Obama And Industry Groups To Propose $2 Trillion In Health Care Savings

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First Posted: 05-10-09 09:00 PM   |   Updated: 05-10-09 11:12 PM

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In conjunction with the White House, a host of trade associations, pharmaceutical groups and other stakeholders in the health care debate are set to announce a major effort to streamline the nation's health care system that could save more than $2 trillion over the next decade.

On Monday representatives of the American Hospital Association, the American Medical Association; PhRMA; AdvaMed; America's Health Insurance Plans, the SEIU, and the Greater New York Hospital Association and the California Hospital Association will make what White House officials and industry insiders describe as a major announcement on the health care reform front. The coalition of somewhat strange-bedfellows, comprising some of the sharpest opponents of reform in the past, is targeting specific administrative changes to drastically reduce the rate of growth in health care spending. All told, the goal will be to reduce the money spent on health care by 1.5 percentage points each year over the next ten years.

"We cannot continue down the same dangerous road we've been traveling for so many years, with costs that are out of control, because reform is not a luxury that can be postponed, but a necessity that cannot wait," President Obama will say, according to excerpts of his remarks released in advance by the White House.

On a Sunday conference call, senior administration officials hailed the effort as "a game changer" in the health care debate. "I don't think there can be a more significant step to helping struggling families and to help the federal budget," said one aide. "It just makes it even clearer than ever that health reform is going to happen this year in the Congress," added another.

The effort, which those familiar with the plan say will aim for greater care coordination, lower administrative costs and the bundling of payments among health care providers and recipients, could result in a three percent reduction of gross domestic product by the year 2019. That year alone, the industry could save $700 billion. On a more personal level, White House aides project that after five years a family of four could be saving $2,500 a year.

There are, however, many questions left unanswered about how such a system could work. The effort, details of which will be offered on Monday, does not contain an obvious enforcement mechanism or penalty for groups that do not follow through on their promises.

On Sunday's call, White House aides downplayed this absence, saying that a "personal commitment to the President of the United States" carries significant weight and offering up the press as a watchdog.

"A big enforcement mechanism is going to be, frankly, all of you," said a senior official. "Because to make a public commitment and then not make good on it is something that, I think, none of these groups will want to go through."

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Several health care reform advocates, in subsequent conversations with the Huffington Post, said that without a tool to "regulate the insurance companies" the plan sounded a "bit naive." Lowering administrative costs, they added, was a noble objective that made political and economic sense. "But there is a reason none of these groups have done this already."

Pressed on this matter, White House aides stressed that the current climate is creating a new set of demands, one which would compel these groups to follow through on their word.

"I think they want to be on board with the President," said one of the senior officials. "They recognize, as they put it to me, that everybody must share responsibility as we reform the health care system. And they want to get everybody covered."

If, in fact, the collaborative effort is seen to its conclusion, the results could be enormous, the official added. Simply streamlining the payments process and care efforts in the Medicare program could save a projected $20 billion. Implementing such reforms over the private market would mean "virtually eliminat[ing] the nation's long-term fiscal gap." In short, industry costs would still be rising but by far less.

"The popular discussion that's [taken up] most of the time about our long-term fiscal problem has focused on Social Security and other related topics," said the senior White House official. "While those are important, this by an order of magnitude is far more important to the fiscal trajectory that we're on, especially over the long term, than anything else that could be done."

How such an effort came into being was another source of intrigue for reporters on the Sunday call. White House aides would say only that SEIU's Healthcare Chair Dennis Rivera was the first to propose bringing together the stakeholders in the health care industry to figure out ways to cut the fat from the system. It was also acknowledged that Karen Ignagni, president and CEO of America's Health Insurance Plans, had a similar idea at the President's health care summit in early March.

That occasional health care reform foes could come together is a reflection of just how influential and wide-reaching the industry crisis has become. It also underscores just how tenuous a larger reform effort could be. White House officials insisted that no deals - specifically on whether to include a public plan for health insurance coverage - were offered in order to get these groups together. They also stressed that if these efforts at eliminating administrative costs were to be successful it would require broader reforms of the overall system.

"Many of the steps that they may need to take would be dependent on getting health care reform done," said a senior aide. "If we change the financial incentives facing providers under Medicare and Medicaid that could also help to drive changes in the private market."


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http://www.1payer.net/
(Taken from the 1payer site)
March in DC May 13
Join the California Nurses and single payer activists from around the country in Washington on May 13. In the morning, Mike Farrell will introduce our TV ads to the press. At noon, we will march from the Washington Court Hotel a few blocks to the Upper Senate Park.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:04 PM on 05/11/2009
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If we cut back to only 50 Senators, then the Insurance industry and banking industry and pharmaceutical industries would only have half as many people to bribe, and that cut costs right there...

Especially since these industries all write their own legislation for anything that effects them we don't need 50 Senators anymore anyway...

Let them flip a coin to see who stays, and who has to go home and get a real job..!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:52 PM on 05/11/2009
- lornejl I'm a Fan of lornejl 654 fans permalink
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We probably shouldn't take away the health care plans that a great majority are happy with.

Don't quite understand how that argument is RIGHT. It's just a very far left talking point.

How does single payer take away your plan ?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:51 PM on 05/11/2009
- williamg I'm a Fan of williamg 251 fans permalink
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Single payer with no option does exactly that: Government mandated Medicare for all. This is a good option in the long run. But with the great majority of people happy with their employee based health care, it's politically impossible.

Then there's Single payer with a PUBLIC OPTION (what I support) which allows you to keep the plan you currently have, or you can opt for the public option (single payer medicare).


Some people like to have insurance that covers everything including plastic surgery (hair implants, gastrobypass etc). We shouldn't tell them that they have to give that up and sign up for Medicare. We should give them the option to pay for these gold standard plans with their own money. Public option WILL drive down their premiums.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:02 PM on 05/11/2009
- Bronxdude I'm a Fan of Bronxdude 365 fans permalink

I want the same health insurance members of Congress enjoy. I work for the State of Georgia and the health insurance I pay for is the absolute pits! Prisoners in my state receive better healthcare than I do.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:07 PM on 05/11/2009
- lysistrata I'm a Fan of lysistrata 21 fans permalink

These things could be covered with supplemental insurance paid out of pocket, that is good enough for treatment by a society Dr.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:16 PM on 05/11/2009
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What health insurance company covers elective surgery?????

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:14 PM on 05/11/2009
- lysistrata I'm a Fan of lysistrata 21 fans permalink

Where is the great majority happy with their present plan? 50 million with no insurance is more than 15% of people, all the people I know don't like the high premiums, deductibles, the restrictions on treatment, choice of physicians, co-payments , no insurance with a job loss or pre existing conditions, waiting for a new insurance to become effective after some time of employment, lack of dental and vision care and more. To make sure the private insurers would have a level playing field single payer would have to be equally expensive and restrictive. only wealthy or stupid people would stay with the private system. We should get the best single payer can be and to hell with the private sector, they don't care about us either.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:11 PM on 05/11/2009
- lornejl I'm a Fan of lornejl 654 fans permalink
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I don't like so called dems like williamg, a Ray-Gun dem if I ever saw one.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:48 PM on 05/11/2009
- williamg I'm a Fan of williamg 251 fans permalink
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Oh well, Lornejl.

I do enjoy you. I've been called everything from a Reagan Democrat, NeoC0n, Liberal etc from time to time.

Hume accuses me of agreeing with Obama too much. Not sure what I'm supposed to disagree with Obama on except for cramdown and drivers licenses for illegal aliens. Maybe for supporting cap and trade over a tax cut.

But any way, I do like your comments lornejl.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:51 PM on 05/11/2009
- lornejl I'm a Fan of lornejl 654 fans permalink
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Don't be nice, I'm a sucker for that.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:52 PM on 05/11/2009
- williamg I'm a Fan of williamg 251 fans permalink
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Maybe for supporting cap and trade over a CARBON tax.

I like the carbon tax as opposed to cap and trade, but that's kinda minor.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:53 PM on 05/11/2009

Bring back Edwards. Stop trying to kill him off like they did Spitzer (he was getting ready to go after the Mortgage Industry and Wallstreet), Kucinitch, Sanders, and anyone else with some platform.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:44 PM on 05/11/2009
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some healthcare dollar savings: eliminate salaries like the $ 342,000,000 bill mcguire took from united health group, 92,100,000 howard solomon at forest labs, 77,900,000 ed crawford at caremark, or miles white at abbott lab 26,200,000 - cigna's ed hanway could send back the 30,000,000 he took home in a year, and ron williams could send the gov't the 23,000,000 aetna paid him a while back - even poor guy bill van frasen at blue cross of ma could chip in his 16,000,000 - every little bit counts - it might catch on - then we wouldn't have to ask patients to pay more in premiums, physicians and hospitals to accept lower reimbursement for their hard work - hey, maybe we could afford preventive care for EVERYONE - what an idea!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:42 PM on 05/11/2009

All of that would save enough money to buy every American a box of bandages! I feel healthier already!!!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:50 PM on 05/11/2009
- HumeSkeptic I'm a Fan of HumeSkeptic 1633 fans permalink
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williamg just accused me of being "invested" in the cause of single payer healthcare. That means that I am dedicated to this issue, which is totally unacceptable behavior , I know.

I should just follow what Obama says on this issue. And apologize for being devoted to a cause.

I must leave now, williamg. But thanks for straightening me out.
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    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:35 PM on 05/11/2009
- williamg I'm a Fan of williamg 251 fans permalink
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Sigh....

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:38 PM on 05/11/2009
- pfrogger I'm a Fan of pfrogger 61 fans permalink

oye!!!

everybody calm down.
it seems you guys are arguing over semantics. that "I said, he said" stuff is pointless.
let's discuss the merits, the pros and cons, and lets do it rationally and sensibly.

now I suggest a reset. both sides chill, and let's move onto something productive.
how about it?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:42 PM on 05/11/2009
- HumeSkeptic I'm a Fan of HumeSkeptic 1633 fans permalink
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Nope. Not semantics at all. There is a fundamental difference. Read earlier posts.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:43 PM on 05/11/2009
- williamg I'm a Fan of williamg 251 fans permalink
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Sounds good to me!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:45 PM on 05/11/2009
- theMightyT I'm a Fan of theMightyT 176 fans permalink

i want to hear what the ex-con tweaker has to say.

Where's bbburl with his profound insights into health care? Ex-cons have the big picture. They know what's REALLY going down.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:32 PM on 05/11/2009
- marinade I'm a Fan of marinade 48 fans permalink

Is anyone else feeling like the Obama administration is being a little patronizing?

They are trying to convince us that we are getting a super dooper great deal because the insurance companies are promising that health insurance costs aren't going to go up as fast as they have previously.

Maybe the administration is trying to find out how stupid the American people are. We fell for Bush's claim that Saddam Hussein had WMD. Maybe we'll fall for this "game-changer" and believe that it is meaningful health care reform.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:31 PM on 05/11/2009
- lornejl I'm a Fan of lornejl 654 fans permalink
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We should be represented by polls
We shouldn't be represented by polls.
We should sometimes be represented by poll and other times not.
I'm not clear on the polls issue, maybe we should go by what is right and what is freaking wrong.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:29 PM on 05/11/2009
- HumeSkeptic I'm a Fan of HumeSkeptic 1633 fans permalink
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Or just follow Obama. That is the "perfect" way.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:36 PM on 05/11/2009
- williamg I'm a Fan of williamg 251 fans permalink
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We probably shouldn't take away the health care plans that a great majority are happy with.

Don't quite understand how that argument is RIGHT. It's just a very far left talking point.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:40 PM on 05/11/2009
- pfrogger I'm a Fan of pfrogger 61 fans permalink

bingo! what's right is whatever favors the people, not big business.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:43 PM on 05/11/2009
- lornejl I'm a Fan of lornejl 654 fans permalink
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Big Money will prevail, it always does. They have an insurance policy of their own, Congress.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:27 PM on 05/11/2009
- Bronxdude I'm a Fan of Bronxdude 365 fans permalink

The average American can't combat the money that lobbyists throw around Washington to influence how Congress responds to want the health insurance companies want. Level the playing field: remove lobbyists from the equation.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:23 PM on 05/11/2009
- HumeSkeptic I'm a Fan of HumeSkeptic 1633 fans permalink
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williamg just accused me of agreeing with Kucinich on healthcare. That ev!l man.
And how can any of my arguments be valid, or data relevant, when an ev!l doer like Kucinich agrees with those.

I see Limbaugh and Ha-nn-ity tactics of argument is catching on even among "liberals".

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:26 PM on 05/11/2009
- williamg I'm a Fan of williamg 251 fans permalink
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Sigh...... Hume is so invested.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:29 PM on 05/11/2009
- HumeSkeptic I'm a Fan of HumeSkeptic 1633 fans permalink
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That must be a very bad thing. No one should be invested or dedicated to any cause.
Thank you for setting me right, williamg.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:30 PM on 05/11/2009
- williamg I'm a Fan of williamg 251 fans permalink
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Is this the point I'm supposed to get dramatic and pretend to be outraged -- OUTRAGED -- that Hume compared to me to Limbaugh and Hann.ity?

No. That would be silly. I'll leave that to Hume.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:32 PM on 05/11/2009
- lthuedk 1 I'm a Fan of lthuedk 1 64 fans permalink
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I've begun work on the Obama Cop Out to Corporate theme as there's nothing that points toward a solution that protects the People on several fronts. So far, it's Corporate 4, the People 0. It's a one-way street leading away from Peopletown to Corporatetown.

What exactly is the President going to do about it? So far, the banks get our money and we get stiffed without a thank you. Now, Big Insurance and Big Pharm want a deal with no strings attached as well, offering up a good behavior solution for an inherently flawed system that clearly cannot police itself. They can't be serious.

What are they doing in our government bribing like it's free of penalty, anyway? Why are they welcomed to the table when clearly they are the last entities that should be trusted? Where is the change when the same greedy players want to remain in place?

Add the compromise on health care to the bank theft, the permanent Middle East occupation, and the apparent felonious negligence on the matter of torture, and the President will receive exactly what he has earned: A single term. As a Constitutionalist, Obama either plays the Founder's game or no game at all. This is not a time to compromise with the forces that brought this nation to it's knees.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:23 PM on 05/11/2009
- HumeSkeptic I'm a Fan of HumeSkeptic 1633 fans permalink
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I was devastated when williamg told me that no one agrees with me for wanting a single payer, government run healthcare system.

I was about to go into a depression, but the I came across these:
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"But the number of Americans who share some classic Democratic concerns has risen. Three-quarters of the population is worried about growing income inequality, Pew found, while two-thirds favor government-funded health care for all. Support for a government safety net for the poor is at its highest level since 1987, Pew said."

-from Bad For Business: Execs And Managers Bolting GOP
The Wall Street Journal | JA-CK-IE C-AL-ME-S | October 1, 2007 09:33 PM

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB119127620102645595.html?mod=rss_whats_news_us

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB119127620102645595.html
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Annals of Internal Medicine, Study of Physician Support of National Health Insurance. (Includes a comparison of 2002 and 2007 surveys.)

"...59 percent of them 'support government legislation to establish national health insurance,' while 32 percent oppose it and 9 percent are neutral."


http://www.wpasinglepayer.org/PollResults.html

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:17 PM on 05/11/2009
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"59 percent of them 'support government legislation to establish national health insurance"


Earth to Hume: "PUBLIC OPTION" includes national health insurance.


Get with it.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:19 PM on 05/11/2009
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National health insurance is nationalized health insurance, Mr. Earth.
(Are you now known as Earth now, wiliamg?)

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:29 PM on 05/11/2009
- adey I'm a Fan of adey 228 fans permalink
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Has anyone ever addessed the fact that the insurance companies have their hands in EVERY part of health care? They get money from us to be insured. They get malpractice insurance from the MDs. We can't sue the insurance companies when they deny us care, so they keep all the money from our premiums and don't have to pay out. The ony recourse is to sue the MDS. Then they raise malpractice insurance based on the filing of the suit--but don't pay out.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:09 PM on 05/11/2009
- lornejl I'm a Fan of lornejl 654 fans permalink
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They have an army of claims deniers, there sole purpose is to find a way to deny coverage.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:11 PM on 05/11/2009
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That's not right.

Thank you for the info.;-p}

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:12 PM on 05/11/2009
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My dad was a doctor. He was appalled at how much power the insurers had even in the 70's.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:18 PM on 05/11/2009
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