Two Key Dems Throw Cold Water On Bankruptcy Bill

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04/28/09 04:56 PM

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Sen. Dick Durbin announced Monday night that after weeks of negotiations between Senate Democrats and the financial industry, a compromise had been reached on bankruptcy legislation -- but it remained to be seen whether that compromise would win 60 votes.

On Tuesday, a key Democrat came out against the compromise bill, which would allow judges in certain circumstances to modify mortgage terms -- a process known as cramdown. Meanwhile, a second crucial Democratic vote said that he doubted the bill had enough support for his vote to decide it one way or the other.

Sen. Mary Landrieu (D-La.) spoke poorly of Durbin's compromise proposal, which is now being circulated. "I don't think it's much of a compromise," Landrieu told the Huffington Post. "My community bankers are really opposed to it and I think it's important for people to realize there is a big difference right now in the country between the health of these large international financial institutions and our local community banks...I think we gotta be careful about adopting processes and procedures that would really hurt our community banks."

Asked if she was a definite no, Landrieu responded that she was "pretty close to a definite No."

Sen. Evan Bayh (D-Ind.) wouldn't say whether or not he supported the compromise, but he nevertheless expressed deep skepticism.

"My concern about this is that in our appropriate zeal to help the four or five percent of Americans who might be faced with bankruptcy, we don't unduly raise the costs of homeownership on the 95 percent who never will," Bayh, who supported the legislation last year, told the Huffington Post.

Backers of the bill say that they are close to getting the 60 votes needed; Bayh and Landrieu are key votes needed for passage. Bayh, however, painted a much more pessimistic picture, saying that he was unlikely to be the deciding vote.

"I'd be surprised if that were the case," he said. "There's been a tendency on the part of some who are advocates for the legislation to overestimate the number of votes in favor...When I was actively involved at the moment it broke down it was my impression there were no Republicans who were willing to support it and at least a few Democrats have stated openly on the record that they were in opposition. How you get to 60 with those numbers is a mathematical problem."

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Sen. Jon Tester (D-Mont.) previously told the Huffington Post he opposed cramdown, dealing a blow to the bill, but he has yet to comment on the new compromise package.

Bayh, who has not been a principal negotiator over the last several weeks, said that he has not yet been briefed on the compromise and didn't rule out voting for it. "I'm not opposing anything -- I was one of 36 -- I voted for it. I was for getting something done in this area," he said, referencing his previous vote in support.

"But if we're not intelligent about it we're going to raise the cost on the vast majority of Hoosiers who will never go into bankruptcy and that would not be fair to them. I am for getting something done. I voted for it last year and I'd like to vote for it again this year. It depends on what the specifics are."

Ryan Grim is the author of the forthcoming book This Is Your Country On Drugs: The Secret History of Getting High in America

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Sen. Dick Durbin announced Monday night that after weeks of negotiations between Senate Democrats and the financial industry, a compromise had been reached on bankruptcy legislation -- but it remained...
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- eagledavey I'm a Fan of eagledavey 2 fans permalink

Why is this a good idea? Judges dont have enough to do?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:02 PM on 04/28/2009
- talkitreal I'm a Fan of talkitreal 51 fans permalink

This is a good idea because, the bankrupcy law, as it stands now, allows for those who own more than one home, to be protected form losing their second, and thierd, and fourth house, if they file for bankrupcy, WHILE for the poor, or the middle class, if you own just one house, and you file for bankrupcy you have no protection for keeping that house.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:10 PM on 04/28/2009

Don't confuse 'em with the facts....

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:30 PM on 04/28/2009
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Mortgages on second, third, and fourth homes are also SIGNIFICANTLY more expensive than on the first.

Pretending like they are all exactly to banks or borrowers is just silly.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:39 PM on 04/28/2009
- k1k2lee I'm a Fan of k1k2lee 16 fans permalink

Write these senators. Tell them about your outrage. I think the issue of banks and megolithic financial institutions running the agenda is as important to our nation as the inquiry into torture. We MUST take our country back!!! Take action. WRITE, EMAIL, FAX. Take your righteous anger and focus it and channel it against these weak-kneed senators -- ALL of them, including Lincoln and Tester, who have also shown some "red" spots on these issues.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:01 PM on 04/28/2009
- Carolab I'm a Fan of Carolab 428 fans permalink
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Yes, it does no good for us to complain to one another. TAKE ACTION!

I did.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:10 PM on 04/28/2009
- richinkle I'm a Fan of richinkle 17 fans permalink

Just how corrupted is Mary Landrieu?? She is constantly taking the side of the financial and corporate interests over the interests of average working people. How did she ever get elected as a Democrat? Isn't there some strong, populist candidate who can take her on in the primary? This is Louisiana, after all....home of Huey Long.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:58 PM on 04/28/2009
- CMLA I'm a Fan of CMLA permalink

Negotiations? Does the senate negotiate with bank robbers and drug dealers? How about car thieves and rapists? Then why does the senate ask white collar criminals what laws they think they should have to follow? Or what thier punshment should be when they break the law??

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:56 PM on 04/28/2009
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Harry Reid needs to send these Blue Dogs to the wood shed and stop bowing to them. He also needs to force the Republicans to filibuster and not backdown like he usually does.

Either that or put all bills through reconciliation so that we can have a democratic vote on them. You know, that's where the majority rules. There's no room in democracy for considering the "majority" to be 60 out of 100.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:54 PM on 04/28/2009

Who are you guys going to blame when you have 60 votes in the senate, control of the house and the White House? Will you continue to just blame the obstructionist? Or will you actually open your eyes and blame your party? Not likely.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:51 PM on 04/28/2009
- dcrinaz I'm a Fan of dcrinaz 66 fans permalink
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I am blaming the obstructionists in the Democratic party. The Republicans are as much to blame, though, because they are all marching in lock-step with the banks.

However, what bothers me about the blue-dog Democrats is that they pretend to be and benefit from being something they are not. We all know that Republicans are shills or even "harlots" for the banks and the superwealthy. They look like it and act like it, just like other types of harlots look the part on any seedy downtown street. But the blue-dog Democrats pretend that they are good folks working for the people when in fact they are just as much harlots as their Republican colleagues.

The difference is this, though: Most Democrats in Congress, the vast majority, are real Democrats and do stand for the people. Very few Republicans stand with the people, and even one less, now that Arlen Specter has done the right thing and is now a Democrat. In other words, there are not that many shills for the banks and superwealthy among the Democrats. And those that are should be ashamed of themselves and change their ways.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:18 PM on 04/28/2009
- dan-o I'm a Fan of dan-o 5 fans permalink

Same old sell out to the big money banking interests. The same thing happened with the original bankruptcy reform bill. My Senator, Debbie Stabenow Dem-Mich, was very vocal opposing the original bill but she changed at the last minute and voted for it. It came out that she received a ton of campaign contributions from the banking industry right before the vote. She and these Senators are taking legal bribes and the American people get screwed again.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:45 PM on 04/28/2009
- springsm I'm a Fan of springsm 54 fans permalink

Evan Bayh who is a republican in blue dyed wool and Senator Landrieu who is dumber than a stump. Someone else tells her how to vote and more than naught she is against the party anyway. Another republican in camoflage. I can't believe they call them "key" dems. If that is so, then the party is in more trouble than they know.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:44 PM on 04/28/2009
- ibsteve2u I'm a Fan of ibsteve2u 147 fans permalink
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"Key", as in a chain is only as strong as its weakest link.

Or perhaps more appropriately, "key" as in the Hessians the British hired during the Revolutionary war; the Democrats have to hope that they don't cut and run.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:50 PM on 04/28/2009
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Obama says we must become a country founded on investment, savings, and ownership, rather than borrowing. Meanwhile, Dems move to encourage people to run up more debt, while making investment and savings even less alluring.

-boggle-

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:42 PM on 04/28/2009
- dcrinaz I'm a Fan of dcrinaz 66 fans permalink
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Okay, speak facts and deal with the real world, Krugnacthemundanicent. Stop trying to make things so simplistic. Stereotyping is not good. Try expanding your thinking.

Not only do we also know that you are a shill for the banks, but we can tell you are a Republican who does not take responsibility for the damage Republicans did to this country.

Remember, Republicans controlled everything until recently. It was under Republican administrations that the banking industry was allowed to put every American into debt. The huge mortgages and the tremendous run-up on credit card debt, took place during the Bush years with a Republican Congress.

So deal with facts, deal with reality. And when you can, then contribute. This is a place for the discussion of real issues, not fiction as you like to write.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:48 PM on 04/28/2009
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Bush and Republicans also passed the strongest, most intrusive new regulations on business in over 50 years. Sarbanes-Oxley. Perhaps you've heard of it.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:54 PM on 04/28/2009
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How are Dems doing that? Through this bill? This is to help the economy by allowing an asset to continue to receive cash flow and not let default depreciate values of other assets. The slight adjustments to mortgage contracts this bill is proposing are far from the extreme cases needed to cause the theory you state above to be true.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:52 PM on 04/28/2009
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That doesn't even make sense. Cramming down the value of these mortgages means that the bank will hold a mortgage for the current market value, but that loan will be to someone with an established track record of defaulting on their loans (i.e. a high risk debtor).

If they go into foreclosure and are put on the market, someone else buys it for the current market value, but they were able to get a loan, or had cash on hand. Either way, the home is valued the same.

This is a social policy, not an economic one.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:58 PM on 04/28/2009
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So perhaps you can explain how President Obama or the Democrats are encouraging people to run up more debt while making investment and savings less alluring? Because that's not what I am seeing.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:55 PM on 04/28/2009
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Why invest in banks when their loans can be declaring void by a bankruptcy judge?

Why invest in health care when Dems want to nationalize it?

Why invest in Wall Street at all when Dems take every opportunity to denigrate and attack them?

Why save money in a bank account when an avalanche of new government spending is threatening to drive inflation through the roof?

Obama must just be blowing wind up your skirts, because NOTHING they are doing meshes with his stated goal of increasing savings and investment.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:05 PM on 04/28/2009
- mrfreeze I'm a Fan of mrfreeze 155 fans permalink
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Krugnac - Back at trying to turn lead into gold? Let me remind you that it was GWB immediately after he started his 2nd (incompetent) term who gave a press conference during which he proclaimed that America is going to become "an ownership society." These are his words, not those of President Obama. Bush was simply using code for the wealthy to do everything in their power to privatize EVERYTHING, take the money and run. You're a complete bush-league thinker.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:55 PM on 04/28/2009
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Wrong, he was talking about his misguided support of Fannie and Freddie.

Yet another Democrat Lite policy that he embraced to everyone's detriment.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:59 PM on 04/28/2009
- Pema I'm a Fan of Pema 52 fans permalink
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These two have so many sour grapes in thier mouths, I am surprised they can say anything.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:40 PM on 04/28/2009

Why so nasty?

The banking industry has the Democratic Senate in their pockets - or perhaps under the table. Don't be so surprised that Democrats are trying to eek out a better deal for the banks

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:46 PM on 04/28/2009
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Again because of Conservative Democrats, Main Street is getting the SHORT END!

Evan Bayh (D-Ind.) Gets $Half a Million from Goldman every 4 years!
Evan Bayh (D-Ind.) Gets over $4 Million from Banking Lobbyists/Corporations every 4 years!
Evan Bayh (D-Ind.) Gets almost $1 Million from Real Estate Lobbyists/Corporations every 4 years!

Does he care about People? Not after the ELECTIONS!

Banking and Wall Street Controls our Congress:
http://www.wallstreetwatch.org/soldoutreport.htm

CBS Report: Wall Street Spent $5 Billion For Political Influence

http://www.cbsnews.com/blogs/2009/03/04/politics/politicalhotsheet/entry4842645.shtml

Right NOW Wall Street OWNS our Government Paying:

1. Average of $7.5 Million to each Senator every 4 years!
2. Average of $1.86 Million to each House Member every 4 years!

PROTECT OUR Congress Members Votes:

Funnel all Political Contributions through a Government Contribution Cleansing and Funds Distribution Agency that uses strict formulas for allocating funds blindly to Politicians so their votes are NOT purchased! Fairness for New potential Members (No incumbent advantages for voting record)!

Main Street gets NO LOBBY SUPPORT while Banking and Wall Street are rewarded for their FAILURES and CORRUPTION!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:36 PM on 04/28/2009
- ibsteve2u I'm a Fan of ibsteve2u 147 fans permalink
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Don't you love it, when the righties thrust the sanctity of contract law at you on one web page when arguing against permitting mortgage adjustments in bankruptcy by the consumer (who is the worker), and insist upon the right of business to declare bankruptcy and void pension and health care contracts that benefit the worker (who is the consumer) on other web pages?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:35 PM on 04/28/2009
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The problem with hypocrisy is that it works both ways, friend.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:38 PM on 04/28/2009
- ibsteve2u I'm a Fan of ibsteve2u 147 fans permalink
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I'm not being hypocritical - or would you deny that our corporations have in fact been successfully getting away with declaring bankruptcy and voiding pension and health care contracts?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:42 PM on 04/28/2009
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Ok so let's go one way or the other. But since currently companies can renegotiate liability obligations during bankruptcy, then so should the consumer.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:47 PM on 04/28/2009

Instead of giving a straight yes or no vote, how about proposing the changes that would make it more appealing not only to the Representative who's voting for it, but also to the mass population that would be directly affected by it?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:33 PM on 04/28/2009

"probabably time for Landrieu to go Repub"
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And - Bye bye Bayh would be OK by me.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:31 PM on 04/28/2009

Can this be added to reconciliation?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:29 PM on 04/28/2009
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