Waterboarding Not Discussed At CIA Briefings, Congressional Aide Says

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05/ 8/09 01:16 PM

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A senior aide to another member of Congress briefed by the CIA around the same time as Speaker Nancy Pelosi tells the Huffington Post that the use of waterboarding was never mentioned at those briefings.

Pelosi is under fire today after CIA logs showed that she was briefed on enhanced interrogation techniques in 2002. Several media accounts asserted that the CIA report 'appeared to contradict' Pelosi's statements that she was never informed that such techniques were being used (the Associated Press was more careful, running a headline, "CIA docs unclear on Pelosi interrogation briefings.")

And indeed, while Pelosi's critics have pounced on the new revelations, it's not at all clear that there is a contradiction.

The back-story here is important. Pelosi has repeatedly said that while she was briefed on interrogation techniques being discussed by the Bush administration, she was never told "that waterboarding or any of these other enhanced interrogation methods were used."

During an appearance on MSNBC in February, Pelosi said, "They did not brief us that these enhanced interrogations were taking place. They did not brief us that was - they were talking about an array of interrogations that they might have at their disposal... They may have given inference that there was some debate that waterboarding could be legal. Of course, I disagree with that. But the issue is, are you going to use such a thing? And they had not ever briefed us that that was the case."

On Wednesday, the CIA released a report describing the briefings it gave to members of Congress on the Bush administration's interrogation program. According to the report, Pelosi partook in a September 4, 2002 briefing on, among other things, "the use of [enhanced interrogation techniques] on Abu Zubaydah." The report, which was drawn from recollections of the CIA officials, did not, however, specifically mention whether waterboarding was discussed at the briefing -- an absence that Pelosi's aides say validates her statements.

Republicans have also trumpeted the report as evidence that protests now over the Bush administration's policies are politically motivated (after all, they say, there were no public protests in real time).

Unfortunately for Pelosi, the same day the report was made public she was traveling in Jordan and holding talks with King Abdulah II. The foreign trip has left her relatively defenseless to the new round of charges.


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A senior aide to another member of Congress briefed by the CIA around the same time as Speaker Nancy Pelosi tells the Huffington Post that the use of waterboarding was never mentioned at those briefin...
A senior aide to another member of Congress briefed by the CIA around the same time as Speaker Nancy Pelosi tells the Huffington Post that the use of waterboarding was never mentioned at those briefin...
 
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- American50 I'm a Fan of American50 7 fans permalink
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Speaker Nancy Pelosi tells America "I Lied"

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:18 AM on 05/12/2009
- JerryLevy I'm a Fan of JerryLevy 53 fans permalink
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If rendition was used during the Clinton administration and Eric Holder was aware of it, and if Pelosi was briefed on the use of waterboarding, we simply must make this a part of any investigation of the Bush Administration's conduct during the liberation of Iraq. That's all, let's investigate and let the chips fall where they may----Democrat or Republican.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:30 AM on 05/10/2009
- Yermammy I'm a Fan of Yermammy 137 fans permalink
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I don't know what your political affiliations are and it really doesn't matter on this point. You are what makes me proud to be an American. We, the People are the ones that will ultimately pay the unfortunate price for dishonoring the rule of law and the supreme laws of the land-- our treaty obligations. I am ready to embrace anyone of any ideological belief as long as it is one of love for our Country. A respect for our good moral standing, for the world to see, makes you a patriot in my book. Well done.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:39 AM on 05/10/2009
- Yermammy I'm a Fan of Yermammy 137 fans permalink
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I do find it odd that you term the illegal war in Iraq (that was prosecuted on lies, false flag ops and ginned up intelligence reports) as the "liberation of Iraq". That is what the international community terms as "Crimes against Humanity" (aggressive war). That is the next series of investigations will cover.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:02 AM on 05/10/2009
- AnnfromCA I'm a Fan of AnnfromCA 168 fans permalink

New story out today confirming that she most definite was briefed in 2003. This is one situation that I have no sympathy for her.

People in glass houses!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:55 AM on 05/10/2009
- Yermammy I'm a Fan of Yermammy 137 fans permalink
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If true, that's unfortunate... for her. The fact remains that War Crimes (torture) and Crimes against Humanity (aggressive war) occurred and investigations are necessary per our treaty obligations (Conference on Torture treaty; Ronald Reagan Signatory 1988 & Ratified by Senate 1994).
That's the very big difference between torture apologists and Liberal Democrats, rock ribbed Republicans, and Civil Libertarians-- we don't care WHO broke the law. We are demanding investigations and shed light on these heinous crimes regardless of who is complicit. To do otherwise would be hypocritical and "conservatives" have that market cornered, it seems.
As much as you'd like this to go away, it's not. 145 Countries are Signatories to the CoTT and if we don't do something (soon) about it, they will. It's not an option at this point.
Wish in one hand and ......

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:11 AM on 05/10/2009
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This person thinks that progressives are like GOPers. That progressives will circle around a lawbreaker, no matter how egregious the offence, if that lawbreaker is a Dem, exactly like the GOPers always do.

This person does not understand that progressives are more interested in upholding the law.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:39 AM on 05/10/2009
- Lemeritus I'm a Fan of Lemeritus 107 fans permalink
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New story WHERE exactly?! Is it too much to ask for links? Or should we just take your word for it?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:22 AM on 05/10/2009
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Oh, she was briefed.

Problem is, exactly on what was she briefed?

I know you choose to believe the "we-know-w­here-the-W­MDs-are" CIA.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:37 AM on 05/10/2009
- AnnfromCA I'm a Fan of AnnfromCA 168 fans permalink

Oh, her aide is spilling the beans.

And she's now escalated by lying to the point the minutes are about to come out.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:08 AM on 05/10/2009
- Yermammy I'm a Fan of Yermammy 137 fans permalink
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Would someone please explain to me how this matters pertaining to the issue of war crimes? Investigations will tell us whether or not she's complicit. It's time to appoint a special prosecutor, Mr. Eric Holder. The world and America are waiting. Our treaties are to be upheld per Article Six of the United States Constitution.
U.S. Constitution, Article VI:
[A]ll Treaties made, or which shall be made, under the Authority of the United States, shall be the supreme Law of the Land.
It's time, Sir.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:30 AM on 05/10/2009
- Bobrobert I'm a Fan of Bobrobert 9 fans permalink

War crimes will be investigated... either by the justice department or by a Tribunal set up overseas.

Bush and Chaney are toast.

roflmao

They will be the first to confined to the US because of fear of prosecution of war crimes.

roflmao

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:14 AM on 05/10/2009
- breakfast I'm a Fan of breakfast 8 fans permalink


Torture by the Bush administration is the issue. Whether Pelosi knew or not is not particularly important. Anyone paying any attention at all these past eight years knows that the Democrats were complicit in the crimes of the Bush cabal. The Republicans did it and the Democrats went along with it. That just makes it that much harder to get anyone, Republican or Democrat, to go along with investigations or prosecutions since they are all, with a few exceptions, guilty.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:56 AM on 05/10/2009

simulating torture without risk of injury is not torture, so the whole torure issue is BS anyway, if we lopped off a few heads like our enemies I'd agree with charges, outside of that forget it. Pelosi has no spine, we'll never get the truth from her. I tend to believe the dozen or so seperate sources that substantiate that she either knew or isn't smart enough to represent a turtle.

pollardsmind.com

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:08 PM on 05/09/2009
- Amerigucci I'm a Fan of Amerigucci 11 fans permalink

Actually you're not correct. Mental duress is also included under the definition for torture. And as about 98 detainees were murdered while interrogated, the uproar against the Bush administration is justified.

Lucky for us that you aren't in a position to determine the outcome of the charges.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:55 AM on 05/10/2009
- WowJones I'm a Fan of WowJones 80 fans permalink
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That's why we hung some Japanese soldiers for waterboarding our troops, because it's not torture.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:38 AM on 05/10/2009
- Policon I'm a Fan of Policon 12 fans permalink

Or maybe it was for the other countless crimes the Japanese committed? Saying we hung them for waterboarding is like saying we executed Ted Bundy for sexual harrasment.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:29 AM on 05/10/2009
- Yermammy I'm a Fan of Yermammy 137 fans permalink
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I'm very pleased we have the international Red Cross (instead of you) for our legal opinion of what constitutes torture and what does not. Waterboarding is definitely torture and has been defined by the Geneva Protocols. Ignoring the IRC on recommendations of torture investigations is a breach of the Geneva Conventions in and of itself.
Protecting and apologizing for war crimes isn't very patriotic, to say the least. For shame.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:36 AM on 05/10/2009
- VictoriaP I'm a Fan of VictoriaP 24 fans permalink
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why do people continue to put forth so many contradictory excuses for committing war crimes? Just because you say it isn’t torture doesn’t make it so, DICK.

(remember, torture is torture is torture...)

if one "simulates torture" and it has the same effect as torture, isn't the simulation then torture, by definition, since torture is not dependent upon the perpetrator defining their own actions?

please, someone, help pollard find his/her/it's mind...

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:22 PM on 05/11/2009

well theres hope for some of you yet, while we can agree to disagree on torture, you are at least smart enough not to defend Pelosi.

pollardsmind.com

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:02 PM on 05/14/2009
- water57 I'm a Fan of water57 21 fans permalink

Bad things seem to happend to people when they disagree with President Obama. Nancy was wearing thin when she started to oppose Obama in the very begging of his term, now I don't care what happens to her. Nancy wrongly thought the president would back-down from her demands because she had the backing of the far left anti war crowd. What a contrasting image Nancy represents, one that oppose war but approves of torture.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:00 PM on 05/09/2009
- Yermammy I'm a Fan of Yermammy 137 fans permalink
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What you don't know would fill a swimming pool. Nancy Pelosi does NOT and never will be a representative of the "far left" crowd. Nancy Pelosi took impeachment "off the table" and passed the illegal FISA bill. Nancy vowed to end the war in Iraq (another illegal action prosecuted on lies). Nancy has never been for the "far left".
Ronald Reagan: vengeful, score-settling, Hard Left ideologue
http://www.salon.com/opinion/greenwald/2009/05/01/shifts/index.html
What? You don't like Ronnie Raygun anymore?
"Conservatives"-- hypocrisy is thy middle name.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:43 AM on 05/10/2009
- TaxDayMan I'm a Fan of TaxDayMan 9 fans permalink

What did she know and when did she know it? Bottomline and you all know it congressional Democrats knew and approved waterboarding MEANING NO SHOW TRAILS, SORRY!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:40 PM on 05/09/2009
- McFlipFlop I'm a Fan of McFlipFlop 14 fans permalink
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Waterboarding started before anyone in Congress was briefed. That fact is already out. Keep up.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:36 AM on 05/10/2009
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Bush / Cheney / CIA cherry picked the intel they told Congress leading up to the Iraq War.

Bush / Cheney / CIA cherry picked the intel they told Congress about torture.

Bush / Cheney / CIA tortured, and that is illegal regardless of what they told anybody.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:55 PM on 05/09/2009
- solopico I'm a Fan of solopico 69 fans permalink
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but, but, but Bush... but, but, but Bush...

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:48 PM on 05/09/2009
- McFlipFlop I'm a Fan of McFlipFlop 14 fans permalink
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Hellloooo. Bush has been out of office for 15 weeks, and with the crimes he committed, you better get used to hearing his name for awhile.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:35 AM on 05/10/2009
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Bush and Chenney did keep us safe since 9/11 and now to repay them for this you want to jail them. Only three terrorist were water boarded and according to the CIA it did result in valuable information. Besides these were the same people who planned and killed 3000 Americans on 9/11. These are the same people that behead us when we are captured.
Torture is defined as a technigue that results in physical injury or death. These men do look fine now. John McCain went through torture and still shows the signs. These terrorist will not tell us anything if we only ask them nicely. Wake up America the world is a cruel place and just because we are nice does not mean they will be. They see this as a sign of weakness and will come after us all the more.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:28 PM on 05/09/2009
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Another one who thinks Bush's term began on 9/12.
Another one who can look at a picture and determine that people look fine.

No matter how many, no matter for what reason, torture is illegal.

Either you believe in a Rule of Law, or you don't.

A sign of weakness and cowardice is when one makes excuses to break the law.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:49 PM on 05/09/2009
- TaxDayMan I'm a Fan of TaxDayMan 9 fans permalink

"RULE OF LAW" you really mean "Rule of Liberally approved law"

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:43 PM on 05/09/2009
- TaxDayMan I'm a Fan of TaxDayMan 9 fans permalink

Five "tax cheats" in the administration, "Rule of Law"?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:45 PM on 05/09/2009

this would be the same law as determined by Holder? If I remember right his interpretation of the law allows for a child to have a gun shoved in his face, ripped from his families arms, and deported to Cuba. That certainly took alot of strength and bravery.

pollardsmind.com

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:13 PM on 05/09/2009
- solopico I'm a Fan of solopico 69 fans permalink
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Clinton had 4 - count them 4 - opportunities to capture osama.

He depleted our defenses, both military and intelligence.

Mark my words - Obama is trying to do the same thing, and the same results will come to be.

If not during an Obama administration, we will have another tr@gic event take place - early during the next administration, and just like the events of '01, the next one will be the fault of the Dems.

There is no need for health care if we do not exist. National Security must be our highest priority, always.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:14 PM on 05/09/2009
- warlover I'm a Fan of warlover 4 fans permalink

Thats right, How many times do we have to tell you, waterboarding works, How else were we going to find out Iraq had WMD's if we did'nt waterboard, It took us 183 times but Bush finally got the information he wanted, Iraq had WMD's, Its not Bush's fault that those Al Qaeda lied when we waterboarded them. or that Saddam had already distroyed the WMD's before we got there.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:10 PM on 05/09/2009
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Exactly! Torture is great for getting people to say what you want them to. Anyone who doesn't believe that should just read about all the women who confessed to being witches not to mention all the Jews who agreed to be Baptized during the Inquisition!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:45 PM on 05/09/2009

Yeah; and if we didnt torture these dudes 911 would have never happened.....

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:51 PM on 05/09/2009
- Bompa I'm a Fan of Bompa 7 fans permalink
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They were trying to get someone to say that Sadam and 9-11 were some connected so they would have the justification for their illegal war.
All those two clowns did was create more trrorists with their illegal war, their totture and their lies.
You can put the Bush Cheny cool-aid cup down, their damage has been done and making excuses and rationalizing after the fact are not going to change the facts.
TORTURE DOES NOT WORK!

TORTURE DOES NOT WORK!

It never has, and all it has done is put us in the same league as the other lothsome regimes that have used it in the past.........

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:28 PM on 05/09/2009
- McFlipFlop I'm a Fan of McFlipFlop 14 fans permalink
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What about the people the died from torture? What about the innocent people who were tortured? There are reasons that torture has been outlawed. And if you can't see the moral reasons, perhaps you can understand that it puts our servicemen in danger in the future.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:31 PM on 05/09/2009
- charon I'm a Fan of charon 19 fans permalink

Bush failed to prevent 9/11. He failed to interpret the intelligene correctly on Iraq. He failed to win in Iraq. He failed in Afganistan. He failed to keep the economy strong. He failed again and again and again. Bush is probably the most failed president in American history.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:22 PM on 05/09/2009
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This is what this sounds like to me:

" I knew what I was doing was wrong, but my mommy knew I was doing it, so it must have been ok, so there. Nyah nyah'.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:28 PM on 05/09/2009
- Oonagh I'm a Fan of Oonagh 30 fans permalink

Porter Goss got kicked out but before doing so he had put all of his men in positions in the CIA.. so I would not trust anyone who was employed by him and thereafter.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:23 PM on 05/09/2009
- dems08 I'm a Fan of dems08 173 fans permalink
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Proof from the cia?

from the bush cabal?

from the pub liars?

No one trusts these bustards!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:31 PM on 05/09/2009
- kimleehan I'm a Fan of kimleehan 30 fans permalink

So who gets prosecuted for war crimes when prosecutions accure, The head of state, his administration, congress, the law makers ( judges, lawyers,) the military. law inforcement, Who ?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:02 PM on 05/09/2009
- smchp I'm a Fan of smchp 75 fans permalink
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Cheney!

Next question.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:34 PM on 05/09/2009
- kimleehan I'm a Fan of kimleehan 30 fans permalink

Just Cheney, Not Bush, Rumsfeld, Gonzales, Yoo, Bybee, just Cheney.?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:57 PM on 05/09/2009
- Oonagh I'm a Fan of Oonagh 30 fans permalink

Bush, Cheney, Rumsfeld, for starters

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:27 PM on 05/09/2009
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