Judge Denies Roman Polanski's Bid To Toss Sex Case

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LINDA DEUTSCH | 05/ 7/09 08:46 PM | AP

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FILE - In this Jan. 15, 2009 file photo, Polish-born film director Roman Polanski during a burial ceremony for French film maker Claude Berri, in Montrouge, France. (AP Photo/Michel Euler, file)

LOS ANGELES — A judge on Thursday dismissed Roman Polanski's bid to throw out a decades-old sex case because the fugitive director failed to appear in court to press his request.

In a seconds-long hearing with no lawyers present, Superior Court Judge Peter Espinoza said he was finalizing an earlier decision for the record. He had placed the order on hold to give Polanski time to return to the United States from France.

His lawyer, Chad Hummel, notified the judge earlier this week that Polanski would not appear because he believed his presence was irrelevant to the dismissal motion.

The judge took the bench briefly and said that because "Mr. Polanski doesn't intend to submit himself to the jurisdiction of the court," his motion for dismissal would be denied.

Hummel maintains that the issue of whether Polanski's rights were violated in his 1977 case can be decided in his absence. He has said he will seek review by an appeals court.

Polanski, 75, pleaded guilty in 1977 to unlawful sexual intercourse with a 13-year-old girl and then fled to France. He recently sought dismissal on grounds of misconduct by the now-deceased judge who had arranged a plea bargain and then reneged on it. Polanski risked arrest on a fugitive warrant if he returned to Los Angeles.

"The misconduct is plainly evident from the existing record," Hummel said of the behavior of the deceased judge. He also noted that Espinoza's refusal to dismiss the case is contrary to the wishes of the victim, Samantha Geimer, who joined in Polanski's bid for dismissal. She has said she wants the case to be over.

Espinoza relied on the fugitive disentitlement doctrine, which says that fugitives are not entitled to the processes of the court as long as they remain at large. He also cited the more than 30-year delay since Polanski fled.

Hummel contended the doctrine shouldn't be used "further to cover up misconduct and violate constitutional rights."

Polanski lives in France, where his film career has continued to flourish. He received a directing Oscar in absentia for the 2002 movie "The Pianist." While still in the United States, he directed such classic films as "Chinatown" and "Rosemary's Baby."

A recent HBO documentary on his life uncovered new information about the judge's actions in the 1977 case, which led him to seek dismissal.

LOS ANGELES — A judge on Thursday dismissed Roman Polanski's bid to throw out a decades-old sex case because the fugitive director failed to appear in court to press his request. In a seconds-l...
LOS ANGELES — A judge on Thursday dismissed Roman Polanski's bid to throw out a decades-old sex case because the fugitive director failed to appear in court to press his request. In a seconds-l...
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- AN2009 I'm a Fan of AN2009 4 fans permalink

I find it amusing that Roman Polanski's defenders keep telling others to watch the 2008 HBO documentary, even though the information it contains doesn't completely exonerate him of wrongdoing in the Samantha Gailey case. The film, in actuality, reveals that Polanski enjoys sleeping with adolescent girls and characterizes him as a notorious womanizer and partier. In one segment, he admits that he is a "reckless" person. For example, it wasn't a well-kept secret that he had a relationship with a 15-year-old girl, Nastassja Kinsk, who later starred in his 1979 movie Tess. His criminal defense attorney, Douglas Dalton, initially turned down the plea bargain deal, but then they both agreed to it when the results of the lab tests on Gailey's underwear proved the allegations to be true. Therefore, his fugitive status isn't all that surprising because he is guilty, which is why he ran away to another country.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:18 PM on 06/02/2009
- BelGazou I'm a Fan of BelGazou 5 fans permalink

Good director but a creepy, twisted guy. His behavior after his wife, Sharon Tate was murdered, was macabre.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:57 PM on 05/11/2009
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So you're not here???? Am I free??? I won't leave without
your advice.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:43 PM on 05/11/2009
- emmacop I'm a Fan of emmacop 9 fans permalink

How can we forget Polanski's original defence?

"It's not like she was a virgin or anything". The boy should have gone to the klink, and he bolted. Now we're supposed to give a foreign fugitive pedophile a second chance? Please, show me the documentary.

Pretty soon you lot will be whining for Osama bin Laden to be treated for his sickness in the USA on "humanitarian grounds". Hey, it almost worked for one trying to carve a baby out of its mother, Susan Atkins. What've we spent on her the last year, $2 million?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:09 PM on 05/11/2009

Just additional comment,as fast note as I wrote about Polanski and Woody Allen as two different cases.
I don't want to be misunderstood,as two of the men were by someone called pedophiles by law. So far I know, Allen had an affair with his adoptive daughter, but she was much younger, but in legal age. Strange story, but he did nothing illegal therefore he was not in jail. She was in legal age. Polanski,as I explained, had sex with a minor. Both cases are not fitting the definition of pedophiles .And I explained that sex with minor deosn't exactly means pedophilia as such in every case. Is crime as such, but pedophilia is an orientation in addition.I don't want to go through expalining this distinction again, this was just to express my concern that my previous post could be misunderstood, and I had not time to follow this discussion again, and will not have time to post.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:43 PM on 05/08/2009
- nee I'm a Fan of nee 10 fans permalink

Correction Polanski raped and drugged a child. PEDOPHILE!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:38 AM on 05/09/2009
- peaches49 I'm a Fan of peaches49 8 fans permalink

Give it up- view the documentary.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:05 PM on 05/11/2009
- KarateKid I'm a Fan of KarateKid 292 fans permalink
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Roman, why on earth would you want to come here?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:14 PM on 05/08/2009
- OtayPanky I'm a Fan of OtayPanky 66 fans permalink
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In a just society, there can't be two sets of laws: one for the rich, and the other for everyone else.

Any adult who has sex with a 13 year old is committing a felony crime. End of discussion.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:06 PM on 05/08/2009
- nee I'm a Fan of nee 10 fans permalink

So true! and may her rot in hell or Europe whichever.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:39 AM on 05/09/2009
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Mr. Polanski, if you happen to read this, please take friendly advice AND DO NOT RETURN TO THE UNITED STATES. I too lived in France a number of years, and returned to the U.S. (my birth country) last year. It was a mistake, and you are much better off in France. The health care, education, mass transit, food, wine, music, and art are far superior to the rubbish found here. And it's getting worse.

Americans will never forgive you because they are sexually repressed dullards.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:52 PM on 05/08/2009
- dan-o I'm a Fan of dan-o 5 fans permalink

Lets send Charles Manson to France also.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:54 PM on 05/08/2009
- nee I'm a Fan of nee 10 fans permalink

By "sexually repressed dullards" do you mean that we don't like to drug and rape our children??????

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:40 AM on 05/09/2009
- AN2009 I'm a Fan of AN2009 4 fans permalink

You have to admire the limousine liberals on this website. It's kind of bizarre that these self-anointed defenders of justice keep pointing to France as a beacon of humanitarianism. France is just as hypocritical as every other nation. Recent notable examples include: colonial oppression in Algeria and Indochina and the bombing of the Greenpeace vessel, the Rainbow Warrior, in 1985. If France is so great, why did you return to the USA again? It's funny how a person like you who's defending a social deviant like Roman Polanski can denounce others as immoral. Get over yourself.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:06 PM on 06/02/2009

Hard to believe that France allows anyone with the perverse psychiatric disorder of pedophilia roam around making movies.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:09 PM on 05/08/2009
- KMan1 I'm a Fan of KMan1 6 fans permalink

They can keep him there are a lot of his kind already here.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:03 PM on 05/08/2009

How do you know he has pedophilia? Are you a psychiatrist who examined him? He had sex with a minor. I know for some people it is difficult to understand, but this is not exactly the same. Do your research before you use such words, OK?. Pedophilia includes unlawful sexual behavior involving minors, but sex with minor is also unlawful act, but is not in every case pedophilia.

I wonder how many people know about his case to judge so exact. Wow! We live in a country full of psychiatrists and lawyers! And in addition psychic psychiatrsits, they can give diagnosis without even going through the proffessional evaluation of the patient, and even without seeing him.Just a photo and what is on the media is enough to built a case.This I find amazing!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:56 PM on 05/08/2009
- nee I'm a Fan of nee 10 fans permalink

He drugged and raped a child---- PEDOPHILE!­!!!!!!!!!!­!!!!!!!!!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:40 AM on 05/09/2009
- digdeeper I'm a Fan of digdeeper 18 fans permalink

He is not a pedophile but he doesd have to answer criminal charges.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:11 PM on 05/09/2009
- nee I'm a Fan of nee 10 fans permalink

digdeeper - he raped at least one child that we know of - HE IS A PEDOPHILE!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:24 PM on 05/10/2009
- JoePenn I'm a Fan of JoePenn 4 fans permalink

The only "tossing" should be the French police tossing him into an airplane to be extradited to the US, then tossed into jail.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:56 PM on 05/08/2009
- awckid3 I'm a Fan of awckid3 3 fans permalink

He ran to avoid being prosecuted for a CRIME AGAINST A CHILD! May he never set foot on American soil again unless those feet are in leg irons.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:26 PM on 05/08/2009
- SILVANUS I'm a Fan of SILVANUS 45 fans permalink
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Moreover, Polanski wanted Manson dead-in-jail for offing his wife and unborn kid, and the powers-that-be wanted Manson alive-fore­ver-in-jai­l as a symbol of Everything Being Under Control (they still trot out Manson every couple of years to show America " "Hey, Look, We Always Catch the evil Ones!"), and the judge went after Roman.

Ain't saying Roman is a saint, but it was trumped up beyond the real.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:20 PM on 05/08/2009
- Martha12 I'm a Fan of Martha12 87 fans permalink
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A pedophile is a pedophile, a sex offender by legal definition­..........­.period This one got off scott free and that's a shame.

He fled the country and has been free as a bird all these years. Now he thinks everyone should just forget about it, after all look at Woody Allen.

The should both be in jail.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:14 PM on 05/08/2009

Facts:

"According to Geimer, Polanski asked Geimer's mother if he could photograph the girl for the French edition of Vogue, which Polanski had been invited to guest-edit. Her mother allowed a private photo shoot. According to Geimer in a 2003 interview, "Everything was going fine; then he asked me to change, well, in front of him." She added, "It didn't feel right, and I didn't want to go back to the second shoot."

Geimer later agreed to a second session, which took place on March 10, 1977 at the Mulholland area home of actor Jack Nicholson in Los Angeles. "We did photos with me drinking champagne," Geimer says. "Toward the end it got a little scary, and I realized he had other intentions and I knew I was not where I should be. I just didn't quite know how to get myself out of there." Geimer testified that Polanski performed various sexual acts on her,[13][14][15] after giving her a combination of champagne and quaaludes.[16] In the 2003 interview, Geimer says she resisted. "I said no several times, and then, well, gave up on that."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roman_Polanski

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:35 PM on 05/08/2009

Facts:

"Charges and guilty plea
Polanski was initially charged[19] with rape by use of drugs, perversion, sodomy, lewd and lascivious act upon a child under 14, and furnishing a controlled substance (methaqualone) to a minor. These charges were dismissed under the terms of his plea bargain, and he pleaded guilty to the lesser charge of engaging in unlawful sexual intercourse with a minor.[20]"

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roman_Polanski

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:36 PM on 05/08/2009

Oh yeah, wikipedia and internet are so reliable...

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:43 PM on 05/08/2009

Woody Allen and Polanski are different type of offenders, even tough they are pedophiles as the crime goes. Polanski liked women bellow 25, but was not interested in children. He become a pedophile by law because he was thinking the girl was over 18. Other people were thinking she was over 18 and her mother seemed not to care about giving the correct information about girl's age.It was a crime what he did, but you see the difference between one pedophile and another? And my nice was 5'8" at the age 13. Do you think all would know she was 13? No. parents of such girls need to be even more careful,and protect them even more.My point is some teenager appear more mature, and by looks she didn't look like a child in the first place. We know he did the wrong thing. What the did is sex with a minor, but this is not the same as true pedophilia as defined by psychiatrists and sexologists. So, maybe we should rather say "he had sex with a minor" instead of saying "pedophile" so often? Sex with a minor and pedophilia converge, but it doesn't mean they are authomatically one and the same thing in all cases of crime.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:55 PM on 05/08/2009

By law he was a rapist. He gave her alcohol and quaaludes. She got high. If she was 33 she still was not capable of giving consent because she was high. It was rape and not simply statutory rape.

As best I can remember Woody Allen and Mia Farrows adopted daughter became involved when she was over the age of consent. As far as I know Woody never plied her with alcohol and drugs.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:09 PM on 05/08/2009

I googled it and saw a picture of her at 13 and she looked 13, maybe 14. I don't know exactly but she looked like a young teen. This was not a case of Benjamin Button... Where did you read he didn't know her age? He couldn't have thought she was an adult considering he knew she had to check in with her mom and that he had to get permission from mom, etc... In any case, the girl was 13, he gave alcohol and drugs, AND she said NO. This is ra. pe on so many levels. I understand you're not trying to say he was innocent, but I thought I'd comment here because I think he is more guilty than your comments imply. In addition, while it might be nice if parents were more protective of their teens, some parents are just uncaring or out of it or whatever ( I know nothing about the mom in this case). Kids don't chose their parents and we can't let people get away with crimes against them because their parents were inattentive.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:35 PM on 05/08/2009
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He raped a minor, vaginal and anal. Whether he knew her age is only relevant for law enforcement,not morally.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:43 PM on 05/08/2009

PS.
Oops...Did I say also said "pedophile by law"? By law Polanski is a sex offender who engaged in unlawful sex with with a minor.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:15 PM on 05/08/2009

I'd be willing to bet you $100 you have NO IDEA what this case is all about! They were having CONSENTUAL SEX at the time. Something else happened (defined as Sodomy). That something else is what go thim into trouble.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:35 PM on 05/08/2009

By law and all that is good, you cannot have consensual sex with a 13 year old. She is incapable of giving consent and this is intended to protect children from seduction. She was a child. He had no business doing this. NONE. And he pleaded guilty. Case closed.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:41 PM on 05/08/2009
- Ergon I'm a Fan of Ergon 73 fans permalink
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By law, a 13 year old can NOT give consent to sex, otherwise every pedophile would use the same defense. In fact, they usually try. The champagne and qualudes only added to the enormity of his offense, and the judge only backed out of the plea bargain because of the huge public outcry. And I would rely on the Grand Jury testimony instead of self-serving autobiographies and HBO movies by fans of his.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:48 PM on 05/08/2009
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Could we talk about something else?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:10 PM on 05/08/2009

Like what???

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:12 PM on 05/08/2009
- Jazz88105 I'm a Fan of Jazz88105 10 fans permalink

good i am glad he is a child rapist

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:35 PM on 05/08/2009

Excuse me, it was CONSENTUAL!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:36 PM on 05/08/2009
- Yves Papa I'm a Fan of Yves Papa 14 fans permalink

Just go to another topic.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:15 PM on 05/08/2009

Either dismiss the charges or initiate extradition proceedings with France.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:00 PM on 05/08/2009

France will not extradite. That is why he fled there.

"The United States can still request the arrest and extradition of Polanski from other countries should he visit them, and Polanski has avoided visits to countries that are likely to extradite him (such as the UK) and mostly travels and works in France, Germany, the Czech Republic and Poland."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roman_Polanski

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:09 PM on 05/08/2009

France will not extradite him: (a) he's a French citizen, (b) in most countries there are statutes of limitations on crimes, and (c) the judicial misconduct of the judge has been pretty well established (unfortunately, the bastard died and got away with it...) It puzzles me why the current judge takes such an intransigent position on this issue. For once, if the court managed to 'clean up' the original judge's mess at least there would be a chance that Polanski would decide to indeed submit himself to the jurisdiction of the LA court and go through with the process.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:11 PM on 05/08/2009

What judicial misconduct? Explain.

The current judge was not swayed by this assertion. Is the assertion supported by any facts?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:24 PM on 05/08/2009
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