Obama To Revive Military Tribunals For Gitmo Detainees, With More Rights

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LARA JAKES | May 14, 2009 09:38 PM EST | AP

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In this photo, reviewed by the U.S. military, the exercise yard at Guantanamo's Camp 4 detention facility is pictured before dawn, at Guantanamo Bay U.S. Naval Base, Cuba, Thursday, May 14, 2009. (AP Photo/Brennan Linsley)

WASHINGTON — President Barack Obama will restart Bush-era military tribunals for a small number of Guantanamo detainees, reviving a fiercely disputed trial system he once denounced but with new legal protections for terror suspects, U.S. officials said Thursday.

Obama suspended the tribunals within hours of taking office in January, ordering a review but stopping short of abandoning President George W. Bush's strategy of prosecuting suspected terrorists.

The military trials will remain frozen for another four months as the administration adjusts the legal system that is expected to try fewer than 20 of the 241 detainees at the U.S. naval detention center at Guantanamo Bay, Cuba. Thirteen detainees _ including five charged with helping orchestrate the Sept. 11, 2001, attacks _ are already in the tribunal system.

The changes to the system were to be announced Friday. Two senior administration officials outlined several of the rules changes, which will be carried out by executive authority, to The Associated Press on Thursday night. They include:

_Restrictions on hearsay evidence that can be used in court against the detainees.

_A ban on all evidence obtained through cruel, inhuman or degrading treatment. This would include statements given from detainees who were subjected to waterboarding, a form of simulated drowning.

_Giving detainees greater leeway in choosing their own military counsel.

_Protecting detainees who refuse to testify from legal sanctions or other court prejudices.

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The White House may seek additional changes to the military commissions law over the next 120 days, but it was not immediately clear Thursday what they could include. The two senior administration officials spoke on condition of anonymity because Obama had not yet announced the changes.

The tribunal system _ set up after the military began sweeping detainees off the battlefields of Afghanistan in late 2001 _ has been under repeated challenges from human rights and legal organizations because it denied defendants many of the rights they would be granted in a civilian courtroom.

In a statement late Thursday, Sen. Lindsey Graham, R-S.C., called Obama's decision to revamp and restart the tribunals a step toward strengthening U.S. detention policies that have been derided worldwide.

"I continue to believe it is in our own national security interests to separate ourselves from the past problems of Guantanamo," said Graham, who has been working with the administration on issues related to detainees. "I agree with the president and our military commanders that now is the time to start over and strengthen our detention policies. I applaud the president's actions today."

Yet the move by the new Democratic president is certain to face criticism from liberal groups, already stung by his decision Wednesday to try to block the court-ordered release of photos showing U.S. troops abusing prisoners in Iraq and Afghanistan. That decision marked a reversal of his earlier stand on making the photos public.

"It's disappointing that Obama is seeking to revive rather than end this failed experiment," said Jonathan Hafetz, a national security attorney at the American Civil Liberties Union. "There's no detainee at Guantanamo who cannot be tried and shouldn't be tried in the regular federal courts system. Even with the proposed modifications, this will not cure the commissions or provide them with legitimacy. This is perpetuating the Bush administration's misguided detention policy."

Critics of the Guantanamo commissions, including Obama as a senator in 2006, called them a violation of U.S. law because of the limits on detainees' legal rights. Pushed by Bush, Congress created the current tribunal system in 2006 after scrapping an earlier version that gave detainees additional rights.

Obama voted for the earlier version of the tribunals plan that also had the support of four moderate Republicans on the Senate Armed Services Committee. But he opposed the system that Congress ultimately approved, calling it "sloppy."

"We have rushed through a bill that stands a good chance of being challenged once again in the Supreme Court," Obama said in a Sept. 28, 2006, speech on the Senate floor. "This is not how a serious administration would approach the problem of terrorism."

Later, on the presidential campaign trail in February 2008, Obama described the Guantanamo trials as "a flawed military commission system that has failed to convict anyone of a terrorist act since the 9/11 attacks and that has been embroiled in legal challenges."

Three Guantanamo detainees have been convicted in the tribunals so far, a government official said Thursday.

The restrictions on evidence almost certainly will result in only a fraction of detainees who ever will go to trial. The rest of the detainees would either be released, transferred to other nations or tried by civilian prosecutors in U.S. federal courts, an official said.

It's also possible that some could continue to be held indefinitely as prisoners of war with full Geneva Conventions protections, according to another senior U.S. official.

The decision to restart the process puts the administration in a race against the clock to conclude commission trials before the Navy prison is closed, by January 2010. If the trials are still going on, the detainees might have to be brought to the United States, where they would receive even greater legal rights.

Since Obama's executive order to close the prison, Republicans have focused on the issue of where the detainees would go _ and the new Democratic administration's lack of a plan to deal with them. In his Thursday statement, Graham said he would not support allowing detainees to be released into the United States.

"I believe a comprehensive plan should be in place before Guantanamo is closed," he said.

Obama was already up against a May 20 deadline, when the initial 120-day review of the tribunals will end. The trial for Ahmed al-Darbi, a Saudi accused of plotting to attack a ship in the Strait of Hormuz, was scheduled to begin May 27.

WASHINGTON — President Barack Obama will restart Bush-era military tribunals for a small number of Guantanamo detainees, reviving a fiercely disputed trial system he once denounced but with new ...
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- jfrye I'm a Fan of jfrye 7 fans permalink
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"A ban on all evidence obtained through cruel, inhuman or degrading treatment. This would include statements given from detainees who were subjected to waterboarding, a form of simulated drowning."

Can there be even one conviction out of all the detainees?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:07 AM on 05/15/2009
- mcantwell I'm a Fan of mcantwell 493 fans permalink
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The cases would probably be thrown out in federal court, and take years to prosecute, and alot of tax payer money.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:18 AM on 05/15/2009
- somsoc I'm a Fan of somsoc 64 fans permalink
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And your point is....?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:42 AM on 05/15/2009
- HalowFan I'm a Fan of HalowFan 4 fans permalink
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I think what we're seeing here is a man who's taking on way too much at one time. Clearly, the economy has to be job 1. When Obama was talking about how many of the changes he wished to make were harder to push through than he previously thought, citing unspecific decisions that had been made six or seven years before he took office, I believe this is one of the issues he was talking about. I'm not happy about it either, but one thing that gives me hope is that unlike Bush, Obama doesn't have any sadists in his cabinet.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:04 AM on 05/15/2009
- felisa11 I'm a Fan of felisa11 23 fans permalink

The president has no choice but to deal with all the fires when they flare up.

He's handling his business though and doing a fine job

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:07 AM on 05/15/2009
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His business is right! To hell with the people!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:14 AM on 05/15/2009
- somsoc I'm a Fan of somsoc 64 fans permalink
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He is taking the cowardly way out.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:43 AM on 05/15/2009

Haha. More "change we can believe in?" When are we gonna realize that our political system is now comprised of one party masquerading as two in order to prevent a REAL opposition party from getting off the ground.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:58 AM on 05/15/2009
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This one goes out to all the ba-ba-ba-b­atsh!tcraz­ys who keep posting all their buIIsh!t:


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    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:56 AM on 05/15/2009
- felisa11 I'm a Fan of felisa11 23 fans permalink

you shouldn't talk about yourself and your comments like that, it's not healthy for self esteem

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:58 AM on 05/15/2009
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OMG!

Are freakin' serious...

The I know you are but what am I, defense...­.

LMAO

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:06 AM on 05/15/2009
- felisa11 I'm a Fan of felisa11 23 fans permalink

one flu, my bad, i mistook you for a repug

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:39 AM on 05/15/2009
- DannyRose I'm a Fan of DannyRose 27 fans permalink

Ve must hav obedience at all costs!!!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:21 AM on 05/15/2009
- tre I'm a Fan of tre 12 fans permalink

To all of the looney, leftwing liberals here? Send them one for me, too.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:31 AM on 05/15/2009
- DannyRose I'm a Fan of DannyRose 27 fans permalink

Conformity tro// ?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:37 AM on 05/15/2009
- DannyRose I'm a Fan of DannyRose 27 fans permalink

How's it feel to walk in lockstep with the winggers? You know Hannnity, Milller and Larssen, who are absolutely ecstatic.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:38 AM on 05/15/2009
- felisa11 I'm a Fan of felisa11 23 fans permalink

my bad one flu, thought you were a troll, but you're alright.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:38 AM on 05/15/2009
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So NOW I see who the Nov 4th undecideds are.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:55 AM on 05/15/2009
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So are you saying that McCain would have ... oh WTF !?! why bother?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:03 AM on 05/15/2009

Remember the movie "dirty harry"? i bet you far left libs cried when harry shot the rapist/child molester/murderer on the football field and then put his foot in the wound to find out where he had hiddent the young girl didn't you. Yeah, it was fictional and a movie, but i bet you guys get all bent out of shape when you see it.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:53 AM on 05/15/2009
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LunaticLeft, you just nailed the difference between liberals and conservatives. Liberals understand the difference between reality and fiction.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:16 AM on 05/15/2009

Oh no sir. I plainly stated that it was fiction as i knew this would come from a lib.
Learn to read.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:19 AM on 05/15/2009
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The people that believe there is no justification for torture under any circumstances don't view movies like Dirty Harry. We find other means of entertainment.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:19 AM on 05/15/2009
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Did the south win the civil war where you're from, too?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:25 AM on 05/15/2009
- gladys46 I'm a Fan of gladys46 242 fans permalink

As Pelosi says, when you're effective, you're a target ... Hahah, WE WON !!!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:48 AM on 05/15/2009
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What exactly did you WIN? Socialism, fascism, communism, tyranny, war, spending, debt, government secrecy, gun bans, loss of rights and freedom, OK you WON!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:12 AM on 05/15/2009
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How da holy HE!! can you have facism and communism at the same time....al­ong with tyranny?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:17 AM on 05/15/2009
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"Socialism, fascism, communism, tyranny, war, spending, debt, government secrecy, gun bans, loss of rights and freedom"


Dude, Bush is OUT of office....

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:27 AM on 05/15/2009
- benne I'm a Fan of benne 10 fans permalink

Disgusting!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:48 AM on 05/15/2009

isn't it amazing what a dose of reality will do for you?
campaign promises and reality are two different things.
he made the right choice on this one.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:46 AM on 05/15/2009
- gladys46 I'm a Fan of gladys46 242 fans permalink

And what "choice" was that !!? Just so we're clear !

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:50 AM on 05/15/2009
- mcantwell I'm a Fan of mcantwell 493 fans permalink
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Clearly you have no clue what you are talking about. Ignorance of the facts is no excuse.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:55 AM on 05/15/2009

clearly you need to educate yourself and gain some wisdom.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:56 AM on 05/15/2009
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love the way the ultra hard left (woowoo) has twisted President Obama's words to fit their agenda.

He is a pragmatist who has the ability to understand cause and effect,

So keep showing us how out of touch with reality you wingnutz are.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:45 AM on 05/15/2009
- gladys46 I'm a Fan of gladys46 242 fans permalink

So what would you do with detainees that GW left after 7 years of illegal incarcerations !??

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:52 AM on 05/15/2009
- LJB064 I'm a Fan of LJB064 3 fans permalink

Has anybody here seen Barack Obama?
Can you tell me where he's gone?
He made a lot of promises, that's how he got my vote ...
I turned around, and he was gone.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:44 AM on 05/15/2009

Have no fear. You will not be the only vote he loses next go around.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:55 AM on 05/15/2009
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So wait...are you saying you rather have a repub in the white house now?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:59 AM on 05/15/2009

Can anyone explain why those detainees -- less than 20, the article says -- need to have military tribunal trials? What is wrong with our regular court system? If these less than 20 (of the more than 600 that were in Guantanamo) are the hard core as so many Congressmen and journalists say, how hard can it be to get a conviction in a regular court?

It is very disappointing to see no mention whatsoever of the logic behind this decision. What it does do is give a strong impression that Cheney/Rumsfeld had it right from the start. Sure, some of the more egregious unjust elements of the tribunal trials have been removed, but it is still, as the ACLU claims, a system set up to get convictions first, not justice. This decision does more to harm our troops than any release of pictures has or ever will, because it shows that the US does not live by its own "principles".

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:40 AM on 05/15/2009
- MIVOTE I'm a Fan of MIVOTE 170 fans permalink
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Less than 20 is not equal to 241. If you get it right certainly your average should be above 30%

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:42 AM on 05/15/2009

The article specifically said that less than 20 detainees would be tried under the tribunal system. That's what I referred to.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:55 AM on 05/15/2009

No one wants to have these trials in their cities. ask the city who put what his name, mussowi or whatever, they swore off doing it again. besides, it will take years to try each one at our expense.
why on earth would you want to further bog our courts down with these idiots? i cannot understand you libs.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:48 AM on 05/15/2009
- mcantwell I'm a Fan of mcantwell 493 fans permalink
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Some will still be tried in the U.S. There are multiple reasons, some have to do with Congress. Read this NYT article: http://www.nytimes.com/2009/05/15/us/politics/15gitmo.html?hp

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:58 AM on 05/15/2009

The unspoken problem with trying the 20 detainees in US legal system is that they will guaranteed go free and not because they're innocent. There is a legal precedent where all incriminating evidence that can be originated from certain tainted sources (i.e. - torture, confessions without a legal representation, etc.) get discarded from trial. Not just information obtained by torture, but corroborating evidence which could be traced to a piece of information obtained by illegal methods.

That's my guess why Obama's relenting to military tribunals. The argument could be given that the defendants are being given a "fair" trial, even though by US legal standards, there's no chance the defendants could be convicted. Throw in executive control of "sensitive" information, and it makes sense. There are civil libertarians who will argue that justice requires releasing 20 KNOWN terrorists, but I'm guessing that's a pill Obama & Co. can't swallow. I'm not so sure if it would be a terrible thing just to let them go free, and then assassinate them once they leave US soil. Sure, people will point fingers, but if done right, there would be no truly incriminating proof.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:35 AM on 05/15/2009

So wait, let me see if I have this straight..­. When you take a marked turn from previous statements or believes because of a change in information or an adjustment to failed policies so that they can at least come in step with more humane and acceptable policies then you are nothing more than a liar and deceiver?

So basically if one is to campaign on a certain platform then they cannot for any reason whatsoever change or adjust their original position? So what i'm hearing is that if you are a left leaning liberal or a right leaning conservative then you cannot for any reason change from that. You are not allowed the pleasure of modifying your original beliefs or platform issues when you are confronted with more extensive information and advice from military and national security officals?

If this is the case then you should not have voted for a man who has a record of being fairly pragmatic. I would think that people would be more aware at how nuanced this particular president is and how he tries to stay middle of the road and not have to pander to his base.

Oscar Wilde in all is wit once said: "Those who try to lead the people can only do so by following the mob"
Perhaps it will be a good thing that this president is not going to follow the mob of the base of his party.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:32 AM on 05/15/2009
- felisa11 I'm a Fan of felisa11 23 fans permalink

So wait, let me see if I have this straight..­. When you take a marked turn from previous statements or believes because of a change in information or an adjustment to failed policies so that they can at least come in step with more humane and acceptable policies then you are nothing more than a liar and deceiver?

You have just completely decribed the Republican rationale on voting for the war criminal bush adminstration.

They apply this thinking to everything­,.it easier, otherwise they would get a headache from thinking

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:39 AM on 05/15/2009
- MIVOTE I'm a Fan of MIVOTE 170 fans permalink
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Great post Kido!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:40 AM on 05/15/2009
- LOUMINATTI I'm a Fan of LOUMINATTI 3 fans permalink

What a stupidpost

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:41 AM on 05/15/2009
- MIVOTE I'm a Fan of MIVOTE 170 fans permalink
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Logic is hard for you to follow it seems.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:43 AM on 05/15/2009
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No that would be flip flopping, according to the Bush wing of society.

Go with what you feel and stick to your guns no matter what.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:42 AM on 05/15/2009
- bedfordny I'm a Fan of bedfordny 145 fans permalink

So true. Remember? Bush was always thinking with his gut.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:57 AM on 05/15/2009
- FGDinVA I'm a Fan of FGDinVA 103 fans permalink
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Yes. "Logic" doesn't fit into their favorite slogan because it doesn't begin with "G" - "God, Guts and Guns". I mean, "God, Guts and Logic" - how lame is that?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:02 AM on 05/15/2009
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Best point so far

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:42 AM on 05/15/2009
- jazzman I'm a Fan of jazzman 235 fans permalink
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Politicians have political capital when they come into office that they can spend. When a politician makes a move that offends his or her base, they spend capital. Obama spends capital as he restores, excuses, or continues practices of the Bush administration that so many found heinious.
Obama spends capital when he triangulates, waters down, and rolls over to business and conservative interests that brought our economy to our knees and have put an onerous burden of health care costs on the American citizen.

Right now, Obama is spending down his capital rapidly. He must think that he doesn't have to address the concerns of progressives or that progressives are stupid and that he can pretend to have progressive policies that really just cater to corporate interests because they have no place to go.

However, he should rethink that idea. Progressives are not stupid and they can spot a sell out when they see it. It's the youth of the nation and progressives that lifted Obama on their back and brought him to the White House. If he keeps up his bait and switch strategy he will find that he has no place to go either. Republicans are never going to vote for him and if progressives lose heart, they won't be coming out in droves to help him get elected a second time.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:32 AM on 05/15/2009
- LJB064 I'm a Fan of LJB064 3 fans permalink

I agree completely with this post. The "hard left" has got to be realistic, and can't demand that liberal politicians kow-tow to them. Obama has to steer a middle course on many, many issues, not only to keep from polarizing the country (which would be a huge loss for liberals) but also because he is the preseident of all the people and, as he has said, the ship odf state turns by degrees. Even running to succeed the worst president ever, he only won by a slim margin.

I get all that. But this was a clear, discrete point that he ran on, and had already won. There is no logical objection to giving the detainees fair trials in U.S. courts (despite the Republican fear that the detainees would somehow escape Joliet and go rampaging through our streets). Why give back on this one? Lindsey Graham and the rest must think it's Christmas.

Even the Republicans cringe at the Bush administration's record on civil liberties - why are Obama and Holder voluntarily giving up the high ground, and following Bush on these issues? These were my key issues in the last election. If this keeps up, Obama will get my vote again (I'll have no choice), but he won't get my money or my time.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:08 AM on 05/15/2009
- DannyRose I'm a Fan of DannyRose 27 fans permalink

Excellent!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:21 AM on 05/15/2009
- manumoka I'm a Fan of manumoka 2 fans permalink
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This article and headline are somewhat misleading. And most of the comments are confused.

If anyone is able to remember back to nearly a year ago, you might recall that the Supreme Court said the detainees need to be tried with certain constitutional protections. The administration is reversing the prior system which did not have those constitutional protections, and which was therefore found unconstitutional. That's a big step in the direction of constitutional procedures where there used to be none.

This issue isn't really that complicated, and shouldn't be that controversial.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:31 AM on 05/15/2009
- mcantwell I'm a Fan of mcantwell 493 fans permalink
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Not to mention HP is recycling weeks old news stories again. NYT ran this story on May 1st.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:32 AM on 05/15/2009
- gladys46 I'm a Fan of gladys46 242 fans permalink

Repubs seem to be virulent in their need to misquote, mislead and misunderst­and... jumping off cliffs for the he^l of it !

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:39 AM on 05/15/2009
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More power to them.

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