Graham: CIA Gave Me False Information About Interrogation Briefings

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First Posted: 05-14-09 04:41 PM   |   Updated: 06- 8-09 04:58 PM

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In testimony that could bolster Speaker Nancy Pelosi's claim that the CIA misled her during briefings on detainee interrogations, former Senator Bob Graham insisted on Thursday that he too was kept in the dark about the use of waterboarding, and called the agency's records on these briefings "suspect."

In an interview with the Huffington Post, the former Senate Intelligence Committee Chairman said that approximately a month ago, the CIA provided him with false information about how many times and when he was briefed on enhanced interrogations.

"When this issue started to resurface I called the appropriate people in the agency and said I would like to know the dates from your records that briefings were held," Graham recalled. "And they contacted me and gave me four dates -- two in April '02 and two in September '02. Now, one of the things I do, and for which I have taken some flack, is keep a spiral notebook of what I do throughout the day. And so I went through my records and through a combination of my daily schedule, which I keep, and my notebooks, I confirmed and the CIA agreed that my notes were accurate; that three of those four dates there had been no briefing. There was only one day that I had been briefed, which was September the 27th of 2002."

As for the one briefing he did attend, the Florida Democrat said that he had "no recollection that issues such as waterboarding were discussed." He was not, per the sensitive nature of the matters discussed, allowed to take notes at the time. But he did highlight what he considered to be pretty strong proof that the controversial technique was not discussed.

"What struck me...was the fact that in that briefing, there were also two staff members," he said. "As you know, the general rule is that the executive is to brief the full committees of the House and Senate Intelligence committees about any ongoing or proposed action. The exception to that is what is called "covert action," where the president...only briefs the Gang of Eight, which is the four congressional leaders and the four intelligence committee leaders. Those sessions are generally conducted at an executive site, primarily at the White House itself. And they are conducted with just the authorized personnel, not with any staff or any other member of the committee.... Which leads me to conclude that this was not considered by the CIA to be a Gang of Eight briefing. Otherwise they would not have had staff in the room. And that leads me to then believe that they didn't brief us on any of the sensitive programs such as the waterboarding or other forms of excessive interrogation."

The remarks made by Graham bolster the comments offered by Pelosi on Thursday. The Speaker told reporters that during her briefing session in the fall of 2002 she was not just kept in the dark about the issue of waterboarding, she was assured that it had not been used.

"Yes, I am saying that the CIA was misleading the Congress," she said.

However, records and testimony do show that high-ranking aides were present during a February 2003 briefing when waterboarding was discussed by the CIA with Reps. Porter Goss and Jane Harman.

Graham declined to speculate as to what took place during Pelosi's briefings, noting that the House and Senate had two entirely different sessions. But he did point out that, at the time, "the whole credibility of the intelligence committee, particularly the CIA, was pretty much in question" -- giving credence to Pelosi's claims that she was given faulty information.

"The irony," said Graham, "is that the whole series of events in late September of '02 were concurrent with the CIA's release of the first classified version of the National Intelligence Estimate, which was one of the key factors that led me to vote against the war in Iraq because I thought that their case was so weak. And they were making to the public these very bold statements about how we were in extreme danger if we didn't move quickly to eradicate Saddam Hussein. The whole, 'a smoking gun may appear in the form of a mushroom cloud' kind of argument."


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In testimony that could bolster Speaker Nancy Pelosi's claim that the CIA misled her during briefings on detainee interrogations, former Senator Bob Graham insisted on Thursday that he too was kept in...
In testimony that could bolster Speaker Nancy Pelosi's claim that the CIA misled her during briefings on detainee interrogations, former Senator Bob Graham insisted on Thursday that he too was kept in...
 
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- ebanks84 I'm a Fan of ebanks84 95 fans permalink

I am appalled that the MEDIA is stringing out this Pe lo si bu ll crap to this extreme. What are we doing people? We have taken our eyes off the ball. We have been so brainwashed into thinking that P elosi is the bad guy that we are letting the REAL BAD GUYS get away scot free. What's up with that?

Open your eyes people, NOT YOUR EARS, because the point here is torture and whether we do it or not. And to think that morning J o e can possibly say that the C I A don't lie is beyond all comprehension to me.

CIA doe lie: http://www.theage.com.au/articles/2003/10/29/1067233244563.html

Did B u s h/C h e n e y torture? If so, that is the point, nothing else. Pelosi is NOT THE STORY. Wake up America. Can't you see by now that this is just another way to keep us in CHAOS and DIVIDED? They do this in order to keep us from ONE OPINION, which is where we need to be to be effective. If we could speak as one and say TOR TURE IS ILLEGAL, which it is, then they would have to investigate it as WE should.

Thank God McDonnell just came on morning J o e and told him he has been misleading people all morning, which is the TRUTH! And Mika looks like she could crawl in a hole somewhere :).

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:18 AM on 05/15/2009
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Sure. Of course. Whatever you say. I believe you! (pushes button to summon Security).

No, seriously, I do (continues to press button for Security.) We will discuss it 1st. thing in the morning.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:30 AM on 05/15/2009
- ebanks84 I'm a Fan of ebanks84 95 fans permalink

Sc a r b o rough is that you?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:31 AM on 05/15/2009
- Loompa I'm a Fan of Loompa 5 fans permalink

poor ebanks is upset that Pelosi got caught so wants to talk about something else - like torture - hey, ebanks, where is waterboarding legally defined as torture?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:06 AM on 05/15/2009
- ebanks84 I'm a Fan of ebanks84 95 fans permalink

You have to know how to read to find it. And I guess you need to know how to listen also because all LEGAL sources are telling you that it is. But ignorance is a good excuse for some people.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:10 AM on 05/15/2009
- ebanks84 I'm a Fan of ebanks84 95 fans permalink

All nations that are signatory to the United Nations Convention Against Torture have agreed they are subject to the explicit prohibition on torture under any condition. This was affirmed by Saadi v. Italy in which the European Court of Human Rights, on February 28, 2008, upheld the absolute nature of the torture ban by ruling that international law permits no exceptions to it.[133][1­34] The treaty states "No exceptional circumstances whatsoever, whether a state of war or a threat of war, internal political instability or any other public emergency, may be invoked as a justification of torture".[­135] Additionally, signatories of the Universal Declaration of Human Rights are bound to Article 5, which states, "No one shall be subjected to torture or to cruel, inhuman or degrading treatment or punishment­".[136] Many signatories of the convention have made specific declarations and reservations regarding the interpretation of the term "torture" and restricted the jurisdiction of its enforcemen­t.[137] However, UN High Commissioner for Human Rights, Louise Arbour, stated on the subject "I would have no problems with describing this practice as falling under the prohibition of torture", and that violators of the UN Convention Against Torture should be prosecuted under the principle of universal jurisdicti­on.[138]

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:17 AM on 05/15/2009
- uvymopka I'm a Fan of uvymopka 17 fans permalink
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Seems that there is "blood in the water". Pelosi and Graham are the only people dumb enough to make such claims. I hope the CIA has a tape of the meeting.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:16 AM on 05/15/2009
- ebanks84 I'm a Fan of ebanks84 95 fans permalink

You don't know your CIA at all. Do some investigating why don't you, you might be surprised.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:26 AM on 05/15/2009
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Bob Graham is a very honest and intelligent man.
I would trust him way before the CIA.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:32 AM on 05/15/2009
- Loompa I'm a Fan of Loompa 5 fans permalink

yes, and Pelosi never lies!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:06 AM on 05/15/2009
- kasinca I'm a Fan of kasinca 163 fans permalink
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Turn off FAUX. There are inderers talking to the congressional committee investigations.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:31 AM on 05/15/2009
- RButler I'm a Fan of RButler 60 fans permalink

Going after Pelosi is kinda like going after Kato Kaelin and ignoring OJ Simpson. The people that didn't want to investigate the waterboarding cause it happened a long time ago (?) are going full bore after Pelosi over meeting in 2002-2003.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:15 AM on 05/15/2009
- ebanks84 I'm a Fan of ebanks84 95 fans permalink

Amen.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:21 AM on 05/15/2009
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Sure. Of course. Whatever you say. I believe you! (pushes button to summon Security).

No, seriously, I do (continues to press button for Security.) We will discuss it 1st. thing in the morning.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:31 AM on 05/15/2009
- ebanks84 I'm a Fan of ebanks84 95 fans permalink

Are you stuck on stupid this morning or what :)

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:37 AM on 05/15/2009
- aramos I'm a Fan of aramos 9 fans permalink

A new low for our politicians ....blame the CIA. Tell enough people they were lied to instead of standing up, and explaining what they knew. Hide behind the grand conspiracy. What weak and inept politicians, and we keep voting the same clowns in year after year.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:13 AM on 05/15/2009
- yoshi99 I'm a Fan of yoshi99 4 fans permalink
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Well, it's starting to sound like the CIA manufactured information about when meetings were held. Why don't you think that should be probed?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:21 AM on 05/15/2009
- ebanks84 I'm a Fan of ebanks84 95 fans permalink

Don't be so naive to think the CIA is crystal clear either. All parts of our government needs a good cleansing for sure.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:28 AM on 05/15/2009
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The CIA held back information pure and simple.
Bob Graham is a really honest man as far as
politicians go. Let them investigate.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:33 AM on 05/15/2009
- Loompa I'm a Fan of Loompa 5 fans permalink

and just how do you know that, just....?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:07 AM on 05/15/2009
- tangelan I'm a Fan of tangelan 25 fans permalink
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Go get 'em, Lawrence O'Donnell! If Bush lied to his own cabinet members, he could get the CIA to lie to the Congress.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:09 AM on 05/15/2009
- ebanks84 I'm a Fan of ebanks84 95 fans permalink

If only EVERYONE can accept that FACT, it would be so easy to move forward.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:23 AM on 05/15/2009
- Oldbuck I'm a Fan of Oldbuck 8 fans permalink
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We are falling for the same old thing the point is not who knew what and when the point's who ordered this water boarding which was illegal then and now it is time to find out what went on. The is the Republican ploy to make people think that they are innocent but because someone else knew absolves their guilt . Give me a break this is the dumbest thing I have every heard.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:59 AM on 05/15/2009
- Rog49Thomas I'm a Fan of Rog49Thomas 192 fans permalink

It may be the dumbest thing you ever heard.

But it may play well with the rubes.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:03 AM on 05/15/2009
- Loompa I'm a Fan of Loompa 5 fans permalink

hey, oldbuck - where does it say anywhere that waterboarding is illegal?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:08 AM on 05/15/2009
- ebanks84 I'm a Fan of ebanks84 95 fans permalink

See, I knew you weren't going to read my post where I showed you the answer. It was a little to much to read, huh? :)

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:49 AM on 05/15/2009
- Rog49Thomas I'm a Fan of Rog49Thomas 192 fans permalink

There's a very simple explanation here.

Since this was a matter of the utmost importance to national security, no members of Congress were at the briefings in April 02 and one in Sept 02 for national security reasons.

Besides how was the agency supposed to know if the members of Congress were loyal?

As the VP President clearly stated shortly after 911, Democrats and liberals couldn't be trusted to keep America safe.

So it was a Catch-22 situation,

If the agency had waterboarded them to find out, then the secret would have been out.

If it didn't and then told Congress, one of the liberals might have called Osama to tell him what's up. And note that one of them was carrying a notebook which might have fallen into enemy hands.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:56 AM on 05/15/2009
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Thats one of the funniest joke i've heard in a while.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:15 AM on 05/15/2009
- Rog49Thomas I'm a Fan of Rog49Thomas 192 fans permalink

The sad thing is that it is no joke.

In the national security state, security is the most important product.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:34 AM on 05/15/2009
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Senator says CIA admitted making up dates of torture briefings

Florida senator told a New York radio host Thursday that the CIA admitted that they’d gotten the dates wrong. The CIA recently released a report detailing the dates that key members of Congress had been briefed about the Bush administration’s “enhanced interrogation program,” but acknowledged in a letter accompanying the report that they couldn’t vouch for its complete accuracy.

Graham’s pronouncement is startling in light of claims by House Speaker Nancy Pelosi contesting the accuracy of the CIA report, and may call into question the veracity of the report as a whole.

http://dyn.politico.com/members/forums/thread.cfm?catid=1&subcatid=1&threadid=2438160

How many spies does Cheney still have that are still loyal to Cheney working within the US government?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:43 AM on 05/15/2009
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The CIA lied? I'm shocked!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:15 AM on 05/15/2009

Where is Jack Bauer when we need him to root out the rogue elements in the CIA.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:03 AM on 05/15/2009
- ebanks84 I'm a Fan of ebanks84 95 fans permalink

lol

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:40 AM on 05/15/2009
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How many spies does Cheney have still working for Cheney within the United States' government?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:00 AM on 05/15/2009
- ebanks84 I'm a Fan of ebanks84 95 fans permalink

On God knows! This man has more loyalty behind him than did Jesus Christ himself and that is the truth!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:41 AM on 05/15/2009
- eyedocoo7 I'm a Fan of eyedocoo7 8 fans permalink
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Also Kevenseven, I have some pending comments for you so don't think that I didn't reply. Hopefully they will post.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:07 AM on 05/15/2009
- eyedocoo7 I'm a Fan of eyedocoo7 8 fans permalink
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Kevenseven, I've gotta go. I have honestly enjoyed debating with you.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:05 AM on 05/15/2009
- kevenseven I'm a Fan of kevenseven 501 fans permalink
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That was not a debate. You offered not pertinent points and failed to negate all my solid arguments.

Lincoln has nothing to do with any of this. That was 150 years ago. Forget about it.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:10 AM on 05/15/2009
- floridafun I'm a Fan of floridafun 33 fans permalink
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keven thanks for the many great posts here..i agree with your view!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:42 AM on 05/15/2009
- ebanks84 I'm a Fan of ebanks84 95 fans permalink

Amen.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:43 AM on 05/15/2009
- jnik I'm a Fan of jnik 2 fans permalink

Now we know why she put Bush's impeachment "off the table".

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:02 AM on 05/15/2009
- kevenseven I'm a Fan of kevenseven 501 fans permalink
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Really? Is that just now become clear for you?

Or the fact that there was no freaking chance that Bush could be impeached and any effort to do so would have destroyed the Dem party?

I think it was the second.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:11 AM on 05/15/2009
- gypsy508 I'm a Fan of gypsy508 9 fans permalink

Top line. She a politician people. She's in a tough spot. This is her best story. And it's a lie.

http://theplumline.whorunsgov.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/05/enhanced-interrogation-briefings-to-congress.pdf

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:53 AM on 05/15/2009
- kevenseven I'm a Fan of kevenseven 501 fans permalink
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What?

Does this have anything to do with BushCo being guilty of torture?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:01 AM on 05/15/2009
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I would be amazed if this was not so down right SAD!

Seeing Obama self-destruct has made being amazed a thing of the past for me!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:54 AM on 05/15/2009
- kevenseven I'm a Fan of kevenseven 501 fans permalink
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eyedocoo7 lies:

Were the Japanese only doing it for no longer than 40 seconds and limiting it to only 5 times a month?

Posted 02:27 AM on 05/15/2009

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KSM was waterboarded 183 times in one month. So did you pull that "only 5 times a month" out of your arse?

One time is torture. It is a crime. We said we were at war. It was a war crime.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:45 AM on 05/15/2009
- eyedocoo7 I'm a Fan of eyedocoo7 8 fans permalink
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Because the NYT counts every pour of water as waterboarding.

Example: They go into an interrogation session. The terrorist doesn't say anything, they pour water on him, then stop and he still doesn't say anything so they pour again, they stop again and still he doesn't talk so they pour again, and finally he talks. The NYT counts this as 3 waterboardings.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:54 AM on 05/15/2009
- ebanks84 I'm a Fan of ebanks84 95 fans permalink

ONE is one too many. Are you for real?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:52 AM on 05/15/2009
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