Graham: CIA Gave Me False Information About Interrogation Briefings

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In testimony that could bolster Speaker Nancy Pelosi's claim that the CIA misled her during briefings on detainee interrogations, former Senator Bob Graham insisted on Thursday that he too was kept in the dark about the use of waterboarding, and called the agency's records on these briefings "suspect."

In an interview with the Huffington Post, the former Senate Intelligence Committee Chairman said that approximately a month ago, the CIA provided him with false information about how many times and when he was briefed on enhanced interrogations.

"When this issue started to resurface I called the appropriate people in the agency and said I would like to know the dates from your records that briefings were held," Graham recalled. "And they contacted me and gave me four dates -- two in April '02 and two in September '02. Now, one of the things I do, and for which I have taken some flack, is keep a spiral notebook of what I do throughout the day. And so I went through my records and through a combination of my daily schedule, which I keep, and my notebooks, I confirmed and the CIA agreed that my notes were accurate; that three of those four dates there had been no briefing. There was only one day that I had been briefed, which was September the 27th of 2002."

As for the one briefing he did attend, the Florida Democrat said that he had "no recollection that issues such as waterboarding were discussed." He was not, per the sensitive nature of the matters discussed, allowed to take notes at the time. But he did highlight what he considered to be pretty strong proof that the controversial technique was not discussed.

"What struck me...was the fact that in that briefing, there were also two staff members," he said. "As you know, the general rule is that the executive is to brief the full committees of the House and Senate Intelligence committees about any ongoing or proposed action. The exception to that is what is called "covert action," where the president...only briefs the Gang of Eight, which is the four congressional leaders and the four intelligence committee leaders. Those sessions are generally conducted at an executive site, primarily at the White House itself. And they are conducted with just the authorized personnel, not with any staff or any other member of the committee.... Which leads me to conclude that this was not considered by the CIA to be a Gang of Eight briefing. Otherwise they would not have had staff in the room. And that leads me to then believe that they didn't brief us on any of the sensitive programs such as the waterboarding or other forms of excessive interrogation."

The remarks made by Graham bolster the comments offered by Pelosi on Thursday. The Speaker told reporters that during her briefing session in the fall of 2002 she was not just kept in the dark about the issue of waterboarding, she was assured that it had not been used.

"Yes, I am saying that the CIA was misleading the Congress," she said.

However, records and testimony do show that high-ranking aides were present during a February 2003 briefing when waterboarding was discussed by the CIA with Reps. Porter Goss and Jane Harman.

Graham declined to speculate as to what took place during Pelosi's briefings, noting that the House and Senate had two entirely different sessions. But he did point out that, at the time, "the whole credibility of the intelligence committee, particularly the CIA, was pretty much in question" -- giving credence to Pelosi's claims that she was given faulty information.

"The irony," said Graham, "is that the whole series of events in late September of '02 were concurrent with the CIA's release of the first classified version of the National Intelligence Estimate, which was one of the key factors that led me to vote against the war in Iraq because I thought that their case was so weak. And they were making to the public these very bold statements about how we were in extreme danger if we didn't move quickly to eradicate Saddam Hussein. The whole, 'a smoking gun may appear in the form of a mushroom cloud' kind of argument."


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In testimony that could bolster Speaker Nancy Pelosi's claim that the CIA misled her during briefings on detainee interrogations, former Senator Bob Graham insisted on Thursday that he too was kept in...
In testimony that could bolster Speaker Nancy Pelosi's claim that the CIA misled her during briefings on detainee interrogations, former Senator Bob Graham insisted on Thursday that he too was kept in...
 
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- kevenseven I'm a Fan of kevenseven 501 fans permalink
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Torture is barbarous.

BushCo make America a barbarous nation.

And his apologists are fighting the efforts of Real Patriots to reverse that.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:41 AM on 05/15/2009
- gypsy508 I'm a Fan of gypsy508 9 fans permalink

There's a sucker born every minute I guess. Nancy was in a tough spot and she came up with a story that'll fool enough people. Of course, if it is true, she should have been a lot angrier and would have raised hell before it was revealed she got briefed. Kinda of like John Kerry saying he had no idea what Bush would do when he authorized the Iraq War and the Patriot Act. Either they are idiots or, wait...pol­iticians maybe?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:36 AM on 05/15/2009
- Tim303 I'm a Fan of Tim303 87 fans permalink
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Waterboarding is torture. Torture is wrong. We are responsible. Any other views are now irrelevant.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:33 AM on 05/15/2009
- kevenseven I'm a Fan of kevenseven 501 fans permalink
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If Pelosi is complicit, then BushCo is guilty.

But if BushCo is guilty, that does not in of itself mean that Pelosi is complicit.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:39 AM on 05/15/2009
- eyedocoo7 I'm a Fan of eyedocoo7 8 fans permalink
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kevenseven I'm a Fan of kevenseven I'm a fan of this user permalink

Waterboarding is torture, or we murd ered Japanese officers.
Which is it?
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At the risk of sounding like, "Depends on what the definition of is is", it depends on how you waterboard somebody. If you're limited to doing it 40 seconds at the most and no more than 5 sessions within a 30 day period, like the memos say, than it's not torture. If you did it for a half-hour straight then yes it would be torture. Same thing with sleep deprivation. If you deprive somebody of sleep for two days, it isn't torture. If you keep them awake for three week then it is. Loud music; if you play music loud enough that it only irritates them, it isn't torture. If you play it so loud that it blows their ear drums out and causes hearing loss, then it is torture.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:25 AM on 05/15/2009
- unkn1 I'm a Fan of unkn1 4 fans permalink

God save America. The CIA has been coopted. Their not-quite-cricket methods used to undermine foreign governments were applied domestically. The whole Bush administration is starting to look like a failed coup against the very Constitution. The CIA briefed Porter Goss and the traitor Harman, that's like confessing to an accomplice. It's time to have the FBI investigate the CIA.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:20 AM on 05/15/2009
- Carolab I'm a Fan of Carolab 375 fans permalink
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The CIA has been coopted? No, no, no -- THEY co-opt.

Richard Wolfe says Obama can't fight both CIA & Military..­.

Was surprised no one here posted about Richard Wolfe's rather nonchalant yet insightful commentary last night on Countdown that Obama can't fight both CIA AND military..­.

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2009/5/14/731281/-Obama-cant-fight-CIA-and-military,-are-were-screwed

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:56 AM on 05/15/2009
- kevenseven I'm a Fan of kevenseven 501 fans permalink
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Waterboarding is torture.

Cheeney has admitted that BushCo conducted torture.

Torture is a crime. It is a crime against American statutes and international law that the US recognizes.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4LPubUCJv58

This is a guy who insists the invasion of Iraq was a good idea. And he condemns waterboarding and all other torture.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:19 AM on 05/15/2009

This guy and Pelosi are coward, they were for it 7 years ago now they say they knew nothing, please at least Cheney has the balls to stand up for it. While these 2 cowards do everyuthing they can to get away from it, they know they were for it.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:13 AM on 05/15/2009
- eagledavey I'm a Fan of eagledavey 2 fans permalink

Lol, the Dems are so innocent in all this. Not one of them had any idea any of these nasty things were being done. Bush lied. The CIA lied. They're out to get us. Sounds like a bunch of squabbling 5 yr olds. Most of America knows nasty work was done. And guess what? We're fine with that. You cant put a price on peace and security.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:53 AM on 05/15/2009
- Stilts9 I'm a Fan of Stilts9 43 fans permalink
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General George Washington would not have you under his command, eagledavey!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:57 AM on 05/15/2009
- Badfickle I'm a Fan of Badfickle 122 fans permalink

Should any American soldier be so base and infamous as to injure any [prisoner]. . . I do most earnestly enjoin you to bring him to such severe and exemplary punishment as the enormity of the crime may require. Should it extend to death itself, it will not be disproportional to its guilt at such a time and in such a cause... for by such conduct they bring shame, disgrace and ruin to themselves and their country."

- George Washington, charge to the Northern Expeditionary Force, Sept. 14, 1775

"Treat them with humanity, and let them have no reason to complain of our copying the brutal example of the British Army in their treatment of our unfortunate brethren who have fallen into their hands,"

-George Washington following the Battle of Trenton 1776

"Not only your Officers, and Soldiers have been treated with a Tenderness due to Fellow Citizens, & Brethren; but even those execrable Parricides [traitors] whose Counsels & Aid have deluged their Country with Blood, have been protected from the Fury of a justly enraged People."

-George Washington in a letter to his British counterpart Aug19 1775

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:38 AM on 05/15/2009
- kevenseven I'm a Fan of kevenseven 501 fans permalink
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BushCo ordered and conducted torture.

Torture is what barbarians do.

You are a barbarian.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:57 AM on 05/15/2009
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Per the legal opinions, water boarding is not torture. - Nancy.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:05 AM on 05/15/2009
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Sophistry.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:38 AM on 05/15/2009
- unkn1 I'm a Fan of unkn1 4 fans permalink

Please forgive me, but queue the overused quote from Franklin, paraphrased: Those who would sacrifice liberty for security will end up with neither.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:24 AM on 05/15/2009
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No we are NOT FINE WITH THAT!!! I was thinking just this morning, early, over my first coffee of coffee, "Y'know, when this whole debacle finally comes full circle, and all the horses are out of the barn, the FBI will have zero credibility, the CIA will have zero credibility, and every Republican and Democratic Congressperson who ever touched this whole 9/11 and Iraq War situation is going to be twisting in the wind all by themselves.
Most likely, with the two most heinous criminals free and relaxing in their mansions, Cheney and Bush will be none the worse for wear and their fledgling underdogs will pay the price for all time.
This seems to be the product of a wonderful education system in the USA. God is not pleased, and God certainly isn't going to help us out of THIS mess. While the entire nation was lazily sitting on its collective duffs, these amateur politicians (notice, I said politician­s...not crooks) took us for a ride that any third rate carnival operator would be proud of .
So buck up and chin forward.
Now smile! Say cheese!
Dakotahgeo

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:55 AM on 05/15/2009
- ladyv I'm a Fan of ladyv 25 fans permalink

The problem for most people is that the torture was ordered because Cheney wasn't getting anyone to say what he wanted them to say without it. He was doing this *before the Iraq invasion* to try to get someone to claim an al Qaeda/Hussein connection to justify his desire to invade. That's the timeline that Cheney is afraid of seeing elucidated.

Cheney had people tortured for the same reason McCain's captors had him tortured; to get him to say things they knew weren't true, for their own PR purposes.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:35 AM on 05/15/2009
- Stilts9 I'm a Fan of Stilts9 43 fans permalink
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Hucklenuts Graham is running scared, I noticed today.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:52 AM on 05/15/2009
- kevenseven I'm a Fan of kevenseven 501 fans permalink
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Seems to me that Cheeney sure has spent a lot of time on the tube claiming that torture is effective.

As if that did not make it a crime.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:00 AM on 05/15/2009
- eyedocoo7 I'm a Fan of eyedocoo7 8 fans permalink
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You're right, the law made it not a crime.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:08 AM on 05/15/2009

Let me ask you a question , fi they had your family would you do whatever it took to get them back. Remember this was done ubder controled enviroment and with a doctor nothing like what japan and the vietcong did. If it saved lives it was worth it.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:15 AM on 05/15/2009
- eyedocoo7 I'm a Fan of eyedocoo7 8 fans permalink
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Wouldn't it be breaking the law if Bob Graham is taking notes on top secret intelligence briefings?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:51 AM on 05/15/2009
- kevenseven I'm a Fan of kevenseven 501 fans permalink
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Why would it not be breaking the law if BushCo was torturing people?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:58 AM on 05/15/2009
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Per the legal opinions, water boarding is not torture.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:05 AM on 05/15/2009
- eyedocoo7 I'm a Fan of eyedocoo7 8 fans permalink
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That's why we didn't torture anybody.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:09 AM on 05/15/2009
- cigi I'm a Fan of cigi 36 fans permalink

hey eye, put on your glasses and READ the article...­Graham stated :

As for the one briefing he did attend, the Florida Democrat said that he had "no recollection that issues such as waterboarding were discussed.­" He was not, per the sensitive nature of the matters discussed, allowed to take notes at the time. But he did highlight what he considered to be pretty strong proof that the controversial technique was not discussed.

No matter how you want to parse it, waterboarding is a crime and NO LAW ever made that right.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:16 AM on 05/15/2009
- ladyv I'm a Fan of ladyv 25 fans permalink

Read the article, he specified that he did not take notes during the briefings, merely noted the meetings happened, and points out that the security protocol established for briefings of the kind the CIA is claiming occurred would've precluded those meetings being at that location and being attended by lower level staff.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:37 AM on 05/15/2009

This guy is a liar as well. So typical of lying Democrats. The CIA records speak for themselves. Democrats would sell thier souls for a chance to discredit a Republican and lie about to the grave and the gates of hell in the process.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:51 AM on 05/15/2009
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**BREAKING NEWS**

Rachel Maddow talks with Charles Duelfer and journalist Bob Windrem, the sources for the breaking news tying the order to torture an Iraqi (for the purpose of getting a link between Saddam Hussein and 9/11/01, to justify Bush's misbegotten war) to Dick Cheney's office.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NJfG-79y99w

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:45 AM on 05/15/2009
- livesimply I'm a Fan of livesimply 25 fans permalink
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It's amazing to watch this unfold. There is just no cover for these people any more. Pandora's box.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:13 AM on 05/15/2009
- CarmanK I'm a Fan of CarmanK 40 fans permalink

Is there any doubt in anyone's mind that the Bush/Cheny CIA mislead the Congress.?­?? The CIA was an extension of the BUSHies' deception and body of lies to lead this nation into an unprecedented preemptive war in Iraq.. The Bushies were empire builders, seekers of unfettered wealth and power and had only disdain for Congress or any other body that would limit their power .

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:32 AM on 05/15/2009
- kevenseven I'm a Fan of kevenseven 501 fans permalink
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In the here and now, BushCo is guilty of torture, which is a war crime.

The actions of Lincoln are immaterial to the discussion and are only a distraction.

Rather like Pelosi being complicit in a crime that the tr olls don't care to admit that BushCo committed.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:24 AM on 05/15/2009
- moongal6 I'm a Fan of moongal6 76 fans permalink
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Instilling fear and distraction is the R's only strategy.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:29 AM on 05/15/2009
- kevenseven I'm a Fan of kevenseven 501 fans permalink
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Oh, sorry, the supposed actions of Lincoln are immaterial.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:30 AM on 05/15/2009
- eyedocoo7 I'm a Fan of eyedocoo7 8 fans permalink
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There's no statute of limitations on war crimes.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:47 AM on 05/15/2009
- kevenseven I'm a Fan of kevenseven 501 fans permalink
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So your little buttfuckbuddies from BushCo best be careful!

In what way does anything that Lincoln did or did not do pertain to the torture that BushCo committed?

How? How does that relate in any way?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:50 AM on 05/15/2009
- berrycooda I'm a Fan of berrycooda 23 fans permalink

Opening a big can of worms....

Yes you did...no I didn't ...you said that...no I didn't...e­tc...

Get back to the economy and all the people laid off in America...­.
and all the jobs that have been outsourced since NAFTA.....­and all the
tech workers "coming to America" and taking tech jobs from Americans.

Come up with a plan for what to do with the Gitmo prisoners.­...
If you feel so sorry for them, take some home with you N. Pelosi..

Quit crying over spilled milk and making a lot of noise so we can't figure
out what Congress is really doing.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:12 AM on 05/15/2009
- livesimply I'm a Fan of livesimply 25 fans permalink
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Yeah. Your president and his administration left us a lot of really huge messes to try and clean up. Now go back and listen to Rush and Hannity (your cartoons) while the adults try to sort out and clean up some of the mess.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:35 AM on 05/15/2009
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Obama and Democrats aren't doing anything more for the economy. The plutocrats have won.

There's plenty of time and plenty of out of work lawyers who can investigate and prosecute these thieves and thugs.

**BREAKING NEWS**

Rachel Maddow talks with Charles Duelfer and journalist Bob Windrem, the sources for the breaking news tying the order to torture an Iraqi (for the purpose of getting a link between Saddam Hussein and 9/11/01, to justify Bush's misbegotten war) to Dick Cheney's office.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NJfG-79y99w

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:47 AM on 05/15/2009
- cigi I'm a Fan of cigi 36 fans permalink

berry, unlike some of the intellectually "challenged" many of us in America tend to beleive we can handle more than one issue at a time. Life if not always neat and easy to put into little boxes one at a time. I am sure that we as Americans can take fixing the economy and the subject of torture, the two wars abroad, poverty in America, swine flu, and anything else that comes at us in full stride. I love the noise and everyday there is hope that the real stink of the Bush/Cheney fiasco will be fully aired so we can learn from it. After all, we droned on and on for four years over Monica and Bill and Kenneth Starr and millions of dollars of our tax dollars spent on a pimple on a knat's butt debacle and the Pubie ilk enjoyed that...pay­backs sure are hell sometimes aren't they? And the truth shall set you free....no­thing wrong with that!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:23 AM on 05/15/2009
- livesimply I'm a Fan of livesimply 25 fans permalink
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Excellent points and very well put, but please proof read before you post. :)

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:52 AM on 05/15/2009
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