Dems: Opportunity As Gay Marriage Acceptance Grows

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LIZ SIDOTI | May 2, 2009 06:57 PM EST | AP

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FILE - This April 28, 2009 file photo shows gay rights advocate Matthew Arnold-Lloyd of Albany, N.Y., right, meeting nose to nose with an unidentified man opposed to gay marriage during a rally outside the Capitol in Albany, N.Y. Gay marriage legalization in several states and the public's growing acceptance of same-sex unions have Democrats sensing political opportunity and some Republicans re-evaluating their party's hard-line opposition to an issue that long has rallied its base. (AP Photo/Mike Groll, File)

WASHINGTON — Gay marriage legalization in several states and the public's growing acceptance of same-sex unions have Democrats sensing political opportunity and some Republicans re-evaluating their party's hard-line opposition to an issue that long has rallied its base.

In recent weeks, Vermont and Iowa have legalized same-sex marriage, while New York, Maine and New Hampshire have taken steps in that direction. Polls show younger Americans are far are more tolerant on the issue than are older generations. For now at least, the public is much more focused on the troubled economy and two wars than on social issues.

In addition, over the past decade, public acceptance of gay marriage has changed dramatically.

A Quinnipiac University poll released last week found that a majority of people questioned, by a 55-38 percent margin, oppose gay marriage. But it also found that people, by a 57-38 percent margin, support civil unions that would provide marriage-like rights for same-sex couples, indicating a shift toward more acceptance.

With congressional elections next year, Republicans, Democrats and nonpartisan analysts say the changes benefit Democrats, whose bedrock liberals favor gay unions, and disadvantage Republicans, whose conservative base insists that marriage be solely between a man and a woman.

"This is not a sea change. This is a tide that is slowly rising in favor of gay marriage," creating a favorable political situation for Democrats and ever-more difficulty for Republicans, said David McCuan, a political scientist at Sonoma State University in California.

Democrats have a broader base filled with more accepting younger voters, as well as flexibility on the issue. Hard-core liberals support gay marriage, while others, including President Barack Obama, take a more moderate position of civil unions and defer to states on gay marriage.

Conversely, the GOP base is older, smaller and more conservative. Republicans have no place to shift on the issue but to the left, because the party has been identified largely with its rock-solid opposition to gay marriage and civil unions. Also, the GOP has no titular head setting the tone on this or other issues.

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In recent months, proponents have used state legislatures and court challenges to legalize gay marriage, mindful that the majority of the public still isn't supportive and successful ballot measures would be less likely.

Because of high court rulings, gay marriage now is legal in Iowa, Massachusetts and Connecticut. A Vermont law allowing gay marriage will take effect in September. New Hampshire and New Jersey, where same-sex couples can enter into civil unions, are considering gay marriage legislation. So are Maine and New York.

Political insiders no doubt will pay close attention to developments in Iowa and New Hampshire, early presidential voting states, to see how the issue plays out in the run-up to the 2012 presidential election.

Despite the changes, gay-marriage opponents are buoyed by a voter initiative in California that blocked the state from allowing gay marriage, and by the 29 states where voters have approved state constitutional amendments banning gay marriage.

For years, the GOP and its conservative base has used its opposition to gay marriage to drive Republican turnout in elections and marginalize party moderates. Measures defining marriage between a man and a woman that were on ballots in a slew of states in 2004 were widely credited with boosting the number of conservative voters, giving Republican George W. Bush an edge over Democrat John Kerry.

But there's been conflicting evidence since then over just how much that contributed to Bush's victory.

What's certain is that opposition to gay marriage for decades has been a potent tool for the GOP in rallying social conservatives. They are critical to the party's grass-roots organizing and small-dollar fundraising.

But as more states accept gay and lesbian unions, there is a debate inside the party over how it should position itself on the issue. The dispute is just one part of a broader struggle within the out-of-power GOP over its identity and whether it should focus on rallying conservatives or attracting supporters from across the political spectrum.

Some prominent Republicans are backing away from cut-and-dried opposition, and some party operatives say it's only a matter of time before others follow suit because the country is changing.

Republican Gov. Jon Huntsman of Utah, a Mormon who is a potential presidential candidate, backed a 2004 constitutional amendment defining marriage as between a man and a woman. But he says he favors civil unions and extending some legal rights to gay couples.

Last month, John McCain's chief campaign strategist, Steve Schmidt, told the Log Cabin Republicans: "Even though a majority of Republicans remain opposed to it, we must respect dissent on the subject within the party and encourage debate over it, and should not reject out of hand and on specious grounds ... that the party might be in the wrong on the question."

The shifting landscape is emboldening the gay-rights' movement, a pillar of the Democratic Party's left flank.

"We are at a tipping point moment," said Joe Solmonese, president of the Human Rights Campaign, a leading advocate of gay rights. "The lingering minority that continues to think that the way to win is to hold GLBT (gay, lesbian, bisexual and transgender) people up as a wedge could not be more out of touch."

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Human Rights Campaign: http://www.hrc.org/

Quinnipiac University Polling Institute: http://www.quinnipiac.edu/x271.xml

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- TFlint I'm a Fan of TFlint 42 fans permalink
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I have read no mention of employee benefits. Could it be that companies are backing the opposition of same sex unions so they won't have to pay benefits for same sex companions?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:38 AM on 05/03/2009
- Victorinox I'm a Fan of Victorinox 3 fans permalink

It might be possible, but if so its unwarranted. I doubt any company employ enough homosexuals to have gay marriage be a strain on their budget.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:54 AM on 05/03/2009
- dm10003 I'm a Fan of dm10003 17 fans permalink
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large corporations want the best people and perhaps want to avoid lawsuits, but some companies and government agencies fight it.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:09 PM on 05/03/2009
- Sepulchre I'm a Fan of Sepulchre 102 fans permalink
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Most insurance companies have a 'significant other' clause. So homosexual couples and unmarried heterosexual couples are already covered by most insurance companies.
So people like wdw505 are fighting against something that already exists from a majority of insurance companies.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:21 PM on 05/03/2009
- wdw505 I'm a Fan of wdw505 77 fans permalink

i agreed but i will only submit valid marriages for family coverage

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:14 PM on 05/03/2009
- Victorinox I'm a Fan of Victorinox 3 fans permalink

I won't consider the issue (legally) settled until the Supreme Court rules FDMA unconstitutional on grounds of the 5th amendment and rule any state level ban on gay marriage a violation of the 14th.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:01 AM on 05/03/2009
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Far as I'm concerned DOMA is unconstitutional because it basically nullifies Article 1, Section 1, The Full Faith and Credit clause, which essentially forces states to recognize the legal decisions of other states, ie if you were married in Iowa, Massachusetts or Connecticut (who allow gay marriage), then you are legally married in every other state. But DOMA, for whatever reason, over rides this, and makes FFACC irrelevant, which raises the issue of, if it's not applicable there, people could challenge FFACC in other areas as well, then we have a complete breakdown of the nation and the United States won't be so united anymore

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:04 AM on 05/03/2009
- Victorinox I'm a Fan of Victorinox 3 fans permalink

I understand that Full Faith and Credit clause will at most make all states recognize gay marriage in other states. That's not enough. Gays should be allowed to be married in every state.
Arguing for gay marriage through FFACC instead of the 5th and 14th (due process) make gay marriage a union vs states issue instead of a civil rights one. It doesn't resolve the fundamental issue.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:07 AM on 05/03/2009

DOMA "overrides this" because it has yet to be challenged in court! Far too many people forget that it is ENTIRELY possible to pass and even enforce an unconstitutional law for years.
I agree that DOMA should be ruled unconstitutional, but until it gets a legal challenge in court it can and will stand. (And it is the general consensus of marriage equality advocates that more states need to legalize equal access before DOMA is legally challenged. Assuming, of course, that it isn't repealed in the meantime.)

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:31 PM on 05/18/2009
- NWBrunette I'm a Fan of NWBrunette 71 fans permalink

Okay. But it IS legally settled in several States now, with lots, lots more to come. Finally.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:15 AM on 05/03/2009
- Lee Andrew I'm a Fan of Lee Andrew 362 fans permalink
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When or "if" I were to use the term to describe my orientation "gay" to me that seems militant whereas" I am homosexual" seems less toxic. This connotation also applies for "same-sex." Perhaps it would better to call it what it is "same-gender."

The word sex might and I sure does in some scenarios conjure up images that "some" would rather not think about in society.

I know that I'll take some negative hits for stating the obvious however using either, gay or same-sex diminishes the meanings in our lexicon - or is being homosexual merely sexual? If thats the case than knock yourselves our and retain both usages. However I think being homosexual is more than the sexial acts.

Just saying.

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    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:35 AM on 05/03/2009
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"Homophile" might be good, but you'll then have to explain it means "same gender loving" for a decade or so until it sinks into public consciousness. It was a term used for a while in the mid-20th century by pre-Stonewall civil rights groups like the Mattachine Society.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:28 AM on 05/03/2009
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Understood. Good discussion points.
I agree, some words act as hot buttons. So rather than just being a definition, they also inflame.
At the same time, I think they are needed until there is equallity in law. At that point, people can take there time to wrap their minds around it.
I've been working on wrapping my mind around it for most of my life. But it wasn't until I began to coach the occassional homosexual, that I really began making progress. It was the process of just relating as a human being. At that point, all the hot words, etc. began to fade. Now, the girls who live next door are just girls....and I have freed my mind.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:30 AM on 05/03/2009
- Victorinox I'm a Fan of Victorinox 3 fans permalink

Sex and gender are technically not the same thing. I would love to explain the difference, but I don't quiet understand it myself.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:33 AM on 05/03/2009
- Sepulchre I'm a Fan of Sepulchre 102 fans permalink
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Gender is culturally defined (the roles the sexes take). Sex is phenotypic traits you were born with like sexual organs. Also what sex you are attracted to when you reach puberty is hard-wired. So homosexuality is not a choice.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:36 PM on 05/03/2009
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Treating same sex coupled employees with discrimination is morally wrong. You ar paying them less for equal work compared to heterosexual married employees, just because you can use the the status quo and their wage-slave status to impose your beliefs on their lives. Shame on you for perpetuating hurtful inequality. I hop your gay employees slack off and steal office supplies to make up for you paying them less than they deserve. Your point of view will lose in the long run, and it may be sooner rather than later.

What is the name of your company? I want to make sure I never patronize it. I wish to support good, kind employers whenever possible.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:51 AM on 05/03/2009
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My above post replying to wdw505 somehow wound up in the wrong place.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:07 AM on 05/04/2009
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Most people these days are agreeing with you, and changing the vocabulary from "gay" or "same sex" marriage to simply "marriage equality", which really is a more concise description of what we want ie the same legal, religious, and intimate emotional opportunities as heterosexual marriages have

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:09 AM on 05/03/2009

Spare a thought for the human race: Where are we going? Is the preservation of the human race not the highest responsibility for us all? Must the human race allow a part of it to lead it on the path to the eventual demise of the whole?

It is a pity that some (if not most) people see the same-sex marriage (SSM) debate from a religious angle; or if you are left-leaning then you must be in favor or against it, if you are right-leaning. This is not true! Indeed arguments based on what the scripture says make the worst arguments against SSM — and indeed, easily picked apart by the SSM camp. Our natural instinct, however, tells us that same-sex marriage is inimical to the preservation of human race.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:29 AM on 05/03/2009
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First, there are far too many people on the planet already and the planet's resources are limited. There's already not enough to go around for everyone.

Second, do you really believe that if same sex marriage becomes legal across the planet that suddenly people will stop marrying the opposite sex? Will you enter into a same sex marriage?

Your assertions or implications make for arguments as bad as those based on scripture.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:51 AM on 05/03/2009
- DixieChic I'm a Fan of DixieChic 3 fans permalink

That's exactly right!!! 6 billion humans inhabiting the planet are not NEARLY enough! Of course, legalizing gay marriage (in the U.S.) for, at the outmost maybe 10% of the population, will, without question, end heterosexual marriage and thus procreation entirely. Clearly it's enevitable.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:02 AM on 05/03/2009
- dutchman I'm a Fan of dutchman 434 fans permalink
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What on earth makes you think that the 85-90% of humanity that's not gay will suddenly become gay if (sorry, when) marriage equality comes your way? Are you perhaps holding back because you can't marry a gay lover?

Thanks for posting the silliest argument I've read so far. I really do believe in the virtue of shining a bright, glaring light on ignorance, and sometimes you bigots seem so determined to help.

Peace,

Dutchman

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:31 AM on 05/03/2009
- helonias I'm a Fan of helonias 266 fans permalink
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Look at a population growth graph and you will see that SSM is the preservation of the featherless biped race.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:58 AM on 05/03/2009
- Victorinox I'm a Fan of Victorinox 3 fans permalink

This isn't a philosophical debate. This is about the due process of law. Our legal system is not based on the survival of the human race, not that SSM will somehow hinder that anyways. The biggest obstacle to "preservation of human race" is man-made climate change.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:05 AM on 05/03/2009
- wallyman I'm a Fan of wallyman 3 fans permalink
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"Gay marriage legalization in several states and the public's growing acceptance of same-sex unions...."

This journalist needs to decide what it is he is talking about. Is it 'Gay marriage", or 'Same-sex unions'? Two completely different legal arrangements.

Also, I think all gays should be allowed to get married. That way they can share in the misery of the institution that the rest of us are subject to.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:05 AM on 05/03/2009
- Victorinox I'm a Fan of Victorinox 3 fans permalink

Great point. I consider only allowing same-sex civil union segregation, since it creates two separate legal institutions that claims to be equal.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:26 AM on 05/03/2009
- dm10003 I'm a Fan of dm10003 17 fans permalink
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"Also, I think all gays should be allowed to get married. That way they can share in the misery of the institution that the rest of us are subject to.:

this joke is soo tired.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:13 PM on 05/03/2009
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I'm glad to see someone bringing up the issue of money, as in, it's going to cost your company money to have to provide health insurance for same sex partners of gay people who are in your employ. Finally, someone takes it out of the dumb moral realm within which the issue has dwelled too long. It surely is about money and because of that, it's about discrimination. If you have no problem providing coverage for heterosexual married partners, and then you deny it to homosexual partners, that is discrimination. When the gov't does not allow survivors to received a spouse's SSI because of a survivors sex (not even sexual orientation), it's discrimination. The American gov't and American people have been ripping off homosexuals since it's birth. We're expected to pay the same price to live here and enjoy it's benefits but aren't receiving the same benefits. If something similar was happening in a retail store (we'll take your money, but you can't have the shirt), that retail store would be in big trouble. It's time for the pickpocketing to stop. It's discrimination and it's criminal.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:05 AM on 05/03/2009

i think obama is wise not to get involved in this debate. let the people make the changes. this is honestly the first time i feel like us (the unelected people) can actually bring about change...which is the way that the founding fathers intended it to be.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:58 AM on 05/03/2009
- david43a I'm a Fan of david43a 11 fans permalink

Please remember what the definition of a "leader" is.....

i do disagree with the prez on several aspects of this issue, however, I do think he is a leader and in general, leading us in the right direction....thats what leaders do....

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:58 AM on 05/03/2009
- NWBrunette I'm a Fan of NWBrunette 71 fans permalink

America just might arrive out of the Dark Ages and in to the 21st century dragging all the right wing fundies kicking and screaming along with us. What a long, long, long time coming.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:55 AM on 05/03/2009
- fuelrod I'm a Fan of fuelrod 3 fans permalink

you know why Obama is against same sex marriage ? He wants to get elected again...

HELLO... Biden too....

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:35 AM on 05/03/2009
- antaeus I'm a Fan of antaeus 90 fans permalink
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Of course. In 1996 Obama said he was for same-sex marriage.

Does anyone in their right mind think he's going to nominate a USSC justice who is hostile to the idea? Please.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:45 AM on 05/03/2009
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Did anyone expect Obama to have Rick Warren deliver his inaugural invocation?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:13 AM on 05/03/2009
- NWBrunette I'm a Fan of NWBrunette 71 fans permalink

Such a leader. Right out front leading the charge for equal rights. Right.... What, does Obama need every dude in America to be gay before he repeals DADT? The guy's got more political capital stashed away then anyone in recent memory, the tide of the country as clearly and unambiguously changed and still he's dilly dallying.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:59 AM on 05/03/2009
- Victorinox I'm a Fan of Victorinox 3 fans permalink

I think his record shows he's for same sex marriage, but he refuse to public state so because the majority of Americans are against gay marriage. He would have lost quiet a few of the swing states if he galvanized the evangelicals.

Just to be clearly, I'm not judging whether such a move is ethical. This is one of those "means justify the ends" dilemmas.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:52 AM on 05/03/2009

Obama has done drugs so he has a much better and clearer understanding of them. its the ones who never did any that scream the loudest against them, the ones that know the least. its the same with gay people. he is a man of the people, he probably has known some gay people and so he sees that they are not monsters wanting to eat children. its the ones that know so little that make the most noise. most people have smoked a joint and most people have known someone gay and those people are better informed than those who live in thier little world of ignorance and have never done anything. didnt mess obama up, he made it all the way to the whitehouse didnt he, and he is more calm and tolerant than most politicians because he DOES have some practical experience, not just some bible waving idiot who has never experienced anything but thier own hate and ignorance.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:59 AM on 05/03/2009
- EyeDoc007 I'm a Fan of EyeDoc007 5 fans permalink
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Can you tell me what other positions he lied about to get elected?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:30 AM on 05/03/2009
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If we can't judge a leader by what he SAYS ("Marriage is between a man and a woman") what do we judge him on?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:14 AM on 05/03/2009

I don't think most people believe in gay marriage, and I don't think the supreme court or the federal government is going to force the 30 states who have voted on this issue to allow gay marriages.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:29 AM on 05/03/2009
- antaeus I'm a Fan of antaeus 90 fans permalink
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The U.S. Supreme Court is never going to allow a _United_ States to have balkanized marriage laws.

They are going to say that Catholic churches, for example, already can turn away non-Catholics who want to be married in those churches. So the same for gays. If your church wants to say no gay weddings, then fine. But if your neighbor gays get married by a justice of the peace, then it's none of your business.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:36 AM on 05/03/2009
- wdw505 I'm a Fan of wdw505 77 fans permalink

it is my business when you expect my business to pay for family coverage for your spouse of the same sex......you just made it my business

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:40 AM on 05/03/2009

I want an amendment to ban the catholic church! wait, I think we have one sort of like that.....it just gets ignored.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:01 AM on 05/03/2009

I have no idea what you just said.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:19 PM on 05/03/2009
- NWBrunette I'm a Fan of NWBrunette 71 fans permalink

You might want to actually read the article.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:44 AM on 05/03/2009
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CarsnTrucks said it perfectly.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:57 AM on 05/03/2009
- joemondo I'm a Fan of joemondo 23 fans permalink
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Elitist.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:20 AM on 05/03/2009
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The plurality of Americans in the latest ABC poll now favor legalizing same sex marriage. Add civil union equivalents to that and the Majority of the US now favors treating same sex couples with legal equality to heterosexual married couples. You may not like it but your hurtful philosophy of discrimination is losing popularity, as people become more aware of the unfairness and irrationality of the status quo.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:41 AM on 05/03/2009

You'd think after all the polling done that said Prop 8 would fail, and yet it didn't, that people would be a bit more leery of polls.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:49 PM on 05/03/2009
- dm10003 I'm a Fan of dm10003 17 fans permalink
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two points that are perhaps current facts (the fed can't address marriage anyway) but are EXCUSES for equality.

take your pick of quotes: http://www.google.com/search?ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&sourceid=navclient&gfns=1&q=quotations%2C+excuses

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:20 PM on 05/03/2009

This is a policy question, not a civil rights question. Supporters claim it's one of equality because that can get a bunch of well-meaning yet ignorant people to fall in line with the rallying cry. It's to justify people shoehorning their ideas through the courts instead of putting in the nuts and bolts work of actually changing people's minds.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:51 PM on 05/03/2009

I just waiting for the California Supreme Court decision that will probably require the legislature to no longer recognize any marriages, but only civil unions or domestic partnerships. That will get legislation moving in all the states..

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:53 AM on 05/03/2009
- wdw505 I'm a Fan of wdw505 77 fans permalink

why would it

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:03 AM on 05/03/2009
- SFMuscular I'm a Fan of SFMuscular 2 fans permalink

The Supreme Court is very unlikely to issue such a ruling because that issue is not before them. The issue before them is whether Proposition 8 is constitutional. If it is ruled constitutional, then there will be no further same-sex marriage licenses issued in California. If it is ruled unconstitutional, then same-sex marriage licenses will again be issued in California.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:22 AM on 05/03/2009
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There is already a petition in Ca being circulated to get ANOTHER measure on the ballot to overturn Prop 8. And THIS is why human rights issues should never be voted on. Implemented by a court backed legislation by the state legislature, yes, but not voted on, ever

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:22 AM on 05/03/2009
- wdw505 I'm a Fan of wdw505 77 fans permalink

America needs to bring the shock factor back. If a 14 year old girl is pregnant, it is not a reason to throw a party the age of consent has not been reached and society will judge. Your kid tattoos his/her body beyond belief society will judge. Body pierce your face society will judge. A felon is released on to society depending on the crime where he/she can live and work is judged. If you are on welfare for an extended period of time society will judge. Your son wants to marry his boyfriend this not a happy occasion. Until recently it was illegal. Society will judge still.

More things that society judges to be aberrant, wrong, illegal or just plain bizarre, less people will go down that path. Society is kept in check. Peer pressure can be good.

Marriage is between two people but it is also between them and the wider society. The two gender couple gives society further stability by uniting the necessary feminine contribution to child-rearing with the necessary masculine contribution. Society in return gives the couple honor and privileges.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:51 AM on 05/03/2009
- antaeus I'm a Fan of antaeus 90 fans permalink
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Two same-sex partners who have a legal marriage contract don't take one thing away from the idealized hetero marriages you describe.

You have an obligation to go fight divorce before you do one more thing, even post another comment. Given your concerns about society being "kept in check," you have your work cut out for you. Until you solve the easy divorce problem, don't bother innocent gay couples.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:08 AM on 05/03/2009
- wdw505 I'm a Fan of wdw505 77 fans permalink

if a person that gets a divorce does not cost my company any more for that bad decision......while adding an EMP with a gay marriage does cost me more money...... people who wish to work in the front office with visible tattoos, visible body piercings, or felonies are never hired. Dye your hair to an unnatural hair color you will have 24 hours to fix it or lose your job

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:29 AM on 05/03/2009
- wdw505 I'm a Fan of wdw505 77 fans permalink

all people working in the front office have a morals clause in their employment contract........infidelity is immoral and may be fired as ohio is an at will state....

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:37 AM on 05/03/2009
- atomic I'm a Fan of atomic 69 fans permalink
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Not sure how you came up with such twisted up way of thinking. Homosexuality is a natural part of the human genome ... it's part of nature. You can say or make up anything you want about it. Claim it's something bad or wrong but it won't do any good. You can't separate it from the world no matter what bad information you were taught growing up.

The cool thing now is that you are your own person and you can decide to see things as they are and not through the eyes of fear and snobbery.

It's part of the system. It's nature. You can't stop it because it's supposed to be here. Marriage doesn't matter except to those who decide to mary each other. If two people want to say "hey! let's be together and combine all our stuff" what's the big deal? So for some it means they can also make another person ... great. There is no down side to this ... it's the natural order. Most people have thoughts about the same sex in their lives ... because we are supposed to love each other ... it's biological.

The weird part is where little boys and girls are supposed to grow up a be a certain way. That's unnatural if you ask me. This is something that scares people because they were taught a bunch of stuff that was all wrong in the first place ...

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:06 AM on 05/03/2009
- Sepulchre I'm a Fan of Sepulchre 102 fans permalink
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How 1950's of you. Some heterosexual couples have no interst in having kids. I guess they don't fit your model so should not be allowed to marry.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:39 AM on 05/03/2009
- Skepticat I'm a Fan of Skepticat 64 fans permalink
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Most people under 65 do not feel the same compulsion to exercise social control over the lives of others that you seem to have.Like it or not you're stuck in a pluralistic society that is becoming more - not less diverse. Social control and morality are based on consensus - and there's less consensus than there used to be. That's why you now have inter-racial and inter-religious marriages, non marital sex, divorce, same sex marriages, Sunday shopping, provocative music and fashions, tattoos - green hair and the alcohol prohibition was repealed. You can't get enough people together to make these and other things you may dislike wrong, aberrant, illegal or even just widely accepted as bizarre anymore. The ability of the employer to control non work aspects of the employees life is likely to become even more limited over time.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:26 AM on 05/03/2009
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The progressive movement should not relax despite the rising acceptance for LGBTs and same-sex unions. The movement should remain vigilant, convince more people to join the cause, and give no quarter to the conservative counter-movement. A whole spectrum of social issues are at stake should conservatism dominate again. Racism, sexism, xenophobia, and every form of bigotry might be popularized again should the right return to power. Efforts should also be done to convince the right to turn away from their backwardness.

Stay strong Progressive America. The struggle is not over yet.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:41 AM on 05/03/2009
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It's not even close to being over.

Obama, who was dubbed "the most liberal senator in the Senate", is now apparently backtracking so much on his promise to repeal Don't Ask Don't Tell that some are saying all indications are that he no longer has any intention of repealing it! This is amazing to me, particularly given that the majority of Americans have been against anti-gay workplace discrimination since the 1990s and most Americans favor getting rid of the absurd policy that is Don't Ask Don't Tell, a policy the military itself doesn't even follow with its illegal 1998 secret handbook policy that says stop-loss should be abused to retain openly gay soldiers whenever the military finds it convenient and to discharge them later.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:48 AM on 05/03/2009
- wdw505 I'm a Fan of wdw505 77 fans permalink

sounds good to me

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:53 AM on 05/03/2009
- NWBrunette I'm a Fan of NWBrunette 71 fans permalink

Amen to that. You are absolutely right. Vigilant and relentless.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:47 AM on 05/03/2009
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"Hard-core liberals oppose slavery, while others, including President Buchanan, take a more moderate position of segregation in the North and slavery in the South and defer to states on the legality of marriage between blacks."

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:29 AM on 05/03/2009
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Wrong is not moderate, Ms. Sidoti.

The 1st and 14th Amendments say that religion can't be the basis for our law and that gay people have the same rights -- and no state can rescind them.

It's been a scientific fact since 1956 that homosexuality isn't a disorder (Dr. Hooker was the first researcher to not use a polluted sample yielding an illusory correlation between homosexuality and mental illness).

There is nothing "hard core liberal" about defending the Constitution. There is nothing "hard core liberal" and defending the citizenship of every American.

There is nothing "hard core liberal" about not allowing bigotry to take away someone's liberty and happiness.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:38 AM on 05/03/2009
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liberals favor gay unions

But that is a small manority

The rest of the Countries "We the People" Still do not

So its not going to fly!!!!!!!!!!!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:29 AM on 05/03/2009
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In 1958, the Christian fundamentalist preacher Jerry Falwell, at the time a defender of segregation, in a sermon railed against integration, warning that it would lead to miscegenation, which would "destroy our [white] race eventually."[133]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Miscegenation#United_States

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:39 AM on 05/03/2009
- SFMuscular I'm a Fan of SFMuscular 2 fans permalink

You are wrong! The latest Quinnipiac poll found that 57% of Americans favor civil unions for same-sex couples and only 38% are opposed. You are in the 38% minority. You are not in the majority.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:21 AM on 05/03/2009
- antaeus I'm a Fan of antaeus 90 fans permalink
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Newsflash: it's already flying.

Just because Alabama and Tennessee aren't leading the way does not mean that they can stop it. The toothpaste is out of the tube. The U.S. Supreme Court will never allow the natino to live under balkanized marriage laws . . . I hate to break it to you.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:29 AM on 05/03/2009
- NWBrunette I'm a Fan of NWBrunette 71 fans permalink

"manority" - now that's funny!

And what about lesbian unions? Got a problem with that too? Or are females getting it on right up your alley?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:02 AM on 05/03/2009
- Victorinox I'm a Fan of Victorinox 3 fans permalink

United States is a republic before democracy. Just because the majority of Americans oppose gay marriage does not mean the due process can be suspended. It would amount to tyranny of the majority.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:11 AM on 05/03/2009
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