Republicans Defend Tax Havens Against Obama Crackdown

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President Obama and Treasury Secretary Tim Geithner announced on Monday a crackdown on offshore tax havens that could produce $210 billion in new tax revenue over the next decade.

The White House will face opposition to the proposal from the business community and Congress. Before the announcement, a Republican leadership staffer circulated an email citing a Bloomberg report saying the proposal "would be the biggest tax increase on U.S. corporations since 1986." And Senate GOP leader Mitch McConnell (Ken.) said later on Monday that he could not endorse Obama's plan since it "gives preferential treatment to foreign companies at the expense of U.S.-based companies."

But the amount Obama's plan would reportedly save is a far cry from the estimated $1 trillion the United States loses to offshore tax havens over a ten-year period. A 2008 Senate report (PDF) estimated that "the United States loses an estimated $100 billion in tax revenues due to offshore tax abuses" every year.

In January, the Government Accountability Office issued a report (PDF) that found that 83 of the 100 largest publicly traded U.S. corporations reported subsidiaries in countries listed as tax havens or "financial privacy jurisdictions."

Many of those corporations are beneficiaries of billions in taxpayer dollars under the Troubled Asset Relief Program. Morgan Stanley, for instance, boasts 273 subsidiaries in tax havens, with 158 in the Cayman Islands alone. Citigroup's got 427, with 90 in the Cayman Islands, and 59 of Bank of America's tax-haven subsidiaries are there as well.

The GAO found 18,857 businesses are registered at just one address in the Cayman Islands -- the "Ugland House." The report said that "Ugland House registered entities included investment funds, structured-finance vehicles, and entities associated with other corporate activities."

The Treasury Department pooh-poohed the GAO's list of countries because there is no agreed-upon definition of a tax haven. "Even though coming up with a list of countries has significant appeal, any list of countries is likely to be under-inclusive as well as over-inclusive," the Treasury wrote. "Moreover, because any such list is likely to be regarded as a blacklist and may be used as the basis for the imposition of sanctions or other negative measures, such a list may inappropriately negatively affect our economic and other relations with listed countries."

On tax day, April 15, the U.S. Public Interest Research Group issued a report with a state-by-state breakdown of the cost to taxpayers of corporate tax evasion in offshore havens.


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President Obama and Treasury Secretary Tim Geithner announced on Monday a crackdown on offshore tax havens that could produce $210 billion in new tax revenue over the next decade. The White House w...
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Barbarica has a point. Individuals who own the corpration pay personal income taxes on what they make. Stockholders pay capital gains on what they make. If you lower the corporate tax rate to 12.5% like that of Ireland, you'd unleash a flood of investment capital from overseas creating jobs in this country, making the tax base bigger, and increasing federal tax collections. http://theclosetconservative.com

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:05 PM on 05/04/2009
- Badfickle I'm a Fan of Badfickle 133 fans permalink

Because of tax loopholes and off shore tax havens American based multinational corporations in this country pay on average a effective 2% tax rate. The tax on dividends is only 15%.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:11 PM on 05/04/2009
- Badfickle I'm a Fan of Badfickle 133 fans permalink

John McCain's economic adviser showed that corporate tax cuts are one of the least effective means of stimulating the economy.

http://www.cbpp.org/cms/index.cfm?fa=view&id=2269

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:23 PM on 05/04/2009

So? McCain is just an older whiter version of 0bama.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:56 PM on 05/04/2009

Oh Ireland isn't working out for Corporations btw. Also those companies in Ireland and other countries have to pay health care for their employees it's the law.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:58 PM on 05/04/2009

Where did you get that about employers paying for employee health care? Ireland has a national system similar to that of most other countries -

"All persons resident in Ireland are entitled to receive health care through the public health care system, which is managed by the Health Service Executive and funded by general taxation. A person may be required to pay a subsidised fee for certain health care received; this depends on income, age, illness or disability. All child health and maternity services are provided free of charge as is emergency care." (Wikipedia)

Putting the burden on the employer is a US eccentricity and one which, for instance, has been a huge burden on the car companies and has contributed in a big way to their problems.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:29 PM on 05/04/2009
- The Ghost I'm a Fan of The Ghost 47 fans permalink
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Ireland's economy is in the tank, or don't you read the papers? They have no $$$ to pay their bills cause they gave it all to the greedy people.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:23 PM on 05/04/2009
- mjtaylor22 I'm a Fan of mjtaylor22 45 fans permalink
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I AM SORRY BUT AS A SMALL BIZ OWNER AND TAX PREPARER, IM GONNA TEL YOU INDIVIDUALS GET HAMMERED AT TAX TIME ALLTHE DEDUCTIONS ARE FOR SMALL BIZ, BIG BIZ ETC, INDIVIDUALS, THE TAX MAN ROBS THEM BLIND, INDIVIDUALS ARE HORRIBLE BOOK KEEPERS, THEREFORE THEY DO NOT EVEN GET ALL THEIR DEDUCTIONS ENTITLED TO THEM.
CONTRAST THIS TO A CORPORATION, MAKING MILLIONS OR BILLIONS, AND HIDING LARGE SUMS OF INCOME OFFSHORE TO FURTHER AVOID PAYING TAXES AT THE REDUCED CORPORATE TAX RATE, WITH ALL THEIR CURRENT DEDUCTIONS AND LOOPHOLES IN PLACE,
THAT IS IMMORAL AND UNETHICAL, AND SHOULD BE ILLEGAL AND PROBABLY IS, JUST THE BUSH YEARS HAS EVERYONE CONFUSED, I NEVER THOGHT ANYONE IN MY NATION WOULD DEFEND TORTURE , AND YET IN STILL I HAVE LIVED TO SEE THIS SAD DAY COME TO AMERICA WHERE TORTURE IS DEFENDED BY A MAJOR POLITICAL PARTY AND THE REPORTERS ARE TOO COMPLACENT TO OBJECT TO PEOPLE TARNISHING OUR NATIONAL CREDITABILITY AND INTEGRITY LIEK THAT.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:15 AM on 05/05/2009
- hollybork I'm a Fan of hollybork 66 fans permalink

I confirm what you are saying. When I went from being a corporation to being an individual employees, my taxes went through the roof. You are absolutely right that all the code is written to slant in favor of businesses and corporations.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:44 PM on 05/05/2009
- barbarica I'm a Fan of barbarica 7 fans permalink

First of all, no corporation should pay any taxes. Corporations are owned by individuals who pay taxes. But yeah, if you do have corporate taxes, then no company should be allowed to incorporate offshore in order to avoid taxes. Of course, most companies incorporate in Delaware. Ask Biden about this, maybe he can educate us a little.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:47 PM on 05/04/2009
- The Ghost I'm a Fan of The Ghost 47 fans permalink
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"no corporation should pay any taxes" Why? Are you high?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:53 PM on 05/04/2009
- hilary916 I'm a Fan of hilary916 34 fans permalink
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Drinkin' that Potomac River water again.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:00 PM on 05/04/2009
- BigAl72 I'm a Fan of BigAl72 144 fans permalink
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Small business owners pay personal taxes and so do their small businesses.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:56 PM on 05/04/2009
- USA2Sense I'm a Fan of USA2Sense 6 fans permalink

Are you nuts? ALL corporations and ALL non-profits, hospitals, churches etc. etc. etc. should pay at least 10% across the board on ALL assets they hold i.e. all the real estate the Catholic Church owns - and it should be paid every single year..........and ALL foreign corporations in this country should be paying taxes - over the last decade, less than 5% of ALL foreign corporations paid ANY taxes in the country - do yo really think that is right? And of all of our domestic corporations in this country - less than 15% of them paid any taxes - with all the loopholes and write-offs - who pays the majority of taxes in this country - the middle class, who are the worker-bees of this nation.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:12 PM on 05/04/2009
- Badfickle I'm a Fan of Badfickle 133 fans permalink

Then dividends should be taxed at the regular income tax level instead of only 15%.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:14 PM on 05/04/2009
- barbarica I'm a Fan of barbarica 7 fans permalink

Well yeah, except remember, the investors are creating the jobs so just a thought for you there.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:32 PM on 05/04/2009
- Epiphany2b I'm a Fan of Epiphany2b 20 fans permalink
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"The defining feature of a corporation is its legal independence from the people who create it.
Despite not being natural persons, corporations are recognized by the law to have rights and responsibilities like actual people. . . . Corporations can even be convicted of criminal offenses, such as fraud and manslaughter." Wikipedia (probably hadn't ought to be quoting from there, but . . . . )

Think of it as a birth as the result of a group effort. (Not a pretty picture) Corporations seldom, if ever, belong to just one person, and if they have the "rights" of an individual they should share the responsibilities, I would think.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:31 PM on 05/04/2009
- barbarica I'm a Fan of barbarica 7 fans permalink

Yeah, you could look at them as an independent entity, ripe for taxation, but I don't know how you can argue that corporate taxes don't kill jobs. For me, it's all about the jobs.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:49 PM on 05/04/2009
- weatherwaxx I'm a Fan of weatherwaxx 259 fans permalink

At this point, corporations have far more rights than individual Americans.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:04 AM on 05/05/2009
- bud812 I'm a Fan of bud812 9 fans permalink
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Funny they wont send me my return because i owed back taxes of $786,which i have actually already paid.But my point is they say i owed this little money and withheld my refund but these crooks can hide billions in plain sight,troubling how money makes people behave i feel like im on the wrong planet half the time.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:47 PM on 05/04/2009

Its called cake and eat it too.....But the most ironic thing about it is they..( rethugs).. talk about it like were (American)....people are not end the room.............Height of hypocrisy .

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:42 PM on 05/04/2009
- CarmanK I'm a Fan of CarmanK 41 fans permalink

The GAO found 18,857 businesses are registered at just one address in the Cayman Islands -- the "Ugland House." The report said that "Ugland House registered entities included investment funds, structured-finance vehicles, and entities associated with other corporate activities."

Republicorps on Capital Hill object to Obama's approach to close tax loop holes for overseas tax evaders. Gee is anyone really surprised. Actually, I think the GAO needs to publish that list of businessess registered at one address in the Cayman Islands. If I remember 60 Minutes put Halliburton in the Caymans a few years ago on such a story of so many companies listed at one buidling address. The Party of NO, the Republicorps are business puppets, they have no human principles left to exploit, even the extreme right is getting tired of their lies and failures. The Republicorps serve BUSINESS INTERESTS, and in the name of one of their followers, these guys do a whole lot of talking about listening, but don't stop talking, long enough to listen, especially if someone is saying something they don't want to hear. OBAMA clean up the tax loop holes, collect the royalties owed the Ame rican people from oil companies. Those 800 inspectors should help a lot toward collecting the money. I sure would like to be one of those auditors.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:42 PM on 05/04/2009
- barbarica I'm a Fan of barbarica 7 fans permalink

If they invest in China and then sell in China, why should they pay taxes in the US? All they're going to do is create a subsidiary in the other nation or use some other means to avoid this absurd tax. Liberals are putting everyone out of business.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:35 PM on 05/04/2009
- The Ghost I'm a Fan of The Ghost 47 fans permalink
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Don't let the door hit you on the butt on your way out.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:39 PM on 05/04/2009
- Epiphany2b I'm a Fan of Epiphany2b 20 fans permalink
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Not that I agree with barbarica's argument, but it would be nice to see a reasoned rebuttal rather than an insult. The typical insult answer is like saying "You're wrong, but I don't know why."

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:22 PM on 05/04/2009

Very little of this activity is that simplistic. Besides, if in your 'exmaple' (and I use the term very loosely) the returns are re-invested, then where is the opportunity for profit taking and hence tax paying?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:43 PM on 05/04/2009
- tisfilm I'm a Fan of tisfilm 31 fans permalink
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You are &^%(@#%ing Wrong

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:36 PM on 05/04/2009
- steamboat I'm a Fan of steamboat 45 fans permalink

Ask Bill Clinton....he's the guy who pushed through all those WTO and one-sided treaties with China.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:59 PM on 05/04/2009
- The Ghost I'm a Fan of The Ghost 47 fans permalink
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The Clintons: Republican lite!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:26 PM on 05/04/2009

If they only do business in China then why aren't they located in China?

Corporations that do business in multiple countries have branch offices guess what non US corporations pay the US corporate tax on that branches returns. Guess what the European and Asian countries don't complain it's only crappy American companies that do it.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:08 PM on 05/04/2009

Of course, you could say we should raise the tax on the rich to shift the burden off the middle class (the people who buy things that give the corps life) but then that would be socialism.

Your other solution, probably, is this will force the government to shrink and not pay all these *ahem* entitlements (Art. ! Sec 8 U.S. Constituion: Congress shall have the ability to levy taxes duties [etc] for purpose of the common defense AND general welfare of the people). So government would only pay for the army and...? Of course, this will increase crime because now no one has welfare, unemployment. BUt its okay because they have jobs...which will pay them next to nothing (because we CANT raise the minimum wage lest the corps then decide to leave). Since it probably won't be enough, more crime (statistically true, more poor equals more crime), which means more spending on prisons which means more taxes. But we can't tax corporations or the rich so we raise the tax on the middle class. More poor, more crime etc.

Doesn't it bother you that the government is completely servient to "too big to fail" corps? That there is always the leverage that "well, if we dont like it, we'll just leave and you're f'd"?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:26 AM on 05/05/2009
- Blukat I'm a Fan of Blukat 2 fans permalink

Good Evening eveybody

I'm stump that rethuglicans are outrage about this. They want to pay the debt that's what they claimed, but they don't their corporate buddies to pay their fair share of taxes, but the GOP wants to cut entitlements.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:21 PM on 05/04/2009
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The truly baffling thing will be the millions of blue collar Repub who will fall in line behind their party and against their individual best interests. How are these people so beguiled?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:34 PM on 05/04/2009
- The Ghost I'm a Fan of The Ghost 47 fans permalink
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Single issue politics: god, gays and guns.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:40 PM on 05/04/2009
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It won't only be Republicans protecting the shelters. Max Bauccus has already expressed displeasure with Obama's proposal. The same people who opposed and defeated gram down will be out in droves to protect big business and the rich. All of these people have to go. They do not represent the interests of 95% of the American people. This is no longer a representative Democracy. It has become a kleptocracy.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:20 PM on 05/04/2009
- The Ghost I'm a Fan of The Ghost 47 fans permalink
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LOVE that word.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:27 PM on 05/04/2009
- hollybork I'm a Fan of hollybork 66 fans permalink

Our KLEPTOCRACY. Love it.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:50 PM on 05/05/2009
- Oonagh I'm a Fan of Oonagh 31 fans permalink

Let's draw our line in the sand.... All of these big multi nationals with their off shore banks need to be reined in .. kinda funny knowing that amongst them are the "Bail Out Gang"... AIG, Citi, Morgan Stanley, BAM. Is it possible they would not need to be bailed out if they had all their assets in the USA..

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:17 PM on 05/04/2009
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... meanwhile, the average American worker ponies up approximately 25% to support our country including her troops and security.

Republicans are, once again, on the wrong side of this.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:12 PM on 05/04/2009
- greg32 I'm a Fan of greg32 15 fans permalink

Tim Geithner speaking out against tax shelters?? That is hilarious, pay your own taxes Tim before preaching to others to pay theirs.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:11 PM on 05/04/2009

Funny thing is, he paid them without crying like a baby.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:30 PM on 05/04/2009
- The Ghost I'm a Fan of The Ghost 47 fans permalink
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He didn't need a time out OR a nap. So well behaved!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:41 PM on 05/04/2009

What part of this do you people not understand. Evading taxes and hiding money overseas is patriotic. Why can't you see this? Haven't you learned anything from michele bachmann's rants.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:09 PM on 05/04/2009
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Allow me to put this in ways that the Republican electorate can understand: Let's SURGE into the Cayman Islands, bring REGIME CHANGE to those corporate subsidiaries and FREEDOM AND DEMOCRACY to those 18,857 mailboxes in the Ugland House. Let us not turn back until we achieve VICTORY in our WAR AGAINST TAX HAVENS. Are you FOR US or AGAINST US? Do you want VICTORY in the Cayman Islands or do you want to CUT AND RUN?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:00 PM on 05/04/2009
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That call to arms and patriotism and a great bugle call all are the Republlic-cons need to prove they can be trusted by the American voter again.

Who can blow the Republic-con bugle best? Major Rumptoot!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:27 PM on 05/04/2009
- PJay1 I'm a Fan of PJay1 58 fans permalink
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It looks like the Obama administration is distracting us the *populist* message while doing exactly the opposite behind the scenes (and our backs).

From David Sirota:

"RHETORIC Vs. REALITY: For Ending Corporate Tax Havens, While Pushing Pact To Preserve Them"

http://www.openleft.com/diary/13178/rhetoric-vs-reality-for-ending-corporate-tax-havens-while-pushing-pact-to-preserve-them

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:57 PM on 05/04/2009
- PJay1 I'm a Fan of PJay1 58 fans permalink
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s/b: "distracting us WITH..."

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:59 PM on 05/04/2009
- kewe I'm a Fan of kewe 10 fans permalink
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It's a slippery slope. The FTA with Panama expands the ability to export more US products. Exports are aiding the economy. So, i'm not sure it's as simple as rhetoric versus reality. That makes for a good headline, but if the net of doing both - cutting back on tax havens and expanding economy-boosting exports - is actually a win-win first step, i'd prefer that to the black and white, all or nothing principle of "rhetoric vs reality".

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:45 PM on 05/04/2009

Not surprising the GOP is hollaring foul on the tax havens, tax shelter frauds, since no doubt many of them might be named in upcoming indictments, one has to remember they never got Al Capone on a crime, but got him on tax evasion! Would it not be funny to see such likes of Sean Hannity, Rush Limbaugh, perk walked into a federal court on tax evasion charges!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:52 PM on 05/04/2009
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Where is the Kennedy money? Where is George Soro's pile of cash?
Do really believe it is in the USA?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:03 PM on 05/04/2009
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I am willing to see you a Kennedy and raise you a Romney. The great thing about the law is that it snares who it snares. There will be no sacred cows.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:22 PM on 05/04/2009

Or Gates or Jobs

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:23 PM on 05/04/2009
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