Webb Criticizes Obama's Guantanamo Strategy As Unreasonable

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First Posted: 05-17-09 12:04 PM   |   Updated: 06-17-09 05:12 AM

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Sen. Jim Webb no longer believes President Obama's schedule for closing down the U.S. prison at Guantanamo Bay is reasonable, claiming on Sunday that the decision was dictated by "artificial timelines" and that some terrorism suspects should be tried at the facility.

"Guantanamo has become the issue rather than how we process these people who were detained there. Let's process them with the right rules of law, the right due process within the constraints of how we have to handle these cases," said Webb on ABC's This Week. "But the facility is there at Guantanamo to do it, and then close it down."

As for the date to actually shut down the facility, the Virginia Democrat said he would "defer to the judgment of the administration who is looking at this." Reminded that the administration wanted Gitmo closed by January, Webb responded: "They have said a lot of things, taken a look and said some other things."

The remarks were a departure from the Senator's earlier position, which he forthrightly acknowledged. Asked if he still believed the deadline for closing Gitmo within the year was reasonable, Webb responded: "I don't actually," adding that his change of heart came after "having sat down with my staff and gone through the numbers in detail and looking at the facilities that have been built there."

The Senator also emphatically declared that he opposes having some detainees, including the Chinese Uighurs, transferred to his home state of Virginia. A federal judge ruled last October that the Uighurs detained at Guantanamo were not terrorist threats and should be released.

While Webb did demand that this group and others be granted "due process in the right kind of environment" -- he said he supports the administration's decision to use an updated form of the special military tribunals -- he argued that some Uighurs had been trained by al Qaeda and should not be allowed into the United States.

The remarks are a blow to the White House and Democratic Party as they seek to frame the closing Guantamano as an issue of sound law rather than national security politics. Despite having served only briefly in the Senate, Webb is an influential foreign policy voice in the party. His position on the closure of Gitmo, however, is likely influenced by the chance that some detainees would be transferred to his home state.


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Sen. Jim Webb no longer believes President Obama's schedule for closing down the U.S. prison at Guantanamo Bay is reasonable, claiming on Sunday that the decision was dictated by "artificial timelines...
Sen. Jim Webb no longer believes President Obama's schedule for closing down the U.S. prison at Guantanamo Bay is reasonable, claiming on Sunday that the decision was dictated by "artificial timelines...
 
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- miriamfl I'm a Fan of miriamfl 15 fans permalink

I can't beleive Webb, or for that matter the entire bunch of Democrats that are afraid of bringing these detainees to this country. It would be easier and faster if they were here and then tried. This would make it easier for everyone involved, all the lawyers and everyone that woulld have to be involved.
My god what is happening to this country? Where have all the real men gone?
Instead of paying another country to keep these guys why can't we pay that money to some of the jails that are sitting empty in this country.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:12 PM on 06/11/2009
- Insightful I'm a Fan of Insightful 6 fans permalink

YOU JUST DO NOT GET IT. Once we let these nice guys on US soil they will be subject to a different law and that law is too lax to deal with them. We let dangerous extremists like the museum maniac loose on the population and innocent people wind up dead.
This is what Jim Webb is talking about. What is it that you do not understand? Our Criminal Justice System is INEFFECTUAL.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:12 PM on 06/11/2009
- olmossy I'm a Fan of olmossy 17 fans permalink

I find the Uighurs situations , to say the least Ironic. Here are native people resisting China INC.
We would have gladly helped these people back when China was an oppressive Communist Country.
But then with the turn of a page, And a brutal purge of any ideas of Democratic freedom Communist China became China INC. Now ruled by a Free Trade/Fasc­ist/Capita­listic Oligarchy. Our Best Friends!
These Uighurs who probably didn't even notice the change, ( Brutal oppression is the same , no matter the label), are NOW our enemys.
If they would JUST have gotten their training from nicer people.
I wonder , Will China INC. reciprocate and take US " Domestic Enemys of the State" to their version of GITMO?
I wonder who some Right Wing Blackwater/Homeland Sec. down in the Bible belt would see as an Enemy of the State requiring secret arrest and detention?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:06 PM on 05/18/2009

Lt. Col. Vandevelde quit, or was forced out of, the Army as a prosecutor because he refused to prosecute detainees with manufactured, false or otherwise nonexistent evidence.

I recognize that there will be some egg on the face of some important agencies if a reversal of position takes place on this subject. However, the complete perversion of justice to avoid a little public embarrassment is not the way to go either.

Webb and all the people who know how big this FUBAR is should be responsible and dismiss cases that do not have sufficient evidence to proceed and prosecute those cases which are supported by proper evidence.

http://traditionalnotions.blogspot.com/

http://fai­ruse.100we­bcustomers­.com/mayfa­ire/latime­s0174.htm

http://articles.latimes.com/2008/oct/12/nation/na-gitmo12

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:48 AM on 05/18/2009
- Dbos I'm a Fan of Dbos 26 fans permalink

We have prisons sitting empty in Illinois Ana Illinois good place for them .

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:31 AM on 05/18/2009
- TWJK I'm a Fan of TWJK permalink

As an Australian with one of the "worst of the worst" (David Hicks) terrorists running around on our streets I find this an interesting conversation. David Hicks commited no crimes that were punishable under Australian law and was convicted by an American military tribunal of some fairly minor charges after being tortured and incarcerated for 4-5 years at Gitmo. When he returned to Australian he was electronically monitored and barred from discussing anything regarding his "stay" under American hospitality in the media until after our Federal elections (which Little Johhny "Deputy Dawg" Howard thankfully lost). He served less than 9 months in prison on his return and that was only at the insistance of the American federal government. Guess what guys. No Jihad , no murders , no David Hicks suicide bombing outrage after 2 years. Your country is ruled by corrupt politics and fear coupled by a hefty lack of logic. Try them or send them home. Even if their home countries torure and incarcerate people indefinatedly how is that different from what the USA has done. At least they will no long be your problem and they may even get out to live normal lives. The assumption so many of your posters make regarding their guilt because you have locked them away and torment them for 8 years is very kafkaest. We hold you because you are guilty , you are guilty because you are in jail.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:51 AM on 05/18/2009
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Well, thankyou for that. I have reached a point where I don't think there are but a handful of elected officials at the National level that have any honor or integrity. Webb seems more concerned that some Chinese dissidents picked up in Aghanistan during an illegal invasion of that country might be released in to his home state. Of course, if I was any of these prisoners who had essentially been sold into my imprisonment and I was released here I would have a hard time not wanting to exact some revenge.

What was done to Hicks was deplorable. It was none of our business to do what was done. Sorry guys, that's the best I can do!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:55 AM on 05/18/2009
- Jelperman I'm a Fan of Jelperman 3 fans permalink
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Great post! It's not like we haven't had "terrorists" walking around freely in this country. Luis Posada Carriles and Orlando Bosch roamed the country for over thirty years. John Floyd Hull (see below) and Oliver North also walk as free men.

For more on Hull and North:

"In August 1989 reporting indicated that Hull had been reindicted by the Costa Rican Government for "hostile acts" stemming from his Contra-related activities. An August 1991 cable to Headquarters, stated that "The drug charges [against Hull] have since been dropped, but Hull is now formally charged with being a conspirator in the 1984 La Penca bombing, and is the subject of a Costa Rican extradition request in the hands of the U.S. Department of Justice." Hull remains the subject of an extradition request by the Costa Rican Government. "

https://www.cia.gov/library/reports/general-reports-1/cocaine/contra-story/other.html

The bombing referred to killed four people and wounded thirteen others.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:21 PM on 05/18/2009

Brilliant.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:51 AM on 05/19/2009
- sueno I'm a Fan of sueno 12 fans permalink

Webb is playing politics
rather than putting this
country on track to right
our wrongs-

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:48 AM on 05/18/2009
- mitsie I'm a Fan of mitsie 54 fans permalink
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The goal to close Getgo should go on as planned, although I don't think trying to close it by Jan. or say Nov 2010. There will be closure, and everyone can't be happy. I want to add, the politicans need to "GROW UP"

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:59 AM on 05/18/2009
- LucieLee I'm a Fan of LucieLee 30 fans permalink
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I really fail to understand why these members of Congress are so afraid that these detainees will be house in prisons in their home states? We have some of the worst of the worst house in prisons all over the country~! We have Charles Manson, we have the Unibomber, we have the Green River Killer, we have the extremists who bombed the World Trade Center in 1993...we have wife killers, we have baby killers, we have child killers in our prisons.....what's wrong with a few more??

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:48 AM on 05/18/2009

What should be done with all the prisoners from here:

http://forum.prisonplanet.com/index.php?topic=69246.0%3Bwap2

Or here:

http://www.salon.com/politics/war_room/2004/07/15/hersh/index.html

I'm sure they'll all support Americans all over the world!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:16 AM on 05/18/2009
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Oh, the ACLU, eh? ha. What a joke of an organization that is. The ACLU will do anything to give the US a black eye.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:40 AM on 05/18/2009
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Go to their site and read their mission statement and then tell us what a joke our constitution and bill of rights are.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:06 PM on 05/18/2009
- fallout4U I'm a Fan of fallout4U 30 fans permalink
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Common sense + a Democrat? Wow, I didn't think it was possible! It CAN BE DONE!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:44 AM on 05/18/2009
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Let's see, one democrat out of over 300-plus with common sense? Those are not good odds at all.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:42 AM on 05/18/2009

Beats the tar out of 1-million+ odds of finding common sense in any given group of rethugs.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:32 AM on 05/18/2009
- LeLoup I'm a Fan of LeLoup 30 fans permalink
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Could someone explain to Sen Webb that there already are terrorism suspects on US soil?
What is it with the pols today? Are they really terrified at the idea that people who have not even received due process yet will start a telekinetic nuclear fusion reaction of their own body molecules, hereby provoking a blast hat would fracture the Earth to its core?

Give me a break!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:28 AM on 05/18/2009
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Can't you see? Obama is playing 3-D chess and ya'll are playing checkers. The ACLU will take care of it and he won't have to suffer political damage.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:23 AM on 05/18/2009
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This chess metaphor is really tiresome.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:35 AM on 05/18/2009

He is the commander now and these things are still going on. Would him being indicted cause him political damage? From Spains investigations into U*S to rt ure.

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    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:21 AM on 05/18/2009
- fallout4U I'm a Fan of fallout4U 30 fans permalink
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Obama is playing Pong, be honest...

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:45 AM on 05/18/2009
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I have YET to see any chess move that Obama has made. Heck, I have YET to see any CHECKER move Obama has made.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:37 AM on 05/18/2009
- dontpanic1 I'm a Fan of dontpanic1 7 fans permalink
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He could make a move on your forehead and you probably still wouldnt see it.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:20 AM on 05/18/2009
- oldcliche I'm a Fan of oldcliche 16 fans permalink

With all the insanity with the teabagging parties, everything you look at must be nuts.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:02 PM on 05/18/2009
- Frenbar I'm a Fan of Frenbar 24 fans permalink
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The real question is, who are these people and what are we going to do with them?

While doubtless some of them are dangerous and wish to harm the United States (especially after the torture), I doubt that they are much worse then then millions around the world who share their sentiment.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:07 AM on 05/18/2009
- simplify I'm a Fan of simplify 30 fans permalink
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There are more dangerous criminals on US soil in maximum security prisons here.
Reid, the terrorist shoe bomber has been locked up here for years. Nobody complained about that

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:57 AM on 05/18/2009
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However, the one's you speak of in maximum security prisons are citizens of the USA. These thugs aren't. Big difference.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:43 AM on 05/18/2009
- DRaymond I'm a Fan of DRaymond 65 fans permalink
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What is the difference between Gitmo and a federal supermax prison for conducting these hearings? The difference is that Gitmo has become an international symbol of legal and humanitarian abuses. Is that unjustified? Remember that the whole reason why Bush created it was a failed scheme that if they somehow took them from the battlezone but did not let them touch US soil that they could be held in a legal limbo covered by neither the Geneva Conventions nor any country's legal system.

Gitmo needs to be closed because it represents closing a the bogus Bush policies that created the fiction that it was necessary.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:36 PM on 05/17/2009

That is my question as well. Aren't our supermax prisons capable of housing these or any other criminals? I don't get it. I do have confidence that Obama will do the right thing in the end.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:09 AM on 05/18/2009
- simplify I'm a Fan of simplify 30 fans permalink
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.......and they do

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:58 AM on 05/18/2009
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The difference is that Gitmo isn't on US soil, and as such, Bush (and now Obama) isn't bound to treat the detainees according to US law.

That's the significance.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:36 AM on 05/18/2009
- 1dogs2 I'm a Fan of 1dogs2 122 fans permalink

SCOTUS has rejected that dishonest argument. Try to keep up.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:35 AM on 05/18/2009
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I think McCain qualified to be President because he was born on foreign soil...that was leased to the usa. Gitmo is leased from Cuba.

You can't have it boths ways, man.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:11 PM on 05/18/2009
- Insightful I'm a Fan of Insightful 6 fans permalink

Right on!! So many of you just do not comprehend this major issue. These are not innocent victims. They should not not be brought to the US. Our system can not deal with them. It is not equipped to do so.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:20 PM on 06/11/2009
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