Pelosi: CIA Briefing Notes Should Be Released

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First Posted: 05-14-09 01:38 PM   |   Updated: 05-14-09 03:18 PM

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House Speaker Nancy Pelosi called Thursday for the release of notes from a CIA briefing in 2002. Pelosi, a California Democrat, said that the agency is lying when it says that she was briefed on the ongoing use of waterboarding and that, rather, she was only told that the administration had determined that they could use the technique in the future.

The notes, she said, would show that she is telling the truth. "I would be very happy if they would release the briefings," she said.

Rep. Pete Hoekstra (R-Mich.), who read those notes at CIA headquarters last Thursday, did not dispute her characterization. Hoekstra was asked, after Pelosi's comments, if the notes would show her to have been untruthful.

"I'm not going to make that judgment based on those materials. I think there's a lot of information that needs to be available to us to get into that," he said. Hoekstra is preparing a "broader document release request from the CIA," he added, and will be requesting notes from before and after the meeting to attempt to ascertain the purpose of the briefing.

But, he said, the only people who know the truth were those in the room. "I can't make that judgment. I was not in that meeting. I know that there were people in that meeting with a very different recollection of the meeting and what was told," he said. "Only the people that were in the meeting know today." Hoekstra too called for the release of the notes.

George Little, a spokesman for the CIA, said that the agency's assertion that Pelosi was briefed accurately reflect its records, which are based on the recollections of agents.

"The language in the chart -- 'a description of the particular EITs that had been employed' -- is true to the language in the Agency's records," he said. EIT stands for "enhanced interrogation techniques," a euphemism for torture.

The chart Little is referring to lists Pelosi as a member of Congress briefed on interrogation methods. Pelosi disputes the accuracy of that chart.

CIA Director Leon Panetta, in a letter to Congress, said the he couldn't be certain the chart was accurate. This information, however, is drawn from the past files of the CIA and represents MFRs [Memorandum For the Records] completed at the time and notes that summarized the best recollections of those individuals. In the end, you and the Committee will have to determine whether this information is an accurate summary of what actually happened. We can make the MFRs available at CIA for staff review," he wrote.

Ryan Grim is the author of the forthcoming book This Is Your Country On Drugs: The Secret History of Getting High in America

House Speaker Nancy Pelosi called Thursday for the release of notes from a CIA briefing in 2002. Pelosi, a California Democrat, said that the agency is lying when it says that she was briefed on the o...
House Speaker Nancy Pelosi called Thursday for the release of notes from a CIA briefing in 2002. Pelosi, a California Democrat, said that the agency is lying when it says that she was briefed on the o...
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- Scriobhaim I'm a Fan of Scriobhaim 8 fans permalink

Pelosi only had to sing one song for eight years, a song of hate passionately devoted to GWB. For six of those years she had the added luxury of singing it in "minority opposition" role, meaning "all attack, no accountability". In short, the song required no brains - therefore, she sang it marvelously, crooned it to her constituents and financial supporters, luxuriated in her self-image as White Knight(ess) slashing away at George the Dragon. And now... she can't shift her vocal chords into another gear. She's still galloping away, raising the lance at the great big windmill she thinks it's her divine calling to bring down... hardly noticing he's not in office anymore. It clouds her thinking (such as it is) and leads to the clumsy, oafish rendition of her worn-out song which she performed at that press conference. She can't even differentiate between career CIA people and Bush-Cheney "operatives". All Nancy Pelosi has learned in her career is how to oil the machine, which isn't at all the same thing as sound character and sound governance. In her lust for Bush-bashing, even post-mortem, she threw logic to the winds and spewed unadulterated, vitriolic politico-babble. Most significantly, even the Obama White House knew she'd gone off the deep end and, clearly, gave CIA the green light to put Madam Speaker in her place. That must be the deepest cut. I wonder if Pelosi will glow QUITE so much next time Obama speaks to Congress.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:14 AM on 05/21/2009

well said

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:48 PM on 05/21/2009
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From madkane.com: The โ€œWe Did Nothing Wrong, & Nancy Should Have Stopped Usโ€ Song
Republicans are truly gifted at changing the subject, and the media falls for it every time. Take CIA torture, for instance. Is the media focusing on who in the Bush administration broke the law and ordered torture? Of course not! Instead, the topicโ€™s morphed into whether Nancy Pelosi is lying when she says the CIA misled Congress about torture.

Following Republican logic is never an easy task. But from what I can gather, hereโ€™s the Republican position: Bushโ€™s CIA did nothing wrong, & Pelosi could have and should have stopped them.

In honor of the Republicans tortured position on torture, Iโ€™ve written them a theme song to the tune of Stephen Fosterโ€™s Camptown Races:

The CIA did nothing wrong.
Doo-da, Doo-da.
Pelosi knew and went along.
Oh, de doo-da day.

Torture is always right.
Torture can make our day.
And Nancyโ€™s nothing but a lying nag.
She could have got in the way.

Interrogation must be tough.
Doo-da, Doo-da.
Pelosi knew we got too rough.
Oh, de doo-da day.

Never did break no laws.
Torture? Who, us? No way!
Pelosiโ€™s nothing but a lying hag.
Nancy would lead you astray.

The CIA protects us all.
Doo-da, Doo-da.
Itโ€™s time Pelosi took the fall.
Oh, de doo-da day.

Torture was never done.
Torture is lots of fun.
And Nancyโ€™s nothing but a lying nag.
Nancy Pelosi should pay.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:13 PM on 05/17/2009
- Scriobhaim I'm a Fan of Scriobhaim 8 fans permalink

"Following Republican logic is never [for rabiddog] an easy task."
Could that be, rabbiddog, because it's ... logic?
I think most people can get this. Do try: If Pelosi was so incensed, outraged and apoplectic over the Bush policies and the methods of the CIA, then why didn't she act on her principles before it was politically convenient for her?
I repeat, rabiddog, the logic really isn't all that challenging. Do try to keep up.
I haven't heard any Republicans saying "the policies were wrong and Pelosi should have stopped them." What I HAVE heard is Republicans saying Pelosi is a hypocrite for not standing up THEN if SHE thought it was so wrong. The clear implication is, she wasn't really all that strung out about them then (which makes her a liar now); either that or she was too intimidated by the political winds to say anything (which makes her a hypocrite and liar both now AND then).
Are these distinctions too... mmm, subtle for you? I know it's not an easy task, but, really, do try, rabiddog. Think it out. You'll get it eventually.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:18 AM on 05/21/2009
- BocaMom I'm a Fan of BocaMom 17 fans permalink

It's time for Nancy to step down. I trust Panetta a lot more than Pelosi. Besides, she is damaging Obama's Presidency. From his stimulus bill to now getting in the way of major changes. For Obama to succeed, Pelosi needs to go for the good of the party and the country.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:08 PM on 05/16/2009

Our COUNTRY needs to succeed, depsite Obama and Pelosi. There a lot more issues than Pelosi, although she is 3rd in line, and she is in need of a swift kick to the rear for many things besides this CIA thing.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:51 PM on 05/21/2009
- jimme I'm a Fan of jimme 11 fans permalink

This klown,Left-Target, sure has a thing for NP. He was there at the briefings and KNOWS everything,don't ya' know. To say she is lying, without having personally been there, is moronic to say the least. When all of the facts surface,then make your judgement about her. Until then, don't post hearsay and false accusations.
What do you say about Congressman Grahams,a Repub, assertions that he was also mislead?
Are you saying he's also lying?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:53 AM on 05/16/2009

I adhere to innocent until proven guilty and it does sound like a lot of he said she said. I do think the CIA has to be somewhat secretive in certain respects and it would not surprise me to hear that they don't disclose 1005 fo the truth to Congress(no matter who in the majority). If they did, they maye endanger some of their missions and operatives. Fine line here. Pelosi though, seems to in a pickle.....

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:54 PM on 05/21/2009

All during the Bush administration, stuff "leaked" out. How do you all know Pelosi didn't stir the pot to bring some of the photos out?

I still haven't had an answer to my question; what should she have done?

Notes of a briefing are not the same as the actual briefing.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:32 PM on 05/15/2009

Exactly. When you hire based on ideology rather than competence, it is difficult to discern how the notes may have been filtered.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:04 PM on 05/15/2009

Republicans hate Nancy Pelosi's guts, why?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:52 AM on 05/15/2009
- Kassandra I'm a Fan of Kassandra 109 fans permalink
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#1 - shes';a womon
#2 - She keeps sending those pesky "for the people bills to the Senate where they have to shoot them down. What a drag.
It's not just the Republicans who don't like Pelosi, the Blue Dawgs want to get rid of her; she'd throwing a wrench in their corporatist agenda.
I sure hope we don't lose this brave, honorable womon. she may be the only one standing between US and total corporate control. If one person can do this; if it's not too late already.
I've got your back Ms. Pelsoi!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:11 PM on 05/15/2009

but does she have yours you delusional twit

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:56 PM on 05/21/2009
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Who was the Speaker during this time?----->Hastert (R) Il.

Who was Senate leader? -----> Frist (R) TN.

What did they know and when did they know it?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:28 AM on 05/15/2009

Well that's a good point, but because the republicans don't consider it torture it doesn't matter if they knew about because they support it, but the media just loves to leave this fact out.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:05 PM on 05/16/2009

if making these alleged terrorists a bit "uncomfortable" helps our country ferret out terrorist plots and protect our citizens then string 'em up and dunk 'em some more.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:59 PM on 05/21/2009

Just what Obama needed another blunder by Pelosi...she sure did not look very elliquent at the press conference.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:13 AM on 05/15/2009

ba-deep ba-deep ba-deep that's all folks

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:59 PM on 05/21/2009

Okay, I get all this...But HELLO! This is NOT the issue...it doesn't matter what she knew or didn't know. What matters is who AUTHORIZED it. Who was in charge? Who signed off on it. It bothers me that we are being distracted by this.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:11 AM on 05/15/2009
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i have never been a fan of Pelosi so like most of you frauds I'm biased ... but her performance in that press conference was awful, just awful. Na na na hey hey hey goodbye.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:05 AM on 05/15/2009

Pelosi has a defence, She's to smart to fall into a republican trap,.Check out emptywheel.firedoglake.com/prior/notification/to/congress

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:21 AM on 05/15/2009
- Kristen777 I'm a Fan of Kristen777 48 fans permalink
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Pelosi is a wolf in sheeps clothing. I pray to god that San Francisco wises up to her shenanigans. She's a fake.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:47 PM on 05/15/2009

could be

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:01 PM on 05/21/2009
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NP, release your notes on the Sept. briefing.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:29 AM on 05/15/2009
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Hastert and Frist should be release their notes first.

They were the Speaker of the House and the Senate majority
leaders at the time.

Why aren't they being questioned? Hmmmm?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:39 AM on 05/15/2009
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Because they haven't told the public a big fat lie and have not accused the nations intel agency of lying to Congress on a regular basis.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:51 AM on 05/15/2009
- Scriobhaim I'm a Fan of Scriobhaim 8 fans permalink

Clearly this whole thing has gone right over your head, fairyduster. Hastert and Frist aren't the ones who oafishly created a hullaballoo about being "lied to" by the CIA. It's Pelosi.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:10 AM on 05/21/2009

I guess we will need to have an investigation to clear up the whole mess. We can't have the Republicans running around breaking laws by torturing human beings, now can we? Their defense is "we broke the law to save the lives of American people".

They frame the problem to make it seem that Americans must decide if they "had" to break the law or not.

They call it "pre-emptive self-defense".

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:41 AM on 05/15/2009
- WTF1956 I'm a Fan of WTF1956 3 fans permalink
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So the CIA Lies, "They lie all the time" according to Miss Pelosi. I watch the nightly political shows. I take everything with a grain of salt and sift through it, because I know all the commentators are coming at me from a biased approach. Last night I did hear something that might make some sense. Ms. Pelosi is accusing the CIA of wilfully breaking the law. It is against the law to lie to Congress. Although, you have to wonder why she would need to find her statement inorder to espose the truth. She didn't look to go during that press conference.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:27 AM on 05/15/2009
- fallout4U I'm a Fan of fallout4U 30 fans permalink
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She went too far today. The CIA will end her stay in Washington. Thanks Nancy, you commited political sui-cide today.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:42 AM on 05/15/2009
- stell I'm a Fan of stell 21 fans permalink

The only thing worse that the House Speaker is the extreme left-wing Democrats that guarantee her perpetual re-election.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:07 AM on 05/15/2009
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