Dems: Opportunity As Gay Marriage Acceptance Grows

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LIZ SIDOTI | May 2, 2009 06:57 PM EST | AP

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FILE - This April 28, 2009 file photo shows gay rights advocate Matthew Arnold-Lloyd of Albany, N.Y., right, meeting nose to nose with an unidentified man opposed to gay marriage during a rally outside the Capitol in Albany, N.Y. Gay marriage legalization in several states and the public's growing acceptance of same-sex unions have Democrats sensing political opportunity and some Republicans re-evaluating their party's hard-line opposition to an issue that long has rallied its base. (AP Photo/Mike Groll, File)

WASHINGTON — Gay marriage legalization in several states and the public's growing acceptance of same-sex unions have Democrats sensing political opportunity and some Republicans re-evaluating their party's hard-line opposition to an issue that long has rallied its base.

In recent weeks, Vermont and Iowa have legalized same-sex marriage, while New York, Maine and New Hampshire have taken steps in that direction. Polls show younger Americans are far are more tolerant on the issue than are older generations. For now at least, the public is much more focused on the troubled economy and two wars than on social issues.

In addition, over the past decade, public acceptance of gay marriage has changed dramatically.

A Quinnipiac University poll released last week found that a majority of people questioned, by a 55-38 percent margin, oppose gay marriage. But it also found that people, by a 57-38 percent margin, support civil unions that would provide marriage-like rights for same-sex couples, indicating a shift toward more acceptance.

With congressional elections next year, Republicans, Democrats and nonpartisan analysts say the changes benefit Democrats, whose bedrock liberals favor gay unions, and disadvantage Republicans, whose conservative base insists that marriage be solely between a man and a woman.

"This is not a sea change. This is a tide that is slowly rising in favor of gay marriage," creating a favorable political situation for Democrats and ever-more difficulty for Republicans, said David McCuan, a political scientist at Sonoma State University in California.

Democrats have a broader base filled with more accepting younger voters, as well as flexibility on the issue. Hard-core liberals support gay marriage, while others, including President Barack Obama, take a more moderate position of civil unions and defer to states on gay marriage.

Conversely, the GOP base is older, smaller and more conservative. Republicans have no place to shift on the issue but to the left, because the party has been identified largely with its rock-solid opposition to gay marriage and civil unions. Also, the GOP has no titular head setting the tone on this or other issues.

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In recent months, proponents have used state legislatures and court challenges to legalize gay marriage, mindful that the majority of the public still isn't supportive and successful ballot measures would be less likely.

Because of high court rulings, gay marriage now is legal in Iowa, Massachusetts and Connecticut. A Vermont law allowing gay marriage will take effect in September. New Hampshire and New Jersey, where same-sex couples can enter into civil unions, are considering gay marriage legislation. So are Maine and New York.

Political insiders no doubt will pay close attention to developments in Iowa and New Hampshire, early presidential voting states, to see how the issue plays out in the run-up to the 2012 presidential election.

Despite the changes, gay-marriage opponents are buoyed by a voter initiative in California that blocked the state from allowing gay marriage, and by the 29 states where voters have approved state constitutional amendments banning gay marriage.

For years, the GOP and its conservative base has used its opposition to gay marriage to drive Republican turnout in elections and marginalize party moderates. Measures defining marriage between a man and a woman that were on ballots in a slew of states in 2004 were widely credited with boosting the number of conservative voters, giving Republican George W. Bush an edge over Democrat John Kerry.

But there's been conflicting evidence since then over just how much that contributed to Bush's victory.

What's certain is that opposition to gay marriage for decades has been a potent tool for the GOP in rallying social conservatives. They are critical to the party's grass-roots organizing and small-dollar fundraising.

But as more states accept gay and lesbian unions, there is a debate inside the party over how it should position itself on the issue. The dispute is just one part of a broader struggle within the out-of-power GOP over its identity and whether it should focus on rallying conservatives or attracting supporters from across the political spectrum.

Some prominent Republicans are backing away from cut-and-dried opposition, and some party operatives say it's only a matter of time before others follow suit because the country is changing.

Republican Gov. Jon Huntsman of Utah, a Mormon who is a potential presidential candidate, backed a 2004 constitutional amendment defining marriage as between a man and a woman. But he says he favors civil unions and extending some legal rights to gay couples.

Last month, John McCain's chief campaign strategist, Steve Schmidt, told the Log Cabin Republicans: "Even though a majority of Republicans remain opposed to it, we must respect dissent on the subject within the party and encourage debate over it, and should not reject out of hand and on specious grounds ... that the party might be in the wrong on the question."

The shifting landscape is emboldening the gay-rights' movement, a pillar of the Democratic Party's left flank.

"We are at a tipping point moment," said Joe Solmonese, president of the Human Rights Campaign, a leading advocate of gay rights. "The lingering minority that continues to think that the way to win is to hold GLBT (gay, lesbian, bisexual and transgender) people up as a wedge could not be more out of touch."

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Log Cabin Republicans: http://online.logcabin.org/

Human Rights Campaign: http://www.hrc.org/

Quinnipiac University Polling Institute: http://www.quinnipiac.edu/x271.xml

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All this is great and wonderful window dressing on an old decrepit mansion. Until DOMA is repealed, there will never be true marriage equality anywhere in the US. President Obama himself has used DOMA as an excuse not to give the legally married partners of gay and lesbian couples the same insurance and other benefits afforded to their heterosexual counterparts.

So, long and short of it, the federal government is now implicitly condoning discrimination on the basis of sexual orientation, and that is unconstitutional, and that is grounds for impeachment investigations of Obama in my book

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:07 AM on 05/02/2009

People reach for impeachment as the first action against anything the president does that they dont like. This case, for instance, has nothing to do with impeachment. DOMA is currently the law of the land, so to advocate impeachment (which should be reserved for Presidents breaking the law) for upholding a law currently on the books is asinine. Now if DOMA were repealed and he ignored it, then you may have a point. But to call for impeachment every time a President disagrees with you waters down what the concept was supposed to address, which was serious breaches of the law.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:15 AM on 05/02/2009
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It's already been determined that DOMA will not be repealed, therefore Obama is implicit in the government promoting discrimination, and that IS unconstitutional, and any breach of the constitution is potential for acccusations of treason (which frankly every president since Washington is guilty of in one form or another). Just because no one pursues it doesn't make it any less immoral

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:28 AM on 05/02/2009
- exxman I'm a Fan of exxman 6 fans permalink

Let me get this straight. You say we should impeach the president for defending and upholding the Constitution of the United States of America? Hmmm!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:27 PM on 05/02/2009
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No, I'm saying that DOMA is unconstitutional and SCOTUS is wrong and just appealing to the conservative base who elected them

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:29 PM on 05/02/2009
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Actually, BHO should be impeached for putting state secrecy ahead of the rights of Americans.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:25 AM on 05/03/2009
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The Defence Of Marriage Act (introduced by Bob Barr, so much for "libertarianism" right?) should be repealed.

In fact it never should have been legal in the first instance because it violates the Full Faith and Credit Clause of the US Constitution (by allowing states to not recognise gay marriages legal in other states) and the Equal Protection Clause of the US Constitution (by allowing the federal government to reject recognitition of same-sex marriage, when no such restriction is imposed on the federal government relating to opposite-sex marriage).

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:05 AM on 05/02/2009
- mag68 I'm a Fan of mag68 12 fans permalink

Are you aware that Barr has apologized for introducing DOMA and has said that it needs to be repealed?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:45 AM on 05/02/2009
- Dynamohum I'm a Fan of Dynamohum 59 fans permalink

Well, isn't that SPECIAL.. Too little to late!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:31 PM on 05/02/2009
- luvobama I'm a Fan of luvobama 229 fans permalink

I love me some progress!!! The American people have waken up and we are not going back to sleep anytime soon. Equal Rights for All.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:04 AM on 05/02/2009

Civil unions are not "equal rights." They are a "separate but equal" solution. That sort of "solution" was ruled unConstitutional by the SCOTUS. Growing acceptance of a legal relationship is great, but it is not full equality. Call everything a marriage OR call everything a civil union and let only those rites blessed by churches be called a "marriage" (and that includes same-sex rites blessed by the Unitarians, United Church of Christ and the Metropolitan Community Church).

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:27 AM on 05/02/2009
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It is stunning to me how many people can so easily accept "separate but equal" laws that SCOTUS has already deemed unconstitutional

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:41 AM on 05/02/2009
- AnnfromCA I'm a Fan of AnnfromCA 173 fans permalink

55% is acceptance? LOL*

Look at the behavior of the left pundits toward the Miss CA who actually voiced the opinion of the majority.

That's not opportunity. That's simply power.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:04 AM on 05/02/2009

You would have been saying the same thing in defense of Miss CA if it had been the 1960s and she spoke out against inter-racial marriage. And you would have had the benefit of a majority of people agreeing with you.

The problem here isn't that Miss CA was criticized by a minority. It's that she and people like yourself fall clearly on the losing side of a historical trend of civil rights and equality in this country.

So smirk all you want.

Your mindset is withering on the vine with each passing day.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:16 AM on 05/02/2009
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Excellent point, and that makes you "OneVerySpecial"!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:38 AM on 05/02/2009

Good old Annie! We can always count on you to keep us safe from those evil gays. People like you are never happy unless there are laws in place to help you hate "those people".

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:22 AM on 05/02/2009
- bluguy8 I'm a Fan of bluguy8 21 fans permalink

she voiced the opinion of what majority ? The Mormon church is nobody's majority

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:26 AM on 05/02/2009

Yesterday I saw you defending a mass murdering Nazi, and today you're defending denying civil rights to your fellow Americans.

Wow. Not much for ethics, huh?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:27 AM on 05/02/2009

Good old Annie is a republiCANT. Logic is not part of her operating instructions. However, I will say that she is consistent. If there is a position on an issue that is based on fear and hatred, she will support it.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:31 PM on 05/02/2009
- complice I'm a Fan of complice 38 fans permalink

Yes, it's fast becoming the majority opinion. Give it another 10 years and you'll see same-sex marriage as the law of the land in the United States.

http://abcnews.go.com/PollingUnit/Obama100days/story?id=7459488&page=1

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:45 AM on 05/02/2009
- NickConrad I'm a Fan of NickConrad 17 fans permalink
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"Republicans re-evaluating their party's hard-line opposition to an issue that long has rallied its base."

Long rallied its base? I don't remember anyone voting on gay marriage in 2000. It was in 2004. That's not a long time. That's a Rove wedge, and some mainstream outlets even called it out as such at first, to get the base out in a tough year for Bush so that he could tilt votes higher across the country.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:01 AM on 05/02/2009
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It's not "acceptance," It's hyper-liberal judges stuffing their non-values down the people's throats.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:57 AM on 05/02/2009
- ramper I'm a Fan of ramper 14 fans permalink
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You got that right. Put the so called acceptance up for a national vote and see what you would get.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:03 AM on 05/02/2009

I've got a better idea. Let's put off this "national vote" for about 10 years and THEN take it.

Are you confident your views will prevail after that time?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:18 AM on 05/02/2009
- bluguy8 I'm a Fan of bluguy8 21 fans permalink

you'll gay get marriage approved in every state except the Southern biased ones

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:28 AM on 05/02/2009
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According to ABC News, you would be wrong:

http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2009/04/30/1917511.aspx

Their latest poll shows 49% in favor of allowing same sex marriage and 46% opposed.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:57 AM on 05/02/2009
- drjay79 I'm a Fan of drjay79 3 fans permalink

How do you think it would have turned out if we had voted on civil rights of the 1960's?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:12 PM on 05/02/2009
- DCdweller I'm a Fan of DCdweller 4 fans permalink

I sure hope they keep stuffing then. I am sick of the ignorance that tends to prevail and it's nice to have the educated few making such great decisions!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:05 AM on 05/02/2009
- HRH I'm a Fan of HRH 7 fans permalink

How does it feel to be on the wrong side of history? Bet yer damned proud of that, aincha?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:07 AM on 05/02/2009
- PCdoc I'm a Fan of PCdoc 7 fans permalink
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hmmm, you mean when a judge (liberal or not) actually follows the letter of the law

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:11 AM on 05/02/2009

Yes, Hyper Liberal judges, like the members of the Iowa Supreme Court, the majority of whom were appointed by REPUBLICAN governors and approved for office by REPUBLICAN legislators. Their ruling was unanimous, based on the rights guaranteed under the Iowa state constitution.

Go back to your civics lessons (if you ever had any) and remember that it is the role of our courts and judges to interpret the various state constitutions and the federal constitution.

The values as laid out in those written documents are clear and, properly interpreted, will result in the right to marry being available for all. I am waiting for a challenge from someone on the "Full faith and credit" clause in the US Constitution which requires each state to fully recognize the legal acts undertaken in all other states. If I am married in IA, MA, or CT, I should be recognized as married in all other states.

Every person who quotes the Bible in this discussion needs to realize that the Bible has no relevance to this discussion. Your religion does not trump my religion, which fully accepts LGBT people and relationships.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:17 AM on 05/02/2009
- tfwm I'm a Fan of tfwm permalink

The Bible (Word of God) is very much at the center of this issue. Do you understand that the term marriage is a Biblical term, that originated from the mouth of God when He joined one man and one woman together? Thus, He set the parameters for what marriage is. This cannot be changed by men, courts, government or anyone else. You do not have to believe as Christians for this to be what marriage is, just as you do not have to see that gravity exists, but you know it's there. No matter how many people say that 2 plus 2 is 5, it is still really 4.

People put labels on things all the time, but that does not mean that is what it is, we know the truth and the truth will always stand no matter what. Christian believers and non-believers alike know marriage that God ordained, which is the only true marriage is between a man and a woman. If this society would like to try and make God accept something that He has said is against His word, then that is the choice of every individual. However, please be sure that you are equally accepting of the consequences of that choice.

A person who does not believe or accept the Bible is also practicing a religion. The thing that people who practice a gay lifestyle want most is something they can never have, the heart, affection, and blessing God.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:07 PM on 05/02/2009
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