Obama Vows To "Make Every Effort To Avoid Civilian Casualties"

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ROBERT BURNS | May 6, 2009 09:24 PM EST | AP

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President Barack Obama, center, stands with Afghanistan's President Hamid Karzai, left, and Pakistani President Asif Ali Zardari, in the Grand Foyer the White House in Washington, Wednesday, May 6, 2009, after their trilateral meeting. (AP Photo/Charles Dharapak)

WASHINGTON — Flanked by the leaders of Afghanistan and Pakistan, President Barack Obama expressed deep U.S. regret Wednesday for civilian casualties in a deadly incident this week in western Afghanistan, promising "every effort" to avoid recurrences in the war against a rising Taliban insurgency.

Obama had a more upbeat and determined tone as he lauded "unprecedented cooperation" between the two neighbors in fighting Taliban and other extremist threats. But he cautioned that success will not come quickly.

"Along the border, where insurgents often move freely, we must work together with a renewed sense of partnership to share intelligence and to coordinate our efforts to isolate, target, and take out our common enemy," Obama said after a day of meetings with Afghan President Hamid Karzai and Pakistani President Asif Ali Zardari.

Obama met separately with Karzai and Zardari, followed by a three-way session that Secretary of State Hillary Rodham Clinton portrayed as an embodiment of a central tenet of the administration's new Afghan war strategy _ that Pakistan and Afghanistan are linked problems.

The latest report of Afghan civilian casualties came at an especially awkward time for the administration, which is stepping up its military campaign inside Afghanistan while also seeking to emphasize the importance of nonmilitary efforts to stabilize the country. The U.S. has pledged, for example, a major increase in civilian expertise in farming and other specialties, along with an increase of 21,000 U.S. troops.

Obama's strategy, unveiled in late March, already is threatened by setbacks to his goal of strengthening a shaky Pakistani government, eliminating al-Qaida and Taliban sanctuaries on the Pakistan side of the Afghan border and fighting Afghan government corruption. Claims of U.S. culpability for civilian deaths in Afghanistan are an added burden.

Gen. Jim Jones, Obama's national security adviser, told reporters that the president began his meeting with Karzai by addressing reports that dozens of civilians had been killed by American bombs on Sunday.

Jones said Obama commented "with great sympathy" and expressed regret for the loss of innocent life. Earlier, before her meetings with Karzai and Zardari at the State Department, Clinton said the U.S. "deeply, deeply" regrets the losses.

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Both Obama and Clinton stopped short of accepting U.S. blame for the deaths.

Obama told Karzai that investigations "will be pursued aggressively with full intent to discover what in fact did happen, how it happened and how we can make sure that things like that do not happen again. And it was clear that President Karzai was moved by that ... and he thanked the president for starting off the meeting with that expression of condolence."

Karzai did not ask that U.S. airstrikes be suspended or reduced in intensity pending the outcome of the investigation, Jones said.

Nor did Zardari raise an equally sensitive topic on his side of the border _ the use of U.S. Predator aircraft to attack extremist targets, Jones said. Pakistanis have strongly protested those attacks, saying they have killed innocent civilians.

In Afghanistan, the U.S. forces commander said it wasn't a certainty that Sunday's deaths were a result of U.S. military action. Gen. David McKiernan said American forces came to the aid of Afghans who may have been ambushed by the Taliban. He said the Taliban beheaded three civilians, perhaps to lure police.

"We have some other information that leads us to distinctly different conclusions about the cause of the civilian casualties," McKiernan said. He would not elaborate.

Karzai, whose public criticism of U.S. airstrikes has grown increasingly indignant, thanked Clinton politely for her concern.

"We appreciate that," Karzai said. "And we hope we can work together toward reducing and eventually completely removing the possibilities of civilian casualties."

The United States has estimated that 80 percent or more or civilian deaths are caused by militants, not U.S. or allied forces, but Obama and his advisers say they know the corrosive effect the airstrikes have on civilian support for the military mission.

In his remarks at the White House, Obama emphasized the progress he said was achieved in the Washington meetings.

"We have advanced unprecedented cooperation," Obama declared. "We will work for the day when our nations are linked not by a common enemy but by a shared peace and prosperity."

Veteran diplomat Richard Holbrooke, the administration's point man for Afghanistan and Pakistan and a participant in the meetings, was upbeat in brief remarks after Obama summarized the day's talks. "It was a day that exceeded our expectations," Holbrooke said. "We turned a corner" in improving coordination.

Gathering the three leaders together at one table, along with lower-level officials from the three countries, "reflects the kind of concrete cooperation and detail that is going to ultimately make a difference in improving opportunity and democracy and stability in Pakistan and in Afghanistan," Obama said.

The stakes couldn't be higher, he said.

"We have learned time and again that our security is shared," the president said. "It is a lesson that we learned most painfully on 9/11, and it is a lesson that we will not forget."

The president said all three governments must cooperate in fighting insurgents who control parts of Pakistan and Afghanistan and must "deny them the space" to threaten local residents _ or Americans.

Earlier in the day, Clinton told reporters that Karzai and Zardari made specific commitments of how they would increase the fight against militants. She wouldn't name their promises yet, but said the talks were "producing some very promising early signs" of greater cooperation.

"I am very optimistic that this process is making a difference," she said in remarks in the White House briefing room.

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Associated Press writers Anne Gearan, Jennifer Loven and Ben Feller contributed to this report.

WASHINGTON — Flanked by the leaders of Afghanistan and Pakistan, President Barack Obama expressed deep U.S. regret Wednesday for civilian casualties in a deadly incident this week in western Afg...
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- leonel I'm a Fan of leonel 5 fans permalink

EXCESSIVE CIVILIAN CASUALTIES IS A SURE WAY TO LOSE SUPPORT FOR WARS OF LIBERATION. ONLY LOSS OF AMERICAN PUBLIC SUPPORT CAN LOSE AF-PAK WAR.

The US and NATO military may have too an aggressive viewpoint of the use of air power to support ground forces. Pakistan and Afghanistan are going to start from different traditional methods of warfare. Asian perspectives are likely to see a slower and more deliberate approach to warfare as wiser than the West that is used to air power and high technology. Here is a quote from ART OF WAR by Sun Tzu (500 B.C). Sun Tzu's techniques were used in the Vietnam War to frustrate the US military and for the American public to finally lose patience. Conceivably if we use some of them, or at least see that maybe Pakistan and Afghanistan think them wise, might help:

"If it is not advantageous, do not move. If objectives cannot be attained, do not employ the army. Unless endangered do not engage in warfare. The ruler cannot mobilize the army out of personal anger. The general cannot engage in battle because of personal frustration. When it is advantageous, move; when not advantageous, stop. Anger can revert to happiness, annoyance can revert to joy, but a vanquished state cannot be revived, the dead cannot be brought back to life."

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:08 PM on 05/11/2009
- American50 I'm a Fan of American50 7 fans permalink
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Yea when the towers fell They tried to avoid civilian casualties also didnt they!!!!

Give us a break Hussian Obama!!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:34 PM on 05/11/2009
- PSM42 I'm a Fan of PSM42 20 fans permalink
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DECEPTION

> Looks like the Neocons still run the DOD and State Department.
Excellent line. A hole in one, imo.

My theory? Afghanistan is the sop that the DOD gets for leaving Iraq in (semi-) defeat. It keeps their minds off doing an LBJ (and others) (on JFK) on the present White House incumbant. Until economic necessity (collapse) forces the wholesale neutering of the DOD.

Peter Dale Scott - http://www.peterdalescott.net/

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:47 PM on 05/07/2009
- AngieMom57 I'm a Fan of AngieMom57 68 fans permalink
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OH, please...another "theory" thanks, been there, done that, read way too many "theories", wearing the t-shirt "an eye for an eye leaves the whole world blind"

Your point is well taken, yet all I could think about today was "more displaced families, young boys, young girls, grandparents, great aunts and everything in between...

Again: I'm in a RAGE AGAINST THE MACHINE

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K7yAO-QCSWA

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:30 PM on 05/07/2009
- PSM42 I'm a Fan of PSM42 20 fans permalink
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Mine was the charitable theory.

Others are more realistic - Pepe Escobar - Asia Times -
http://www.atimes.com/atimes/others/Escobar.html
Real News - Pepe Escobar - http://therealnews.com/t/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=34&Itemid=74&jumival=pepe+&search=search

Peter Dale Scott with Tariq Ali and Michael Parenti - China and US control Pakistan via Zardari - @ 9:20 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RQ1TX-QwtGo

You were in a rage against the machine yesterday, too. Recommend turning off your computer and running. There is a pyschiatrist in San Diego who says "I have no patients who are depressed who run ten miles a day."

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:15 PM on 05/07/2009
- indc I'm a Fan of indc 16 fans permalink

I wonder what Obama thought the probability was that one or both would say they would not fight the Taliban? This is becoming a horrible joke. It was similar policies which have allowed the Taliban to gain adherents and strength. If Bush would have acted rationally rather than following his cowardly desire to prove his manhood to Papa by unnecessarily caused death and devastation to the lives of other people, we would not be in this situation... Now Obama, the change agent, hires the same conventional minds and follows the same conventional paths and expects positive differences.... didn't he repeat Einstein's observation that behavior like that is a definition of crazy.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:12 PM on 05/07/2009
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And he had to use a teleprompter again.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:34 AM on 05/07/2009
- bedfordny I'm a Fan of bedfordny 118 fans permalink

Oh that is too funny. It's such a shame that our well-spoken President can't have the linguistic talents of the bright stars of the Republican party who memorize every word they utter. George "The Decider" Bush, Sarah "The Maverick, you betcha dontcha know, it's all about job Creation" Palin, Rush "Recession, I'm a millionaire what recession?" Limbaugh, and John "A budget needs numbers?" Boehner. Reagan, Bush 1, Ford never, ever used teleprompters or notes either they simply had photographic memories. No president until Obama has ever need one. Keep laughing over that lame one if it keeps you busy for the next eight years.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:52 AM on 05/07/2009
- AngieMom57 I'm a Fan of AngieMom57 68 fans permalink
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one word: BRILLIANT !

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:25 PM on 05/07/2009

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aren't you embarrassed by your lack of an IQ

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:57 AM on 05/07/2009
- indc I'm a Fan of indc 16 fans permalink

A teleprompter is a better source of text support that the mind and mouth of Rush Limbaugh

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:14 PM on 05/07/2009
- popart I'm a Fan of popart 10 fans permalink
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Enough already , get us out of afghanistan and iraq and pakistan and let someone else deal with it for pete's sake...we do not have to baby sit the entire world.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:41 AM on 05/07/2009

Exactly, they're willing to fight the taliban, so let's leave.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:41 AM on 05/07/2009

sure they are

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:54 AM on 05/07/2009
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Isn't it great how Bush/Cheney did such a good job of keeping us safe?

That's why things are going so well in Pakistan and Afghanistan.

Thanks, George.

Thanks, Dick.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:00 AM on 05/07/2009
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Go back to the home, Charlie Brown.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:35 AM on 05/07/2009
- bedfordny I'm a Fan of bedfordny 118 fans permalink

Head back to the bunker, Dick.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:56 AM on 05/07/2009
- AngieMom57 I'm a Fan of AngieMom57 68 fans permalink
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Back at ya, Jack!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:27 AM on 05/07/2009
- iceage7 I'm a Fan of iceage7 118 fans permalink

May be when we had a chance to focus on Afghanistan (the real 911 culprits) things may have changed. By then we had all the world supporting us and would have contributed troops and money to Afgan war effort... but when bush decided to attack mexico sorry i mean Iraq to settle scores for his dad then we lost Afghanistan. So now the problem is left for Obama to fix and it aint going to be easy.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:39 AM on 05/07/2009

the real 911 culprits just left..

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:44 PM on 05/13/2009
- Shavano I'm a Fan of Shavano 7 fans permalink

Good night all, I'm out of here.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:37 AM on 05/07/2009
- JZ735 I'm a Fan of JZ735 22 fans permalink

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/05/05/AR2009050504048.html?wpisrc=newsletter

It is amusing for Obama to think that mere talk can be a sign of ineffectuality on Karzai's part. Pot calling kettle?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:30 AM on 05/07/2009

"President [Obama] inherits a situation that is indeed very dangerous and deteriorating. It's very unfortunate because it need not have been that way. Had the war in Afghanistan been properly resourced over the last seven years, we probably wouldn't have a Taliban insurgency but we're now faced with the reality of a Taliban recovery that has momentum today in southern and eastern Afghanistan. The president, I think, has made the right choice to properly resource the counterinsurgency strategy not only in terms of putting more troops on the ground but also in putting more civilians on the ground for reconstruction and development purposes. The question is if it's too late. I don't think it's too late, but unless we gain traction quickly, we're going to see a problem that will get worse and worse."

Bruce Riedel

CIA expert on south asia

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:22 AM on 05/07/2009

But we won't know it's too late until the death toll reaches x...brilliant!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:42 AM on 05/07/2009
- aturner18 I'm a Fan of aturner18 6 fans permalink
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good to see he has a pair

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:16 AM on 05/07/2009
- PJay1 I'm a Fan of PJay1 44 fans permalink
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It's more than a little naive for the admin to believe that they will get Pakistan and Afghanistan to fight with their Muslime brethren, Taliben or no Taliban, on behalf of the U.S.

REALLY REALLY naive.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:15 AM on 05/07/2009
- researcher I'm a Fan of researcher 105 fans permalink

cannot be won.

afghan will be obama's vietnam

he is making the same mistakes as LBJ

the american industrial military complex is happy tonight.

they have obama in their pockets

money talks always will always has

when you become pres there is one thing you learn.

bow down to the intelligence complex and industrial military complex

or you will be a short time pres

1963 says it all

americans actually think they live in a democracy. fools.

ike took a chance and warned us what was coming but no one listened to him.

he nailed it in jan 1961

capitalism by its very design is designed to take away t he rights and wealth of the many for the benefit of the few.

we brag about the greatness of our capitalism while we borrow huge sums of money to keep it afloat.

who do we borrow from? kings and communists countries.

tell me americans how dumb is that?

that is the power of brainwashing and paradigms.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:12 AM on 05/07/2009

apply soap, wash, rinse, repeat

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:23 AM on 05/07/2009
- Shavano I'm a Fan of Shavano 7 fans permalink

Two things, if you're a poet, separating everything you say with an extra line break might be effective. Since you're not, it's really distracting. Distracting to the point that if you had anything worthwhile reading, it got lost. My advice, try putting it in a concise format that someone would bother to read.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:24 AM on 05/07/2009
- RonGallion I'm a Fan of RonGallion 19 fans permalink
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MMM why are there 12 million illegals here? It must be for the socialism.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:09 AM on 05/07/2009
- zaz33 I'm a Fan of zaz33 32 fans permalink

researcher -

As an independent, I can't disagree with any of your statements.

A few months ago 80% of American thought our country was going in the wrong direction.

Slick politics by a " dinner speaker " has lowered the numbers considerably,

The American people are consistently manipulated into approving a foreign policy by force, which benefits the few.

The charade continues unopposed by the many.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:37 AM on 05/07/2009
- bryansmith I'm a Fan of bryansmith 16 fans permalink
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Well, I think my work here is done....time to turn in

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:57 AM on 05/07/2009
- Shavano I'm a Fan of Shavano 7 fans permalink

G'night.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:08 AM on 05/07/2009
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