certainly does NOT destroy society. what destroys society is religion. gambling is like alchohol. some people can drink and not be alchoholics and some cant.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:22 PM on 04/24/2009
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the comment said the prohibition of marijuana creates criminals and destroys society

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:48 PM on 04/24/2009
- Laserbeam I'm a Fan of Laserbeam 43 fans permalink

He said pot creates criminal behaviour when it is illegal - get it? He is right. Doesn't mean he does or does not support legalization.

I support full legalization, myself.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:48 PM on 04/24/2009
- Randian I'm a Fan of Randian 8 fans permalink

REligion destroys society and man is inherently good. To oxymorons bringing the total to three in this post.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:11 PM on 04/24/2009
- iblogleft I'm a Fan of iblogleft 86 fans permalink
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So much for free-market eh?

How quickly small government gets thrown out the window when it interrupts your morality. It is foolish thoughts like yours that put us where we are today. You know how I know? I just have to look around me to see what people like you have destroyed. Whatever you call your ideology, in practice, it is a complete, utter and devastating failure.

Now go do the honorable thing and close your lips.

You speak ignorance, people just became a bit less intelligent for reading your blabber.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:26 PM on 04/24/2009
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Chillax...­.. read the entire post and digest it before responding. It's an error I've made a couple time myself.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:39 PM on 04/24/2009
- FrankenPC I'm a Fan of FrankenPC 48 fans permalink

Looks like everyone didn't get your sarcasm delta7777

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:29 PM on 04/24/2009

Yeah,lack of being able to comprehend is killing us about now.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:36 PM on 04/24/2009
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Your ideas on pot are all wrong. How many people do you know that smoke it? I am pretty sure you are working off of what somebody else has told you.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:09 PM on 04/24/2009

Barney Frank is part of the culture that created the subprime mortgage problem. And that is stating it lightly. Objectivley, he is a key moving figure in the industry. And the suggestion that Vegas gambling is better than investing in the stock market is folly, to the degree that he has no business having any legislative control over the financial sector. What a loon.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:02 PM on 04/24/2009
- iblogleft I'm a Fan of iblogleft 86 fans permalink
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This is a widely held view, that is absolutely false, based on actual physical proof. If you read real news, and watch congress, you would already know this.

Have a nice day.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:17 PM on 04/24/2009
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yeah franchise must only wat Faux News.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:24 PM on 04/24/2009
- Amhet I'm a Fan of Amhet 3 fans permalink

Who ran the banking committee and blocked all republican and exec branch requests to investigate Fannie and Freddie? OOps, it was Dodd and Frank.

Who received HUGE reelection campaign contributions from Fannie and Freddie? OOps, Dodd and Frank.

Who received sweetheart deals on mortgages? Oops. Dodd.

Who is firmly entrenched in the middle of the whole banking fiasco? Oops, Democrats.

I guess if you read real news.... other than the MSM, CNN, MSNBC, ABC, CBS, NBC you would have the actual facts. Beleiving any of the above is equal to beleiving that the tea parties was only about taxes and racism, rednecks, and guns.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:39 PM on 04/24/2009
- Viper I'm a Fan of Viper 261 fans permalink

Pure BS.... 85% of all subprime mortgages were generated by unregulated independent mortgage companies (such as Country Wide)... not subject to the Carter's 1978 attempts to end red lining...

Bush blocked states attempts to regulate the unregulated mortgage industry. As one BUSH WH staff meber has says.. the only thing working in the BUISH economy was housinng and we did not want it cooled off with the 2004-2006 elections coming.

86% of these subprimes where then sold to Wallstreet­... not Fannie and Freddie... who dont make mortages.


And subprime was only the tip of the iceberg.

Of course by your logic, dumb poor people outsmarted Wallstreet Harvard MBAs... LOL


Regards

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:17 PM on 04/24/2009
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Top not notch, Viper, as usual.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:38 PM on 04/24/2009
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Enlighten them Viper.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:50 PM on 04/24/2009
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Hmmm... and what ever hapened to the head of Countrywide? The guy MOST responsible? Why, W gave him an ambassadorship. (after he ran Countrywide into the ground and bled every penny he could from it's customers)

GREAT post Viper.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:07 PM on 04/24/2009
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To the point!!!!!! excellent.

Sadly they only believe what their media masters tell them.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:17 PM on 04/24/2009

He's not suggesting "Vegas gambling" is better than investing in the stock market. First of all he never says that at all. He is simply referencing John Stuart Mill's Harm Principle. When Wall Street goes nuts on the market, their freedom to gamble is causing harm to society. Wall Street is gambling with other people's retirement funds. When people play poker online, which is what he is talking about, they are risking a very small amount of THEIR OWN money. And actually, playing poker is far less risky than the stock market because in poker the probabilities are all known, where as in the stock market none of the probabilities are known. I'll always make my flopped flush draw about 38% of the time by the river, but I never know when there is gonna be a bull market.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:33 PM on 04/24/2009
- b1rd67 I'm a Fan of b1rd67 39 fans permalink

The only way anything you wrote was "stated lightly" was that it was light on facts. Exactly what did Frank do to contribute to the mortgatge problem. I know it'll be hard but try to use facts and back them up with evidence. Name the bill or bills that he has written or sponsored that are responsible for the problems we are now facing. Then explain exactly how a day trader gambling on the stock market is better than someone gambling in Vegas? Not "investing" in the stock market, that was your word, not Rep. Frank's, he was talkng about gambling in the stock market, he was talking about excessive risk that was not sufficiently capitalized (another words gambling with BORROWED money). If someone you know, who doesn't have a job, and never pays his debts wants to borrow money from you and offers to pay it back with interest, would you consider that an investment or a gamble? Now let's say I wrap a million of those sub-prime loans up into a package deal, get my buddies at the credit agencies to sign off on it as a "safe" investment with huge gains and low risk, what do you think is going to happen when people start defaulting on those loans and those mortgage-backed securities are suddenly not even worth the paper they're written on? The point of the regulations the Rep. Frank is pushing are to prevent companies from pulling this kind of "bait and switch"!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:34 PM on 04/24/2009
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You obviously misunderstood Frank's comment (or your are regurgitating what Limbaugh and Hannity tell you to say). Frank stated that online gambling should be legal because it is an individual making choices and gambling with their own money. It is not an investment firm gambling with other peoples' money. The distinction is that a person should be free to do what they will with their body, money and property so as it doesn't harm or negatively affect another (lose billions worth of 401Ks in a barely legal mortgage bet).

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:51 PM on 04/24/2009
- vesaversa1 I'm a Fan of vesaversa1 12 fans permalink
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You have to just like Barney Frank this old liberal never bit his tongue over any issue ,he is always out there fighting those Right Winger for what he really believe in .

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:00 PM on 04/24/2009
- Laserbeam I'm a Fan of Laserbeam 43 fans permalink

I second that!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:49 PM on 04/24/2009
- vesaversa1 I'm a Fan of vesaversa1 12 fans permalink
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You have to just like Barney Frank this old liberal never bit his tough over any issue ,he is always out there fighting those Right Winger for what he really believe in .

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:59 PM on 04/24/2009
- Lemmy I'm a Fan of Lemmy 19 fans permalink

Well, there's two more vices we know Barney has.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:59 PM on 04/24/2009
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what is a "vice"?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:06 PM on 04/24/2009
- FrankenPC I'm a Fan of FrankenPC 48 fans permalink

Barney must have a big garage to need two vices.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:30 PM on 04/24/2009
- Bruupo I'm a Fan of Bruupo 13 fans permalink

What was the first one?

Homosexuality itself, or prostitution?

'Cause, those are hardly two "vices" that anyone supporting the right should want to mention. 'Cause...t­he hypocrisy is kinda ten times greater from the moralist's side...

Here's a couple additions for your "Memento" mnemonic tattoo collection:

Larry Craig
David Vitter
Mark Foley
Every Moral Majority and "super-church" preacher, ever

And one last one, be sure you don't let some wing-nut trick you about it's meaning later on, have it made explicit and too large to cover over, maybe across both pecs:

"The democrats won in 2008.
I cried that day."

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:46 PM on 04/24/2009
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Nice post Bruupo, and speaking of hypocritical closet cases and pervs on that side, I'd still give quite a lot to know exactly who got Jeff Gannon in and out of the White House all those times. Especially on the occassions he signed in, but didn't sign out. ANd with a false name too. HOW?!?!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:11 PM on 04/24/2009
- Randian I'm a Fan of Randian 8 fans permalink

Difference

Barney Frank is still holding office

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:14 PM on 04/24/2009
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Well, there's one more idiot/c statement you made.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:18 PM on 04/24/2009

Mr. Frank, it's time to start doing something about it. Can you introduce resolutions and get votes on these issues?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:58 PM on 04/24/2009
- logan9 I'm a Fan of logan9 5 fans permalink

I agree, the time to end the PROHIBITION on marijuana is NOW. Eliminate this unjust and immoral warfare on this humble and beneficial plant! http://www.freepatentsonline.com/6630507.html
And further, cannabidiol is proven to have palliative and curative properties! http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cannabidiol

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:45 PM on 04/24/2009
- GHO I'm a Fan of GHO 11 fans permalink

This guy needs to go away. Every week there's another self-serving speach, press conference, or post right here on this site, trying to divorce himself from the mess he helped to make at Fannie, Freddie, and of the economy as a whole. He, along with numerous others (Bush, Clinton, Graham, Dodd, ACORN, Wall Streeters, irresponsible lenders and borrowers), owns a chunk of causing this sub-prime fiasco. He should own up to it, or at least stop trying to deflect it.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:44 PM on 04/24/2009
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"This guy needs to go away. "


The majority of voters in his district apparently don't agree with you.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:53 PM on 04/24/2009
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Ha, ha. You said ACORN.

And I almost took your point of view seriously for a second, mister trolly-troll.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:58 PM on 04/24/2009
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LOL Sam!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:12 PM on 04/24/2009
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LOL

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:51 PM on 04/24/2009
- Karl Jonas I'm a Fan of Karl Jonas 6 fans permalink

acorn again? oh please...

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:12 PM on 04/24/2009
- iblogleft I'm a Fan of iblogleft 86 fans permalink
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Statistically, the people want YOU to go away.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:19 PM on 04/24/2009
- FrankenPC I'm a Fan of FrankenPC 48 fans permalink

I wish HP had a "vote this commenter into the cornfield" function.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:31 PM on 04/24/2009
- Laserbeam I'm a Fan of Laserbeam 43 fans permalink

This guy needs to GHO away.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:53 PM on 04/24/2009
- Agent420 I'm a Fan of Agent420 45 fans permalink
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I would outlaw selling short, or as I call it 'betting against the US" and outlaw the futures market. Both class A stupid ideas.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:43 PM on 04/24/2009

Well, so much for freedom.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:12 PM on 04/24/2009
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When is freedom for one person detrimental to the whole?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:24 PM on 04/24/2009
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Perhaps not completely outlawing them, but yes for the most part both of those financial creations produce pretty negative results. Futures do have an important role in pricing and valuation though.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:34 PM on 04/24/2009
- markg1956 I'm a Fan of markg1956 2 fans permalink

Harvard must be proud of their finished product. Listening to Barney should be
classified as torture and ruled illegal.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:41 PM on 04/24/2009
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Oh let me guess...re­-dork-lica­n right? Let's see...

Smaller government­... but YOUR government representative limits my choices.

The typical repub...we preach small government but don't expect us to to go anywhere with that idea.

Largest government expantion in the history of the us...2001-­2008...

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:56 PM on 04/24/2009
- markg1956 I'm a Fan of markg1956 2 fans permalink

The only group who will profit from Barney's shrill comments will be
the bankers of the Cayman Islands as money flees the country

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:20 PM on 04/24/2009
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Oh, that is just a bunch of crapp.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:25 PM on 04/24/2009
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Classified as a shollow comment.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:24 PM on 04/24/2009
- AnnfromCA I'm a Fan of AnnfromCA 176 fans permalink

He should do some real work in his life for once. Frank pontificating makes me feel ill, Mr. "Freddie Mac" is safe.

Bush warned that Freddie was getting into these derivatives and that it was dangerous. Frank is one of the idiots who claimed otherwise.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:39 PM on 04/24/2009
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He has done more for the common man than all of the republicans in the house.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:25 PM on 04/24/2009

Let us not forget the "Liar Loans" from these establishments that are now taking from the public teat. It is strange that the same people who espoused freedom are now saying it has gone too far. Maybe when you expose people to the light of day they disappear.
I have been preaching for freedom and understanding since 1967 and never thought I would see a black man as president. What a tremendous thing America has done.
Marijuana should be legalized. It is time. Stop wasting our money on a losing drug war and accept the fact that it was lost before it began.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:37 PM on 04/24/2009

go to youtube and search Barney Frank Fannie Mae and view the number of videos of how Frank, Dodd, Schumer for years blocked the necessary oversight of Fannie Mae.

And who was screaming since 2002 about increased regulation for Fannie Mae??

GW Bush and J McCain.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:17 PM on 04/24/2009
- Hank007 I'm a Fan of Hank007 84 fans permalink

Not true. RNC talking point.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:36 PM on 04/24/2009
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Any Proof. We know Frank was in a relationship with an exectutive over at Fannie Mae, but I sure it never influenced his oversight.

The fact that Fannie and Freddie gave huge sums to Chris Dodd and Barrack Obama also has nothing to do with the dems obstruction of the stronger controls sought by president Bush,

The fact that Obama advisor Franklin Raines and former Clinton Justice Dept. asst . Attrorney General Jamie Gorelick received almost 150 million in bonuses from Fannie and Freddie did not influence the dems one bit.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:49 PM on 04/24/2009
- Photofarm I'm a Fan of Photofarm 20 fans permalink

Very true, Barney Frank is an idiot, just listen to his past speeches, he doesn't understand anything about our financial system.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:50 PM on 04/24/2009
- AnnfromCA I'm a Fan of AnnfromCA 176 fans permalink

You got it. And I'm still wondering about the real story behind the CFO death.

Something's up.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:39 PM on 04/24/2009
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Ah, the guilty until proven innocent concept.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:29 PM on 04/24/2009
- Agent420 I'm a Fan of Agent420 45 fans permalink
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Another March '09 T.R.O.L.L.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:44 PM on 04/24/2009
- SarahZim I'm a Fan of SarahZim 7 fans permalink

This is simply false.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:50 PM on 04/24/2009

Ok, then tell me what body of regulation Barney Frank proposed for Fannie Mae over the years? [crickets chirping..­.] Nothing.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:04 PM on 04/24/2009
- Bruupo I'm a Fan of Bruupo 13 fans permalink

"...for years..."

Yeah, right. They had no say before they won back control of congress at the end of 2006, and the whole thing was imploding within a year of that. So yeah, if you want to be completely dishonest about what constitutes "years", go for it...

If anyone on the Republican side had wanted to do anything about Fannie and Freddie before the handover at the end of 2006, why didn't they do it? They controlled the schedule. They controlled the committees. They took the campaign contributions, too. They have no excuse. They are more implicated.

Let me take a wild guess at why democrats become obstructionist to whatever degree they did, was it because congressional Republicans with slim majorities decided to railroad endless streams of overloaded, spend-happy legislation, and genuinely anti-American policies, and endless giveaways to corporate America and the energy industries without EVER reaching across the aisle, or being willing to be reasonable, or stop hurting America as their record has clearly demonstrated they have? Yup, that's it.

Besides which, the deregulation that was the Republican MANTRA, the fiscal conservative Raison d'eTre (which they never want to talk about anymore, for some reason...)­, and was 'championed' by deregulati­on-delusio­n guru Phil Gramm (and lead to the uncontrolled speculation and mortgage-backed derivatives) was A THOUSAND TIMES more damaging to the economy than anything to do with Fannie and Freddie.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:04 PM on 04/24/2009
- Dynamohum I'm a Fan of Dynamohum 59 fans permalink

Finally, some REAL facts and a voice of reason. Take that repubes.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:33 PM on 04/24/2009
- Amhet I'm a Fan of Amhet 3 fans permalink

Everyone (except you, i guess) has seen the videos of Barney Frank telling the world how strong Fannie was up until June of 2008. (Sorry, pun unintended).

There are plenty of videos of Barney telling people he would NOT allow any investigations of Fannie or Freddie. Barney was blocking investigations in 2005. The reason investigations were not conducted is the fact that there was an equal number of Dems and Republicans. Remember all the whining from the Dems wanting to "share power"?

Dems were obstructionist to spending? The had a blank check for the last 2 years of Bush's term. They took full advantage of it. Now they have control of 2 branches of government and making Bushs spending look like chumpchange.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:02 PM on 04/24/2009

maybe Wall Street would not have imploded if Barney Frank and the rest of the liberals did not try and push home ownership up from 64% to 70%. And guess who was dating one of the execs at Fannie Mae?? Banrey Frank. And guess who took all the largest campaign payoffs from Fannie Mae?? Barney Franks and the rest of libs.

Barney Frank is a sad excuse for a human being.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:14 PM on 04/24/2009

Nice projection.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:29 PM on 04/24/2009
- i5kfun I'm a Fan of i5kfun 3 fans permalink
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Yeah that gosh darned liberal George w. Bush who campaigned in 2004 on the concept of an "ownership society"

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:31 PM on 04/24/2009
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Ownership is great, but ownership you earned is what strengthens a community. Giving loans to people who have no hope of paying it back as requried by the Jimmy Carter and Bill Clinton Community Reinevestment Act leads to a collapse of the economy.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:56 PM on 04/24/2009
- Bruupo I'm a Fan of Bruupo 13 fans permalink

Exactly.

Bush still doesn't even know how to have the people building his library spin his presidency. As late as early 2008 he was still hoping to fall back on those home ownership numbers as his primary domestic legacy. Now that the torture debates will make his only foreign policy 'feather' controversial, at the very least, until the end of time (namely that he kept us from getting 'hit', after that first one), he's got -nothing-.

Right now they can't even pay people enough to try to write those books.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:11 PM on 04/24/2009
- MAUIMONKEY I'm a Fan of MAUIMONKEY 15 fans permalink
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The sad cases are the menbers of the Wet Diaper Party (WDP) who can't get over the fact that they are not running things anymore. Fannie and Freddie? Laughable anti-gay anti-poor bigotry.

These losers don't hate Frank 'cause he's gay, they hate him 'cause he's effective at cutting through their bullsh*t. The anti-gay stuff is strictly for the benefit of the mouth-breathers.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:37 PM on 04/24/2009
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Nicely done..

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:17 PM on 04/24/2009
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Blah blah blah.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:48 PM on 04/24/2009
- SarahZim I'm a Fan of SarahZim 7 fans permalink

OMG, Bush is the one who was making every effort to increase home ownership. He bragged all about it until the bubble burst. It was a pillar of his "ownership society" vision.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:51 PM on 04/24/2009

It doesn't say much for your position when your primary defense is that "Bush was just as bad as the rest of us lefties".

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:05 PM on 04/24/2009
- somefool I'm a Fan of somefool 66 fans permalink
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Gee, you mean Republicans really aren't in favor of freedom, I'm shocked. Go Barney.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:58 PM on 04/24/2009
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