Obama Administration Takes Stronger Line With Israel

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Huffington Post   |  Stuart Whatley   |   05/ 5/09 05:42 PM

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The rhetorical exhortations this week from the Obama administration and the Netanyahu administration in Israel have been notably unaligned, fulfilling fears that the new, right-leaning Israeli government may present additional difficulties for US foreign policy interests in the region. The dissonance between the two administrations' goals for Israeli-Palestinian peace is centered around both the concept of a two-state solution, as well as Israel's alleged disinclination to cease or reverse the "settlements" into areas designated for Palestinians.

Monday of this week, Israeli Foreign Minister Avigdor Lieberman gave a speech in Rome wherein he called for peace between Israelis and Palestinians; however, he did not mention or endorse a two-state solution that would give the Palestinians their own, autonomous state, the Financial Times reports.

Likewise, Lieberman's boss, Prime Minister Netanyahu, has yet to come out and explicitly support a two-state situation as well -- much to the chagrin of US officials. According to Times Online:

Mr Netanyahu has dismayed American, Arab and European officials by pointedly refusing to back Palestinian statehood since taking office on March 31. In his own speech to Aipac, sent via satellite link, he said: "We are prepared to resume peace negotiations without any delay and without any preconditions -- the sooner the better." Saeb Erekat, the senior Palestinian negotiator, however, criticised Mr Netanyahu's speech for its "vagueness" on core issues such as the status of Jerusalem and refugees, as well as its failure to commit to a two-state solution.

As such, the Obama administration sought to make it clear Tuesday, with respectful but strong statements, that revealed little patience for Israeli recalcitrance on these core issues. According to a press release, Vice President Biden, speaking to the leading Israel lobby the American Israel Public Affairs Committee (AIPAC) Tuesday, expressed the following hope for a viable plan, but warned against Israel's current and past attitudes towards the "settlements":

The Palestinian Authority must combat terror and incitement against Israel. The United States and its partners have provided funding and training for a reformed Palestinian security force, which has impressed everyone, including the Israeli security officers with its recent demonstrations of professionalism and effectiveness. We are right now seeking funds from Congress to expand this program. But Israel has to work towards a two-state solution. You're not going to like my saying this, but not build more settlements, dismantle existing outposts, and allow the Palestinians freedom of movement based on their first actions -- (applause) -- its access to economic opportunity and increased security responsibility. This is a "show me" deal -- not based on faith -- show me. Prime Minister Netanyahu has important ideas about how to achieve some of these objectives and we look forward to working with him to help develop them when he comes to visit.

Biden's remarks come a week after additional remarks from key players within the administration, including White House Chief of Staff Rahm Emanuel and National Security Advisor James Jones, that equally stressed the need for a two-state solution. According to Haaretz:

Gen. James Jones, national security adviser to President Barack Obama, told a European foreign minister a week ago that unlike the Bush administration, Obama will be "forceful" with Israel.


Meanwhile, White House Chief of Staff Rahm Emanuel told an AIPAC conference last night that two states for two peoples is the only solution the United States is committed to.

The new approach is regarded as a significant change from the Bush years, where critics insist that administration was far to supine in its policies towards Israel.


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The rhetorical exhortations this week from the Obama administration and the Netanyahu administration in Israel have been notably unaligned, fulfilling fears that the new, right-leaning Israeli governm...
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- betz55 I'm a Fan of betz55 39 fans permalink

And the Israeli's has been systematically eliminating the Palestinians. Decades made concessions to the Arabs? How ? by increasing the illegal settlements, roadblocks and checkpoints ? by building the wall ? by bombing Gaza? by stifling the peace process with their BS pre-conditions.

Only democracry in the Middle East ? You mean theocracy. Israel likes to claim that it is the only democracy in the Middle East... what it never mentions though is that it is her and her agents that undermine democracy in the neighbouring states at every turn.

Israel actually behaves much like Apartheid South Africa did. It undermines all real attempts at democracy in all of her neighbours just like South Africa.

It seeks to fob off the owners of the land it occupies not through a just means but by creating pseudo states that will never be viable , Just like South Africa, its closest allies are some of the most repugnant regimes in its region just like South Africa.

The US is in the process if divorcing itself from Israel.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:40 AM on 05/07/2009
- Goefel I'm a Fan of Goefel 9 fans permalink
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"The US is in the process if divorcing itself from Israel."

Would have happened long ago, if the internet was created decades ago. Now people see the media masking of this Palestine Occupation for so long.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:02 PM on 05/14/2009

The Israelis make it extremely easy for people around the world to hate Israel and everything it stands for.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:39 AM on 05/07/2009
- BubbaC33 I'm a Fan of BubbaC33 37 fans permalink

You base this nonsensical conclusionon what? Your hatred of Jews does not count.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:23 PM on 05/07/2009
- skialethia I'm a Fan of skialethia 118 fans permalink
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Read all about it! "The True Intentions of Israelis: Ethnic Cleansing"

We won't be fooled again into believing that it's just the "right-wing" government that is not interested in a two-state solution. Now we know it's the majority of Israelis and they want the Palestinians driven out! If they could drive them into the sea, they would...but for now it's wishful thinking.

Thank God that International Law considers transferring protected, indigenous people out of occupied territory....a crime!:

http://www.haaretz.co.il/hasen/pages/ShArt.jhtml?itemNo=140196&contrassID=2&subContrassID=1&sbSubContrassID=0

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:49 AM on 05/07/2009

BubbaC33, call your office immediately

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:19 AM on 05/07/2009
- chaos4700 I'm a Fan of chaos4700 85 fans permalink
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I'm thinking Bubba is one of the people who /got/ the call from the pollsters, considering.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:28 AM on 05/07/2009
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Thank you much for sharing!! There's only so much reading I can cover in a given day...

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:12 AM on 05/07/2009

to msfsi:

I noticed that on another thread you supported one-state solution. How are you planing to reconcile the years of hate and combine it in one state?

why would jews in Israel agree to the state where they will become a minority? Would it be more logical to set up 2 states and allow Israeli Arabs immigrate to new Palestinian state (if they want to). It would be similar to population exchange which happened between India and Pakistan?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:05 AM on 05/07/2009

to msfsi:

We run out of space so I would like to confirm what we agreed upon:

I agree that Palestinians did not control Jerusalem and West Bank from 1948 to 1947. It was controled by Jordan which may not have the same interest as Palestinians

You agreed that Arab League prevented the creation of independant Palestinian state by sanctioning an illegal occupation of Palestinian lands by Jordan....

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:46 PM on 05/06/2009
- skialethia I'm a Fan of skialethia 118 fans permalink
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"The EU report cites Article 49 of the Fourth Geneva Convention that prohibits "Individual or mass forcible transfers, as well as deportations of protected persons from occupied territory...." Neither shall "The Occupying Power....deport or transfer parts of its own civilian population into the territory it occupies." In addition, numerous UN resolutions established "no legal validity" for settlement building or for East Jerusalem's annexation."

"More from the "EU Heads of Mission Report on East Jerusalem"

No longer confidential, the reports documents numerous abuses in spite of Israeli denials to the contrary. Besides the above:"

http://www.countercurrents.org/lendman010409.htm

No wonder Israel wants to get Obama to stall the peace process; they are very busy in deed demolishing, stealing and displacing Palestinians!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:25 AM on 05/07/2009

go away... I was not talking to you...

Before any more of your comments I want you to answer one basic question:

Name me a time when Palestinians had ability to kill Israelis and did not do so...

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:01 AM on 05/07/2009
- zukervati I'm a Fan of zukervati 25 fans permalink
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Give'em he// Skialethia. There's no substitute for the truth, and you've got oodles of it.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:08 AM on 05/07/2009
- BubbaC33 I'm a Fan of BubbaC33 37 fans permalink

You suggest forced relocation is illegal. But when it comes to the forced relocation of Jews you seem to have no problem. Here's my question for you. If it is acceptable for Palestinians to force Jews to leave settlements, then is it also acceptable for Israel to force all Arabs to leave Israel? According to your logic it has to be or you are the racist, you are the hypocrite.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:46 PM on 05/07/2009
- BubbaC33 I'm a Fan of BubbaC33 37 fans permalink

Your point is forced relocations are illegal according to international law. My question is simple. If Israel gave up the West Bank would it be acceptable to froce the Jewish settlers to leave? If your answer is yes, would you also support the idea of Israeli government demanding that all Arabs leave Israel? If your answer to the first is yes and then your answer to the second is no you are a hypocrite.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:56 PM on 05/08/2009
- msfsi I'm a Fan of msfsi 19 fans permalink
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My apologies proudneocon, but I had to get to bed :)

Yes, agreed. Jordan has done more then its share in subverting the palestinian cause, erasing Palestinian identity and self-determination!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:12 PM on 05/07/2009

Name me a time in the last 60 years when Palestinians had a chance to kill Israelis and did not do it?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:40 PM on 05/06/2009
- skialethia I'm a Fan of skialethia 118 fans permalink
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Just since 2000, 6,348 Palestinians have been killed by Israel. I don't have the figures since 1948 but they must be staggering. The ratio to Israelis killed is over 6 to 1, but I'm sure it's far greater for 60 years. This does not include the human rights abuses over the past 60 years and the shrinking land on the Palestinian side due to every increasing land grab by Israel and increasing settlements and the oppression that Palestinians are subjected to day in and day out as a result of this injustice.

I'd say the crimes and injustice are very imbalanced.

Just check it out yourself..­.unbelieva­ble injustice...but true.

http://www.ifamericansknew.org/

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:10 PM on 05/06/2009
- GZLives I'm a Fan of GZLives 41 fans permalink

The practice of using which side has had more killed is just asinine and proves nothing except Israelis have more bomb shelters, don't celebrate death, don't recruit suicide bombers who by the way are also included in Palestinians killed. After all, isn't it a fact that every qassam and grad rocket fired into Israeli towns were done so to kill as many as possible. Its not as if the Palestinians haven't been trying.

And it proves no injustice or crimes or imbalance. Its patently absurd to use this as any measurement. War is not balanced, never was, never will be. And in case you don't realize, the war I'm referring to is the one that more then half the Palestinians ie Hamas support and refuse to end.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:38 PM on 05/06/2009

I noticed you did not answer my question:

Name me a time in the last 60 years when Palestinians had a chance to kill Israelis and did not do it?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:02 PM on 05/06/2009
- BubbaC33 I'm a Fan of BubbaC33 37 fans permalink

You failed top answer the question asked of you. as usual.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:07 PM on 05/07/2009
- Naville I'm a Fan of Naville 3 fans permalink

ANALOGY FOR THE WISE MEN.

A LITTLE GUY was thrown onto the ground by a big muscular guy. The LITTLE GUY , wobbly and bruised, tries to get up, but his neck is pinned to the ground by the foot, with heavy boots, of the muscular guy.

Now, the LITTLE GUY is suffocating, dirt in his eyes and mouth. He tries to twist and spin around but is unable. He has to do something or he is going to die, soon. He uses his scrawny hands to punch the muscular guy's leg, nothing happens.
Eventually, he manages to use his nails. He hears the muscular guy scream a little. Now, he scratches and pinches even more.
This time, he hears a whistle from a crowd around him watching him suffer, " it is illegal to scratch or pinch your opponent" . " fight like a man" says another.
He pleads to them to get up once, but they tell him that they can not intervene .
He throws a huge spit and lands it on the face of his opponent, whistle blows again.
"YOU are disgusting and pathetic" says a voice from the crowd.

if another country had occupied the Palestinians, we would have supported their struggle for freedom.
in order to reign in extremism and militancy, America should also address the Palestinian insecurity and suffering.
The obama admin is to be seen if they can take on the Israelis.
Israelis know what buttons to push if ultimatum is presented.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:20 PM on 05/06/2009

You are right Israel is a big guy... 6 millions vs 300 millions.... One country against many.... Land in desert with no natural resources vs oil... Go and stand at the border between Israel and Jordan or Israel and Egypt - you will see desert on one side and gardens on another...

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:44 PM on 05/06/2009
- skialethia I'm a Fan of skialethia 118 fans permalink
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Israel has one of the largest military arsenals in the world and hundreds of nuclear warheads.

I have no pity for that! Desert or no desert!

By the way, if Israelis feel this land is so inferior why do they continue to steal more of it year after year from Palestinians? Gee and I'd rather have beachfront property in Israel with views and a deck, than live in the dim misery of the ghetto of Hebron...thanks!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:18 PM on 05/06/2009
- Naville I'm a Fan of Naville 3 fans permalink

your mockery of the facts is absurd and somewhat bigotry.

Israel is nuclear-armed, which means, it has a military deterrence against any Arab country. Israeli military is in the top 5 in the world, which I don't mind.
today, the Arab league is waiting Israel to respond to their peace agreement for the third time.
Israel has not shown any interest in that. And the reason is simple, Israel does not feel threaten by any Arab country, even combined.
secondly, why take away a useful propaganda tool which you mockingly mentioned in your post "6 millions vs 300 millions. it works, and you are the prove.
Their strategy is this.. play, here in the U.S. , the weak democratic state encircled by sea of enemy, and over there, occupy the land of Palestinians, Syrians etc. demolish homes, cut down trees, build settlements. i can not put down all of them.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:00 PM on 05/06/2009
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Racing Against Time as the World Heads Towards Chaos

It is fair, yet unpopular, to say that the situation in Palestine and Israeli actions for the past few decades fuel, if not directly responsible for, the chaotic situation in Pakistan, Iran, Gaza, Egypt and the worldwide clash between the west and Muslims. The West is seen to have blindly supported Israel with no regard to the indigenous people of Palestine, its neighbors and the Arab and Muslim worlds as a whole.

With the deteriorating situation in Afghanistan, Pakistan and the bad situation in Iraq & Iran, Obama’s administration is racing against time as the world heads towards chaos. Israel itself faces a very uncertain future if it does not quickly resolve the Palestinian issue. Israeli negotiators have been too smart for Israel’s own interests, as they stalled for decades always demanding more while successive Israeli governments strived to change realities on the ground by building more settlements and confiscating homes and lands that now the window for a viable two-state solution has almost gone away. The table will turn around soon and Israel will have to give many more concessions in land, water, and other resources to resuscitate the dead embryo of a Palestinian State back to vitality.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:05 PM on 05/06/2009

You are right Pakistan has nothing to do with a small thing called Soviet invasion of Afghanistan and several wars with India

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:45 PM on 05/06/2009
- chaos4700 I'm a Fan of chaos4700 85 fans permalink
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How silly! I mean, that would be like believing there was a link between al Qaeda and Saddam Hussein! Tortured logic, you might say. Good thing nobody ever predicated a war on /that/ phony premise.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:47 AM on 05/07/2009

OH AND who with their intel and no-how were able to a few weeks ago free those hostages taken over by the pirates???­??????????­??????????­??????????­??

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:51 PM on 05/06/2009

You are all so far off base, let me ask this and see if anyone left here has ANY common sense

When was the last time an Israeli actually hijacked a plane?
When was the last time any Israeli strapped on ammo and blew themselves and others up in an open market place?
When was the last time any Israeli took an olympic game hostage?
When was the last time any Israeli went into a school house full of kids and blew it up (jhint: Mahalot in 1972 - 200 Israeli children and teachers killed)

Israel will never and SHOULD never give up on defending iteself nor should any country. As long as the Palestinans and others levy things at Israel, they will defend/retaliate.

Oh and they will never give up because they do have the right to survive

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:46 PM on 05/06/2009
- skialethia I'm a Fan of skialethia 118 fans permalink
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In the West Bank city of Hebron on February 25, 1994. Baruch Goldstein, an Israeli-American settler, off-duty IDF army reservist captain and member of the extremist Kach movement, opened fire on the worshippers. 52 people were shot to death, 125 were wounded.

In the massacre of Jenin 2002, 56 Palestinians died and hundreds were injured.

On January 4, 2005 seven civilian residents of Beit Lahia, including six members of the same family, were killed when an IDF tank shell hit the agricultural area where they were working. On June 9, 2006, eight civilians were killed while picnicking on the northern Gazan beach in Beit Lahia. The dead included seven members of the Ali Ghaliya family.

In 2005, Asher Weisgan, a West Bank settler, murdered 4 Palestinians.

The Deir Yassin massacre refers to the killing of between 107 and 120 Palestinian unarmed civilian villagers. Contemporary reports, originating apparently from a commanding officer in Jerusalem of one of the irregular forces involved (the Irgun), Mordechai Ra'anan gave an initial estimate of 254 killed. The size of the figure had a considerable impact on the conflict in creating panic and became a major cause of the 1948 Palestinian exodus. The massacre was universally condemned at the time.

At Sabra and Shatila the IDF under the command of Sharon aided and abetted in the massacre of 3,500 Palestinians!

These are just a few examples, but there is much, much more that I can’t fit in one post!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:17 PM on 05/06/2009
- BubbaC33 I'm a Fan of BubbaC33 37 fans permalink

Those are the acts of unbalanced individuals. The terrorists, usually Arabic, send pregnant girlfriends on jets carrying bombs in their luggage. The PLO sends terrorists to the Munich Olympics to kill innocent athletes. Not as individuals but as the part of a larger plan and group.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:23 PM on 05/06/2009

How about for this small fact: a war between Hamas and Fatah in Gaza killed more Palestinians in 6 months that Israel did in the prior 5 years...

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:25 PM on 05/06/2009

Last time I checked Baruch Goldstein and Asher Weisgan are not considered heroes or shahids in Israel. Their families do not recieve congratulations from the friends for great acts. The pictures are not on the walls of the Israeli schools. there are no childrens TV programs telling Israeli kids to follow their footsteps. The Israeli goverement does not pay a payment to their family for great acts... On another hand Palestininas murderers recieve all the above...

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:01 AM on 05/07/2009
- LizM I'm a Fan of LizM 50 fans permalink

No one worth their salt will disagree with you and say that Israel does not have the right to defend itself as it sees fit.

But, when was the last time Israel did anything to effectively promote a more secure and peaceful state for its own citizens? It's been a while.

I would also add that, with friends like the previous US administration, Israel really doesn't need any enemies. Seriously!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:20 PM on 05/06/2009
- azbird I'm a Fan of azbird 2 fans permalink

I loved your post elias. I agree . Keep it up. God bless Israel. May she last forever. She is on her own land and should always be.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:29 PM on 05/07/2009
- philoffal I'm a Fan of philoffal 3 fans permalink

US pro-Israeli group attempts to stop shift in White House Middle East policy

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2009/may/06/us-israel-palestinians-middle-east

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:22 PM on 05/06/2009
- BubbaC33 I'm a Fan of BubbaC33 37 fans permalink

The Guardian is as accurate and honest as Fox News or Rush.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:23 PM on 05/06/2009
- chaos4700 I'm a Fan of chaos4700 85 fans permalink
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Yeah, comparing left wing intellectual publications to right wing propaganda outlets? You think anybody's fooled by that ludicrous assertion? Seriously?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:24 AM on 05/07/2009

Well you all are gonna be surprised when Bibi and Israel stop all aide to USA and halt any negotiations with BO, Biden and whatever clown from the admin that is demanding.

What works and what WILL work is a Kissinger diplomacy but alas, we will never have that kind of role again.

Dont mess with Israel - I am telling you - you will see

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:54 PM on 05/06/2009
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"The Palestinian Authority must combat terror and incitement against Israel." Lets see, they have lied about this for decades. Proceed with a two State solution with the caveat that should terror or the incitement continue after the fact, all bets are off.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:49 PM on 05/06/2009
- skialethia I'm a Fan of skialethia 118 fans permalink
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Yeah, like Israel hasn't broken truces or behaved with deliberate provocation intended???

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:49 PM on 05/06/2009
- BubbaC33 I'm a Fan of BubbaC33 37 fans permalink

Israel has not broken a truce or attacked any of our neighbors. We have been attacked on a number of occasions. It would seem you are a little shy of beingh correct on this issue.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:24 PM on 05/06/2009

Ummmmm simply put, WE need Israel more than THEY need us. There is a reason why Israel has survived throughout the years on its own merit and intel. Where do you think WE get the intel/info from?

Oh and before we boo hoo the poor llittle palestinans they were the ones that took the land from the British.

And maybe if someone has the guts, please tell us WHEN Israel was the one that started an attack or hijacked planes or olympic games?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:15 PM on 05/06/2009
- chaos4700 I'm a Fan of chaos4700 85 fans permalink
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"There is a reason why Israel has survived throughout the years on its own merit and intel"
...and trillions of dollars in US foreign aid and military hardware. Or did you think all those F-16s flying over Gaza were scratch built?

You would like some examples of Israelis indulging in terrorism, huh?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nakba
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jacob_Isra%C3%ABl_de_Haan
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/King_David_Hotel_bombing
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Wrath_of_God
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mordechai_Vanunu

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:40 PM on 05/06/2009
- BubbaC33 I'm a Fan of BubbaC33 37 fans permalink

Not a single link you have provided provides evidence of Israel;i or Jewish terrorism.
Vanunu is a traitor, nothing more, nothing less.
The Wrath of God was a response to the murder of Israeli athletes at the Munich Olympics. Ms. Meir understood that if those folks would not allow us to live in the world we had a responsibility to Jews around the world to hunt them down and eliminate them.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:28 PM on 05/06/2009
- jacobnyc I'm a Fan of jacobnyc 6 fans permalink
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Thanks for speaking the truth, even though its not the most convenient position thing to do on HP.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:20 PM on 05/06/2009

As much as I am pro-Israeli, I think you are mistaken that we need Israel more than Israel needs us... Israel will survive on its own. So will we. Israel will be hurt more than us thought...

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:55 PM on 05/06/2009

Its ridiculous to suggest Israel could survive without US patronage and the massive amount of military aid it gains every year. The 1973 coaltion-o­f-the-will­ing against Israeli occupation would have been a slam dunk without the massive US airbridge support of Israel and they have hardly survived 'on their own merit' since:

The American resupply in october 1973 included 815 total sorties bringing Israel 56 combat aircraft and 27,900 tons of munitions and supplies.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:59 PM on 05/07/2009
- BubbaC33 I'm a Fan of BubbaC33 37 fans permalink

And the number of aircraft from the USSR providing military supplies to Egypt and Syria far surpassed that amount. What is ridiculous is how you folks always attack Israel without ever bothering to tell the entire story. I understand, the whole truth is devastating to your already weak argument.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:02 PM on 05/07/2009
- futate01 I'm a Fan of futate01 33 fans permalink
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If the Palestinians have to give up their land because the Jews have a historical ownership of the place, then USA should give up it's land to the Native Americans because they also have a historical ownership of this place.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:18 PM on 05/06/2009
- chaos4700 I'm a Fan of chaos4700 85 fans permalink
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Hey, I'll vote for that. I think it was monstrous, the ethnic cleansing -- and at times, genocidal -- things the US did to the Native Americans. The indigineous communities still suffer from poverty and discrimination and the US government in many respects still treats Native Americans as second class citizens. Just ask anyone who's had to pursue criminal investigations for reservation land at the federal level.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:32 PM on 05/06/2009
- kathy001 I'm a Fan of kathy001 72 fans permalink

You took the words right out of my mouth. I agree completely.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:40 PM on 05/06/2009
- DC I'm a Fan of DC 21 fans permalink

Two wrongs do not make a right, but now that you mention it, maybe the US should return all lands to Indian Tribes.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:05 PM on 05/06/2009

The extermination of Native Americans started in the 1500s, but yeah youre right. Israels behavior belongs in another century.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:01 PM on 05/07/2009
- BubbaC33 I'm a Fan of BubbaC33 37 fans permalink

Actually there is a parallel between the US, Native Americans and Israel. We are the Natives who have returned home and have reclaimed the land we were forced to leave. The Arabs are playing the role of the US in this play, not the Jews.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:19 PM on 05/08/2009

Yeah. Except the Native Palestinians never left and have never herded the Israelis into reservations or bantustans under permanent sanctions.

That one sorta breaks down, Bubbles.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:25 AM on 05/09/2009
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