Obama's New Emissions Rules Will Transform US Auto Fleet

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TOM KRISHER | May 19, 2009 09:23 PM EST | AP

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FILE - In this June 2, 2008 file photo, electric hybrid cars are plugged-in to charge during a demonstration of the vehicles in Seattle. AFS Trinity says it has the only working plug-in hybrid vehicles with a 40-mile "all-electric" range. President Barack Obama outlined Tuesday, May 19, 2009, the nation's first comprehensive effort to curb vehicle emissions while cutting dependence on imported oil, calling the plan an historic turning point toward a "clean-energy economy." (AP Photo/Elaine Thompson, file)

DETROIT — Some soccer moms will have to give up hulking SUVs. Carpenters will still haul materials around in pickup trucks, but they will cost more. Nearly everybody else will drive smaller cars, and more of them will run on electricity. The higher mileage and emissions standards set by the Obama administration on Tuesday, which begin to take effect in 2012 and are to be achieved by 2016, will transform the American car and truck fleet.

The new rules would bring new cars and trucks sold in the United States to an average of 35.5 miles per gallon, about 10 mpg more than today's standards. Passenger cars will be required to get 39 mpg, light trucks 30 mpg.

That means cars and trucks on American roads will have to become smaller, lighter and more efficient.

Eric Fedewa, vice president of global powertrain forecasting for the auto consulting firm CSM Worldwide in Northville, Mich., said the changes will make pickup trucks so much more expensive that they will be used almost exclusively for work.

And instead of a minivan or SUV, more parents will haul their families in much smaller vehicles with three rows of seats _ something more like the Mazda 5 small van, he said. The Mazda 5 gets about 28 mpg on the highway.

"I think what you'll see is a lot more creativity in interior packaging," Fedewa said. "You'll get more rows of seats where you traditionally had cargo space."

Already on Tuesday, some drivers were skeptical. Dixie Bishop, who runs a plumbing business in San Antonio that uses vans, worries the new requirements will drive up her costs at a time when customers are cutting back on repairs.

"Are they going to take my horsepower down?" she asked. "I have to be able to carry old water heaters and toilets. It's not beneficial for me to haul one water heater at a time. We need the power to pull these heavy items."

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The changes will start with smaller cars and trucks, and improvements to the internal combustion engine, Fedewa said. Automakers also already working on new technology, including direct fuel injection and high compression of the air-fuel mixture, that will make cars and trucks more efficient.

Car companies are rewiring vehicles so components such as air conditioners and power steering pumps are powered by electricity rather than by the engine, saving fuel.

And they're developing computer-controlled transmissions with six or more gears, adding efficiency, and rolling out more gas-electric hybrids _ among the few cars sold today that meet the 2016 standards.

Of course, developing the technology will cost money _ billions of dollars _ and automakers will pass that on to their customers.

The Obama administration says the changes mean the average vehicle would cost about $1,300 more, although some private analysts say the increase will be much heftier. The administration says gas savings will make up the difference in about three years.

Automakers have said they need stable, relatively high gasoline prices to create a market for electric vehicles. General Motors fears rolling out its rechargeable Chevrolet Volt next year with gas at $2 per gallon.

American consumers have already shown their car-buying habits can change rapidly depending on gas prices. When fuel cost $4 a gallon last summer, people flocked to smaller cars. Gas is much cheaper now, and sales of hybrids have plummeted.

"The U.S. consumer has consistently chosen performance over fuel economy given the relatively low cost of fuel," David Leiker, senior automotive analyst for Robert W. Baird & Co. in Milwaukee, wrote in a note to investors.

The Volt is designed to run 40 miles on battery power when it is fully charged. After that, a small internal combustion engine kicks in to generate electricity and keep the car going. Other automakers are working on similar systems.

But the Volt is expected to sell for $35,000 to $40,000, and buyers may be unwilling to pay that much for a sedan, even if tax credits help ease the burden, unless gas prices soar.

Rechargeable electric vehicles, which under government calculations could get 100 mpg or more, will help automakers meet the standards and offset sales of larger, less-efficient models.

Under Obama's plan, the sale of of electric vehicles and plug-in hybrids could also generate "super credits" that would count as more than one vehicle when an automaker determines its average fuel economy and emissions figures.

The new rules cause manufacturers "to accelerate their technology plans, probably a little more aggressively than they originally thought," said Tony Posawatz, who heads development of the Volt's technology. "For us, we feel comfortable that we've got choices."

Just a few years ago, GM and other auto executives were doubtful they could meet even less stringent standards, but Posawatz said the technology has changed since then, especially with new lithium-ion batteries.

GM also is looking at electric trucks, which may bring them even closer to the goals, he said.

Earlier this year, Toyota said it planned to launch as many as 10 new hybrid models worldwide by early 2010, and it plans to bring a new version of the Prius to the U.S. in the coming weeks. Honda's new Insight hybrid is already on sale in the U.S. Mazda, meanwhile, has said it plans to focus less on hybrid vehicles and more on improvements to its basic internal combustion engine.

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AP Auto Writers Kimberly S. Johnson and Dan Strumpf in New York, AP Energy Writer John Porretto in Houston, and Associated Press Writer Ken Thomas in Washington contributed to this report.

DETROIT — Some soccer moms will have to give up hulking SUVs. Carpenters will still haul materials around in pickup trucks, but they will cost more. Nearly everybody else will drive smaller cars...
DETROIT — Some soccer moms will have to give up hulking SUVs. Carpenters will still haul materials around in pickup trucks, but they will cost more. Nearly everybody else will drive smaller cars...
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- RTIII I'm a Fan of RTIII 82 fans permalink


It's a simple observation that Europeans already meet Obama's new standards.

So all this talk like, "Of course, developing the technology will cost money _ billions of dollars _ and automakers will pass that on to their customers" is the malarkey it obviously is.

Oh, they'll spend billions and pass it on alright. Be sure of that.

But all their whining is just BS caused by their not having bothered to look at fuel efficiency since Ronald Reagan declared that SUVs could carry passengers and be used (and sold) just like passenger cars but be exempt from passenger car safety, efficiency and pollution standards.

So cry-me-a-river, all those who are upset. Europe is ALREADY doing this. All your tears are saying is that either you're incredibly uninformed OR your incredibly s... OK, well, you know the rest.
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    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:22 AM on 05/21/2009
- American50 I'm a Fan of American50 7 fans permalink
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That government is best which governs least.
Thomas Paine

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:43 PM on 05/20/2009

In 1993 I bought an '89 Toyota Celica that got 25 miles to the gallon. I drove that car till it died, loved it to death literally, I guess. So when I went to find another car, guess what, there was a 2002 Toyota Celica, of course I grabbed it. It gets 30 miles to the gallon, city. I'm surprised that the improvement is so small. We have had the technology for 20 years, to reduce gasoline usage and California proves that emissions can be reduced as well. So why have we not done it? It boggles my mind to see the number of hulking 8-mile-per-gallon SUV's and pickups on the road, the vast majority of them driven by people who obviously have no need for a vehicle that can "survive in the wilderness" or "haul a big load." In the 1970's recycling was an entirely new thing, but it came to be the natural order of things. Why can we not move the American psyche away from all this waste of gasoline and harmful emissions, to a more sustainable form of transportation? Why do we think it's cool to be macho, conspicuous consumers of the world's resources? Why are the auto execs not in jail for crimes against the environment and the economy? The only reason I can see for not letting Detroit's behemoths fail is that we do need a manufacturing base in this country for national security purposes, as in WWII.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:14 PM on 05/20/2009
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There was a recent article in Car and Driver comparing the latest model Toyota Corolla with earliear models

the new on is a few inches taller, wider and longer than previous models

weighs almost 1000 lbs more

and gets worse mpg!

the point is there are no car companies immune from busilding bigger and heavier vehicles - this is what the buying market has demanded

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:29 PM on 05/20/2009

The buying market demands it, I guess, because of years of marketing that has embedded a different ethos than in other places. If recycling can become expected and natural, so can low gas consumption. Then people will "demand" higher-mil­eage/lower emissions forms of transportation, and there will no longer be a market for dinosaurs.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:52 PM on 05/20/2009
- American50 I'm a Fan of American50 7 fans permalink
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spoken like a true liberal american hater

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:38 AM on 05/21/2009
- larmarch5 I'm a Fan of larmarch5 39 fans permalink
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Hello Auto makers:
I am a prime customer for a new vehicle in 2012. I want a commuter car large enough to seat two people, hold a set of golf clubs or three bags of groceries or two medium suitcases. I drive about 10 miles a day. If I need to hold more people or take a long highway trip, I will rent a larger highway vehicle. I want my car to look good, not stupid. I want to be able to lock it so my golf clubs don't get stolen. I want it to bounce or absorb impact if I'm hit by a bubba or bubbette. I want to be able to plug it into a 110 outlet in my garage. I don't want to have to wear a helmet when I drive it. It won't take much to tweek a golf cart, add a roll bar and air bags inside the interior, and encase it in a nice looking light-weight soft molded exterior. 35-40 mpg is all I need.
I suggest you hire women to design these vehicles because, so far, what the men have designed look stupid, will leak in the rain, and do not provide crash protection or secure storage.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:17 PM on 05/20/2009
- notAMoron I'm a Fan of notAMoron 5 fans permalink

I think that it would be fair if they let small businesses and individuals with a legitimate business need like carpenters, plumbers, and construction workers get a special permit which would allow them to deduct extra expenses for work vehicles from their taxes.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:43 AM on 05/20/2009
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"American consumers have already shown their car-buying habits can change rapidly depending on gas prices. When fuel cost $4 a gallon last summer, people flocked to smaller cars. Gas is much cheaper now, and sales of hybrids have plummeted."

Americans have the memory of goldfish and the willpower of a dog in heat.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:39 AM on 05/20/2009
- trimom I'm a Fan of trimom 2 fans permalink

Bring back the stick shift! It is so hard to find a non-automatic transmission these days.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:11 AM on 05/20/2009
- Mikeeee I'm a Fan of Mikeeee 65 fans permalink

YES!! I've always thought that to gain a drivers license, you should have to take the test on a manual transmission. It would put skillful drivers on the road instead of just point and push the pedal types.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:19 AM on 05/20/2009
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Actually if you look at most cars mpg ratings todays automatics get as good if not better mpg than a stick

and many cars nowadys the stick is the extra cost option

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:50 AM on 05/20/2009
- Mikeeee I'm a Fan of Mikeeee 65 fans permalink

Dixie Bishop, who runs a plumbing business in San Antonio that uses vans, '"Are they going to take my horsepower down?" she asked. "I have to be able to carry old water heaters and toilets. It's not beneficial for me to haul one water heater at a time. We need the power to pull these heavy items."'

Stoppit!! Why do they even talk to people like her or put a red herring into the article like this one? With space used for supplies in a plumbing van, she couldn't get more than 3 tanks in anyway for about 520 lbs. The load capacity on 1/2 ton van will still be 1/2 ton, 3/4 ton will still be 3/4 ton etc. geez!! If she can't figure that simple equation out, I strongly suggest she be avoided in solving your plumbing problems.

It's long past time to replace the infernal combustion engine.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:45 AM on 05/20/2009
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these aren't red haerrings or anecdotes - the vast ,majority of truck buyers remain tradesmen, contractors, farmers and the like

the anecdotes are the people who buy trucks that don't really need them

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:56 AM on 05/20/2009
- Mikeeee I'm a Fan of Mikeeee 65 fans permalink

Doesn't change the fact that a 1/2 ton van will still have a 1/2 ton capacity, she didn't think through what she was saying and is a diversion from the facts of the story, so by definition her comments are a red herring, they don't fit or belong except as illumination of her inability to think cogently.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:17 AM on 05/20/2009
- stondem I'm a Fan of stondem 3 fans permalink

I just read about a Florida car dealer that recently invested millions in the renovation of his dealership that sold Dodge vehicles. He now has to give up his dealership and give his customers to his competitor. I have a fundamental problem with the government dictating to a corporation who wins and who loses. They took out a loan to renovate their dealership by themselves. They will now have to declare bankruptcy. I will never buy a GMUS government made vehicle!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:45 AM on 05/20/2009
- Mikeeee I'm a Fan of Mikeeee 65 fans permalink

I have a fundamental problem with corporations that create products with only profit as their motive and not include some responsibility in pollution they cause.
I'm tired of companies pissing in our pool.

BTW, the decision to close that dealer was made by Chrysler.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:51 AM on 05/20/2009
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the whole purpose of a business is to create a product or service and make a profit doing so

yes there is room for more corporate citizenship

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:52 AM on 05/20/2009
- RTIII I'm a Fan of RTIII 82 fans permalink


I'm tired of whiners who whine about some recent decision about GM completely forgetting that this business failed and would have been on the scrap heap of history without Government intervention.

Be upset all you want, your still a whiner who whines over nothing. You could at least be whining that your favored business went belly up and now has some unpleasant consequences from being raised from the de.ad instead of some made up cry-me-a-river scenario.
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    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:01 AM on 05/21/2009
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So if I am understanding this correctly the next step will be to inflate the price of gas or tax large vehicles to force us to give up what we already own. Otherwise I don't see the market supporting the auto makers in the short term. People will just hang on to their old cars as long as possible and cause new car sales to continue the downward spiral.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:14 AM on 05/20/2009
- Cookie100 I'm a Fan of Cookie100 55 fans permalink
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Americans ALREADY are keeping cars much, much longer, 7 1/2 years is the average, used to be 3 1/2.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:27 AM on 05/20/2009
- frantaylor I'm a Fan of frantaylor 22 fans permalink

Some people just don't like it when they get what they ask for.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:31 AM on 05/20/2009
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To rebuild an economy, you need products(supply), and consumptio­n(demand). Changing the auto fleet is one way to achieve both ends.

It is better to have an efficient-car industry than an oil-supply based industry, for both manufacturing and environmental points of view. America could export better cars, and import less oil, reversing the flow of dollars. Building stuff employs people, maintains a pool of expertise, and provides a manufacturing base to support the armed forces. If costs to get a new vehicle are higher, this has drawbacks to stimulate economic liftoff, but it can be offset longterm by lower operating costs.

It's a good long range strategy. And it pits the country against the oil lobby, and the Cheneys. These entities are not your friends.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:09 AM on 05/20/2009
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"Building stuff employs people, maintains a pool of expertise, and provides a manufacturing base to support the armed forces."

Indeed we need to be fcousing more on the productive, wealth generating, prosperity sharing and technology­/innovatio­n creating sector manufacturing

So far the Obama administration is virtually ignoring this segment and has become just as cozy with the wealth shifting and evaportating financial segment

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:14 AM on 05/20/2009
- frantaylor I'm a Fan of frantaylor 22 fans permalink

"America could export better cars"

The US has not exported cars in many years. Nobody wants our cars.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:32 AM on 05/20/2009
- ECBA88 I'm a Fan of ECBA88 8 fans permalink
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Well, this might help. Gas is way more expensive in Europe, and in a lot of places, especially rural ones, the roads are tiny. They don't exactly have much use for Hummers and Suburbans over there.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:47 AM on 05/20/2009
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"Nobody wants our cars"

even in its reduced state the US auto industry still commands over 50% of the market

the number 1 selling vehicle in the world is the Ford F series

the problem is not that no one wants our cars, but trade bbarriers to the entry of our vehicles into other markets

The Koreans only allowed 1400 US cars into their market, but exports over 140,000 to ours

the japanese also have some pretty convoluted market protections against importation in their domestic market

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:51 AM on 05/20/2009
- meede I'm a Fan of meede 35 fans permalink

U.S. arrogantly flaunts themselves as the leader and best of everying in the free world. Not.

U.S. is so far behind in dealing with environmental issues. Ranks right up there with the worst polluters and destroyers of earth.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:01 AM on 05/20/2009
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So thats why the US has stricter emissions stds for automobiles than the Europeans?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:03 AM on 05/20/2009
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So thats why the US has stricter automitve emissions stds than the eurpeans?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:06 AM on 05/20/2009
- RTIII I'm a Fan of RTIII 82 fans permalink


Europeans may be more focused on fuel efficiency than tail pipe emissions. The fact that their fleet already meets the goals Obama's bringing in means they already have a competitive advantage...
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    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:06 AM on 05/21/2009
- Cookie100 I'm a Fan of Cookie100 55 fans permalink
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you've had bush for 8 years, what do you expect! geez

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:27 AM on 05/20/2009

Why does this issue anger so many people. People are angry that other people like trucks and SUVs, the people with trucks and SUVs are saying little cars are not safe. My family owns 4 cars...we have 2 honda Civic SI commuter cars they get in the mid 30, both have about 140 k on them bought them cheap used. We have a Sierra Denali for Home Depot runs, landscaping runs, dump runs, taking the boat to the lake etc. We have a Corvettez06 for fun because I track race. The truck in the vette both have low miles because I do not use them to commute, I would be upset though if these cars didn't exist because most of my enjoyment with friends in family come from using these other vehicles. I do think that in America you should have the choice to drive what you want. I really don't like the government limiting what I can and cannot buy and enjoy. It seems as if there is mindset that if you drive these other types of cars then you are bad...or a Republican. I just do not understand all the anger about it

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:57 AM on 05/20/2009
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"I really don't like the government limiting what I can and cannot buy and enjoy. "

We're probably all with you there.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:11 AM on 05/20/2009
- frantaylor I'm a Fan of frantaylor 22 fans permalink

Because we do not enjoy freedom in our society unless we are free to choose which gas guzzler to buy. We are all slaves unless we have 40 different cars to choose from.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:29 AM on 05/20/2009
- cjt1957 I'm a Fan of cjt1957 19 fans permalink

Notice that Ford's CEO was not with the rest of the big shots at the press conference. The government does not own them, so he was off to the side. It is about controll. Obama wants to controll your life. Wants to mandate what you drive, what you eat, where you go and when you do it. He wants to decide you medical care and every other aspect of your life....

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:47 AM on 05/20/2009
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Ford was smart to not accept the govt's strings

they were already working on more fuel efficient cars on their own

the Hybrid Fusion gets better MPG than Toyota Hybrid Camry

the new Fiesta will get over 45 mpg

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:20 AM on 05/20/2009
- Portnoy I'm a Fan of Portnoy 15 fans permalink

Ford can only last so long. They are an outdated company that thinks the US citizen wants SUVs and monster trucks. When they see how well Chrysler and GM will be doing with their smaller, environmentally friendly cars, FORD will come begging to the White House doors.

Bank on it.

The Obama Administration has done in 100 days what the US Auto barrons could not do for decades: completely transform how US citizens view transportation. Who will FORD sell their trucks and SUVs to when Americans are taking mass transportation and not traveling far to work?

Ford's days are numbered. They just haven't realized it yet.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:42 AM on 05/20/2009
- Dr Scott I'm a Fan of Dr Scott 24 fans permalink
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GM? GM cars suck anyway. Has everyone forgotten that Ford is not owned by the Government? And their cars are WAY better than GM or Chrysler (LOL). Visit Ford UK on the web to see the kinds of high-mileage, low-emissions cars they offer over there. Their UK Fusion already exceeds the new mileage standard.
I own 5 Fords. I would love to add one of those 62 mpg Fiestas to my fleet for trips that don't require a F250.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:43 AM on 05/20/2009
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