Democrats Accused Of Using Hate Crime Bill To Protect Pedophiles (VIDEO)

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05/ 6/09 06:57 PM

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The new, new thing in criticizing Hate Crimes legislation is to pretend that the Democrats have gone and given a whole bunch of special considerations or legal protections to pedophiles. That's the case that Representative Peter Steve King made to a suppliant Sean Hannity yesterday:

HANNITY: We're running out of time. Is it safe to say that Democrats were willing to protect pedophiles but not offer the same protection to servicemen and women? Is that an accurate statement?

KING: Sean, it is a matter of congressional record. Absolutely true -- beyond any doubt whatsoever. The recorded votes are there to prove just what you've said. They -- and on top of that, [Rep.] Alcee Hastings [D] from Florida, that spoke on the rules debate, and he read a list of about 30 different paraphilias -- proclivities, I call them -- including pedophiles, necrophilia, and a number of things that I wouldn't say on this program or any other. And he said I think all philias whatsoever should be protected by this law. That means every perversion that you can imagine would be special protected status under the Democrats' bill that passed off the -- floor of the House of Representatives.

Watch the video here.

OK, in the first place, Representative King needs to get his head examined, brusquely, by some sort of pneumatic hammer. Ryan Grim made note of Alcee Hastings' little bit of Congressional theater, which was done to demonstrate that "every perversion that you can imagine" WOULD NOT BE PROTECTED BY THE HATE CRIMES ACT.

But more to the point, this has nothing to do with pedophiles receiving special legal benefits. This has to do with King's attempt to assert an equivalency between homosexuality and "perversion." Really, this is entirely ancillary to the issue of hate crime legislation itself.

Let's take a look at the relevant Congressional testimony:

KING: This amendment goes to the end of the bill, and it simply says, since we have apparently waived the reading of it, which I do -- it's very short -- it says, "The term sexual orientation as used in this act or any amendments to this act does not include pedophilia." And we've gone through in this debate significant discussion about what sexual orientation means and does not mean. And yet I have not heard from the proponents of this bill into the record a definition of sexual orientation.

I would like to have defined sexual orientation precisely. I recognize, Mr. Chairman, it's unlikely that we will get that done in this committee given the reticence on the part of the majority party to consider any of the changes that we've offered here -- I think in a fashion that is determined to bring this bill out of this committee. And I'm frustrated that we're not able to add better definitions to the ambiguous terms to lock people up in penitentiaries if this bill becomes law.

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And, so, this amendment that I have addresses the issue of pedophiles. And under the term "sexual orientation," if it includes those types of proclivities, particularly the one that is most egregious of all -- and that is victimizing children for the sake of sexual activity with them -- the pedophiles should not be protected under this legislation if we're able to adopt this language that's in my amendment. So, my amendment does not specifically define sexual orientation, although I've tried to do that.

But what it does do is say it doesn't include pedophiles, because I think the intent of this committee is clearly that we don't want to provide a, let's just say, special-protected status, for pedophiles. There are others that I would put in that list as well, but this is the one that stands out to me. It should be beyond question that this committee should be able to take a look at this amendment and conclude that whatever we might think about proclivities, pedophiles is not one that should be included. And, so, that's what my -- I'd yield.

See, to King, "sexual orientation" lacks a legal definition, and so, barring specificity, how can anyone be sure that we're not accidentally cutting in pedophiles or necrophiles -- or corpophiles like King! -- in on some sweet, sweet, hate crime protection. The only problem here is that sexual orientation has heretofore been given a legal definition, and, appropriately, it's a very narrow one, enunciated with crystal clarity by Congresswoman Tammy Baldwin, moments later:

KING: And so I would urge adoption of my amendment that defines clearly that whatever sexual orientation is, it is not, and does not include pedophiles. And with that, Mr. Chairman, I'd urge adoption of my amendment, and I would yield back the balance of my time.


BALDWIN: Thank you Mr. Chairman. I move to strike the last word in opposition to this amendment, that, well -- the gentleman claims that we have not pinned down the definition for sexual orientation. And, indeed, in our earlier session, yet today, I drew his attention to the fact that there is a definition with regard to the Hate Crimes Statistics Act. During the break, I searched to just confirm that what I had articulated earlier today was indeed the definition and it is: "Sexual orientation is means consensual homosexuality or heterosexuality." That is the definition.

Now, as you've noted earlier, there's only one term defined in this legislation, and that's gender identity on page 14. And the reason for that is that that definition exists nowhere else in federal law. This is the first time it's occurring in federal law. But in every other case, gender disability, sexual orientation, race, national origin, color, and -- I'm missing one. The architecture of the hate crime statutes in the United States is those definitions do not lay within that architecture. They exist elsewhere in federal law, and we rely on them. So there is a clear, concise definition of sexual orientation.

Baldwin goes on to note:

Your amendment is unnecessary and, I would add, inflammatory in terms of insinuations, I would say. But given the definition of sexual orientation meaning "consensual homosexuality or heterosexuality," it is absolutely clear that that could not include pedophilia.

So there you have it! Either King is making nimrod-hash out of a serious issue because the vagaries of Congressional testimony are just obtuse enough to fool a clown like Sean Hannity, or King just doesn't understand plain English. Either way, no hate crimes protections have been extended to pedophiles, and the insinuation that pedophilia and homosexuality are somehow linked remains a quaint notion, unsupported by scientific research, the end.

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The new, new thing in criticizing Hate Crimes legislation is to pretend that the Democrats have gone and given a whole bunch of special considerations or legal protections to pedophiles. That's the c...
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- blood1 I'm a Fan of blood1 12 fans permalink

This is yet another example of how the GOP is using the media in an attempt to mislead the public.
Once again, the talking point memo is out, unfortunately, they did not read the bill...but I suppose that is neither here or there....w­hen has reality based statements ever been in their repetoire?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:36 AM on 05/07/2009
- BalletMom I'm a Fan of BalletMom 37 fans permalink
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It's really easy to see why the reichwing gets confused about orientation and pedop.hila - look at their track record.

Dis.gustin­g lot, as always.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:50 AM on 05/07/2009
- StansDad I'm a Fan of StansDad 6 fans permalink
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HE SAID FETISHISM TWICE!!! you heard it! IT'S JUST F***ING CRAZY ALL THEM RULZ!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:49 AM on 05/07/2009

If someone beats up a gay guy, and he didn't even know the guy was gay and the gay guy shouts hate crime, they got an advantage. Just like when women have an advantage if they scratch or hit themselves point at a guy and said it was him!

A crime is a crime, if you assault someone or do anything to harm them physically or financially, you should go to jail. If you say mean things to them and it hurts their feelings, well that's the real world and some people are a** holes, but there allowed that right and the right to say whatever they want. Its freedom of speech, I may not agree with what someone says or believes, but it doesn't mean I hate them. People will discriminate for all sorts of reasons, both liberals and conservatives do it, you can't regulate this crap and its pointless to do so.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:39 AM on 05/07/2009

"If someone beats up a gay guy, and he didn't even know the guy was gay and the gay guy shouts hate crime, they got an advantage.­"

Don't beat anyone up and you won't have a problem with the victim suddenly having an advantage.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:47 AM on 05/07/2009
- bogues I'm a Fan of bogues 42 fans permalink

A hate crime would have to be proved in court. This bill is designed to deal with those who have violent crimes that lead to great bodily harm or death, commited against them based on their personal beliefs or life style. It is not designed to deal with hurt feelings because someone calls you names.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:28 AM on 05/07/2009
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You've obviously never been the victim of a hate crime and thus have an uninformed opinion about the issue.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:48 AM on 05/07/2009
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Voting for a hate-crimes law should be a no-brainer. I gotta wonder why Repubs are so dead-set against it.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:16 AM on 05/07/2009
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Two words: Mark Foley.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:12 AM on 05/07/2009
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Um, it's more than two:

http://www.armchairsubversive.org

Hypocrisy, thy name *remains* GOP... as in "Greedy Old Perverts."

Yeeeach.

Leland R. Erickson

Citizen

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:40 AM on 05/07/2009
- lynettema I'm a Fan of lynettema 54 fans permalink

"Either way, no hate crimes protections have been extended to pedophiles, and the insinuation that pedophilia and homosexuality are somehow linked remains a quaint notion, unsupported by scientific research,"

Facts and science just get in the way of Winger logic.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:59 PM on 05/06/2009
- JackND I'm a Fan of JackND 28 fans permalink

Michelle Obama does more for American servicemen and women in a week than the entire GOP has done in eight years.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:22 PM on 05/06/2009
- American50 I'm a Fan of American50 7 fans permalink
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OH Please!!!!!!!!!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:41 PM on 05/06/2009
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truth hurts, eh?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:54 PM on 05/06/2009
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I mean really!! We all know that the GOP is "the party of conservative Christian family values:"

http://www.armchairsubversive.org

"Party of conservative Christian family values" only if one means the locals in THE HILLS HAVE EYES, but that's about it.

Yeeeach.

Leland R. Erickson

Citizen

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:42 AM on 05/07/2009

what did the GOP do for them exactly??? send them to war on a lie, did not give them proper equipment, bad electrical wiring that continues to kill servicemen and women daily, and an endless brainless mission that only got more of us killed? the simple fact that Obama is ending the Iraq war is BETTER than ANYTHING Bush and the GOp did in 8 years.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:02 AM on 05/07/2009
- Oonagh I'm a Fan of Oonagh 30 fans permalink

I would never be surprised who Hannity has as guests on his show... but the least he should do is get his facts straight .... homosexuals are not pedophiles but I guess that is over his head.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:07 PM on 05/06/2009
- American50 I'm a Fan of American50 7 fans permalink
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Yes BUT some homosexuals are pedophiles

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:41 PM on 05/06/2009
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More often heteros are.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:54 PM on 05/06/2009
- lynettema I'm a Fan of lynettema 54 fans permalink

BUT more heterosexuals are pedophiles.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:00 AM on 05/07/2009
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Pedophilia is a severe psychological disorder overwhelmingly in most cases brought on by childhood trauma due to being sexually molested, while one's sexual orientation is simply that: genetically determined orientation.

So tell us, where did you receive your degree in Psychology again? Your certification in Psychiatry (MD)?

Do tell.

Leland R. Erickson

Citizen

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:48 AM on 05/07/2009
- ladyv I'm a Fan of ladyv 25 fans permalink

Pedophilia is a paraphilia and has nothing to do with sexual preference. In fact, while most pedophiles have a preference between boys and girls, they are ultimately indiscriminate, and simply attracted to pre-pubescent children, period, and select their victims for ease of access, not gender.

Sexual preference is not a paraphilia, and neither heterosexuals nor homosexual select their partners indiscriminately based upon ease of access.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:06 AM on 05/07/2009

So, he wants a definition of sexual orientation. How many choices are there? Either gender likes males, females, or both. And this gets him on Hannity?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:51 PM on 05/06/2009
- ChiGuy I'm a Fan of ChiGuy 325 fans permalink
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Thank you, and keep up the good work, Republicans.
Every single day, one of your own opens their p.iehole and knocks your approval rating even lower.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:20 PM on 05/06/2009
- LeeCalif I'm a Fan of LeeCalif 70 fans permalink

Steve King is still working very hard to stand out in a crowd of irrelevance.

Poor little man.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:20 PM on 05/06/2009
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* Republican lobbyist Craig J. Spence organized child sex parties
at the White House during the 1980s.

* Republican Congressman Donald "Buz" Lukens was found guilty of
having sex with a female minor and sentenced to one month in jail.

* Republican fundraiser Richard A. Delgaudio was found guilty of
child porn charges and paying two teenage girls to pose for sexual photos.

* Republican activist Mark A. Grethen convicted on six counts of
sex crimes involving children.

* Republican activist Randal David Ankeney pleaded guilty to
attempted sexual assault on a child.

* Republican Congressman Dan Crane had sex with a female minor
working as a congressional page.

* Republican activist and Christian Coalition leader Beverly
Russell admitted to an incestuous relationship with his step daughter.

* Republican governor Arnold Schwarzenegger allegedly had sex with
a 16 year old girl when he was 28.

* Republican congressman and anti-gay activist Robert Bauman was
charged with having sex with a 16-year-old boy he picked up at a gay bar.

* Republican Committee Chairman Jeffrey Patti was arrested for
distributing a video clip of a 5-year-old girl being raped.

* Republican activist Marty Glickman (a.k.a. "Republican Marty"),
was taken into custody by Florida police on four counts of unlawful
sexual activity with an underage girl and one count of delivering the
drug LSD.

* Republican legislative aide Howard L. Brooks was charged with
molesting a 12-year old boy and possession of child pornography.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:44 PM on 05/06/2009
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my, oh, my, you pulled those up quick.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:51 PM on 05/06/2009
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public records are easy to find...

insinuations are worthless.­...

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:50 PM on 05/06/2009
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Thank you so much! I've copied that and now have it for ammunition and it's titled "Republican Pedophiles"

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:36 PM on 05/06/2009

To paraphrase the words of Jeff Foxworthy, you might be a Republican if you are a pedophile.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:54 AM on 05/07/2009
- randyjet I'm a Fan of randyjet 26 fans permalink

I looked at the FACT segment of the studies on gay men and pedophilia, and one sentence leaped out. It stated that adult men who molest young boys ARE NOT HOMOSEXUALS! Given this bias, it will be damn near impossible to EVER find any homosexual in existence. According to the studies authors, ONLY adult men who do NOT molest young boys and are exclusively attracted to adult men can be considered true homosexuals. By such stupid definitions, it assures the outcome that they desire. THIS IS BS.

From my rather large acquaintance of gay men in a political organization, I observed that most gays were very much attracted to UNDERAGE young men. They had a term which was called chicken cruising, looking for young boys to have sex with. This is no secret, but if you wish to make the definitions so narrow, then it is impossible to have a rational discussion on this topic.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:28 PM on 05/06/2009
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You looked at what? The FACT segment of the studies on gay men and pedophilia? That doesn't sound like a real thing. I think you're getting upset about something you made up.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:55 PM on 05/06/2009
- lynettema I'm a Fan of lynettema 54 fans permalink

Just because you don't agree with scientific research doesn't mean the research is wrong.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:03 AM on 05/07/2009

no it means the earth is flat!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:31 AM on 05/07/2009
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