Harry Reid: No Gitmo Detainees In U.S.

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ANDREW TAYLOR | May 19, 2009 09:04 PM EST | AP

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In this photo taken Tuesday, May 12, 2009 and reviewed by the U.S. military, a U.S. soldier holds onto a steel mesh door inside the Guantanamo detainee clinic, inside Guantanamo Bay U.S. Naval Base, Cuba. (AP Photo/Brennan Linsley)

WASHINGTON — President Barack Obama's promise to close the Guantanamo Bay prison suffered a blow Tuesday when his allies in the Senate said they would refuse to finance the move until the administration delivers a satisfactory plan for what to do with the detainees there.

As the Senate took up Obama's request for money for military and diplomatic operations in Iraq and Afghanistan, Democrats reversed course and said they would deny the request for $80 million for the Justice and Defense departments to relocate the 240 detainees at the U.S. base at Guantanamo Bay, Cuba. They would also indefinitely bar the government from transferring of any of the facility's prisoners into the United States, though the ban could be relaxed in subsequent legislation.

A vote is expected Wednesday on an amendment by Sens. Daniel Inouye, D-Hawaii, and James Inhofe, R-Okla., that would put the restrictions in the war-funding measure.

While allies such as No. 2 Senate Democrat Dick Durbin of Illinois cast the development as a delay of only a few months, other Democrats have made it plain they don't want any of Guantanamo's detainees sent to the United States to stand trial or serve prison sentences.

"We don't want them around," said Majority Leader Harry Reid, D-Nev.

The Senate move matches steps taken by the House and threatens to paralyze the Obama administration's entire plan to close the Guantanamo Bay detention facility by January. In recent weeks, Attorney General Eric Holder had sought to reassure skeptical lawmakers, but Congress appears unconvinced and may force the detention facility to remain in operation.

It's also evidence that a weeks-long GOP effort against Obama's order to close the Guantanamo facility is paying off.

"Guantanamo is the perfect place for these terrorists," said Minority Leader Mitch McConnell, R-Ky.

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Democrats and other Republicans _ including last year's GOP standardbearer, Sen. John McCain of Arizona _ say it's time to close the facility, where detainees can be held for years without being charged.

But McCain said in a floor speech Tuesday that Obama has bungled the Guantanamo issue.

"The lack of a comprehensive, well-thought-out plan led to a predictable political backlash on Guantanamo," McCain said. "Instead of unifying Americans behind a plan that keeps us safe and honors our values, the administration's course of action has unified the opposition to moving forward and move forward we must."

Even Durbin acknowledged that Obama had put Democrats in an awkward spot by sending up a request for funding to close the prison without an accompanying plan.

"The feeling was at this point we were defending the unknown. We were being asked to defend a plan that hasn't been announced," Durbin said. "And the administration said, 'Understood. Give us time to put together that plan and we'll come to you in the next appropriations bill.'"

White House Press secretary Robert Gibbs told reporters that lawmakers were correct to insist on details on closing the detention facility. He said the president on Thursday would outline "a hefty part" of his agenda for the often-criticized facility.

A key piece of the Justice Department's plan has been to send many detainees abroad, but if Congress were to bar detainees from being transported to the United States _ even for trial _ it would become much more difficult to persuade other countries to accept them.

At the Pentagon, spokesman Geoff Morrell said at least some funding needs to be passed now or else it would be "exceedingly difficult" to meet Obama's target date.

Durbin said Obama's plan to close Guantanamo is not dead _ only that the funding will have to wait until the administration devises an acceptable plan to handle the closure and transfer the detainees.

The Senate's move was cast as a tactical retreat until the administration develops a plan to close the facility. But the political anxiety felt by many Democrats runs deeper. Many simply don't want them sent to U.S. soil _ even if they're held in high-security prisons.

"I can't make it any more clear," Reid said. "We will never allow terrorists to be released in the United States."

Reporters repeatedly pressed Reid on whether his opposition to "releasing" inmates meant he is also against transferring them to the U.S. to stand trial. He appeared to indicate that was the case, though spokesman Jim Manley said later that Reid may have misspoken.

House Democrats dropped funding to close Guantanamo when producing their version of the war funding bill, which easily passed last week.

The Guantanamo controversy has roiled Washington, with most Republicans adamantly opposed to closing the prison, which mostly holds enemy combatants captured in Afghanistan. Republicans say abuses at the facility are a thing of the past.

The Senate's massive war spending measure otherwise sticks closely to Obama's request. The House version effectively exceeds Obama's request by almost $12 billion, adding $2.2 billion for foreign aid and eight C-17 cargo planes despite Defense Secretary Robert Gates' desire to cease purchases of the aircraft as part of his effort to overhaul Pentagon procurement.

WASHINGTON — President Barack Obama's promise to close the Guantanamo Bay prison suffered a blow Tuesday when his allies in the Senate said they would refuse to finance the move until the admini...
WASHINGTON — President Barack Obama's promise to close the Guantanamo Bay prison suffered a blow Tuesday when his allies in the Senate said they would refuse to finance the move until the admini...
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- OverIt I'm a Fan of OverIt 75 fans permalink

This is Obama's moment. His moral authority lives or dies on Gitmo.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:56 PM on 05/19/2009
- FairTalk I'm a Fan of FairTalk 18 fans permalink
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I don't agree with you. But I also agree we do not want to be safe harbour wor these terrorists. Didn't we learn anything by giving the Nazi's safe harbour? Can't we learn from our past mistakes?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:10 PM on 05/19/2009
- OverIt I'm a Fan of OverIt 75 fans permalink

I'm beyond confused. How do you know they are ALL terrorists? I thought that was what the trials or commissions was supposed to determine. And when did WE give the Nazis safe harbour? What about the Nuremberg trials? Do you mean the fact that the US and its allies didn't destroy Germany after WWI leading to the EMERGENCE of the Nazis and eventually WWII?

Before I twist my brain in a knot trying to answer your questions, I have one principle question of my own, even primary to the ones above. Is is your opinion that the Iraq was is justified?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:24 PM on 05/19/2009
- Hnorc I'm a Fan of Hnorc 21 fans permalink

What safe harbor was given to the Nazi prisoners?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:47 PM on 05/19/2009

It's Obvious. There are so many "Dirty Hands" (Dem & Repub) that None of them want the "True Story" to be told. That is exactly what will happen if the detainee are allowed to stay here in the States. Every new organization in the world will be requesting interviews. All these politicians will be running for cover and trying to Cover Their Own A$$.

The climate in Washington DC and around our State Capitols is a D-i-s-g-r-a-c-e!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:55 PM on 05/19/2009
- ObamAtomic I'm a Fan of ObamAtomic 145 fans permalink
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Why Harry?
They are so dangerous that a Super Max can not house terrorists?
Harry why?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:54 PM on 05/19/2009
- FairTalk I'm a Fan of FairTalk 18 fans permalink
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They are fighting with Al Qaeda and the Taliban in Pakistan right now!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:58 PM on 05/19/2009
- Yermammy I'm a Fan of Yermammy 137 fans permalink
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Harry, along with Barack are protecting Bush's policies and war crimes by proxy. WHY, I can not tell you. More of the same lawlessness.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:02 PM on 05/19/2009
- chiara12 I'm a Fan of chiara12 20 fans permalink
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Please clarify. Which policies and war crimes is he protecting by proxy? And by he, I mean Barack, not Harry.

Military Tribunals? Obama never came out against those, rather he wanted to grant habeas corpus rights to the prisoners. Please provide a link to any point in his campaign in which he promised to not use the military system of justice at all.

Prisoner abuse photos? When did he say that as President he would release any and all information to the American people? I have yet to hear anyone explain why we need to see these particular photos so badly? What "new" information will come from them? Other than the media being able to play them on an endless loop for days on end. They are not photos of the CIA or some contractors doing something they denied doing? They are not a smoking gun to any new revelations.

Criminal prosecutions of War Crimes? Has there been any final determination from the Justice Dept. on this? No, there has not. So let's wait and see. I personally would like to give them time to make sure that they can actually get convictions. If in the end they do nothing then yes, we can all go out and vote for someone else next time.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:30 PM on 05/19/2009
- chiara12 I'm a Fan of chiara12 20 fans permalink
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Exactly! They act like the plan is to open the gates at Gitmo and hand them all plane tickets to the most ideal American city they can find to let them loose on the unsuspecting public. It's all very weird. Currently in our prisons we hold some of the worst people around, and some have even been our own home grown terrorists, so why would a Super Max facility not be enough to hold some of these guys?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:38 PM on 05/19/2009
- TJCole I'm a Fan of TJCole 162 fans permalink
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What bunch of wusses we have on our Senate, are they that afraid of these guys..?

We have more prisons than any nation on earth, we are a prison nation..!

If they are proven innocent then send them home, and we know many of them always were innocent and sold out for the $5,000 we handed out for names, and taken for no real reason but greedy lying Afghans who took advantage of our bribe money, to sell out a rival or stranger or unwanted potential son in law...

Anyway most of these men were tortured under any reasonable definition­...so now what to do with them...?

You see when you stray from the Constitution as Nancy Pelosi now is learning, you only make more problems for yourself..­.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:54 PM on 05/19/2009
- Forsetti I'm a Fan of Forsetti 66 fans permalink
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Can anyone in the Democratic Party have some testicular fortitude?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:51 PM on 05/19/2009
- OverIt I'm a Fan of OverIt 75 fans permalink

Wasn't that Hillary's claim to fame. She's very silent on this.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:07 PM on 05/19/2009
- DoTheMath I'm a Fan of DoTheMath 46 fans permalink

"We don't want them around," said Majority Leader Harry Reid

Are we sure this isn't taken out of context? Surely Senator Reid understands that some of the prisoners now in Guantanamo have been officially declared innocent. In fact, according to Lawrence Wilkerson, Colin Powell's chief of staff, some of the people in Guantanamo were never suspected of any crimes.

"It did not matter if a detainee were innocent. Indeed, because he lived in Afghanistan and was captured on or near the battle area, he must know something of importance," Wilkerson wrote in the blog. He said intelligence analysts hoped to gather "sufficient information about a village, a region, or a group of individuals, that dots could be connected and terrorists or their plots could be identified­."

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2009/03/19/ex-bush-official-guantanamo-bay-innocent/
(I hate to direct anyone to Fox News, but in this case, finding the information on that particular source makes it more difficult to deny.)

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:50 PM on 05/19/2009
- k6007 I'm a Fan of k6007 230 fans permalink
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Because, there're only over a hunderd federal prisons in the u.s...

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:48 PM on 05/19/2009
- Beamreach I'm a Fan of Beamreach 4 fans permalink
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This country is fast becoming incapable of doing the right thing. Pathetic.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:47 PM on 05/19/2009
- OverIt I'm a Fan of OverIt 75 fans permalink

What is the point of having the freaking majority if the Republicans still rule the roost?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:47 PM on 05/19/2009

actually, the president is flailing

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:12 PM on 05/19/2009
- Hnorc I'm a Fan of Hnorc 21 fans permalink

How so?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:49 PM on 05/19/2009
- SFkid I'm a Fan of SFkid 5 fans permalink

Yeah no Gitmo, but we will take, rapists, serial killers, cannibals, pedophiles and war criminals, but no alleged terrorist, um except the uni-bomber and Tim McVeigh.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:40 PM on 05/19/2009
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