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First Posted: 05-17-09 01:39 PM   |   Updated: 06-17-09 05:12 AM

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SOUTH BEND, Ind. -- President Barack Obama strode head-on Sunday into the stormy abortion debate and told graduates at America's leading Roman Catholic university that both sides must stop demonizing one another.

Obama acknowledged that "no matter how much we want to fudge it ... the fact is that at some level, the views of the two camps are irreconcilable." But he still implored the University of Notre Dame's graduating class and all in the U.S. to stop "reducing those with differing views to caricature. Open hearts. Open minds. Fair-minded words. It's a way of life that always has been the Notre Dame tradition."

One of the noisiest controversies of his young presidency flared after Obama, who supports abortion rights but says the procedure should be rare, was invited to speak at the school and receive an honorary degree. "I do not suggest that the debate surrounding abortion can or should go away," the president said.

The Rev. John Jenkins, Notre Dame's president, introduced Obama and praised the president for not being "someone who stops talking to those who disagree with him." Jenkins said too little attention has been paid to Obama's decision to speak at an institution that opposes his abortion policy.

Ahead of Obama's address, at least 27 people were arrested on trespassing charges. They included Norma McCorvey, the plaintiff identified as "Roe" in the Roe v. Wade Supreme Court decision that legalized abortion. She now opposes abortion and joined more than 300 anti-abortion demonstrators at the school's front gate.

More than half held signs, some declaring "Shame on Notre Dame" and "Stop Abortion Now" to express their anger over Notre Dame's invitation to Obama.

Obama entered the arena to thunderous applause and a standing ovation from many in the crowd of 12,000. But as the president began his commencement address, at least three protesters interrupted it. One yelled, "Stop killing our children."

The graduates responded by chanting "Yes we can," the slogan that became synonymous with Obama's presidential campaign. Obama seem unfazed, saying Americans must be able to deal with things that make them "uncomfortable."

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The president ceded no ground. But he said those on each side of the debate "can still agree that this is a heart-wrenching decision for any woman to make, with both moral and spiritual dimensions.

"So let's work together to reduce the number of women seeking abortions by reducing unintended pregnancies, and making adoption more available, and providing care and support for women who do carry their child to term."

He said he favored "a sensible conscience clause" that would give anti-abortion health care providers the right to refuse to perform the procedure.

Before taking on the abortion issue, Obama told graduates they were part of a "generation that must find a path back to prosperity and decide how we respond to a global economy that left millions behind even before this crisis hit an economy where greed and short-term thinking were too often rewarded at the expense of fairness, and diligence, and an honest day's work."

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Obama's appearance appeared additionally complicated by fresh polls that show Americans' attitudes on the issue have shifted toward the anti-abortion position.

A Gallup survey released Friday found that 51 percent of those questioned call themselves "pro-life" on the issue of abortion and 42 percent "pro-choice." This is the first time a majority of U.S. adults have identified themselves as "pro-life" since Gallup began asking this question in 1995.

Just a year ago, Gallup found that 50 percent termed themselves "pro-choice" while 44 percent described their beliefs as "pro-life."

A Pew Research Center survey found public opinion about abortion more closely divided than it has been in several years.

Pew said its latest polling found that 28 percent said abortion should be legal in most cases while 18 percent said all cases. Forty-four percent of those surveyed were opposed to abortion in most or all cases.

Gallup said shifting opinions lay almost entirely with Republicans or independents who lean Republican, with opposition among those groups rising over the past year from 60 percent to 70 percent.

The abortion issue also is front and center as Obama considers potential nominees to fill the vacancy left by the retirement this summer of Justice David Souter. Abortion opponents are determined to see Roe v. Wade overturned, but only four court justices out of nine have backed that position. Souter has opposed arguments for overturning the ruling.

The Catholic Church and many other Christian denominations hold that abortion and the use of embryos for stem cell research amount to the destruction of human life, are morally wrong and should be banned by law.

The contrary argument holds that women have the right to terminate a pregnancy and that unused embryos created outside the womb for couples who cannot otherwise conceive should be available for stem cell research. Such research holds the promise of finding treatments for debilitating ailments.

Within weeks of taking office in January, Obama eased an executive order by President George W. Bush that limited research to a small number of stem-cell strains.

On the Notre Dame campus, members of an abortion rights group also protested while a plane pulling an anti-abortion banner circled above. Tara Makowski of Seattle, who received a master's degree Saturday from the school, said she was dismayed by the way Notre Dame was being characterized.

"Seeing us being portrayed nationally as radical conservative has been really tough," she said. "People need to realize that the majority of students and faculty" favored Obama's visit.

But Bishop John D'Arcy, whose diocese includes Notre Dame, skipped commencement. He attended an open-air Mass and rally. He said he wanted to support the students protesting Obama's speech.

"All of you are heroes, and I'm proud to stand with you," he said.

Obama was the ninth president to receive an honorary degree from Notre Dame and sixth sitting president to address graduates. Other commencement speakers have included Dwight Eisenhower, Jimmy Carter, Ronald Reagan, George H.W. Bush and George W. Bush.

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Before returning to Washington, Obama stopped in Indianapolis for two fundraisers. About 40 people attended a $15,000-per-couple Democratic National Committee event, which raised between $300,000 and $400,000.

About 650 people attended a second fundraiser for four Indiana Democratic congressmen. That dinner cost $250-$5,000 per person.

Indiana is a traditionally conservative state that Obama carried in the presidential election.

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Associated Press writer Tom Coyne contributed to this report.


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While Obama should be congratulated for his ability to maintain a calm and cool demeanor in the face of adversity, feminists and all women need to hold tightly to their beliefs and demand the right to an abortion. At On The Issues Magazine, Merle Hoffman argues in "Higher Ground, Not Common Ground," that standing on common ground is akin to capitulation, and calls on an unapologetic women's movement.

"As feminists who fight battles against those who would deny women’s freedom and equality, we know the mettle of our enemies. They are relentless, committed beyond secular principles, willing to look at things in the very long term, absolutely sure of their righteousness and totally determined."

http://www.ontheissuesmagazine.com/2009spring/2009spring_publisher.php

    Favorite     Flag as abusive Posted 10:35 AM on 5/19/2009
- cbeenthere I'm a Fan of cbeenthere 4 fans permalink

And while you are at it Mr.Jazzman I would like to recommend a film---- The Magdalen Laundries. Maybe it will open your mind which is shut like a steel trap.

    Favorite     Flag as abusive Posted 06:56 PM on 5/18/2009
- Principaldad I'm a Fan of Principaldad 192 fans permalink

Excellent point. However, the name of the film that I am familiar with is "The Magdalene Sisters".

    Favorite     Flag as abusive Posted 07:42 PM on 5/18/2009
- cbeenthere I'm a Fan of cbeenthere 4 fans permalink

Thanks you are correct. For some reason I thought they changed the title to eliminate the word sisters, because of the nun aspect. Who knew young women in Ireland were going through this punishment as late as 1994.

    Favorite     Flag as abusive Posted 09:31 AM on 5/19/2009
- daisydukes I'm a Fan of daisydukes 2 fans permalink

What an awe inspiring individual President Obama is just in the way that he places hot button social issues in a a way that it compels one to think things through a different way than the usual impulsive, implosive and litteral way. What an honor to be part of that graduation class I know will be remebered for decades to come. How blessed we are to be the ones who have this man as president. I believe, when God made presidents, he was thinking of this young scrawny boy born in Hawaii, along the way struggling with his own racial identity and emerging strongly, fighting for the little people and vowing to give a voice to the voiceless as the 44th president of United States. This was truly his time and it could not have come any sooner for us.

    Favorite     Flag as abusive Posted 06:16 PM on 5/18/2009

I loved his speech...and I found it hilarious that his Secret Service Agent was sitting on the stage with him in a gown as well looking mean....I kept saying "what's wrong with him?" but remembered that I see him everywhere with Obama....gotta love that security!!!

    Favorite     Flag as abusive Posted 02:30 PM on 5/18/2009
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Others have said it, and I echo the sentiment. A pro-life position makes a mockery of the position when it is played out in the real world as life beginning at conception, and ending at birth. Pro-life merely as an anti-choice motivation, and anti-those who choose to differ from you, is unreasonable and is not coherent. In other words, unmitigated support of the death penalty, or non-support of Head Start or programs for the poor under the guise of fiscal fealty, or insensitivity to the human costs and suffering resulting from waging wars of choice, or not supporting efforts to bring fairness and honesty to our tax and fiscal policies in the face of greed and in the name of capitalism's natural order, are collectively at odds with faux pro-life rationales.

    Favorite     Flag as abusive Posted 01:37 PM on 5/18/2009
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thinking of ways we can get one of them to sign that as a confession. ideas anyone ?

    Favorite     Flag as abusive Posted 01:41 PM on 5/18/2009
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I would agree that life does not begin at conception. Are the eggs not life? The whole argument about when life begins makes me dizzy, just going around in circles.

I don't belive we can generalize and claim that pro lifers believe life ends at live birth.

People grasp at anything floating in the water to support all kinds of specious claims; I don't think this can be blamed on pro lifers.

    Favorite     Flag as abusive Posted 02:38 PM on 5/18/2009
- Tyler-Durden I'm a Fan of Tyler-Durden 269 fans permalink
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i've never heard of this point that life ends at live birth.

but it makes sense.

cuz conservatives have NO PROBLEM with sending droves of poor young men and women to war to fight and die for their greed.

HOW CAN YOU CALL ABORTION TAKING A LIFE, BUT SUPPORT WAR? HYPOCRISY!
HOW CAN YOU CALL ABORTION MURDER, BUT SUPPORT GUNS? HYPOCRISY!!

    Favorite     Flag as abusive Posted 03:01 PM on 5/18/2009
- kindmind I'm a Fan of kindmind permalink

I volunteered with NARAL in college almost 30 years ago. Middle ground can only come about through fact. Sympathy and emotion has ruled this issue on both sides. Since the dawn of man abortion has happened and it's going to continue so it just needs to be safe and to be safe it needs to be legal and done so in a way that it is not misused.

    Favorite     Flag as abusive Posted 01:11 PM on 5/18/2009
- FairTalk I'm a Fan of FairTalk 18 fans permalink
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Can you give some examples of "misuse?"

    Favorite     Flag as abusive Posted 02:41 PM on 5/18/2009
- Tyler-Durden I'm a Fan of Tyler-Durden 269 fans permalink
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example: misuse of abortion = women who have had more than 6 abortions because that is the only form of birth control they will use.

sad but true

    Favorite     Flag as abusive Posted 03:02 PM on 5/18/2009
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From the speech: "Maybe we won't agree on abortion, but we can still agree that this is a heart-wrenching decision for any woman to make, with both moral and spiritual dimensions."

If abortion is OK, than why is it a "heart wrenching decision."??

Reply Favorite Flag as abusive Posted 12:53 PM on 05/18/2009

Since Lord Limbaugh posed the question you asked here, the very obvious answer is the fact that people make heart wrenching decisions all the time. From decisions about abortion, to weather to keep a family member on life support. They are tough decisions, that are personal.

    Favorite     Flag as abusive Posted 01:11 PM on 5/18/2009
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Exactly.

Lots of decisions are heart-wrenching and tough. A loved one on life support. Putting an aged parent in a nursing home. Breaking an engagement. Putting a beloved pet down.

Just because a decision is a tough one, it doesn't mean one should take away the right to make it.

    Favorite     Flag as abusive Posted 01:20 PM on 5/18/2009
- KarenT I'm a Fan of KarenT 277 fans permalink

Jazzman is trying to get someone to say "because it's difficult to take a life". Sorry, we won't go there. It is gut wrenching because it's a difficult choice to decide not to carry a pregnancy to full term. There are many difficult decisions one has to make in one's life. Maybe you have just never had to make one so have no empathy for the people that do. Oh, I forgot....empathy is now a dirty word for the right.

    Favorite     Flag as abusive Posted 01:25 PM on 5/18/2009
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empathy is cost prohibitive to the right....

    Favorite     Flag as abusive Posted 01:28 PM on 5/18/2009
- postman66 I'm a Fan of postman66 749 fans permalink
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You missed my point by a mile.

    Favorite     Flag as abusive Posted 01:33 PM on 5/18/2009
- Bocababs I'm a Fan of Bocababs 24 fans permalink

Having seen the entire speech LIVE on CNN and the beginning of it on FOX to see how they were covering it, I found the speech beautifully done. I cried at some of it.....it really touched a nerve inside me. I thought our President handled it with grace and diplomacy.

    Favorite     Flag as abusive Posted 01:09 PM on 5/18/2009
- GHO I'm a Fan of GHO 21 fans permalink

Ah, abortion...the never ending argument. :(

Politics in general, and abortion especially, reminds me of a jumbo jet - the noise is all coming from the left and right wings, but the people are pretty much clustered in the middle.

I'm admittedly on the right side, in a window seat :) As such, I do not like abortion. HOWEVER, I have my limits too. I think it would be unconscionable to require victims of rape or incest to carry a child of that rape or incest to term. Thus, I have a practical problem - once you make an exception, the door's wide open. Barring abortion while leaving an exception for rape victims would only lead to a lot of false rape claims.

I will say this - there are over 1 million abortions in this country a year. That means that in just the time it took me to post this note, 10-20 unborn children were aborted.
Roughly 1 in 5 pregnancies in the US end in abortion.
Only a hopeless idealogue could see these facts as anything less than a national tragedy.

    Favorite     Flag as abusive Posted 01:08 PM on 5/18/2009
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Where are you getting the number. Because the number is roughly 21 abortions per 1000 pregnancies in the US. That's a lot if you consider the number of pregnancies in any given year, but hardly 1 in 5.

Are you counting miscarriages?

    Favorite     Flag as abusive Posted 01:16 PM on 5/18/2009
- GHO I'm a Fan of GHO 21 fans permalink

Number came from the 1.2 million abortions vs. 4.8 million live births in the country - I think year was 2007. Admittedly, I've not looked it up lately. Miscarriages not figured into either the numerator or denominator.

    Favorite     Flag as abusive Posted 01:26 PM on 5/18/2009
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I forgot to ask where you got the 21/1000 numbers. They don't sound right. If abortion only accounts for 1 pregnancy in 48, even allowing for several million miscarriages a year (there are really typically about 1 million), that would mean about 50 million live births per year - in a country with only about 60 million women of child bearing age.

    Favorite     Flag as abusive Posted 01:58 PM on 5/18/2009
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It has been 36 years since Roe vs Wade.

How many Republican administrations have we had during that time?
How many Republican controlled congresses?
How many Republican (conservative) Supreme Court Judges?

This is just a "Hot Button" issue for the Republicans. They have no interest in changing the status quo.

I agree with our President. We need to reduce the number of abortions by educating all (men & women) about responsible birth control...Support for those who choose to give birth rather than abort...Making adoption easier...etc.

These are intelligent ways to reduce the amount of abortions.

Over-turning Roe vs Wade would not elimintate abortions. Abortions were done illegally before Roe vs Wade and many women died under unsafe conditions.

    Favorite     Flag as abusive Posted 01:01 PM on 5/18/2009
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Abortion is the humane euthanasia of humanity! Until the third trimester the fetus cannot feel pain and is therefore not sentient. So abortion during the first six months is just fine. And if those anti abortion folks care so much about humanity then maybe they ought to find ways to eliminate suffering when the kid is born. Some 3 thousand a day die in Africa due to unsafe drinking water. Kids are eating “crap” in school lunch programs. But that little fetus is the most important thing…what a joke!

    Favorite     Flag as abusive Posted 12:55 PM on 5/18/2009
- poster1122 I'm a Fan of poster1122 34 fans permalink

Technical sentience (defined as the ability to feel subjectively) is not the same thing as personhood (though the terms are often mistakenly conflated by the science fiction genre), We actually do have people walking around (children, adults even) who don't have the ability to feel pain, yet they clearly are people and have rights as such.

The hard question is what constitutes a person? Consciousness is often used as a criterium. The ability to have higher brain functions is sometimes used (certainly when determining if someone is dead). The religious among us use the presence of a soul, though that presents problems when trying to quantify that.

BTW, to your point, the nerve receptors for feeling pain start spreading between 8-16 weeks. So, well before the 3rd trimester. You can see fetal reactions to accidental pricks by an amniocentesis needle, for instance.

    Favorite     Flag as abusive Posted 01:15 PM on 5/18/2009
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technically, is there a woman invovled in this anywhere, didn't see any mention...

    Favorite     Flag as abusive Posted 01:39 PM on 5/18/2009
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I cannot understand your comment that we have people walking around who can't feel pain. if they can walk, then ther are feeling.

Sentient being is the standard definition of live in Buddhism.

Certainly a fetus cannot experience consciouness.

Actually, it is well documented that the brain develops in the last month, and I am willing to give you two months,

I would agree there is no sentient being during the first three months.

    Favorite     Flag as abusive Posted 02:55 PM on 5/18/2009
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From the speech: "Maybe we won't agree on abortion, but we can still agree that this is a heart-wrenching decision for any woman to make, with both moral and spiritual dimensions."

If abortion is OK, than why is it a "heart wrenching decision."??

    Favorite     Flag as abusive Posted 12:53 PM on 5/18/2009
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How hard do you have to work to be *that* obtuse?

    Favorite     Flag as abusive Posted 12:54 PM on 5/18/2009
- KarenT I'm a Fan of KarenT 277 fans permalink

Assuming Jazzman doesn't understand the word "obtuse", let me be more basic? No one is for abortion. To make the decision to have one is extremely difficult both morally and spiritually.

    Favorite     Flag as abusive Posted 01:02 PM on 5/18/2009
- Jazzman323 I'm a Fan of Jazzman323 61 fans permalink
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How hard is it to answer my question??

    Favorite     Flag as abusive Posted 01:02 PM on 5/18/2009
- cbeenthere I'm a Fan of cbeenthere 4 fans permalink

Abortion is a legal medical procedure. And yes, it is a heart wrenching decision for a woman to make.

    Favorite     Flag as abusive Posted 01:01 PM on 5/18/2009
- Jazzman323 I'm a Fan of Jazzman323 61 fans permalink
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Why is it a heart wrenching decision??

    Favorite     Flag as abusive Posted 01:02 PM on 5/18/2009
- postman66 I'm a Fan of postman66 749 fans permalink
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RL just said that, Jesus.

    Favorite     Flag as abusive Posted 01:03 PM on 5/18/2009
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ditt*ohe*ads are great followers, aren't they?

    Favorite     Flag as abusive Posted 01:04 PM on 5/18/2009
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It isn't a hard conclusion to come to, whether Rush said it or not. Check my past posts.

This question is the hard part of the abortion debate, and the part where prochoicers' argurnents fall apart.

    Favorite     Flag as abusive Posted 01:23 PM on 5/18/2009
- ValereP I'm a Fan of ValereP 2 fans permalink

So then... only easy decisions are "OK"? Real life is full of "heart wrenching decisions". You make them, you take responsibility for them, and you don't hide behind your god, your mob, or any other projection..

    Favorite     Flag as abusive Posted 01:09 PM on 5/18/2009
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So child molestation is a hearth wrenching decision? Rape is a heart wrenching decision? Murder is a heart wrenching decision? Beating your wife is a heart wrenching decision??

No there is no grey area in these acts, or abortion.

    Favorite     Flag as abusive Posted 01:18 PM on 5/18/2009
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Ahhhhh, nut'n like a good ol' fashioned wedgy to bring out the extremests... let me know when the next faux outrage is


Welcome......... to fantasy island

    Favorite     Flag as abusive Posted 12:42 PM on 5/18/2009
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The constitution guarantees the separation of church and state.

It is high time that it is implemented. The laws are in place to remove the tax exempt status for religious organizations that campaign for, interfere with, represent, contribute to politicians or political parties.

The clergy of any religious organization using their pulpit, or claiming they speak for their congregation on political issues and laws of the land, need to lose their tax exempt status.

That goes for the law firms that are connected to and funded by churches. These churches need to lose their tax exempt status as well.

The churches that claim it is a "sin" to vote for any politician for any reason should lose their tax exempt status.

They have gone too far, America cannot afford to turn a blind eye any longer. This is no different than religious extremism any where else in the world.

The soldiers handing out bibles in the middle east, need to be dishonorably discharged.

That is one of THE most egregious breaches of church and state.

    Favorite     Flag as abusive Posted 12:38 PM on 5/18/2009
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plaque the office wall, of a CPA...

    Favorite     Flag as abusive Posted 12:42 PM on 5/18/2009
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Actually, the constitution doesn't guarantee that. "Separation of church and state" is a phrase used by Jefferson in a letter. The First Amendment prohibits *establishing* religion.

The opening session of the First Congress (the people who actually *voted* on the Constitution and the Bill of Rights) proclaimed a day of Thanksgiving in honor of God. Churches have been awarded tax exemptions under the federal system as far back as 1798, and much further back--even before the Constitution.

So it's a little disingenuous that this is "unconstitutional" given the voting records of the people who actually ratified the constitution and every generation since.

If you don't like it, feel free to submit a Constitutional amendment for ratification.

    Favorite     Flag as abusive Posted 12:57 PM on 5/18/2009
- Principaldad I'm a Fan of Principaldad 192 fans permalink

Technically, the First Amendment states, "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; "

That phrase "respecting the establishment of religion" is more broad than just "establishing religion". As written, it is not just about not establishing a national religion. In fact, any law, government policy, or action that would tend to establish religion or restrict the free exercise of one religion in favor of another would run contrary to the Constitution. The end result of this requirement is the concept called "separation of church and state".

    Favorite     Flag as abusive Posted 02:04 AM on 5/19/2009
- mogeorge I'm a Fan of mogeorge 6 fans permalink

Wonderfully presented.

    Favorite     Flag as abusive Posted 12:57 PM on 5/18/2009
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Couldn't this have just been a speaker (who happens to be the President of the USA) giving a speech to congratulate and encourage the graduating class of 2009?

I think we need to have conversation about sex, sex education, condoms, birth control, abstinence, sexually transmitted diseases, HIV, planned parenting, abortions, etc. (any and everything that you can think of we definitely need to talk about it), just not at a commence ceremony.

President Obama did a nice job handling the situation.

    Favorite     Flag as abusive Posted 12:32 PM on 5/18/2009
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