Dems: Opportunity As Gay Marriage Acceptance Grows

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LIZ SIDOTI | May 2, 2009 06:57 PM EST | AP

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FILE - This April 28, 2009 file photo shows gay rights advocate Matthew Arnold-Lloyd of Albany, N.Y., right, meeting nose to nose with an unidentified man opposed to gay marriage during a rally outside the Capitol in Albany, N.Y. Gay marriage legalization in several states and the public's growing acceptance of same-sex unions have Democrats sensing political opportunity and some Republicans re-evaluating their party's hard-line opposition to an issue that long has rallied its base. (AP Photo/Mike Groll, File)

WASHINGTON — Gay marriage legalization in several states and the public's growing acceptance of same-sex unions have Democrats sensing political opportunity and some Republicans re-evaluating their party's hard-line opposition to an issue that long has rallied its base.

In recent weeks, Vermont and Iowa have legalized same-sex marriage, while New York, Maine and New Hampshire have taken steps in that direction. Polls show younger Americans are far are more tolerant on the issue than are older generations. For now at least, the public is much more focused on the troubled economy and two wars than on social issues.

In addition, over the past decade, public acceptance of gay marriage has changed dramatically.

A Quinnipiac University poll released last week found that a majority of people questioned, by a 55-38 percent margin, oppose gay marriage. But it also found that people, by a 57-38 percent margin, support civil unions that would provide marriage-like rights for same-sex couples, indicating a shift toward more acceptance.

With congressional elections next year, Republicans, Democrats and nonpartisan analysts say the changes benefit Democrats, whose bedrock liberals favor gay unions, and disadvantage Republicans, whose conservative base insists that marriage be solely between a man and a woman.

"This is not a sea change. This is a tide that is slowly rising in favor of gay marriage," creating a favorable political situation for Democrats and ever-more difficulty for Republicans, said David McCuan, a political scientist at Sonoma State University in California.

Democrats have a broader base filled with more accepting younger voters, as well as flexibility on the issue. Hard-core liberals support gay marriage, while others, including President Barack Obama, take a more moderate position of civil unions and defer to states on gay marriage.

Conversely, the GOP base is older, smaller and more conservative. Republicans have no place to shift on the issue but to the left, because the party has been identified largely with its rock-solid opposition to gay marriage and civil unions. Also, the GOP has no titular head setting the tone on this or other issues.

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In recent months, proponents have used state legislatures and court challenges to legalize gay marriage, mindful that the majority of the public still isn't supportive and successful ballot measures would be less likely.

Because of high court rulings, gay marriage now is legal in Iowa, Massachusetts and Connecticut. A Vermont law allowing gay marriage will take effect in September. New Hampshire and New Jersey, where same-sex couples can enter into civil unions, are considering gay marriage legislation. So are Maine and New York.

Political insiders no doubt will pay close attention to developments in Iowa and New Hampshire, early presidential voting states, to see how the issue plays out in the run-up to the 2012 presidential election.

Despite the changes, gay-marriage opponents are buoyed by a voter initiative in California that blocked the state from allowing gay marriage, and by the 29 states where voters have approved state constitutional amendments banning gay marriage.

For years, the GOP and its conservative base has used its opposition to gay marriage to drive Republican turnout in elections and marginalize party moderates. Measures defining marriage between a man and a woman that were on ballots in a slew of states in 2004 were widely credited with boosting the number of conservative voters, giving Republican George W. Bush an edge over Democrat John Kerry.

But there's been conflicting evidence since then over just how much that contributed to Bush's victory.

What's certain is that opposition to gay marriage for decades has been a potent tool for the GOP in rallying social conservatives. They are critical to the party's grass-roots organizing and small-dollar fundraising.

But as more states accept gay and lesbian unions, there is a debate inside the party over how it should position itself on the issue. The dispute is just one part of a broader struggle within the out-of-power GOP over its identity and whether it should focus on rallying conservatives or attracting supporters from across the political spectrum.

Some prominent Republicans are backing away from cut-and-dried opposition, and some party operatives say it's only a matter of time before others follow suit because the country is changing.

Republican Gov. Jon Huntsman of Utah, a Mormon who is a potential presidential candidate, backed a 2004 constitutional amendment defining marriage as between a man and a woman. But he says he favors civil unions and extending some legal rights to gay couples.

Last month, John McCain's chief campaign strategist, Steve Schmidt, told the Log Cabin Republicans: "Even though a majority of Republicans remain opposed to it, we must respect dissent on the subject within the party and encourage debate over it, and should not reject out of hand and on specious grounds ... that the party might be in the wrong on the question."

The shifting landscape is emboldening the gay-rights' movement, a pillar of the Democratic Party's left flank.

"We are at a tipping point moment," said Joe Solmonese, president of the Human Rights Campaign, a leading advocate of gay rights. "The lingering minority that continues to think that the way to win is to hold GLBT (gay, lesbian, bisexual and transgender) people up as a wedge could not be more out of touch."

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- jco2008 I'm a Fan of jco2008 4 fans permalink

As a Democrat, I say the Democratic Party better tread carefully here. There are a lot of Democrats like myself who aren't in favor of changing a definition of marriage which has stood for 5000 years. Remember the millions of Obama voters in Cali. who voted in favor of Prop. 8. I guarantee you, the majority of black and Hispanic churchgoers who helped elect Obama are not in favor of gay marraige either.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:27 PM on 05/03/2009
- M1 I'm a Fan of M1 43 fans permalink
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Those church goers who followed their religious leaders blindly have violated the ideals of the Democratic party of equality for all. They deserve no consideration. They have asked for equality for themselves but denied it to others...hypocrites.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:33 PM on 05/03/2009
- antaeus I'm a Fan of antaeus 90 fans permalink
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Prop. 8 squeaked by when the opponents got complacent and the Mormons dumped millions into the campaign. Anyone with eyes in his head can read the trend line on this issue, which is heading toward approval.

Now that state courts and legislators have implemented this, the toothpaste is out of the tube. But don't believe me; go ask Justice Scalia. The USSC will not allow a balkanization of marriage law in the _United_ States.

This is not a Dem-GOP thing. It's the coming law. In fact, it's already here. Sorry to break it to you.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:34 PM on 05/03/2009
- Sepulchre I'm a Fan of Sepulchre 102 fans permalink
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Actually historically you are incorrect. Same sex marriage has existed in other societies. Currently 7 countries recognize same sex marriage, and even more civil unions (though most of their versions at least offer the exact same rights which we don't), and they haven't blown up, there is no chaos.

I have never bought the mob rule idea, let’s take a look at it. The majority in the Bible at the time crucified Christ. During WWII the majority of Germans supported Hitler. Being in a majority doesn’t make you right; it just means there are more of you. If majority rule had, had its way women would not be able to own land or property, and there would still be segregation. Court intervention circumvented popular vote because it was deemed a violation of our Constitution and its guarantee of fundamental rights. The Supreme Court ruled in the case of Loving vs. Virginia in 1967 that "Marriage is one of the "basic civil rights of man,"

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:53 PM on 05/03/2009
- Sepulchre I'm a Fan of Sepulchre 102 fans permalink
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The religious argument is interesting too. Some say you must believe the literal 'Word' of the bible, and those people often quote Leviticus to support their hatred (yes it's hatred) of homosexuality. The funny thing is those people who say you should take the literal 'Word' don't seem to follow the other things listed in Leviticus, which if you don't then you are not following the 'Word' your are picking and choosing like you accuse those who don't think the Bible should be used to alienate the homosexual population. Proof of this is at least one passage I never see followed. In Leviticus it says that any child who defies their parents must be put to death. Picking and choosing is not following the 'Word'.
Then there is the fact that the Bible itself states quite plainly that all sins are equal in the eyes of God. Makes me wonder when it was that the faithful figured they had the right to elevate sins since God said they were equal.
For those who call themselves Christian 'followers of Christ' do you think when you meet him he will pat you on the back and say 'you hated all the right people' or do you think he would just be ashamed? I am betting on ashamed. Don't say it isn't hate, because you know in your heart it is. Hate spawned in fear but hate none the less.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:53 PM on 05/03/2009
- luvobama I'm a Fan of luvobama 328 fans permalink

Excellent way with words. Thank you.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:41 PM on 05/03/2009
- ashb I'm a Fan of ashb permalink

Well put!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:47 PM on 05/03/2009
- jco2008 I'm a Fan of jco2008 4 fans permalink

You aptly named yourself. I really don't care about your self-serving analysis of our motives. We are about trying to preserve the positive value of man-woman marriage, a value which has been recognized universally temporally and geographically except for technologically-obsessed, decadent, anti-human, anti-God societies like the current US. And your point about Leviticus etc. is inane. The biblical argument has never been primarily about the OT prohibitions, although they are relevant, it is that Christ explicitly endorsed the traditonal Judiac view of marriage which is that it is about one man and one woman coming together to form "one flesh", something two men or two women can never do. And anyone with a brain can read these comments and see that the "hate" lies on your side.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:32 PM on 05/03/2009
- dm10003 I'm a Fan of dm10003 17 fans permalink
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"aren't in favor of changing a definition of marriage which has stood for 5000 years."

these oft-repeated phrases about "redefining" (as what, monogamy? or the more common polygamy, slavery, property, spoils of war?) are fading away into empty echoes. heterosexual marriage continues unimpeded, it just won't be the only kind.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:42 PM on 05/03/2009
- fictioneer I'm a Fan of fictioneer 19 fans permalink
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They look like they're about to kiss!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:08 PM on 05/03/2009
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The reason why this issue is gaining traction is because the anti-gay marriage movement failed to do what it originally set out to do. Namely, drive gays back into the closet. Instead it galvanized them and now they don't know what to do. Stay on the path that so far has produced the opposite result or move onto another straw man.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:24 PM on 05/03/2009
- dm10003 I'm a Fan of dm10003 17 fans permalink
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why are the 'phobe-tro11s so compelled to get our attention? are they desparate to impress us? do they want our approval?

clearly they have higher standards for us than heterosexuals -- sniffing our bedsheets, making us jump through all those hoops to get equality, making sure we marry someone nice.

typing is a far cry from the good ol' days of jailing, burning, ostracizing, bullying, assaulting, censoring, harassing -- not that that's totally over.

so, thanks for the compliment, 'phobes... i think...

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:01 PM on 05/03/2009
- Sepulchre I'm a Fan of Sepulchre 102 fans permalink
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Because hate it the one emotion they truely understand. Well that an fear.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:07 PM on 05/03/2009
- david43a I'm a Fan of david43a 11 fans permalink

You wonder why a supposed straight man would waste a perfectly good saturday blogging on
and on about how he feels about gay people? Over and over he orally voices contempt for himse...uh, I mean gays....up and down, up and down goes the ebb and flow of his juicy argument...
this continues until he reaches the climax of his point.....

I guess you get the picture!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:23 PM on 05/03/2009
- PhilipB I'm a Fan of PhilipB 110 fans permalink

Good point.
I mean, who when oppressed, bullied, name called etc. would not stand up for themselves?
I am standing up, for myself, my relationship, our family. This is all very personal. When people speak out against our getting married how can I not say that enough is enough!
Anyway, I do appreciate the support.
Thanks!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:36 PM on 05/03/2009
- dm10003 I'm a Fan of dm10003 17 fans permalink
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hee! i just wish religious and conservative leaders would offer a better model for support than abuse!

it's like the bully who, the following year, tried to be my friend!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:49 PM on 05/03/2009
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The Lord is my ImaginaryFriend; I shall not gay-marry.
He maketh me to lie about bl@cks vs g@ys.
He leadeth me by the nose.
He demandeth 10% of my money.
He teacheth me self-righteousness and h0m0phobic h@te.
Yay! Though I live in the Land of the Free and the Home of the Brave, I will fear the h0m0s.
For Thou art with me;
Thy Rod and thy Staff, they comfort me.
Thou preparest a life for me in the clo-set.
Thou annointest my head with oil;
My cup runneth over!
Surely, denial and hyp0crisy shall define me all the days of my life and I will wallow in the Idi0cy of the HocusPocus forever.
Cha-ching.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:32 PM on 05/03/2009
- antaeus I'm a Fan of antaeus 90 fans permalink
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Amen.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:12 PM on 05/03/2009
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NO Gay Mariage Period!!!!!!!


http://wwwamericanpatriot-vance.blogspot.com/

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:22 PM on 05/03/2009
- Sepulchre I'm a Fan of Sepulchre 102 fans permalink
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No heterosexual marriage period!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:24 PM on 05/03/2009
- JuliaRain I'm a Fan of JuliaRain 69 fans permalink

No divorce, period!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:27 PM on 05/03/2009
- Sepulchre I'm a Fan of Sepulchre 102 fans permalink
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The one thing that IS destroying the sanctity of marriage, but you don't hear them hollering about that. And that is why their critical reasoning skills fail.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:46 PM on 05/03/2009
- Sepulchre I'm a Fan of Sepulchre 102 fans permalink
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I have always thought the government should get out of the marriage business all together. Remove legal protections and benefits from marriage and make it a strictly religious ceremony (you want to be seen as married in the eyes of your religion go for it, but that is all it means). Companies and the government would have to re-write things so people could pick one person to leave their property (tax free like spouses do now), file joint taxes with, etc. It would take a bit of an overhaul, but it would be fairer to all Americans.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:28 PM on 05/03/2009
- dm10003 I'm a Fan of dm10003 17 fans permalink
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all of that just so gays don't touch your word... a word that government and non-christians and non-beleivers have always used.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:43 PM on 05/03/2009
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Sorry No GAY anything!!!!!!!!!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:42 PM on 05/03/2009
- noamjunior I'm a Fan of noamjunior 86 fans permalink

Hey Vance- I guess I think gay people should be allowed to marry if they want becasue unlike you- I DONT NEED A LAW TO KEEP ME FROM MARRYING A DUDE!!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:50 PM on 05/03/2009
- joemondo I'm a Fan of joemondo 23 fans permalink
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Too late!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:00 PM on 05/03/2009
- david43a I'm a Fan of david43a 11 fans permalink

jesseandrews writes....
"being gay is a choice live with it."

JA! my man! If I tell you I made no choice to be gay, it just always was as long as I remember such things,
and, a few million other americans who are gay tell you they made made no choice to be gay, it just always was as long as they remember such things, and tens of million more gays in the rest of the world tell you they made made no choice to be gay, it just always was as long as they remember such things,
And you still say, "being gay is a choice live with it."
You have made a choice to be willfully and deliberatly ignorant...so, live with it!

By the way, I would like to hear from any gay bloggers out there who made the choice to be gay....anyone?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:08 PM on 05/03/2009
- PhilipB I'm a Fan of PhilipB 110 fans permalink

No, I did not choose to be gay: just me, the way I am. Thanks, David43a!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:17 PM on 05/03/2009
- david43a I'm a Fan of david43a 11 fans permalink

Also JA, using the phrase
""being gay is a choice live with it."" is a contradictory statement...
Mabye you meant..
Choosing to act like you are gay? I think this would be more appropriate to support your contention...if not more convincing.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:19 PM on 05/03/2009
- noamjunior I'm a Fan of noamjunior 86 fans permalink

"being gay is a choice" is the mantra of closet homosexuals trying to justify their feelings for man-on-man love
ask any REAL straight man-being gay is no choice

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:52 PM on 05/03/2009
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And, ask any REAL straight man if he minds gays? He will say, "Hell NO! That's just ALL THE MORE WOMEN FOR ME!"

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:29 PM on 05/03/2009
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That's absolutely right. For closeted gays, choosing to appear straight is a choice, so they can claim that being gay is a choice.

Why would straight people want gay people to "choose" to be straight? Do they like broken and loveless marriages???

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:55 PM on 05/03/2009
- mydwyf I'm a Fan of mydwyf 22 fans permalink

Why do we assume those feelings for 'man on man whatever you want to call it' originate
within the person feeling them ? What if they don't ? The sodomy frequency is very strong.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:06 PM on 05/03/2009

This is not anyway shape or form the same as the civil rights fight for black, they had no choice they were born black, being gay is a choice live with it. Quit trying to force it on people saying it is a fight like the blacks and saying we hate you because you are gay please just because some idiots act that way is not the majority. Just like idiots in the gay community do not represent the majority.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:46 AM on 05/03/2009
- JuliaRain I'm a Fan of JuliaRain 69 fans permalink

"being gay is a choice live with it"

Like being heterosexual is a choice?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:51 AM on 05/03/2009

that is right they are both choices you are born a certain color the rest is choices.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:52 AM on 05/03/2009
- dm10003 I'm a Fan of dm10003 17 fans permalink
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i think you mean: any WAY, shape, or form

and you're uneducated about human behavior and sex.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:54 AM on 05/03/2009

He/she can't write a grammatically correct sentence. I think being uneducated about human behavior is the least of jesseandrews' problems.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:26 PM on 05/03/2009
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I see. One day you said to yourself "Self, I can be gay or I can be straight. On the one hand, I'm not fond of pubic hair left on the soap if another man showers in my shower, but I am fond of his scruffy beard when we're making out. On the other hand, I appreciate having a wife to do my laundry, cooking, shopping, child bearing, etc. Whatever shall we do, self?" And then it came to you. "I guess we'll go with straight."

Am I correct? I don't know what else I can read into your pronouncement that being gay is a choice. You must be inferring that you chose, while having a 50/50 shot at going either way. You're either bisexual or, oh, wait, I know. "Straight acting". You're one of those guys on Craigslist.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:56 AM on 05/03/2009
- PhilipB I'm a Fan of PhilipB 110 fans permalink

No,
speaking for myself, being gay is not a choice: it is who am am and the way I was born. I I have a relationship of two decades. We want to be married and take our place in society.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:03 PM on 05/03/2009

You will soon...not soon enough though.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:27 PM on 05/03/2009
- Sepulchre I'm a Fan of Sepulchre 102 fans permalink
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Homosexuals are born homosexuals, they have no choice either.

A minority is a minority whether it is the color of the skin, religion (has happened a lot), or sexual preference that makes them a minority. It is a marginalized portion of the populous suppressed by the majority, sorry you don't get that.

As far a sin, depends on you view of religion. However what it definitely is, is a civil matter and it became a civil matter the moment the government got into the marriage business, and as a civil matter religion has no place in it.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:14 PM on 05/03/2009
- ladyearth I'm a Fan of ladyearth 85 fans permalink

Against gay marriage on Christian principals? Then, if one is a Christian and one divorces one's spouse for any reason other than adultery, and one remarries, one is guilty of adultery one's self, according to Jesus. If one is going to apply Christian principles to others, one must also apply Christian principles to one's own choices. Jesus said it. If divorced for any reason other than adultery, and one remarries, one is an adulterer. So how many adulterers out there are against gay marriage?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:44 AM on 05/03/2009

I say live and let live, fix the civil union laws so that gay couples can have the same rights. But we also need to quit the name calling on both sides that have stirred up hate. Wheter you believe in God or not is up to you and if there is a judgement day then you will see the truth. So it is like anything else in life that you do, you have to accept any risks that come from your actions. I get tired of seeing perez hiltion on tv calling a woman a bitch for disagreeing with him just the same i am tired of the religious people slamming gays. If that is what you want to do fine as long as it stays in your bedroom and you do not try to force it on anyone. The same with the religious people keep it in your home not at work or at public events. Both parties need to go away at let it work itself out.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:42 AM on 05/03/2009

Oh my, all the unbelivers, scoffers and mockers on here, lost without hope....imagine your surprise when at the Judgment, you will know that you are wrong in your thinking...you all are free to believe or not, just as us Christians have choosen to believe in our Creator...just proves that the end of days is drawing closer.....and Jesus' return is closer than anyone knows...make no mistake, He is coming soon.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:39 AM on 05/03/2009
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Imagine your own surprise when Jesus tells you to go to hell because you perverted his message.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:48 AM on 05/03/2009
- Zen0469 I'm a Fan of Zen0469 72 fans permalink
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Dear Fred (as in Flintstone):

When you are in the ground you will be just as dead as I am. Neither of us will hear trumpets or waft on high with mythical wings. And finally, neither of us will catch the ferry across the river Lethe.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:53 AM on 05/03/2009
- JuliaRain I'm a Fan of JuliaRain 69 fans permalink

If Jebus is coming soon, republicans had better watch out!

Jebus is a socialist!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:54 AM on 05/03/2009
- JuliaRain I'm a Fan of JuliaRain 69 fans permalink

You're making baby Jebus cry.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:05 PM on 05/03/2009
- Sepulchre I'm a Fan of Sepulchre 102 fans permalink
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Wow and imagine you suprise when older than religions than yours are the only ones let in heaven (Like well all other main stream religions other than Christiainity).

Have fun!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:17 PM on 05/03/2009
- JuliaRain I'm a Fan of JuliaRain 69 fans permalink

wdw505,

please stop using public infrastructure. Remember, it has been paid for with gay tax money too!
Fight your own fires, clean your own sewage, etc...

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:24 AM on 05/03/2009
- Horus45 I'm a Fan of Horus45 37 fans permalink
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"Also, the GOP has no titular head setting the tone on this or other issues."

I thought they had a new leader for this in Miss California, Carrie Prejean?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:19 AM on 05/03/2009

Now THERE's a titular leader...

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:10 PM on 05/03/2009
- Heady I'm a Fan of Heady 4 fans permalink
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Remember kids, America is the land of the free.

Unless you're gay.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:20 AM on 05/03/2009
- helonias I'm a Fan of helonias 269 fans permalink
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Some folks are more equal than others.

Get with the program

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:51 AM on 05/03/2009
- Hirnlego I'm a Fan of Hirnlego 120 fans permalink
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Yes. Black people should've understood that.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:48 PM on 05/03/2009
- david43a I'm a Fan of david43a 11 fans permalink

OdysseusNemesis wrote...
"Spare a thought for the human race: Where are we going? Is the preservation of the human race not the highest responsibility for us all? Must the human race allow a part of it to lead it on the path to the eventual demise of the whole?" and also, the real kicker...
"Our natural instinct, however, tells us that same-sex marriage is inimical to the preservation of human race."
My friend, for starters you should really review your history of the rational for the destruction of the jews during WWII...change a very few words, such as "gays" to "jews" and you are right on track to belong to that exclusive club....
Also, as half the babies in the world go to bed hungry, and over 40,000 of them dont wake up at all I think your concern for the "human race" would be better spent advocating for a sea change in the way resources are concentrated in the hands of a very few while Billions suffer.... would it not? Also, the question of marriage aside, the gay folks are still here...not being able to be married will not "convert" one gay person to the straight "lifestyle", so, the logical progression of this rational further shows your true intent, the destruction of the "unfit"..the purging of the "unclean" etc. of course your cause is to save the human race, so it is all justified is it not?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:53 AM on 05/03/2009
- Khirad I'm a Fan of Khirad 314 fans permalink
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The social bedrock argument falls straight on its face as fast as cherry-picked Bible verses, once you put them under scrutiny. I dare them to bring it with the Bible verses (it says a lot of stuff)! It gets so tiresome when they try to pretend this is about anything else than their own exclusionary, fundie beliefs...

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:58 AM on 05/03/2009
- david43a I'm a Fan of david43a 11 fans permalink

Indeed, however, these are the same folks who believe that the world was created 6000 or so years ago and that evolution is a myth...(do you think the wild Teacup chiuauas who roamed the plains then were as fierce as they look now?)
But, what can you do? Ignorance is no vice, it is overcome by education..
Willfull and deliberate ignorance is another matter entirely!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:19 AM on 05/03/2009
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