Obama And Industry Groups To Propose $2 Trillion In Health Care Savings

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First Posted: 05-10-09 09:00 PM   |   Updated: 05-10-09 11:12 PM

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In conjunction with the White House, a host of trade associations, pharmaceutical groups and other stakeholders in the health care debate are set to announce a major effort to streamline the nation's health care system that could save more than $2 trillion over the next decade.

On Monday representatives of the American Hospital Association, the American Medical Association; PhRMA; AdvaMed; America's Health Insurance Plans, the SEIU, and the Greater New York Hospital Association and the California Hospital Association will make what White House officials and industry insiders describe as a major announcement on the health care reform front. The coalition of somewhat strange-bedfellows, comprising some of the sharpest opponents of reform in the past, is targeting specific administrative changes to drastically reduce the rate of growth in health care spending. All told, the goal will be to reduce the money spent on health care by 1.5 percentage points each year over the next ten years.

"We cannot continue down the same dangerous road we've been traveling for so many years, with costs that are out of control, because reform is not a luxury that can be postponed, but a necessity that cannot wait," President Obama will say, according to excerpts of his remarks released in advance by the White House.

On a Sunday conference call, senior administration officials hailed the effort as "a game changer" in the health care debate. "I don't think there can be a more significant step to helping struggling families and to help the federal budget," said one aide. "It just makes it even clearer than ever that health reform is going to happen this year in the Congress," added another.

The effort, which those familiar with the plan say will aim for greater care coordination, lower administrative costs and the bundling of payments among health care providers and recipients, could result in a three percent reduction of gross domestic product by the year 2019. That year alone, the industry could save $700 billion. On a more personal level, White House aides project that after five years a family of four could be saving $2,500 a year.

There are, however, many questions left unanswered about how such a system could work. The effort, details of which will be offered on Monday, does not contain an obvious enforcement mechanism or penalty for groups that do not follow through on their promises.

On Sunday's call, White House aides downplayed this absence, saying that a "personal commitment to the President of the United States" carries significant weight and offering up the press as a watchdog.

"A big enforcement mechanism is going to be, frankly, all of you," said a senior official. "Because to make a public commitment and then not make good on it is something that, I think, none of these groups will want to go through."

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Several health care reform advocates, in subsequent conversations with the Huffington Post, said that without a tool to "regulate the insurance companies" the plan sounded a "bit naive." Lowering administrative costs, they added, was a noble objective that made political and economic sense. "But there is a reason none of these groups have done this already."

Pressed on this matter, White House aides stressed that the current climate is creating a new set of demands, one which would compel these groups to follow through on their word.

"I think they want to be on board with the President," said one of the senior officials. "They recognize, as they put it to me, that everybody must share responsibility as we reform the health care system. And they want to get everybody covered."

If, in fact, the collaborative effort is seen to its conclusion, the results could be enormous, the official added. Simply streamlining the payments process and care efforts in the Medicare program could save a projected $20 billion. Implementing such reforms over the private market would mean "virtually eliminat[ing] the nation's long-term fiscal gap." In short, industry costs would still be rising but by far less.

"The popular discussion that's [taken up] most of the time about our long-term fiscal problem has focused on Social Security and other related topics," said the senior White House official. "While those are important, this by an order of magnitude is far more important to the fiscal trajectory that we're on, especially over the long term, than anything else that could be done."

How such an effort came into being was another source of intrigue for reporters on the Sunday call. White House aides would say only that SEIU's Healthcare Chair Dennis Rivera was the first to propose bringing together the stakeholders in the health care industry to figure out ways to cut the fat from the system. It was also acknowledged that Karen Ignagni, president and CEO of America's Health Insurance Plans, had a similar idea at the President's health care summit in early March.

That occasional health care reform foes could come together is a reflection of just how influential and wide-reaching the industry crisis has become. It also underscores just how tenuous a larger reform effort could be. White House officials insisted that no deals - specifically on whether to include a public plan for health insurance coverage - were offered in order to get these groups together. They also stressed that if these efforts at eliminating administrative costs were to be successful it would require broader reforms of the overall system.

"Many of the steps that they may need to take would be dependent on getting health care reform done," said a senior aide. "If we change the financial incentives facing providers under Medicare and Medicaid that could also help to drive changes in the private market."


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- lornejl I'm a Fan of lornejl 661 fans permalink
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Some right wing children that post here offer very little constructive dialogue.

In fact, none of them do. Maybe that's why their member is shrinking.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:07 PM on 05/11/2009
- HumeSkeptic I'm a Fan of HumeSkeptic 1654 fans permalink
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I choose to write a long list of people who support Obama's plan, and a short list of those who oppose it.

That gets me out of looking at facts and deciding what makes most sense.

Isn't that a great trick that I learnt from wiliamg?

I like it. Why would I ever want to think about anything? Just make those lists, and make one shorter than the other.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:04 PM on 05/11/2009
- williamg I'm a Fan of williamg 251 fans permalink
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Facts? Hume, no one agrees with you.

Your plan is a non-starter. No matter how invested you and Dennis are in single payer with no public option, it's not even gonna get a hearing.

Go protest or something. No one else is advocating it. Just you and Dennis.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:06 PM on 05/11/2009
- HumeSkeptic I'm a Fan of HumeSkeptic 1654 fans permalink
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I don't have a plan. So, it is neither a starter nor a non-starter.
I do have an opinion which seems to bother you because it differs from President Obama's on this issue.

You said "Facts?", then said that no one agrees with me. Can you back that up please, with one of your polls that you copy and paste all the time?

Thank you.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:10 PM on 05/11/2009

And me.....and a coalition of numerous groups representing thousands of people.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:11 PM on 05/11/2009
- TJCole I'm a Fan of TJCole 185 fans permalink
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Of course the Insurance companies were gonna write this legislation for America, we don't have any real legislators anymore, I think we outsourced them..or something like that...

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:02 PM on 05/11/2009
- jadeba I'm a Fan of jadeba 41 fans permalink

Just got an email from Democracy for America - 7 senators including McCaskill (D- MO) and Menendez (D-NJ) have now said they'll support a public health care option. B. Nelson (D - NE) and Specter (D - PA) have said they won't. It's time to write them and convince them it would be unwise to try to block the public option!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:58 AM on 05/11/2009
- Heavy I'm a Fan of Heavy 245 fans permalink
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Yes

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:01 PM on 05/11/2009
- HumeSkeptic I'm a Fan of HumeSkeptic 1654 fans permalink
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When Krugman and MoveOn agree with Obama, they are right. When they disagree with him, they are bad and totally wrong.

I think I'm getting the hang of it now, williamg.
Thanks.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:54 AM on 05/11/2009
- williamg I'm a Fan of williamg 251 fans permalink
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Hume, I think most grownups can agree that we can agree on some things and not on others. I agree with moveon.org except when I disagree.

I agree with Krugman except when I disagree.

And obviously I agree with you except for when I disagree.

I disagreed with Hillary Clinton during the primaries, but that doesn't mean I can't agree with her on things now.

Adults are capable of doing these things.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:03 PM on 05/11/2009
- HumeSkeptic I'm a Fan of HumeSkeptic 1654 fans permalink
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But, perhaps coincidentally, in all cases you agree with whatever Obama might have proposed.

Your disagreement with others seems to be based on whether they agree or disagree with Obama.

I like your simple and easy decision making process.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:07 PM on 05/11/2009
- lornejl I'm a Fan of lornejl 661 fans permalink
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I pay my medical insurance company so they can tell me what group I can belong to, what doctor I can see , and what illness they will cover. They know I can't be trusted so they watch me like a hawk.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:51 AM on 05/11/2009
- T0L2 I'm a Fan of T0L2 4 fans permalink

Try a Rug Doctor.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:54 AM on 05/11/2009
- adey I'm a Fan of adey 228 fans permalink
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They know that, without supervision, you'd get treatment every time you got sick. And that your doctor, left to his own judgement, would think he knew how to treat you.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:54 AM on 05/11/2009
- Heavy I'm a Fan of Heavy 245 fans permalink
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Preventative medicine. What a concept. Too brainy for the pugs.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:57 AM on 05/11/2009
- lornejl I'm a Fan of lornejl 661 fans permalink
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Cute kitty , yours ?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:02 PM on 05/11/2009
- Heavy I'm a Fan of Heavy 245 fans permalink
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While the righties whine about limiting our choices. The irony.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:54 AM on 05/11/2009
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T0L2 is on a little flagging spree.

I ask all my friends to flag his every post.

Thank you.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:49 AM on 05/11/2009
- T0L2 I'm a Fan of T0L2 4 fans permalink

Oh please do. Logout and do it twice.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:51 AM on 05/11/2009
- williamg I'm a Fan of williamg 251 fans permalink
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People who support Public Option:

Barack Obama
Hillary Clinton
Dr Howard Dean
John Edwards (who created the idea)
Paul Krugman (Obama's most vocal critic on Obama's health care on the left)
Robert Reich
Be.rnie Sande.rs.
Moveon.org


People who support single payer with no option:

Dennis Kucinich
HumeSkeptic

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:48 AM on 05/11/2009
- HumeSkeptic I'm a Fan of HumeSkeptic 1654 fans permalink
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70% of Americans supported going to war with Iraq. And the majority in Congress supported it
They must have been right, per your logic.

Great going, williamg.

I see what your criteria are in deciding what is right and what is wrong. Great going.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:57 AM on 05/11/2009
- williamg I'm a Fan of williamg 251 fans permalink
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Hume, if you can't expand beyond Dennis Kucinich on this issue, do you really believe it's credible?

Really?

There's gotta be someone else out there!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:59 AM on 05/11/2009
- HumeSkeptic I'm a Fan of HumeSkeptic 1654 fans permalink
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MoveOn says that Obama's healthcare plan is good. MoveOn is great.
MoveOn says that Obama's position on FISA was wrong. MoveOn is a buch of Left Wing loonies.

Got it.

Thanks, williamg.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:47 AM on 05/11/2009
- williamg I'm a Fan of williamg 251 fans permalink
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Oh God, Hume, you're getting silly.

Just face facts: what you are advocating NO ONE is taking seriously. Not in the White House. Not in the House. Not in the Senate. It ain't gonna happen.

So what does that say about your position?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:54 AM on 05/11/2009
- cubs325 I'm a Fan of cubs325 16 fans permalink

open question to anyone, "What do the insurances companies bring to healthcare - access, quality of services, quality of care, lower cost?" - IMHO, none of the above - then WHY would we tolerate them - we would not tolerate any other business that gave us so little for our money - they are a scam on all of us.

They take our money, tell us they are doing something good for us, restrict our access to care, deny services, etc

they are nothing more than money launders

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:46 AM on 05/11/2009
- lornejl I'm a Fan of lornejl 661 fans permalink
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It's a fact, not an opinion, you have it exactly right.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:47 AM on 05/11/2009
- Peter007 I'm a Fan of Peter007 37 fans permalink
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Easy solution. Don't buy health insurance.
Do you think we need a law that REQUIRES everyone to buy health insurance?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:49 AM on 05/11/2009
- Heavy I'm a Fan of Heavy 245 fans permalink
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That is not a solution. But you knew that.

The medical directors of the insurance companies have admittedly received bonuses for the number of claims they deny. They provide no real service. Figure it out.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:52 AM on 05/11/2009
- joebloe I'm a Fan of joebloe 38 fans permalink
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Which is why I think a public option would be great. If the price is lower(duh, considering their overhead) I see the unions being some of the first to join up. This will put the onus on more expensive Private insurance companies to provide better policies or cheaper prices. All prices would come down as a result.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:51 AM on 05/11/2009
- bajamary I'm a Fan of bajamary 3 fans permalink
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It seems to me that providing one sector of the taxpayer's public employees a low cost single payer medical health insurance, while at the same time not even offering this same single payer health insurance is might be unconstitutional.

Are there any legal scholars who agree with this?

If there are, I suggest that there be a Class Action law suite to make this public employee health insurance available to all American citizens.

After all, what's good for the goose (the Congress, the President and Executive & Judicial branch etc.) is good for The People who now pay for the Single Payer coverage of the public employees.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:45 AM on 05/11/2009
- HumeSkeptic I'm a Fan of HumeSkeptic 1654 fans permalink
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Krugman says that Obama's healthcare plan is good. Krugman is a genius.
Krugman says that Obama's bank rescue plan is bad. Krugman is an !diot.

Got it.

Thanks, williamg.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:44 AM on 05/11/2009
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Krugman is Obama most vocal critic on health care.

Even he agrees with Obama on this.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:45 AM on 05/11/2009
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Krugman is Obama most vocal critic on health care.
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A critic who endorses his plan?

Wow!

So, what do you call those who are critical of Obama's plan?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:49 AM on 05/11/2009

How about the promise from last year...

The Obama Health Care Plan: Offers health care coverage for all Americans similar to that of members of Congress, and subsidies to help those who cannot afford it.
Reduces insurance costs more than Hillary's plan, including capping insurance company profits in places where they have taken advantage of people.
Saves the typical family up to $2,500 per year.
Read the entire plan at BarackObama.com.

So.. now it may take 5 years to possibly save up to $2,500 per year. I did not see any mention of lowering current costs nor a subsidy for those who cannot afford the coverage. A year ago we had 47 million uninsured. For every 1 percent rise in unemployment we should have an additional 1.1 million uninsured. Since the unemployment is nearly 4% higher than it was in January 2008, we should have at least 51 million uninsured. If we are in a "crisis" where people cannot afford coverage, how are we going to lower the number of uninsured without a cost reduction or subsidy?

"We cannot continue down the same dangerous road we've been traveling for so many years, with costs that are out of control, because reform is not a luxury that can be postponed, but a necessity that cannot wait," President Obama

I agree... now please show us YOUR plan that will actually work to fix this problem. Please work on true health care reform.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:42 AM on 05/11/2009
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There needs to be a national discussion to determine who will get the health care dollars. Will all get less access in order to cover more people? We can't afford for the government to replicate our current private coverage for all Americans because frankly it just costs too much. I guess we will be like England or Canada where people won't have access to the latest tests and have to wait to see a physician. People who can afford it will buy additional coverage so they can keep their current access to care.

Many companies will drop their health coverage if a national solution is available. Those under the new plan are not going to be happy when they have to wait to see a physician or have to go through tons of hoops before seeing a specialist. Will seniors get covered under this plan...will this plan limit end of life coverage and the demands of some families for extraordinary care at the end of life.

A big push on this plan is going to be to shift dollars to primary care doctors and away from specialists. The big problem with this is that our current medical model is very high tech. We no longer live in the horse and buggy days where the family doc gave you a pill and hoped for the best. Now physicians want to make decisions with full information and unfortunately that information comes at a cost.

Time for a national debate.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:58 AM on 05/11/2009
- brklynivn I'm a Fan of brklynivn 18 fans permalink

How about making insurance companies non-profit entities?

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Isn't in.cest illegal???????

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flagged ra cism

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flagged st.up.id.ity

that would be incest, not r.a.c.ism. Not to mention, bbburl's a white expat tweaker living in Canada, pretending (when convenient) that he's bl.ack.

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flagged for cluelessness

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I'm trying to think what industry groups have done for us lately,I know what they have done for themselves.

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Rug companies are highly profitable.

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