John Demjanjuk Now In German Prison

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ROLAND LOSCH and MELISSA EDDY | May 12, 2009 06:07 PM EST | AP

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A man believed to be suspected Nazi death camp guard John Demjanjuk is seen inside an ambulance car as it arrives in front of the Stadelheim prison in Munich, southern Germany, on Tuesday, May 12, 2009. The Ukrainian-born Demjanjuk on Tuesday arrived in Germany where faces a warrant accusing him of being accessory to the murder of 29,000 Jews and others at Sobibor. The retired Ohio autoworker was deported from the United States and arrived Tuesday morning on a private jet at Munich's airport. (AP Photo/Uwe Lein)

MUNICH — Sitting in a wheelchair and breathing through a nasal tube, retired auto worker John Demjanjuk listened silently Tuesday as a German judge read a 21-page warrant accusing him of acting as an accessory to the murder of 29,000 people at a Nazi death camp.

Prosecutors in Munich made clear they hope to press ahead quickly with the case against the 89-year-old, saying after the longtime Ohio resident arrived in Germany that formal charges could be filed within weeks.

Demjanjuk said nothing as an interpreter translated the warrant into his native Ukrainian, his lawyer Guenther Maull told reporters afterward.

"He understood what was being read to him," said Maull, who immediately filed a challenge against the warrant, arguing the evidence was not solid and Germany's jurisdiction questionable.

Demjanjuk says he was a Red Army soldier who spent World War II as a Nazi POW and never hurt anyone.

But Nazi-era documents obtained by U.S. justice authorities and shared with German prosecutors include a photo ID identifying Demjanjuk as a guard at the Sobibor death camp and saying he was trained at an SS facility for Nazi guards at Trawniki. Both sites were in Nazi-occupied Poland.

Efforts to prosecute Demjanjuk began in 1977 and have involved courts and government officials from at least five countries on three continents.

Sobibor survivor Samuel Lerer, who was 16 when he arrived at the camp in the spring of 1942, welcomed Demjanjuk's deportation.

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"My sense of justice is that he go on trial," Lerer told The Associated Press from his Greenbriar, New Jersey home.

"This is about being an accessory to murder in 29,000 cases. That is an accusation of monstrous crimes. At all times, we owe it the victims to clear it up," Bavaria's state justice minister, Beate Merk, said. "Above all in Germany, we have a very special responsibility."

Charges of accessory to murder carry a maximum sentence of up to 15 years in prison in Germany.

Prosecutors said formally pressing charges could happen "within a few weeks" providing "no exonerating arguments are made." That would be fast, as it can take months under Germany's justice system for charges to be pressed.

A key step lies ahead: determining whether Demjanjuk is fit to stand trial. Demjanjuk's son, John Demjanjuk Jr., said Monday his father is dying of leukemic bone marrow disease and claimed he would not survive a trans-Atlantic flight.

Dramatic photos last month showed Demjanjuk (pronounced dem-YAHN'-yuk) wincing in apparent pain as he was removed by immigration agents from his home in Seven Hills, Ohio, during an earlier attempt to deport him to Germany. However, images taken only days earlier and released by the U.S. government showed him entering his car unaided.

Anton Winkler, a spokesman for Munich prosecutors, said they had called for an expert opinion. He said it could take up to two weeks for that determination to be made, because a doctor would have to examine Demjanjuk and observe him over time.

He indicated that Demjanjuk's health was satisfactory on arrival, according to a doctor who examined him. Demjanjuk understood what was being said to him and answered "yes" and "no" in German, Winkler said.

Merk said despite health concerns, the issue centered on justice.

"Murder does not fall under the statute of limitations, regardless of the perpetrator's age," she said. "If the accusations are true, a conviction and punishment are indispensable."

Earlier Tuesday, Demjanjuk _ stripped of his citizenship by a U.S. court in 2002 _ arrived in Munich from Cleveland aboard a private jet that taxied directly into a hangar. Munich prosecutors said he slept for most of the trans-Atlantic flight.

From the airport, he rode in a police-escorted ambulance to a special medical unit at Stadelheim prison, where Adolf Hitler spent several weeks in 1922 after being arrested.

The deportation came four days after the U.S. Supreme Court refused to consider Demjanjuk's request to block deportation.

Among the documents obtained by the Munich prosecutors is an SS identity card that features a photo of a young, round-faced Demjanjuk along with his height and weight, and says he worked at Sobibor.

German prosecutors also have a transfer roster for Sobibor that lists Demjanjuk by name and birthday and puts him at the camp, and statements from former guards who remembered him being there.

The U.S. Justice Department first moved to revoke Demjanjuk's U.S. citizenship in 1977, alleging he hid his past as a Nazi death camp guard.

Demjanjuk was tried in Israel after accusations surfaced that he was the notorious "Ivan the Terrible" at the Treblinka death camp in Poland. He was found guilty in 1988 of war crimes and crimes against humanity but the conviction was overturned by the Israeli Supreme Court.

That decision came after Israel won access to Soviet archives, which had depositions given after the war by 37 Treblinka guards and forced laborers who said "Ivan" was a different Ukrainian named Ivan Marchenko.

However, a U.S. judge revoked Demjanjuk's citizenship in again in 2002 based on fresh Justice Department evidence showing he concealed his service at Sobibor and other Nazi-run death and forced-labor camps from immigration officials.

A U.S. immigration judge ruled in 2005 he could be deported to Germany, Poland or Ukraine. Munich prosecutors issued an arrest warrant for him in March.

Bringing alleged Nazi war criminals to trial more than six decades since the end of World War II is proving increasingly difficult: Many witnesses are dead or ailing, and time has clouded memory.

"It is a race against time," Charlotte Knobloch, a Holocaust survivor and Germany's main Jewish leader, said in a statement.

"For survivors of the Shoah, it is intolerable to watch how a suspected Nazi war criminal, who knew no mercy for his victims, seeks sympathy and compares his deportation to torture," she said, using the Hebrew term for Holocaust.

The Simon Wiesenthal Center had listed Demjanjuk as its No. 1 wanted Nazi.

"I think it is important that people, when they look at Demjanjuk, not really see him as an elderly person, but think of the young man who in his prime invested all his energy and efforts in the mass murder of innocent men, women, and children," said Efraim Zuroff, the center's Jerusalem-based top Nazi hunter.

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Associated Press writer Melissa Eddy reported from Berlin. Christof Ruehrmair in Munich and Ryan Lucas in Warsaw, Poland contributed to this report.

MUNICH — Sitting in a wheelchair and breathing through a nasal tube, retired auto worker John Demjanjuk listened silently Tuesday as a German judge read a 21-page warrant accusing him of acting ...
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- toypiano I'm a Fan of toypiano 12 fans permalink
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This is a positive development for justice. Apparently there's additional, irrefutable evidence. Let them produce it and have their day in court.

It's taken a long, long time for this case to play out and he's been able to live comfortably for decades in the interim. If he is guilty, it would not be appropriate for him to walk (and drive) as a free man. And if he is found innocent, he'll be able to get back to his comfortable life for the time he has left.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:07 AM on 05/13/2009
- Solaris123 I'm a Fan of Solaris123 17 fans permalink
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"And if he is found innocent, he'll be able to get back to his comfortable life for the time he has left."
He lost his American citizenship and has been deported.
But Vanya speaks pretty good German he learned during his SS training. He'll be OK.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:34 PM on 05/13/2009
- petphotos I'm a Fan of petphotos 4 fans permalink
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All of this is similar to what happened to the father of a kid I grew up with. Back in the 30's this man had done things that were not nice to get the Teamsters into town. Much later (50's) when I knew him, he did many great things for kids in the community. The local DA decided to make a name for himself and went after this man, years after the fact. The DA kept after him again and again, till this father of my friend had a heart attack and died. The DA went on to a one term run as Governor. Justice? I am not sure. Not the same as a prison camp, I know, but delayed justice.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:38 PM on 05/12/2009
- JoePenn I'm a Fan of JoePenn 4 fans permalink

If one were to throw a rock in any direction from where (former US citizen) John Demjanjuk sits in prison, there's a helluva chance that a verified, villified, heroified Wehrmacht, Nazi, SS Troop would get hit on the head. So why does Deutschland pull (former and ripped away US citizen) Demjanjuk out and try him? Go after your glorified neighbors, my former German friends. For after visiting your country at least 15 times, I'll never set foot in German soil again.

Criminal act, it is.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:32 PM on 05/12/2009
- Solaris123 I'm a Fan of Solaris123 17 fans permalink
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Demjanjuk was stripped of U.S. citizenship. He had choice of Germany, Poland or Ukraine. HE HIMSELF chose Germany!. Try reading before knee jerking.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:40 PM on 05/12/2009
- sumanne I'm a Fan of sumanne 5 fans permalink
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weeps silent tears.....NOT

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:29 AM on 05/13/2009
- Solaris123 I'm a Fan of Solaris123 17 fans permalink
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A possible discussion point could be that he's old , therefore deserving clemency.
Perhaps pardon could've been exchanged fro his admission of guilt and apology to Nazi opponents who suffer and perished at the camps. Maybe. This can be argued.

But most of those supporting Demjanjuk .present three despicable directions of arguing:
A) He's not guilty. Despite significant evidences from Germans and Americans This point is mostly brought up by people who sympathise with the aims and goals of those who ran Sobibor.
B) But America.. but Israel... but Jews.. Mostly same camp as A supporters.
C.) Because Israeli court exonerated him from not being " Ivan The terrible," Demjanjuk is not guilty of any war crimes whatsoever. This is highly illogical, of course. But people who support Nazi camp guards rarely need logic and evidence.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:33 PM on 05/12/2009
- LLyonnoc I'm a Fan of LLyonnoc 2 fans permalink

HELP? All right this Demjanjuk was a guard at a German prison camp. The camp was conceived by the Germans, it was built by the Germans, it was run by the Germans, the people in there were put there by the Germans, the people killed there were killed by the Germans, the killers received arms and food by the Germans, the Germans started a war, invaded other countries, and forced the people in those countries to work at their concentration camps.

Am I right? Now how many Germans have been charged with the 28,000 killings? It would seem that if Germany first charged all those Germans it would then have the right to charge this guy. What a fraud it is to charge him - for an crime committed 65 years ago - when the Germans don't charge all the Germans who made it possible for Demjanjuk to commit his crime.

Am I crazy or not. This makes no sense.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:30 PM on 05/12/2009

So in other words you are saying: unless Obama charges all the other Americans who made the Iraq war possible, he shouldn't go after the CIA torturers and the Bush admininstration ? Just wondering......

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:37 AM on 05/13/2009
- AdamX I'm a Fan of AdamX 13 fans permalink

It wasn't "germans", it was Nazis. This man was a heinous murderer. You make no sense. You are a nazi apologist.

It wasn't "Americans" who tortured - it was only a segment. They should all be tried and convicted.

Why are you pro-crime? Is it just that you hate Jews?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:49 AM on 05/13/2009
- AbeMartin I'm a Fan of AbeMartin 11 fans permalink
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John Demjanjuk should have been extradited and tried (and imprisoned) more than thirty years ago on the basis of very strong documentary evidence and eyewitness accounts of this monster's acts of torture and murder. The fact that this was not done reflects his attorneys' skill and the fecklessness of the United States Government.

Did this pig show ever express 'oh, let's let the old men and women and children go, while he and the rest of the Ukranian thugs were herding them toward the showers and ovens?

Did this pig ever express any hint of sympathy for those who were murdered at the camp where he was assigned during the war doing something like, oh, recording the eating habits of the very old?

NO.

So, let the pig, rot in prison enjoying his three squares a day. It is a true pity that he can't enjoy a German winter clad in the same pajamas that the inmates of the camp which employed his special skills for those years with one thin blanket to warm him at night.

I wish him a long, long, long, long, painful life. And wish it was he, rather than my aunts, uncles and cousins that had been doomed in his camp.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:05 PM on 05/12/2009
- LLyonnoc I'm a Fan of LLyonnoc 2 fans permalink

What is this about Ukrainian thugs? Did he build the prison comps? Did he round up all the prisoner? All I can see is he had choice to be a guard or be killed. So he became a guard. So did a lot of Jews who did not want to be killed. Too bad for your relatives, but why are you blaming Ukrainians when it was the Germans who were the malfactors. Or was it the Ukrainians that attacked Poland?.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:34 PM on 05/12/2009
- AdamX I'm a Fan of AdamX 13 fans permalink

Another nazi apologist!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:50 AM on 05/13/2009
- JoePenn I'm a Fan of JoePenn 4 fans permalink

So we're talking eye-witness testimony, eh Abe? Would that be from the same drama kings and queens who, lordy, lordy, lordy ALL, each every one, came within 2 feet of Joseph Mengele, but lordy, lordy, lordy, the good Lord spared them so they could tell their stories to the world?

Stories, alright, that's a nail on the head.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:35 PM on 05/12/2009
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For some reason, I'm more afraid of you than a bed-ridden 89 year old man.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:43 PM on 05/12/2009
- Solaris123 I'm a Fan of Solaris123 17 fans permalink
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Vanya Demjanjuk is not bed ridden. He's a malingerer.
I wonder if he ever gave any of his starving prisoners a piece of bread. Let him speak!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:43 PM on 05/12/2009
- toypiano I'm a Fan of toypiano 12 fans permalink
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That 89-year-old man still drives a car. He's not exactly bed-ridden. Most of the infirmity on display is for show, standard operating procedure for elderly murder suspects.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:00 AM on 05/13/2009
- bmermaid I'm a Fan of bmermaid 18 fans permalink
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It's too late for revenge. But maybe never too late for justice.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:33 PM on 05/12/2009
- USA2Sense I'm a Fan of USA2Sense 6 fans permalink

Obviously from a lot of the comments already posted - very few of these people have read or know any history or documentation on the death camps - and they speak from ignorance and stupidity....

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:16 PM on 05/12/2009
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In what regard?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:05 PM on 05/12/2009

I don't see any good coming of this - I doubt he could survive a long trial; if convicted, it won't bring back any lives. If he's not convicted - or more likely not fit to stand trial - then what's next?
I'm not convinced there's irrefutable evidence.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:06 PM on 05/12/2009
- dgh94104 I'm a Fan of dgh94104 15 fans permalink

Good thing we don't rely on you to be judge and jury, isn't it? How would you know anything about the evidence?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:32 PM on 05/12/2009
- AbeMartin I'm a Fan of AbeMartin 11 fans permalink
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Tough. I hope he does survive for a long, long, time.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:07 PM on 05/12/2009
- Ramonne I'm a Fan of Ramonne 12 fans permalink

This isn't about his health and well being,or about good or restored lives, it is
about the innocent people from
WWII that were imprisoned because they were of the Jewish race and then put
to death in gas chambers after being abused by guards.
It is about what happens now to people who chose to treat another person in such
a vile way.
Let him go to trial and be judged by his peers. The dead from WWII deserve that
much even now.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:29 PM on 05/12/2009
- obamagal I'm a Fan of obamagal 50 fans permalink
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Very well said. I totally agree.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:31 PM on 05/12/2009
- Moshe I'm a Fan of Moshe 217 fans permalink
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It should not take decades to bring a suspected war criminal to justice, but the U.S. should pursue justice for our own war criminals with such unending vigilence.

As Dr. King said: Injustice anywhere is a threat to justice everywhere. Crimes against humanity are crimes against all of humanity.

If the U.S. will not prosecute our own war criminals Germany, Spain, etc., must.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:29 PM on 05/12/2009
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Actually, that guy was living in the U.S. for 60plus years, so America could have persecuted him decades ago.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:00 PM on 05/12/2009
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Your choice of words is really unfortunate and immature.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:09 PM on 05/12/2009

Please. Let this old man go.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:23 PM on 05/12/2009
- quindy I'm a Fan of quindy 35 fans permalink

Why?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:37 PM on 05/12/2009
- Hank007 I'm a Fan of Hank007 94 fans permalink

Because they tried to put him on trial for the same thing only in a different camp, only the charges turned out to be false. Now the same 'investigator' has decided now he was somewhere else doing evil, while yet again, there is scant evidence he was anywhere near when/where they say. There is another certain country which normally prosecutes these guys, and even they say there is no case against him.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:59 PM on 05/12/2009
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Sure. Abandon the notion of justice for the Shoah. Think much?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:10 PM on 05/12/2009
- rjohns3 I'm a Fan of rjohns3 4 fans permalink

"All this, all these years for an alleged guard. The very lowest rung on the ladder."

The hypocrisy in America is amazing. We have demonized this guy for what he may or may not have done yet turned the cheek on others whose guilt was not in question at all and treated them as American heros.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:04 PM on 05/12/2009
- Horst I'm a Fan of Horst 24 fans permalink

Stalin was right about one thing...he said that the highest ranking 50,000 SS and Waffen SS officers in capitivity should have been exceuted at the end of the war. Hundreds of thousands of Germans, Ukrainians, Poles and others ran the camps and support services....essentially none of them have been prosecuted.....except those who died in Russian POW camps.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:04 PM on 05/12/2009
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Using Stalin as an authority on morality and justice....why am I not surprised.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:06 PM on 05/12/2009
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Well, neither have the Bolshevics who killed about 20 million people. Not even the Russians who killed 50.000 Polish officers in Katyn did get punished, let alone the ones that ran the Gulags

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:56 PM on 05/12/2009
- LLyonnoc I'm a Fan of LLyonnoc 2 fans permalink

You quote Stalin. How many Ukrainians did he kill in the Thirties with his forced famine. Stalin and his henchmen, many of whom were Jews, should also have been executed prior to the war for the crimes they committed.

You see with your selective picking out of Germans, Ukrainians and Poles and your limiting your outrage to WWII, you leave out the evils others did before that time. Unfortunately, the peoples of Europe, all of them, but especially the Soviets were barbarians at one time or another.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:39 PM on 05/12/2009

If--and there is considerable doubt as to this man's participation--Demjanjuk is guilty, then the reality is that he was caught up in a situation where he was damned if he did and more than likely dead if he didn't. I wonder how many of us would have been able to stand on "principle" and refuse to be a part of it.

This whole thing strikes me as an absurd and surreal exercise in hypocrisy. Here we have our own thugs who were involved in the torture and humiliation of prisoners and we stand around wringing our hands, refusing to prosecute even those higher-ups who gave out the marching orders.

Demjanjuk is an old man who should be given the right to live out what time he has left in peace. Instead he is being hounded by the dogs of hypocrisy.

I find it totally disgusting--and I am a supporter of the State of Israel.

Cheney needs to answer for his egregious sins against humanity. But he should be treated with dignity and respect. Demjanjuk deserves no less.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:03 PM on 05/12/2009
- Hank007 I'm a Fan of Hank007 94 fans permalink

Israel dropped the charges made against him last time due to lack of evidence. They won't even entertain this case, it's so flimsy.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:00 PM on 05/12/2009
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You're flimsy. You misstate facts on this thread by saying that Israel dropped "the charges" against him. You are simply lying in this regard.

This is a different case. Different camp. Different facts. Israel's proceedings have no bearing here.

Please stop. You look ridiculous and ill-informed.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:42 PM on 05/12/2009
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Your reply is scatterbrained and poorly reasoned.

1) "he was caught up in a situation where he was damned if he did and more than likely dead if he didn't. I wonder how many of us would have been able to stand on "principle" and refuse to be a part of it."

He had a clear choice to either engage in crimes against humanity or to not engage in such crimes. Pretty simple. Every criminal can provide mitigating statements about his/her culpability but they do not eliminate fault. My family didn't have the convenient choice that budding Nazis had, they were Jewish. Consequently, many people in my family were sent to die.

2) "Demjanjuk is an old man who should be given the right to live out what time he has left in peace. Instead he is being hounded by the dogs of hypocrisy."

If only Demjanjuk had thought so kindly of the people whose deaths he facilitated. He ran away from responsibility for his involvement in one of history's worst crimes.

3) "I find it totally disgusting--and I am a supporter of the State of Israel."

Your support of Israel is pretty irrelevant. Many support Israel who have little stake in preserving the Shoah's memory. This statement is diversion and a disingenuous attempt to establish credibility for a morally bankrupt, immature argument that flies in the face of all humanity.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:19 PM on 05/12/2009
- OGoodGrief I'm a Fan of OGoodGrief 12 fans permalink

It sounds to me like they don't have much evidence. Eyewitness accounts will not hold up as "memory" is not a reliable source especially after all this time. Plus, Isreal overturned the conviction based on depositions given right after the war that state this guy is not Ivan the Terrible.

Officials will make an example of Demjanjuk one way or another, despite whether they have solid evidence against him. Is it really justice if you don't have absolute proof?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:46 PM on 05/12/2009
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You sir, are entirely wrong! Condolences.

1) Demjanjuk was cleared in Israel of claims arising from Treblinka. This is an entirely new set of claims arising from an entirely different camp.

What you need to understand is that a finding of innocence in one proceeding does not provide blanket immunity throughout all time for any and all subsequent claims.

2) Justice is often served without absolute proof. Look to any US criminal or civil proceeding that you deem to have provided justice.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:27 PM on 05/12/2009
- kasinca I'm a Fan of kasinca 168 fans permalink
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The point being missed is that we extradited this man on similar charges to what Spain is wanting the Bush Crime Family extradited. Why do we do this to a citizen and Germany but allow our republican crime family blow smoke and get away with torture?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:31 PM on 05/12/2009
- MalloMel I'm a Fan of MalloMel 103 fans permalink
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I really don't care.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:16 PM on 05/12/2009
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