Graham: CIA Gave Me False Information About Interrogation Briefings

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First Posted: 05-14-09 04:41 PM   |   Updated: 06- 8-09 04:58 PM

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In testimony that could bolster Speaker Nancy Pelosi's claim that the CIA misled her during briefings on detainee interrogations, former Senator Bob Graham insisted on Thursday that he too was kept in the dark about the use of waterboarding, and called the agency's records on these briefings "suspect."

In an interview with the Huffington Post, the former Senate Intelligence Committee Chairman said that approximately a month ago, the CIA provided him with false information about how many times and when he was briefed on enhanced interrogations.

"When this issue started to resurface I called the appropriate people in the agency and said I would like to know the dates from your records that briefings were held," Graham recalled. "And they contacted me and gave me four dates -- two in April '02 and two in September '02. Now, one of the things I do, and for which I have taken some flack, is keep a spiral notebook of what I do throughout the day. And so I went through my records and through a combination of my daily schedule, which I keep, and my notebooks, I confirmed and the CIA agreed that my notes were accurate; that three of those four dates there had been no briefing. There was only one day that I had been briefed, which was September the 27th of 2002."

As for the one briefing he did attend, the Florida Democrat said that he had "no recollection that issues such as waterboarding were discussed." He was not, per the sensitive nature of the matters discussed, allowed to take notes at the time. But he did highlight what he considered to be pretty strong proof that the controversial technique was not discussed.

"What struck me...was the fact that in that briefing, there were also two staff members," he said. "As you know, the general rule is that the executive is to brief the full committees of the House and Senate Intelligence committees about any ongoing or proposed action. The exception to that is what is called "covert action," where the president...only briefs the Gang of Eight, which is the four congressional leaders and the four intelligence committee leaders. Those sessions are generally conducted at an executive site, primarily at the White House itself. And they are conducted with just the authorized personnel, not with any staff or any other member of the committee.... Which leads me to conclude that this was not considered by the CIA to be a Gang of Eight briefing. Otherwise they would not have had staff in the room. And that leads me to then believe that they didn't brief us on any of the sensitive programs such as the waterboarding or other forms of excessive interrogation."

The remarks made by Graham bolster the comments offered by Pelosi on Thursday. The Speaker told reporters that during her briefing session in the fall of 2002 she was not just kept in the dark about the issue of waterboarding, she was assured that it had not been used.

"Yes, I am saying that the CIA was misleading the Congress," she said.

However, records and testimony do show that high-ranking aides were present during a February 2003 briefing when waterboarding was discussed by the CIA with Reps. Porter Goss and Jane Harman.

Graham declined to speculate as to what took place during Pelosi's briefings, noting that the House and Senate had two entirely different sessions. But he did point out that, at the time, "the whole credibility of the intelligence committee, particularly the CIA, was pretty much in question" -- giving credence to Pelosi's claims that she was given faulty information.

"The irony," said Graham, "is that the whole series of events in late September of '02 were concurrent with the CIA's release of the first classified version of the National Intelligence Estimate, which was one of the key factors that led me to vote against the war in Iraq because I thought that their case was so weak. And they were making to the public these very bold statements about how we were in extreme danger if we didn't move quickly to eradicate Saddam Hussein. The whole, 'a smoking gun may appear in the form of a mushroom cloud' kind of argument."


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In testimony that could bolster Speaker Nancy Pelosi's claim that the CIA misled her during briefings on detainee interrogations, former Senator Bob Graham insisted on Thursday that he too was kept in...
In testimony that could bolster Speaker Nancy Pelosi's claim that the CIA misled her during briefings on detainee interrogations, former Senator Bob Graham insisted on Thursday that he too was kept in...
 
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- scat I'm a Fan of scat 14 fans permalink
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From Pelosi's own mouth, and I quote "my job is to get democratic control of the congress and get an Democratic President elected"

Enough said!!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:35 PM on 05/15/2009

Great name.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:29 PM on 05/19/2009
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Let's keep one thing in mind. The CIA burned the torture tapes. Who is the liar now?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:25 PM on 05/15/2009

here you go...
the CIA destroyed 92 interrogation tapes....bbc.com:

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:07 PM on 05/16/2009
- afgail I'm a Fan of afgail 58 fans permalink

Come on Panetta. 25% of the truth is not the truth. Pelosi is not to blame for torture. Let's not lose sight of the facts that Dick Cheney masterminded the torture program and the CIA contractors carried it out with frequent briefings to Cheney. The Bush Department of Justice cobbled up a justification after the fact. Let the war crimes prosecutions begin.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:50 PM on 05/15/2009
- anoise I'm a Fan of anoise 2 fans permalink
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Regardless of what Pelosi knew, and when she knew it SHE was not the one who autorized torture.
If you want to bring her down for not speaking up, OK, but get teh guys who actually did it and authorized it first.
She is far from top of the list on this one.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:19 PM on 05/15/2009
- Hank10303 I'm a Fan of Hank10303 46 fans permalink

Common sense will tell anyone that the CIA mislead congress about waterboarding. They were aware that the practice is illegal on an international scale. Common sense says they would never have walked into a meeting and say directly - we are waterboarding suspects to get information - never. They also distroyed over 2,000 video and snap shot images of the acts committed. So all the Pelosi haters out there, you are on the wrong side of history and when the facts come to light CIA heads will role.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:01 PM on 05/15/2009

I was very sceptical about Pelosi's stammering, blinking self-defense. If she was on "Lie to Me" she would've been busted after the first sentence. But if Bob Graham says that he was also lied to, that's convincing. Graham is about as honest as politicians get. And the very idea of the CIA lying, that's so, so, believable. I mean, that's what they do isn't it?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:48 PM on 05/15/2009
- Hank10303 I'm a Fan of Hank10303 46 fans permalink

Pelosi may not be a very good public speaker - but that does not mean she was lying. Her ability to give an interview with confidence and organization have never been part of her character or skill traits. But, in this I sure she was telling the truth - you know why

THE CIA ADMITTED TO DESTROYING OVER 2,000 SNAP SHOT AND VIDEO IMAGES OF THE ACTS THEY COMMITTED. That is clear guilt if ever there was.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:04 PM on 05/15/2009
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So by that same logic, Bush was lying every time he opened his mouth.
Stammering, stuttering, nervous laughs and pauses in his train of thought.

Seriously, you righties and you penchant for using TV shows as proof of guilt.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:21 PM on 05/15/2009

I have mixed feelings on Pelosi. The problem is she has to choose her words carefully since she has security clearance and there are things she cannot talk about. Also, if I were her, I would never get into a small plane, use commercial flights at the last minute and keep diaries, notes, have herself videotaped all of the time. She is probably on some CIA suicide list -- like the guy who just died who was the person that gave the CIA the lie that Iraq and Al Queda worked together. These people are dropping like flies. I am surprised though that they didn't use something more clever -- like the swine flu. Who knows who will get sick and die.

The guy who just went before a committee and said the memo he wrote saying why the findings were wrong was "found". He went on Maddow's show. I hope he stays safe and healthy. I hear Cheney's gone a hunting.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:42 PM on 05/15/2009
- flabingo I'm a Fan of flabingo 7 fans permalink

I could not say it better! BRAVO

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:46 PM on 05/15/2009
- ConservMom I'm a Fan of ConservMom 11 fans permalink
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This is Pelosi's 5th statement and she's already changed her story 4 times so, she's already confirmed herself she's lied. Not much else to say from her!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:26 PM on 05/15/2009
- DJ23 I'm a Fan of DJ23 12 fans permalink
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your lying is futile

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:58 PM on 05/15/2009
- Hank10303 I'm a Fan of Hank10303 46 fans permalink

Actually she never changed her story - if you listen carefully you will find that each recounting covers a different period in time. She said in Sept. of 2002 she was briefed and water boarding was not being used but may be one day. She then later said she was told by a staff member that attended a briefing she couldn't attend that water boarding was used - but that was in Feb. of 2003; the media is mixing up the clips and the time line. Listen carefully.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:08 PM on 05/15/2009

If a staff member attended (with or without her), according to Sen. Graham, then a topic such as the use of torture would not have been discussed. It would only be with the "gang of eight".

But the poster is correct, the media have it wrong. She has not changed her story and there were different meetings. Sen. Graham said the CIA said he had four briefings on the matter when his detailed personal records show that only one of the "four briefings" actually happened.

Is it a lie or the Memorex? Are you going to believe them or your lying eyes and ears?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:50 PM on 05/15/2009

Says you. I believe her. I believe the CIA lied to her.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:08 PM on 05/15/2009

snort. you sound just like my older daughter. absolutely sure of every detail without really checking into the whole issue.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:20 PM on 05/15/2009
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Please provide the 5 instances where she changed her story.

And, quoting Limbaugh, Hannity, Ingram and O'Reilly do not count.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:23 PM on 05/15/2009
- Alablanca I'm a Fan of Alablanca 5 fans permalink

Mr. Stein, I sent you the copy of a post I received regarding the SINGLE PAYER MEDICARE PLAN. I am very interested in knowing your opinion on why Pres. Obama is not going to endorse the Single Payer Plan - the government-run health plan. Would you look into the post I sent you and be so kind as to tell me what you think. Thank you.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:07 PM on 05/15/2009
- artgurrl I'm a Fan of artgurrl 24 fans permalink

It's not like the CIA has never lied before to our government or the people. Why would they stop now? I find it particularly funny that Pelosi wants to go forward with the investigations and the GOP wants them stopped and have decided to blame the dems and Pelosi for the waterboarding 'coverup'. Wow, it's quite obvious that the GOP is hot on obfuscating this issue again by pointing the finger in the wrong direction. Once again, we see through that obfuscation and their lies.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:03 PM on 05/15/2009
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Exactly. Now Bob Graham is backing Pelosi.
Something is up here. The CIA is definitely
hiding something.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:28 PM on 05/15/2009

agreed. the Com;.pan.y has been nefarious for decades. so what's new here. lol. sad and pathetic.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:22 PM on 05/15/2009

and the Repugs as usual, are looking into their mirrors and seeing someone else. pot calling kettle a color. hmmm

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:21 PM on 05/15/2009
- SPQR1775 I'm a Fan of SPQR1775 49 fans permalink

"So torturing prisoners was perfectly legal and very effective, except for the torture supposedly told to Pelosi? That torture was wrong?

I am very confused." ME TOO,

The GOP however have swallow the bait, it is time for Nancy Pelosi to "OPEN PANDORA'S BOX" and drag Tenet before the Truth Commission, Bush gave him a "pardon" when he pinned the "Imperial Medal of Torture" upon his chest and called it MEDAL OF FREEDOM. All these guys, including Ridge former HLS Chief are apart of the Bushite Regime. This administration is the FOURTH REICH indeed, they rise to power through lies and deception, but will surely fall. Only a matter of time before you get their true reward in PRISON! CHENEY FIRST, he was the dark horse in all this stuff, he selected himself as VP, created 9-11, created an assasination squad, plan and carry out torture, shoot a man, almost wreck the constitution and he is still telling lies. He must be worst over $2 trillion with all the oil, war and economic collapse $$$ that dissapear without a trace? IMAGINE IT ALL!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:58 PM on 05/15/2009
- 1dogs2 I'm a Fan of 1dogs2 122 fans permalink

Good for you, Speaker Pelosi. This is how to deal with attempted blackmail -- I'll see your lie and raise you to a no-holds-barred Congressional investigation.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:33 PM on 05/15/2009
- GranE I'm a Fan of GranE 15 fans permalink

Thank you Senator for standing up. If the CIA will lie to you after the fact by giving you false dates, they lied to begin with. They have a mountain load of 'splainin" to do.

Smart man to keep a daily journal.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:18 PM on 05/15/2009
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I think Bob Graham needs to start making the media rounds to put this republican vs. Pelosi nonsense to rest.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:07 PM on 05/15/2009
- KeysDan I'm a Fan of KeysDan 23 fans permalink

I would believe Senator Graham on this one. Remember, Senator Graham was the (one time) presidential candidate who was ridiculed as an eccentric because he kept a running log of all his daily activities. I would trust Bob Graham's record keeping on meetings with the CiA, more than that of the CIA, whom we pay to lie and cheat as a profession.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:54 AM on 05/15/2009

I've never known Bob Graham to lie... from the State House to the Senate he has been scrupulously honest. Can't say as much for the CIA tho. Pelosi is the wild card in this one.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:46 PM on 05/15/2009
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OKay, if we're vouching for personal faves - I've never known her to lie either, so the only wild card is the CIA

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:49 PM on 05/15/2009

I never thought Madame Speaker was lying. I always thought that was more Repug bushwah because they have nothing useful to say except "We don't like it because the Dems are doing it."

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:09 PM on 05/15/2009
- lesterbud I'm a Fan of lesterbud 90 fans permalink
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So torturing prisoners was perfectly legal and very effective, except for the torture supposedly told to Pelosi? That torture was wrong?

I am very confused.

If it was OK, why do they care who knew about it? Why is it so important that they have to make up lies about it?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:55 AM on 05/15/2009
- Loompa I'm a Fan of Loompa 5 fans permalink

What torture?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:39 AM on 05/15/2009

The real torture is watching and listening to Pelosi and Graham. They are like 3yr. olds in a playground. Just imagine going back in time when these two has anything to do with intelligence. No wonder the CIA had no boundaries.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:37 PM on 05/15/2009
- Apov I'm a Fan of Apov 13 fans permalink

What else do they have to talk about?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:35 PM on 05/15/2009
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