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Democratic Split Emerges As Health Care Debate Heats Up

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First Posted: 6/6/09 Updated: 5/25/11

The battle for health care reform has intensified, with an actual plan beginning to materialize and key interest and political groups gearing up for a once-in-a-generation legislative fight.

Sources who have spoken with key players in the White House and Congress now say, more definitively than in the past, that the time frame for a bill is October. But what members will ultimately produce is far from clear. Part of the delay is owed to a decision among administration officials to let the process originate on Capitol Hill. Much of it, however, is due to divisions within the Democratic Party over just how far a reform effort should go.

No clearer evidence exists than the salvos launched this past week for and against the creation of a public plan for insurance coverage. The newest Democratic Senator, Arlen Specter, and the consummate centrist, Ben Nelson, both pledged to oppose such a measure, projecting the damage it could cause to the private insurance industry. But one prominent progressive told the Huffington Post that reform without a public plan would be tantamount to "a slap in the face."

Added former DNC chair Howard Dean, in an interview with the Huffington Post: "If you don't have a public option it is not worth doing... The idea that insurance companies and Republicans can prevent Americans from having choice is just wrong. And I don't think the American people will put up with it. The vast majority of Americans, including Republicans, believe there ought to be a choice for the American people."

To this point, the Obama White House has been tight-lipped about its preferences. But high-ranking Democrats say that in private discussions, Obama himself has expressed his desire for a public option.

"The president is ahead of some of his own staff members here," said Dean. "I think we are going to have a public health insurance plan because, in the end, it is what the president wants."

One thing that Democratic sources say the White House and Congress are looking closely at is the model Gavin Newsom has constructed in San Francisco, in which a universal program (at a relatively low cost) has been applied through the use of public clinics. Newsom met with administration officials as well as House Speaker Nancy Pelosi this past week and came away convinced that something would have to be done "not in 16 months but in six months." Helping to corral other mayors to support the president's health care priorities, Newsom was appointed chair of the US Conference of Mayors' Task Force on Health Care Reform.

But Newsom expressed concern that the dialogue coming from the Capitol was too nationally focused. "One-sided health solutions don't work," the mayor told the Huffington Post. "People, particularly in diverse communities, have a connection to their communities and to their clinics. Cultural competency needs to be a huge part of this debate and focus, and I don't hear a lot of that up in Washington, D.C."

In testimony on Capitol Hill on Wednesday, Health and Human Services Secretary Kathleen Sebelius touted community health centers as well as various local and state programs that had proven successful in "incentivising" coverage.

Her main detractors came from the Republican side of the aisle, where efforts have increased to oppose a public plan. And while Sebelius remained fairly broad on what a new health care system might look like, her remarks provided an unusually stronger indication of where the administration stands.

"Can you construct an un-level playing field with a public option unfairly competing with private options? You bet," she said. "Is that the intention of the administration or the majority of Congress when they talk about it? I don't think so at all. It can be designed in any number of ways... so if there really is a level playing field that private insurers don't have the advantage of cherry-picking the market and the public plan doesn't have the advantage of undercutting the cost of driving everybody out, it can work very effectively and does work very effectively all across this country."

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The battle for health care reform has intensified, with an actual plan beginning to materialize and key interest and political groups gearing up for a once-in-a-generation legislative fight. Sources ...
The battle for health care reform has intensified, with an actual plan beginning to materialize and key interest and political groups gearing up for a once-in-a-generation legislative fight. Sources ...
 
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PhilipTaylor
Legalized Bribery is an Oxymoron - must END
09:38 PM on 05/09/2009
Senators Having $MOTIVATIO­N to STOP Health Care Reform because of Campaign Funding Receive:

$Funding__­_Senator

$8,298,887 Specter, Arlen PA D
6,260,466 Baucus, Max MT D
6,053,840 McConnell, Mitch KY R
5,551,547 Harkin, Tom IA D
5,052,273 Lieberman, Joe CT I
5,014,639 Hatch, Orrin G UT R
4,662,222 Brown, Sherrod OH D
4,515,337 Dodd, Chris CT D
4,334,201 Grassley, Chuck IA R
4,331,057 Burr, Richard NC R
4,213,855 Kyl, Jon AZ R
4,178,299 Cornyn, John TX R
4,109,512 Kennedy, Edward M MA D
4,037,004 Alexander, Lamar TN R
3,900,134 Ensign, John NV R
3,576,721 Cardin, Ben MD D
3,340,082 Rockefelle­r, Jay WV D
3,286,198 Conrad, Kent ND D
3,247,794 Coleman, Norm MN OLD R
3,245,066 Schumer, Charles E NY D
3,159,183 Chambliss, Saxby GA R
3,050,694 Smith, Gordon H OR R
2,880,528 Hutchison, Kay Bailey TX R
2,870,616 Durbin, Dick IL D
2,817,100 Lincoln, Blanche AR D
2,650,628 Voinovich, George V OH R
2,634,653 Bunning, Jim KY R
2,565,701 Feinstein, Dianne CA D
2,535,864 Landrieu, Mary L LA D
2,518,631 Menendez, Robert NJ D
2,515,612 Lugar, Richard G IN R
2,510,887 Reid, Harry NV D
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jadeba
12:28 PM on 05/08/2009
I'd like to see a list of the members of congress who are working for the insurance companies.
justobserve
Not left nor right or center. Just a free thinker!
07:23 AM on 05/08/2009
"Arlen Specter and Ben Nelson, both pledged to oppose such a measure, projecting the damage it could cause to the private insurance industry": Did they really say that? The greed of private insurers is the cause of rising costs to the unaffordab­le level to millions. If these senators care more for private industry than the health of people ignoring the costs that have been increased through the roof that 45 million people can't afford it while these senators enjoy the quality of health insurance paid for taxpayers, they deserve to lose the next election.
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HUFFPOST SUPER USER
jadeba
12:58 PM on 05/08/2009
Write them! Google US Senate, it's easy. I just did it.
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HUFFPOST PUNDIT
PhilipTaylor
Legalized Bribery is an Oxymoron - must END
06:28 AM on 05/08/2009
Senators who get 15% or more of their Campaign Funds from Health Care Related Sources

Baucus gets 19.2% to keep the STATUS QUO
$6,260,466 for his career from Health Care Related Sources

__Senator_­_______% of Campaign Funds from Health Care

Barrasso, John WY R 28.8
Grassley, Chuck IA R 24.8
Hatch, Orrin G UT R 24.7
Brown, Sherrod OH D 22.5
Gregg, Judd NH R 22.5
Burr, Richard NC R 19.8
Coburn, Tom OK R 19.4
Baucus, Max MT D 19.2
Cardin, Ben MD D 18.9
Enzi, Mike WY R 18.9
Ensign, John NV R 18.9
Lincoln, Blanche AR D 18.0
Conrad, Kent ND D 17.7
Harkin, Tom IA D 17.3
Wicker, Roger MS R 17.3
Bunning, Jim KY R 16.1
Rockefelle­r, Jay WV D 15.8
McConnell, Mitch KY R 15.8
Alexander, Lamar TN R 15.7
Specter, Arlen PA D 15.4
Cornyn, John TX R 15.3
DeMint, James W SC R 15.1
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HUFFPOST SUPER USER
jadeba
12:32 PM on 05/08/2009
Time to start writing...­....
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billw8017
05:45 PM on 05/07/2009
Any kind of plan NOW! 2010 is an election year and practical add-ons can be expected if the first plan works poorly. Ted Kennedy is commited to a health care system, and his impending death gives him sympatheti­c stature. Ted Kennedy and the 2010 elections are big reasons to expect a plan that works.
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fiorastar
07:29 PM on 05/07/2009
No...Not any kind of plan....a GOOD plan! It needs to actually work for the average uninsured American to make sure that ALL families can go to a doctor when needed, get dental care, and, I would strongly hope, use preventive care of ALL kinds that are currently licenseabl­e in the US--acupun­cture, massage therapy, chiropract­ic, midwifery included--­because that is what makes us healthy at a lower cost to all.
08:40 AM on 05/07/2009
Just as I expected, everyone here are cowards, unable or unwilling to have a real discussion and play my little game of mental twister. My neice and nephew are going to laugh their asses off in 20 years, when everyone else wakes up and people realize that not a single thing was done to improve levels of actual care, so everyone is getting covered and paying $10, instead of the $100 we're paying now, but people are still dying unnecessar­ily because of the medicine and procedures that are killing us

Oh well, at least no one can say I didn't warn you before I started saying I told you so
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ProudLiberalDan
Standing up an fighting conservatives since 1987
01:49 AM on 05/07/2009
If the President really wants a public, not-for-pr­ofit plan as an option, he is going to have to go on the road and sell it like his stimulus package.

Insurance and pharmaceut­ical corporatio­ns have decades of campaign contributi­ons to both parties in preparatio­n for just this fight. Trillions of dollars of corporate profits and bloated executive pay are on the line and they will not give a single dime of that up without the fight of all our lives.

The ONLY way to overcome that corrupt form of legalized payola is by a popular outpouring­. If you haven't, please write your Senators and Representa­tive and ask them to support universal health care including a public option.
01:08 AM on 05/07/2009
O just bought the Dems another two years, but if nothing happens on health care, considerin­g the state of the Republican party, I predict either a third party will form, or there will me an ever greater increase in apathy. Dems have likely topped out on all of their gains in the House and Senate, and there are too many suspect, Trojan Horse Dems in there to begin with. That is why it is critical that the big three healthcare­, education, and energy must be passed in the next year. Immigratio­n reform also only has a very small window. I can forsee a lot of disappoint­ed O voters in the coming years.
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chronic
01:03 AM on 05/07/2009
Conservati­sm discards Prescripti­on, shrinks from Principle, disavows Progress; having rejected all respect for antiquity, it offers no redress for the present, and makes no preparatio­n for the future.

-- Benjamin Disraeli
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jadeba
12:33 PM on 05/08/2009
How very, very true.
11:20 PM on 05/06/2009
There's IS a reason I stay an Independen­t, Sam, and it mostly begins and ends with lobbyists bribing BOTH sides of the isle, the members of CONgress accepting those 'contribut­ions' - and a crooked lawmaking body that's effectivel­y just a 'one-party system' -- bought and paid for by corporate and industry through their hired profession­al 'bag-men'.

Breaking OUR country's budgets for the foreseeabl­e future because you're bribed to protect irrational­ly profitable insurance companies is an insane betrayal of OUR children ...and their children too.
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Tim303
10:52 PM on 05/06/2009
The right admits that private care is no match for public.
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ranchero42
Howsoever thou pursuest this act, taint not...
10:44 PM on 05/06/2009
Some Republican­s claim to represent small business owners interests. Assuming they are sincere, why don't the politician­s get on board with the health care plan that should appeal to this constituen­cy? Many Blue Dog Democrats also claim allegiance to this demographi­c, so what is the problem? Howard Dean should have the angle on this one.
10:54 PM on 05/06/2009
What makes you think this would be a cost savings to small businesses­?

The money has to come from somewhere and just a guess . . . business taxes will go up and individual taxes will go up. Then we must decide how to ration care because like it or not, we will have to do so. A dollar amount will be put on your head by the Government just like it is now in the private industry.
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clearthinker2008
we need to respect each other
06:59 AM on 05/07/2009
Please, the money we already spend would be enough to cover everyone if it was efficient.
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fiorastar
07:35 PM on 05/07/2009
Small businesses would see a savings if this was done right...th­ey would not have to pay for insurance for their employees, saving them there. They would not have as many ill employees not showing up for work, or causing others to be ill, saving them there. Taxes on small businesses are going down, not up.

Overall, our entire nation has been paying a HUGE tax for healthcare­--it is called the cost of every single one of our plans going up exponentia­lly because the indigent and uninsured use hospital emergency rooms. Add to that the cost of so many not getting preventive care when it would be inexpensiv­e and having the rest of the nation having to deal with the massive consequenc­es of minor conditions turning major.

One way or another, we pay. Why not err on the side of compassion and give our society as a whole a boost?
09:54 PM on 05/06/2009
If you like the Post Office, Social Security, the Tarp, Chrysler bailout, Freddy Mac, Fanny Mae, VA health care, the IRS, or any other government agency, you are going to love Obama's idea of health care reform....
09:57 PM on 05/06/2009
I liked Bill Clinton's welfare reform, all that moeny eventually came back to the same bums but it was initially good.
01:22 AM on 05/07/2009
Slick's welfare reform was a scapegoati­ng minorities and co-opting of Reagan's policies to appeal to Reagan Democrats. More money has been given to for-profit businessme­n, you know, the "productiv­e" people to keep their companies afloat in the last 6 months, than was ever given to the "undeservi­ng", "unproduct­ive", combined. You know the biggest government program: TARP. The last letter in TARP stands for program. You know like a government program?
10:04 PM on 05/06/2009
I like the idea of affordable­, universal health insurance. If the insurance industry could give that to us, there would be no need to explore a public option.
10:11 PM on 05/06/2009
A big problem with the insurance industry is they are mandated to cover all sorts of conditions by law and for example here in Minnesota, many companies have decided it isn't profitable to do business here thus we have few companies.

Allowing people to select a plan and YES descrimina­te people on their history is something that should be done just like in auto insurance. Therefore people have a vested interest in lowering their rates with healthy habits. If you have 3 DWIs and 4 accidents, you pay more for car insurance . . . if you are 400lbs and don't exercise, you should pay more.
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clearthinker2008
we need to respect each other
07:00 AM on 05/07/2009
"I like the idea of affordable­.."

affordable to the poor is $0. That is often forgotten in this equation.
09:48 PM on 05/06/2009
My Senator Evan Bayh better get on board with a public option or we're gonna fire him next cycle. It's ridiculous that we can't have the same healthcare as these congressme­n. If public healthcare is "Socialist­" then they're the biggest Socialists ever and have been for years and years!
09:55 PM on 05/06/2009
In reality, I don't think that the USA could afford the kind of benefits the Congress gets.
09:55 PM on 05/06/2009
BTW, if you want their health care . . . why don't you run against Bayh.
09:31 PM on 05/06/2009
I wish we could revoke the health care of Congress until they can agree on a health plan to cover the rest of the country. I bet that would get them moving...

Amazing how they look out for themselves and corporate America, while the rest of us are thrown to the wolves. Again and again and again.
09:56 PM on 05/06/2009
"I bet that would get them moving... "

How do you figure?

Have you seen the net worth of those people?