Democratic Split Emerges As Health Care Debate Heats Up

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First Posted: 05- 6-09 12:51 PM   |   Updated: 06- 6-09 05:12 AM

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The battle for health care reform has intensified, with an actual plan beginning to materialize and key interest and political groups gearing up for a once-in-a-generation legislative fight.

Sources who have spoken with key players in the White House and Congress now say, more definitively than in the past, that the time frame for a bill is October. But what members will ultimately produce is far from clear. Part of the delay is owed to a decision among administration officials to let the process originate on Capitol Hill. Much of it, however, is due to divisions within the Democratic Party over just how far a reform effort should go.

No clearer evidence exists than the salvos launched this past week for and against the creation of a public plan for insurance coverage. The newest Democratic Senator, Arlen Specter, and the consummate centrist, Ben Nelson, both pledged to oppose such a measure, projecting the damage it could cause to the private insurance industry. But one prominent progressive told the Huffington Post that reform without a public plan would be tantamount to "a slap in the face."

Added former DNC chair Howard Dean, in an interview with the Huffington Post: "If you don't have a public option it is not worth doing... The idea that insurance companies and Republicans can prevent Americans from having choice is just wrong. And I don't think the American people will put up with it. The vast majority of Americans, including Republicans, believe there ought to be a choice for the American people."

To this point, the Obama White House has been tight-lipped about its preferences. But high-ranking Democrats say that in private discussions, Obama himself has expressed his desire for a public option.

"The president is ahead of some of his own staff members here," said Dean. "I think we are going to have a public health insurance plan because, in the end, it is what the president wants."

One thing that Democratic sources say the White House and Congress are looking closely at is the model Gavin Newsom has constructed in San Francisco, in which a universal program (at a relatively low cost) has been applied through the use of public clinics. Newsom met with administration officials as well as House Speaker Nancy Pelosi this past week and came away convinced that something would have to be done "not in 16 months but in six months." Helping to corral other mayors to support the president's health care priorities, Newsom was appointed chair of the US Conference of Mayors' Task Force on Health Care Reform.

But Newsom expressed concern that the dialogue coming from the Capitol was too nationally focused. "One-sided health solutions don't work," the mayor told the Huffington Post. "People, particularly in diverse communities, have a connection to their communities and to their clinics. Cultural competency needs to be a huge part of this debate and focus, and I don't hear a lot of that up in Washington, D.C."

In testimony on Capitol Hill on Wednesday, Health and Human Services Secretary Kathleen Sebelius touted community health centers as well as various local and state programs that had proven successful in "incentivising" coverage.

Her main detractors came from the Republican side of the aisle, where efforts have increased to oppose a public plan. And while Sebelius remained fairly broad on what a new health care system might look like, her remarks provided an unusually stronger indication of where the administration stands.

"Can you construct an un-level playing field with a public option unfairly competing with private options? You bet," she said. "Is that the intention of the administration or the majority of Congress when they talk about it? I don't think so at all. It can be designed in any number of ways... so if there really is a level playing field that private insurers don't have the advantage of cherry-picking the market and the public plan doesn't have the advantage of undercutting the cost of driving everybody out, it can work very effectively and does work very effectively all across this country."

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The battle for health care reform has intensified, with an actual plan beginning to materialize and key interest and political groups gearing up for a once-in-a-generation legislative fight. Sources ...
The battle for health care reform has intensified, with an actual plan beginning to materialize and key interest and political groups gearing up for a once-in-a-generation legislative fight. Sources ...
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Senators Having $MOTIVATION to STOP Health Care Reform because of Campaign Funding Receive:

$Funding___Senator

$8,298,887 Specter, Arlen PA D
6,260,466 Baucus, Max MT D
6,053,840 McConnell, Mitch KY R
5,551,547 Harkin, Tom IA D
5,052,273 Lieberman, Joe CT I
5,014,639 Hatch, Orrin G UT R
4,662,222 Brown, Sherrod OH D
4,515,337 Dodd, Chris CT D
4,334,201 Grassley, Chuck IA R
4,331,057 Burr, Richard NC R
4,213,855 Kyl, Jon AZ R
4,178,299 Cornyn, John TX R
4,109,512 Kennedy, Edward M MA D
4,037,004 Alexander, Lamar TN R
3,900,134 Ensign, John NV R
3,576,721 Cardin, Ben MD D
3,340,082 Rockefeller, Jay WV D
3,286,198 Conrad, Kent ND D
3,247,794 Coleman, Norm MN OLD R
3,245,066 Schumer, Charles E NY D
3,159,183 Chambliss, Saxby GA R
3,050,694 Smith, Gordon H OR R
2,880,528 Hutchison, Kay Bailey TX R
2,870,616 Durbin, Dick IL D
2,817,100 Lincoln, Blanche AR D
2,650,628 Voinovich, George V OH R
2,634,653 Bunning, Jim KY R
2,565,701 Feinstein, Dianne CA D
2,535,864 Landrieu, Mary L LA D
2,518,631 Menendez, Robert NJ D
2,515,612 Lugar, Richard G IN R
2,510,887 Reid, Harry NV D

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:38 PM on 05/09/2009
- jadeba I'm a Fan of jadeba 8 fans permalink

I'd like to see a list of the members of congress who are working for the insurance companies.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:28 PM on 05/08/2009

"Arlen Specter and Ben Nelson, both pledged to oppose such a measure, projecting the damage it could cause to the private insurance industry": Did they really say that? The greed of private insurers is the cause of rising costs to the unaffordable level to millions. If these senators care more for private industry than the health of people ignoring the costs that have been increased through the roof that 45 million people can't afford it while these senators enjoy the quality of health insurance paid for taxpayers, they deserve to lose the next election.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:23 AM on 05/08/2009
- jadeba I'm a Fan of jadeba 8 fans permalink

Write them! Google US Senate, it's easy. I just did it.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:58 PM on 05/08/2009
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Senators who get 15% or more of their Campaign Funds from Health Care Related Sources

Baucus gets 19.2% to keep the STATUS QUO
$6,260,466 for his career from Health Care Related Sources

__Senator________% of Campaign Funds from Health Care

Barrasso, John WY R 28.8
Grassley, Chuck IA R 24.8
Hatch, Orrin G UT R 24.7
Brown, Sherrod OH D 22.5
Gregg, Judd NH R 22.5
Burr, Richard NC R 19.8
Coburn, Tom OK R 19.4
Baucus, Max MT D 19.2
Cardin, Ben MD D 18.9
Enzi, Mike WY R 18.9
Ensign, John NV R 18.9
Lincoln, Blanche AR D 18.0
Conrad, Kent ND D 17.7
Harkin, Tom IA D 17.3
Wicker, Roger MS R 17.3
Bunning, Jim KY R 16.1
Rockefeller, Jay WV D 15.8
McConnell, Mitch KY R 15.8
Alexander, Lamar TN R 15.7
Specter, Arlen PA D 15.4
Cornyn, John TX R 15.3
DeMint, James W SC R 15.1

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:28 AM on 05/08/2009
- jadeba I'm a Fan of jadeba 8 fans permalink

Time to start writing.......

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:32 PM on 05/08/2009
- billw8017 I'm a Fan of billw8017 31 fans permalink

Any kind of plan NOW! 2010 is an election year and practical add-ons can be expected if the first plan works poorly. Ted Kennedy is commited to a health care system, and his impending death gives him sympathetic stature. Ted Kennedy and the 2010 elections are big reasons to expect a plan that works.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:45 PM on 05/07/2009
- fiorastar I'm a Fan of fiorastar 62 fans permalink
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No...Not any kind of plan....a GOOD plan! It needs to actually work for the average uninsured American to make sure that ALL families can go to a doctor when needed, get dental care, and, I would strongly hope, use preventive care of ALL kinds that are currently licenseable in the US--acupuncture, massage therapy, chiropractic, midwifery included--because that is what makes us healthy at a lower cost to all.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:29 PM on 05/07/2009
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Just as I expected, everyone here are cowards, unable or unwilling to have a real discussion and play my little game of mental twister. My neice and nephew are going to laugh their asses off in 20 years, when everyone else wakes up and people realize that not a single thing was done to improve levels of actual care, so everyone is getting covered and paying $10, instead of the $100 we're paying now, but people are still dying unnecessarily because of the medicine and procedures that are killing us

Oh well, at least no one can say I didn't warn you before I started saying I told you so

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:40 AM on 05/07/2009
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If the President really wants a public, not-for-profit plan as an option, he is going to have to go on the road and sell it like his stimulus package.

Insurance and pharmaceutical corporations have decades of campaign contributions to both parties in preparation for just this fight. Trillions of dollars of corporate profits and bloated executive pay are on the line and they will not give a single dime of that up without the fight of all our lives.

The ONLY way to overcome that corrupt form of legalized payola is by a popular outpouring. If you haven't, please write your Senators and Representative and ask them to support universal health care including a public option.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:49 AM on 05/07/2009
- stell I'm a Fan of stell 20 fans permalink

O just bought the Dems another two years, but if nothing happens on health care, considering the state of the Republican party, I predict either a third party will form, or there will me an ever greater increase in apathy. Dems have likely topped out on all of their gains in the House and Senate, and there are too many suspect, Trojan Horse Dems in there to begin with. That is why it is critical that the big three healthcare, education, and energy must be passed in the next year. Immigration reform also only has a very small window. I can forsee a lot of disappointed O voters in the coming years.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:08 AM on 05/07/2009
- chronic I'm a Fan of chronic 69 fans permalink
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Conservatism discards Prescription, shrinks from Principle, disavows Progress; having rejected all respect for antiquity, it offers no redress for the present, and makes no preparation for the future.

-- Benjamin Disraeli

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:03 AM on 05/07/2009
- jadeba I'm a Fan of jadeba 8 fans permalink

How very, very true.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:33 PM on 05/08/2009
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There's IS a reason I stay an Independent, Sam, and it mostly begins and ends with lobbyists bribing BOTH sides of the isle, the members of CONgress accepting those 'contributions' - and a crooked lawmaking body that's effectively just a 'one-party system' -- bought and paid for by corporate and industry through their hired professional 'bag-men'.

Breaking OUR country's budgets for the foreseeable future because you're bribed to protect irrationally profitable insurance companies is an insane betrayal of OUR children ...and their children too.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:20 PM on 05/06/2009
- Tim303 I'm a Fan of Tim303 69 fans permalink
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The right admits that private care is no match for public.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:52 PM on 05/06/2009
- ranchero42 I'm a Fan of ranchero42 25 fans permalink
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Some Republicans claim to represent small business owners interests. Assuming they are sincere, why don't the politicians get on board with the health care plan that should appeal to this constituency? Many Blue Dog Democrats also claim allegiance to this demographic, so what is the problem? Howard Dean should have the angle on this one.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:44 PM on 05/06/2009

What makes you think this would be a cost savings to small businesses?

The money has to come from somewhere and just a guess . . . business taxes will go up and individual taxes will go up. Then we must decide how to ration care because like it or not, we will have to do so. A dollar amount will be put on your head by the Government just like it is now in the private industry.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:54 PM on 05/06/2009

Please, the money we already spend would be enough to cover everyone if it was efficient.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:59 AM on 05/07/2009
- fiorastar I'm a Fan of fiorastar 62 fans permalink
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Small businesses would see a savings if this was done right...they would not have to pay for insurance for their employees, saving them there. They would not have as many ill employees not showing up for work, or causing others to be ill, saving them there. Taxes on small businesses are going down, not up.

Overall, our entire nation has been paying a HUGE tax for healthcare--it is called the cost of every single one of our plans going up exponentially because the indigent and uninsured use hospital emergency rooms. Add to that the cost of so many not getting preventive care when it would be inexpensive and having the rest of the nation having to deal with the massive consequences of minor conditions turning major.

One way or another, we pay. Why not err on the side of compassion and give our society as a whole a boost?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:35 PM on 05/07/2009
- cjt1957 I'm a Fan of cjt1957 19 fans permalink

If you like the Post Office, Social Security, the Tarp, Chrysler bailout, Freddy Mac, Fanny Mae, VA health care, the IRS, or any other government agency, you are going to love Obama's idea of health care reform....

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:54 PM on 05/06/2009

I liked Bill Clinton's welfare reform, all that moeny eventually came back to the same bums but it was initially good.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:57 PM on 05/06/2009
- stell I'm a Fan of stell 20 fans permalink

Slick's welfare reform was a scapegoating minorities and co-opting of Reagan's policies to appeal to Reagan Democrats. More money has been given to for-profit businessmen, you know, the "productive" people to keep their companies afloat in the last 6 months, than was ever given to the "undeserving", "unproductive", combined. You know the biggest government program: TARP. The last letter in TARP stands for program. You know like a government program?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:22 AM on 05/07/2009
- kempis I'm a Fan of kempis 7 fans permalink

I like the idea of affordable, universal health insurance. If the insurance industry could give that to us, there would be no need to explore a public option.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:04 PM on 05/06/2009

A big problem with the insurance industry is they are mandated to cover all sorts of conditions by law and for example here in Minnesota, many companies have decided it isn't profitable to do business here thus we have few companies.

Allowing people to select a plan and YES descriminate people on their history is something that should be done just like in auto insurance. Therefore people have a vested interest in lowering their rates with healthy habits. If you have 3 DWIs and 4 accidents, you pay more for car insurance . . . if you are 400lbs and don't exercise, you should pay more.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:11 PM on 05/06/2009

"I like the idea of affordable.."

affordable to the poor is $0. That is often forgotten in this equation.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:00 AM on 05/07/2009
- LeeCalif I'm a Fan of LeeCalif 64 fans permalink

cj-
go fr ig yourself. Healthcare is needed and we Americans deserve it .

Private companies making ob scene profit with decreasing good is ending.

So sit down and sh ut up.

No one over 65 is complaining and that's what we would get. All you do is l ie.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:28 PM on 05/06/2009
- mercyrocks I'm a Fan of mercyrocks 2 fans permalink

d o l t .

Enough said.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:50 PM on 05/06/2009
- fiorastar I'm a Fan of fiorastar 62 fans permalink
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I like the Post Office--they have been more efficient and lower cost for many years than either UPS or FedEx for my business.
I like Social Security--it's been one of the most reliable sources of at least some income for millions of retirees and disabled people all my life.
I like Freddy Mac and Fanny Mae--it is not their fault that private mortgage companies combined with Wall Street investment firms blew our economy up.
I like the VA--though they have been chronically underfunded, they provide good care once you get through their system and do the best they can with very low resources. Give them a bit more and they will do a better job.
I never like paying taxes, but hell, we have to do it or we may as well go back to Dickens' time if we aren't willing to collectively pool our resources and pay for the big stuff.
And TARP and the Bailouts were Bush's.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:39 PM on 05/07/2009

My Senator Evan Bayh better get on board with a public option or we're gonna fire him next cycle. It's ridiculous that we can't have the same healthcare as these congressmen. If public healthcare is "Socialist" then they're the biggest Socialists ever and have been for years and years!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:48 PM on 05/06/2009

In reality, I don't think that the USA could afford the kind of benefits the Congress gets.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:55 PM on 05/06/2009

BTW, if you want their health care . . . why don't you run against Bayh.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:55 PM on 05/06/2009

Agreed.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:03 AM on 05/07/2009

I wish we could revoke the health care of Congress until they can agree on a health plan to cover the rest of the country. I bet that would get them moving...

Amazing how they look out for themselves and corporate America, while the rest of us are thrown to the wolves. Again and again and again.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:31 PM on 05/06/2009

"I bet that would get them moving... "

How do you figure?

Have you seen the net worth of those people?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:56 PM on 05/06/2009
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