Short Sales: Banks Blocking Way Out Of Foreclosure Crisis

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First Posted: 05- 8-09 03:35 PM   |   Updated: 06- 8-09 05:12 AM

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Brett Ellis, a real estate agent in Fort Myers, Fla., was thrilled when he got an offer for a property in Bell Tower Park in May 2008.

"It was a gorgeous property on the corner lot," Ellis told the Huffington Post. The owner, who had lost his job, wanted to sell the apartment for a loss rather than go into foreclosure, a strategy known as a short sale.

The offer was for $350,000, and Ellis, who is a certified distressed property expert trained in executing such sales, knew it was as good an offer as he was going to get in this market. He immediately sent the paperwork into the bank.

He waited for four months. The bank finally told him it wouldn't take anything less than $400,000 -- a price Ellis was sure he could never get. In September, the buyer's agent called to say, "You know what, we gotta move on, we gotta buy something else."

Now the property is sitting vacant as it slides into foreclosure. Its former owner's credit is destroyed, and the house is losing value every day. "God knows what the condition is today," Ellis said, adding he'd be surprised if the property is worth more than $290,000 when it resurfaces on the market. Add in the legal expenses involved in a foreclosure, and the bank cost itself a hundred thousand dollars more that it otherwise would have.

It's a scenario that plays out constantly, everywhere in the United States. In a time of collapsing real estate values, where one in five homes are now under water, a short sale is increasingly the only option before foreclosure. It is less damaging to credit scores and spares the homeowner the shame of foreclosure.

It is also a better option for banks: According to one analysis, short sales resulted in loan losses of only 19 percent, compared with an average loss of 40 percent on homes sold after foreclosure.

So why aren't these sales more widely used?

The broad answer is that the American financial system simply can't handle a collapse of this magnitude. The fates of the banking and real estate industries are intertwined. But they don't work together -- and the result is that they end up working against each other.

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The more precise answer is related to securitization, the method by which banks bundle together different mortgages and slice them up and sell the pieces to various investors. Securitization makes negotiating a real estate sale that results in a loss nearly impossible.

"The most significant aspect is that so many of the banks' mortgages have been securitized, put together and bundled, sold off to Iceland or China or some godforsaken place," said Dave Liniger, founder and chairman of global real estate company Re/Max, in an interview with the Huffington Post. "The bank has to go through all of the various people who are stakeholders and it becomes a very lengthy process, and the bank is turning off the realtors by not even getting answers back to them, sometimes for months."

Banks have little incentive to untie those bundles. Since mortgages are listed on the banks' balance sheets at the value of the original loan, if they complete a short sale they must record a loss on their balance sheets. That would explain why banks drag the process out as long as possible. In Ellis' case, the property is sitting vacant a year after the first offer, allowing the bank to list the original value on its balance sheet all along.

According to research firm Campbell Communications, only 23 percent of short sale transactions are actually completed. "Three out of four potential short sale transactions fail, principally because the mortgage servicer takes too long to respond to the offer," said Tom Popik, author of a February survey of real estate agents. "When these same properties are later sold it further depresses real estate prices."

Congress has had as much success untangling this mess as real estate agents.

"We've been trying to figure out probably for close to two years now why so few mortgages are being modified when it seems to make absolute business sense for the person holding the mortgage to modify rather than foreclose or to take a smaller loss selling it rather than a bigger loss foreclosing on it," said Rep. Brad Miller (D-N.C.).

Miller points his finger at securitization. Once the mortgages are bundled and sliced up into different pieces, known as tranches, the owners of the pieces get paid back according to a certain pecking order. Senior investors get paid back first and if there's a loss, the most junior investors won't get anything. It's those investors who are blocking short sales.

"The people with the least senior tranches have no reason to agree to the modification because they take a complete loss and the people in the most senior tranches don't lose anything. So they've managed to structure their mortgages in a way that makes it almost impossible to modify or sell short," said Miller.

Miller sponsored legislation to reform the bankruptcy code to allow judges to rewrite those contracts, taking away the ability of junior investors to sue and encouraging them to negotiate. But the House-approved measure died in the Senate, 51-45, killed last week by Republicans and 12 Democrats, leaving it 15 votes short of the 60 needed to overcome a filibuster.

Dave Liniger of Re/Max said the provision would have changed the bargaining landscape. Lenders would have had much more of an incentive to take a loss on a short sale rather than see a judge unilaterally change the terms of a mortgage.

"It was a negotiating ploy more than anything," Liniger said.

"It's disappointing," said Financial Services Committee chairman Barney Frank (D-Mass.) of the banks' tendency to foreclose rather than agree to a sale. "I've heard that and I've been trying to press the banks not to do that."

Without bankruptcy reform, the only power the government has is persuasion.

"In the absence of bankruptcy [legislation], you're talking about contracts that we cannot abrogate," he told the Huffington Post. "That's why bankruptcy was so important."

Is there any chance Congress will return to it?

"Excuse me, what planet were you on last week? The vote was 45 to 51. Why would you ask that? Do I think there's a likelihood we could overturn 45-51? No," said Frank.

"I wish it weren't the case," he added. "Maybe there's some kind of compromise."

Sen. Dick Durbin (D-Ill.) isn't confident. "The purpose of the debate last week was to try to create some impetus for the banks to start renegotiating these mortgages in a positive way and the industry fought it," Durbin, who last week concluded banks "frankly own the place," told the Huffington Post. "I think many of the banks have not operated in good faith when it comes to this mortgage foreclosure issue."

Homeowners are the big losers of the banks' battle against the bill. But real estate agents are now losing real money as commissions fall through, making them a potential lobbying counterweight to the banks.

The National Association of Realtors wants the rules changed: "We are advocating measures that would help streamline the process when using FHA, Fannie or Freddie," said NAR spokeswoman Mary Trupo in a statement to the Huffington Post. "We are hoping that new process and regulations are put in place."

Fannie Mae just wrapped up a pilot program to test a process for streamlining short sales by partnering with local listing providers in Arizona and Florida to pre-approve 400 properties for short sales. The government-backed mortgage firm is still evaluating feedback from brokers, but overall the program was a success, and a new short sale initiative is in the works for this year.

"Short sales are one of the tools to avoid foreclosure if all other workout options are exhausted. It's always in the best interest of the homeowner, the community, and the investor to avoid foreclosure," said Fannie Mae spokeswoman Amy Bonitatibus in a statement to the Huffington Post.

Liniger says Re/Max recently trained 5,000 employees in short sales.

Lita Smith-Mines, a lawyer who specializes in real estate on Long Island, told the Huffington Post she and her colleagues often see short sales turn into foreclosures because the bank won't play along--even when losses are as small as $25,000 and the offer is as high as it will get. And much higher, in this market, than the bank will get from a foreclosure auction. The legal costs of foreclosure alone typically run to $50,000.

"There's no common sense when it comes to lenders. They have their paperwork and if you don't slot perfectly in, they just say no," she said.

"A lot was taken on the front end [during the housing boom], but they're not giving anything back on the back end," she said. Smith-Mines, though, said she isn't surprised. "If they actually cared about borrowers, we wouldn't be in this mess in the first place."

HuffPost readers: Has the bank foreclosed on your home after dragging its feet on a short sale? Have you given up on a short sale after making an offer and waiting months? Email us your story at submissions+foreclosure@huffingtonpost.com

Ryan Grim is the author of the forthcoming book This Is Your Country On Drugs: The Secret History of Getting High in America


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Brett Ellis, a real estate agent in Fort Myers, Fla., was thrilled when he got an offer for a property in Bell Tower Park in May 2008. "It was a gorgeous property on the corner lot," Ellis told the H...
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- Bernique I'm a Fan of Bernique 50 fans permalink

There is a recent article in The Nation* that exposes this phenomenon. The details are sordid. The results mind-boggling. We need policing of the whole industry, the banking/servicing/brokers web of deceit and greed.

*"More mortgage madness" by Kai Wright, The Nation, May 18, 2009, page 11.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:35 PM on 05/10/2009
- Carolab I'm a Fan of Carolab 451 fans permalink
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Another good report by Kai Wright:

The 'Mortgage Meltdown' Was No Accident

First-time homebuyers have originated less than a tenth of all subprime loans since 1998, according to a 2007 Center for Responsible Lending analysis. As recently as 2006, just over half of all subprime loans were refinances of existing home loans. The expected foreclosure toll from these loans will outpace the ownership gains by nearly a million families, the center estimates.

That's particularly true in established black neighborhoods like Westwood, where banks and brokers targeted vulnerable longtime homeowners and lured them into needless and rapidly recurring mortgages they clearly couldn't afford and from which they never stood to gain. More than half of all refinance loans made to African-Americans in 2006 were subprime, according to an analysis by the advocacy group ACORN. That's nearly twice the rate among white borrowers. Among low-income black borrowers, 62 percent of refinance loans were subprime, more than twice the rate among low-income whites.

http://www.alternet.org/workplace/89837/

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:59 PM on 05/10/2009
- Carolab I'm a Fan of Carolab 451 fans permalink
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Link to Kai's article in the currency issue:

http://www.thenation.com/doc/20090518/wright

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:35 PM on 05/10/2009
- Carolab I'm a Fan of Carolab 451 fans permalink
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*current* issue

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:11 PM on 05/10/2009
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LENDERS=NOT WILLING TO RE-NEGOTIATE LOANS

Securitization of mortgage exists with=Normal Sale+Short Sale
Title must be cleared=Occurs prior to closing and after offer acceptance=Closes Derivative
Banks Foreclose=wipes out Previous Mortgage=Wipes out mortgage securities obligations
Mortgage backed securities (MBS) Insurance=Triggers paying Hedge Funds Full Face Value
If mortgages default=Hedge Funds get 100%
BofA 400,000 mortgages were renegotiated=triggered lawsuit by Hedge Fund
Insurance is triggered to pay 100%=if anything other than "temporary loss" in value of securities
Congress=proposes new language=Protect lenders+loan servicers from lawsuits if loans modified
Congress=attempt to expand scope of HOPE plan to protect renegotiation
New Bill=Shields mortgage servicers pools of loans from lawsuits for modifying a loan
New Bill=Coalition of investors oppose arguing it protects Servicers from misdeeds
If lenders+mortgage services short sell/negotiate, must Buy back securities contracts at full value
If let homeowners default=foreclosure+derivative "casino bets" pays off 100% at taxpayers' cost
Government further protects lenders/servicers from being sued=if they renegotiating loans
If investors are not allowed to collect on securities contracts=they could sue gov. (us) for losses
Bank=gets back property+can Sell it+Put under a new mortgage+Re-securitized+Sell at Profit
Repeat Leverage Tricks=Cycle all over again=Main Street Home Owner Loses+Wall Street Wins

Research: CarolAB

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:04 PM on 05/10/2009
- Carolab I'm a Fan of Carolab 451 fans permalink
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The Paul Milstein Center's proposal argues that if the servicers can prove the investors revenue stream is protected (over and above getting the coupons they receive in a foreclosure), then "safe harbor" could be argued and investors could not bring suit against the government under the "Takings Clause" of the fifth amendment (arguing that this clause pertains to property takings vs. regulatory takings--the securities do not represent actual "property" and "regulatory takings" do not apply if the servicers can demonstrate that investors will receive positive cash flow greater than foreclosure). They argue this would prevent at least one million foreclosures and save the taxpayers and the investors billions of dollars.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:31 PM on 05/10/2009
- Carolab I'm a Fan of Carolab 451 fans permalink
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The Center's proposal:

When the initial housing plan was announced, I was concerned about the seeming lack of any provision that would enable servicers of securitized mortgages to modify those mortgages without being sued by the investors who bought the securities. In any case, an important question is whether the plan will do enough to encourage servicers to modify securitized mortgages, as opposed to mortgages they own.

The problem is that servicers for securitized mortgages do not have the incentive to maximize the economic value of the mortgages, but rather to maximize their servicing fees and avoid lawsuits from investors, which leads them to foreclose in situations where a servicer that owned the whole mortgage would make a modification. To get around this, they propose three things:

1. Incentive fees to servicers of 10% of all payments made on securitized mortgages, in order to provide them with the incentive to maximize the stream of mortgage payments.
2. Compensation to lenders of second liens, in effect paying them not to hold up a loan modification.
3. New legislation protecting servicers from lawsuits by their investors.

The last proposal raises the issue of the Takings Clause of the Fifth Amendment, which could be interpreted to mean that legislation affecting the rights of investors in mortgage securities is unconstitutional. The authors make an argument, complete with multiple Supreme Court citations, that that interpretation would not be correct in this case.

http://baselinescenario.com/2009/03/21/modifying-securitized-mortgages/

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:40 PM on 05/10/2009

Banking, when its done right, is just legalized bookmaking.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:43 PM on 05/10/2009
- userw014 I'm a Fan of userw014 2 fans permalink
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Change the tax laws such that losses on these loans by the banks and holders of the sliced-n-diced mortgages can't be deducted from income.

That will encourage the senior tranche holders to negotiate with the junior tranche holders to find a solution.

This kind of behavior is clearly not in the public interest and should not be accommodated even in the slightest by the tax system.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:25 AM on 05/10/2009
- ejhickey I'm a Fan of ejhickey 16 fans permalink

Currently in Chicago, many mortgage lenders are selling houses that have been foreclosed upon , for far less than what is owed on the mortgage. In many of the sales, the mortgage lenders are selling properties for 50% to 75% less than what is owed on the mortgage.

It appears as if many of the mortgage companies are doing a sort of self cram down as far as the mortgage balances are concerned . they have so many houses on their hand, that they are desperate to get rid of them and will take almost anything just get rid of them. Gentlemen - start up your checkbooks - this is the start of Second Chicago Fire sale.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:10 PM on 05/09/2009
- Rule Of Law I'm a Fan of Rule Of Law 166 fans permalink

New fees, new loans, more debt, more money!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:19 PM on 05/09/2009
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More Loan FEED for creating MORE Derivatives/Toxic Assets to Sell!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:23 AM on 05/10/2009
- Carolab I'm a Fan of Carolab 451 fans permalink
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And who is holding the bag for those losses, exactly?

We are, son, we are.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:55 AM on 05/10/2009
- jwdeluca I'm a Fan of jwdeluca 8 fans permalink

Nationalize the banks and Federal Reserve NOW!
Vote all pro-banking, anti-citizen "representatives" out NOW.

Read E. Brown's The Web of Debt.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:02 PM on 05/09/2009
- jerrydenim I'm a Fan of jerrydenim 2 fans permalink

Good read. Exposes the brain shattering perversity of our monetary system.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:12 AM on 05/10/2009
- Rule Of Law I'm a Fan of Rule Of Law 166 fans permalink

I'll say it again, plain out--

There is no economic crisis. The deals, bets, gambling that the banks want us to pay them for could be rescinded by prior agreement amongst themselves and everything rolled back, as far as the derivatives are concerned. If the banks were forced to go through real bankruptcy proceedings, that's exactly what would occur.

What we have is a group of thieves, a cartel as evil as the Cali coke mobsters, who are holding up the government by threatening to bring everything crashing down if they are not paid off on their scams. Period. Remember, martial law was threatened if the first bail out under Bush wasn't approved by Congress! That's power.

What we are looking at is the biggest ponzi scheme ever devised, and since they own the Congress and White house--one way or another--they will get what they want.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:42 PM on 05/09/2009
- DrVeruju I'm a Fan of DrVeruju 4 fans permalink

A pity that we can't influence legislation ... but we might be able to - see http://ni4d.us/

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:42 PM on 05/10/2009
- booker52 I'm a Fan of booker52 32 fans permalink
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If this practice of bundling mortgages is part of the problem, and it sounds like it is, then maybe some new regulations need to be put into place to stop it. Isn't this how the whole housing market came undone to begin with? Liars loans and the like being sold to make up these bundles?? And now when it's fallen apart the banks are blocking the way because of the payback structure. Bogus!!!!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:52 PM on 05/09/2009
- Rule Of Law I'm a Fan of Rule Of Law 166 fans permalink

Mortgages used to be held pretty much forever by the bank that funded the home loan, even if a mortgage broker was involved. Today who really has the paper on your house is anybody's guess.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:27 PM on 05/09/2009
- jerrydenim I'm a Fan of jerrydenim 2 fans permalink

It's not so much the bundling as it is the slicing and dicing that takes place after the mortgages are bundled. Some CDO's have other types of debt mixed in with the mortgages. Who do you negotiate a short sale with if you can't even figure out who owns the house? Even if you could track down every entity who held the respective tranches that made up the collective 'holder of the mortgage' all of the varying tranches have differing sensitivities to risk and various financial compensation schemes associated with their respective tranches so its highly unlikely the holders of senior tranches would have the same common interests as a person with junior or mezzanine debt.

Sound confusing? It is. Basically securitization of debt is a terrible idea and should be illegal for many reasons, but instead of banning this insidious practice which was the culprit behind almost every cause of the financial crisis (excess liquidity, inflated real estate, loose credit extended to uncredit worthy individuals, over leveraged banks, credit default swaps, etc.) the Obama administration is attempting to restart the securitization engine that broke down in September. Reflation is the name of the game. The bubble must truly pop at some point, but it looks like it won't be this year.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:35 AM on 05/10/2009
- sloreader I'm a Fan of sloreader 17 fans permalink

Loan originators should be required to own their paper (i.e., be restricted from slicing, dicing and selling on the open market) for at least five years. Minimum.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:59 PM on 05/11/2009
- Lane4411 I'm a Fan of Lane4411 4 fans permalink

"Cram Downs" must be available to homeowners this is why:

*20% of homeowners are "underwater";

*Continuing job losses/income reduction, will result in increased defaults,foreclosures;

*Which will result in further "value destruction" of single family housing.

"Cramdowns" are avilable for business, Commercial Real Estate, 2nd homes, bankruptcies

This madness is destroying value of homes for every America

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:23 PM on 05/09/2009

sorry but i bought a house i could afford, and intend to keep making my payments despite the fact the house is worth less now ..
just because someone's house is worth less than what they paid, that shouldnt mean the goverment compensates them ... they invested and lost, often fraudulently .. if they had bought a house they could afford, likely they would be able to continue making the payments (barring job loss)

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:13 AM on 05/12/2009

People seem to have missed another important part of this. The very securities that are supposedly at the heart of this mess, are not being traded because the banks say "they cannot be priced". First off, this is a lie, everything can be priced. The banks WON'T price them low enough to actually sell them. Can't and won't are too VERY different words. But now, more importantly, we see that they can't even act in their own best interest. They pass the blame to these investors who won't sign off, but it was the banks who killed the legislation that would have provided the motivation to stop behaving this way. Which brings me to the important point. Once these properties start getting sold, the market starts to see over time, what fraction of any given property, mortgaged for any amount etc. is liable to be a loss. Are you following? That's right folks, we begin to do what? We begin to put a price on those securities that "can't" be sold. As long as these amoral parasites are confidant the public trough is there no matter how bad they behave, they will not do anything to harm their chance to get more free money. Oh they make like they don't want it, but I don't see them turning it down, or behaving more responsibly now than they did before. And NONE of it is going to be fixed. Don't kid yourselves, this isn't the big one...wait a few years.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:14 PM on 05/09/2009
- Rule Of Law I'm a Fan of Rule Of Law 166 fans permalink

Absolutely correct. They WON'T sell them because they want what they Thought they would be if held to maturity and nothing less.

As for the big one, it will come when the federal government is unable to pay out any more money because these vampires have broken the bank. The World Bank and the IMF (all funded with our money too) will offer to help bail us out. The terms will be the establishment of a totalitarian ruling class and the return of this country to the status of a Colony where our natural resources are strip mined away to foreign countries and we produce nothing, but buy the finished goods that come back to us with what little what little money they allow us to make. Feudalism by any other name...

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:33 PM on 05/09/2009
- jerrydenim I'm a Fan of jerrydenim 2 fans permalink

The banks COULD NOT price the assets (CDO's, CLO's, MBS etc.) low enough to sell them or else they would have to admit they are BROKE. That was why you heard all of the fuss about 'mark to market accounting' and that is why the financial services accounting board granted the rule change allowing banks to mark such assets at whatever value they wanted. The PPIP is yet another form of back door bank recapitalization via the FDIC and a trillion dollar put option courtesy of the tax payer. Banks are also subject to lower capital requirements than they were before. 25:1 The pyramid scheme that is our banking system just got bigger, more perverse, more unstable, and more opaque.

Thanks Timmy and Ben. Go Dow go!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:48 AM on 05/10/2009

Why would any bank agree to anything less than its boards knows they are going to get for their corrupt over reaching of a decade, directly from our pockets ala the Treasury & Fed Reserve ?
The private/public collaboration to sell off the toxic "assets" gives them no incentive to cooperate ; No One in Government to -date has/ will "call them out" beyond semantic pretenses of fighting for us;in particular their protected Boards Of Directors. Why has no one In Washington published lists of who they are & demanded their resignations or promised with no waffling that banks & Goldman etc. would be nationalized post haste; then do it & dump & prosecute them.
Instead there is a concerted movement to protect their names, compensation & Washintgon DC connections. Why??? There is also the big lie used as a mantra: "Without the banks & their billionaires there will be no cooperation in bailling out the "toxic "assets." Really. Have they tried it? No
Why did the New York Fed Chief resign ? Goldman one of the cannibals decimating the masses. There is no one in Washington ,in any branch of government with an iota of open,truthful, no -mincing- words posture or personal integrity that comes before their staying in their position of power. They all gotta go sooner than later. Sad to have to come to this conclusion so early in a new term of office for all of them. But It's obvious.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:37 PM on 05/09/2009
- research I'm a Fan of research 295 fans permalink

Then the Banks can just demolish the homes,

While millions of Americans

Become Homeless.

Charge them all with Fraud.

Triple damages and prison.

Even if you follow the laws and regulations,

But intend to trick people out of their money,

That's Fraud.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:36 PM on 05/09/2009
- stargazer13 I'm a Fan of stargazer13 109 fans permalink
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fraud I know

homeless families who,s life work at creating good credit has taken it,s own toll in years of stress

ruined over nite for quick profits they have robbed the people and then are allowed too sail off happily into the wild blue yonder with bonuses and that a boy,s

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:35 PM on 05/09/2009
- TrueSense I'm a Fan of TrueSense 12 fans permalink

With the exception of the tax haven issue and student finance, Obama has not taken on the fat cats. Here we have somehting that would save everyone money and lessen the crisis.

The only other time he gets tough is to protect Wall Street from the people. Let me get this straight, they get bailed out for a situation they largely caused, take that money to bribe and meet with congress to stop a bill that would save them, the communities, and people money and cost the government less. Buyers, borowers, agents, and sellers and towns get strong out for months. Where is our so called press and where is President Obama ?

If you give a the write congressional person $ 1, 000, you are likely to get a benefit worth 100 to a 1000 times that amount.

This cram down would have passed easily in the 70's, but we used to have about 1000 lobyist then compared to over 30k now. Max Baucus is bought and paid for. He showed it here and now he is showing it again in health care. I wish Ted Kennedy were still in the game.

The congress, the senate in particular, are the new money changers. They are in the people's house. They should look at themelves in the mirror, but if you are a vampire and have no soul, there is no reflection to see. You are only interested in yourself. Everyone but the people that caused this must pay !

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:55 PM on 05/09/2009
- veritasor I'm a Fan of veritasor 3 fans permalink

Where is the democracy, where is the freedom?
They are only for those thieves in this country.

See the confession of an insider, a senator so to speak...
http://www.pbs.org/moyers/journal/05082009/profile.html

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:42 PM on 05/09/2009
- DrVeruju I'm a Fan of DrVeruju 4 fans permalink

"Where is the democracy, where is the freedom? "

Perhaps ... http://ni4d.us/

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:49 PM on 05/10/2009
- jazzman I'm a Fan of jazzman 248 fans permalink
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Solution: Place the banks into receivership, throw out the executives, pass the bankruptcy bill. It's time to stop tolerating these B*&*$%ds who put the whole world into a recession through their greed, venality, and stupidity.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:38 PM on 05/09/2009
- Altruth I'm a Fan of Altruth 70 fans permalink

The ball is in motion to get rid of the clueless Bank CEOs and it will be done with Class and Style!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:36 PM on 05/09/2009
- dsws I'm a Fan of dsws 14 fans permalink
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Some bank CEOs are already out, and some will stay after all this is over.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:52 PM on 05/09/2009
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