Obama's New Emissions Rules Will Transform US Auto Fleet

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TOM KRISHER | May 19, 2009 09:23 PM EST | AP

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FILE - In this June 2, 2008 file photo, electric hybrid cars are plugged-in to charge during a demonstration of the vehicles in Seattle. AFS Trinity says it has the only working plug-in hybrid vehicles with a 40-mile "all-electric" range. President Barack Obama outlined Tuesday, May 19, 2009, the nation's first comprehensive effort to curb vehicle emissions while cutting dependence on imported oil, calling the plan an historic turning point toward a "clean-energy economy." (AP Photo/Elaine Thompson, file)

DETROIT — Some soccer moms will have to give up hulking SUVs. Carpenters will still haul materials around in pickup trucks, but they will cost more. Nearly everybody else will drive smaller cars, and more of them will run on electricity. The higher mileage and emissions standards set by the Obama administration on Tuesday, which begin to take effect in 2012 and are to be achieved by 2016, will transform the American car and truck fleet.

The new rules would bring new cars and trucks sold in the United States to an average of 35.5 miles per gallon, about 10 mpg more than today's standards. Passenger cars will be required to get 39 mpg, light trucks 30 mpg.

That means cars and trucks on American roads will have to become smaller, lighter and more efficient.

Eric Fedewa, vice president of global powertrain forecasting for the auto consulting firm CSM Worldwide in Northville, Mich., said the changes will make pickup trucks so much more expensive that they will be used almost exclusively for work.

And instead of a minivan or SUV, more parents will haul their families in much smaller vehicles with three rows of seats _ something more like the Mazda 5 small van, he said. The Mazda 5 gets about 28 mpg on the highway.

"I think what you'll see is a lot more creativity in interior packaging," Fedewa said. "You'll get more rows of seats where you traditionally had cargo space."

Already on Tuesday, some drivers were skeptical. Dixie Bishop, who runs a plumbing business in San Antonio that uses vans, worries the new requirements will drive up her costs at a time when customers are cutting back on repairs.

"Are they going to take my horsepower down?" she asked. "I have to be able to carry old water heaters and toilets. It's not beneficial for me to haul one water heater at a time. We need the power to pull these heavy items."

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The changes will start with smaller cars and trucks, and improvements to the internal combustion engine, Fedewa said. Automakers also already working on new technology, including direct fuel injection and high compression of the air-fuel mixture, that will make cars and trucks more efficient.

Car companies are rewiring vehicles so components such as air conditioners and power steering pumps are powered by electricity rather than by the engine, saving fuel.

And they're developing computer-controlled transmissions with six or more gears, adding efficiency, and rolling out more gas-electric hybrids _ among the few cars sold today that meet the 2016 standards.

Of course, developing the technology will cost money _ billions of dollars _ and automakers will pass that on to their customers.

The Obama administration says the changes mean the average vehicle would cost about $1,300 more, although some private analysts say the increase will be much heftier. The administration says gas savings will make up the difference in about three years.

Automakers have said they need stable, relatively high gasoline prices to create a market for electric vehicles. General Motors fears rolling out its rechargeable Chevrolet Volt next year with gas at $2 per gallon.

American consumers have already shown their car-buying habits can change rapidly depending on gas prices. When fuel cost $4 a gallon last summer, people flocked to smaller cars. Gas is much cheaper now, and sales of hybrids have plummeted.

"The U.S. consumer has consistently chosen performance over fuel economy given the relatively low cost of fuel," David Leiker, senior automotive analyst for Robert W. Baird & Co. in Milwaukee, wrote in a note to investors.

The Volt is designed to run 40 miles on battery power when it is fully charged. After that, a small internal combustion engine kicks in to generate electricity and keep the car going. Other automakers are working on similar systems.

But the Volt is expected to sell for $35,000 to $40,000, and buyers may be unwilling to pay that much for a sedan, even if tax credits help ease the burden, unless gas prices soar.

Rechargeable electric vehicles, which under government calculations could get 100 mpg or more, will help automakers meet the standards and offset sales of larger, less-efficient models.

Under Obama's plan, the sale of of electric vehicles and plug-in hybrids could also generate "super credits" that would count as more than one vehicle when an automaker determines its average fuel economy and emissions figures.

The new rules cause manufacturers "to accelerate their technology plans, probably a little more aggressively than they originally thought," said Tony Posawatz, who heads development of the Volt's technology. "For us, we feel comfortable that we've got choices."

Just a few years ago, GM and other auto executives were doubtful they could meet even less stringent standards, but Posawatz said the technology has changed since then, especially with new lithium-ion batteries.

GM also is looking at electric trucks, which may bring them even closer to the goals, he said.

Earlier this year, Toyota said it planned to launch as many as 10 new hybrid models worldwide by early 2010, and it plans to bring a new version of the Prius to the U.S. in the coming weeks. Honda's new Insight hybrid is already on sale in the U.S. Mazda, meanwhile, has said it plans to focus less on hybrid vehicles and more on improvements to its basic internal combustion engine.

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AP Auto Writers Kimberly S. Johnson and Dan Strumpf in New York, AP Energy Writer John Porretto in Houston, and Associated Press Writer Ken Thomas in Washington contributed to this report.

DETROIT — Some soccer moms will have to give up hulking SUVs. Carpenters will still haul materials around in pickup trucks, but they will cost more. Nearly everybody else will drive smaller cars...
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- skyblu I'm a Fan of skyblu 7 fans permalink

Obvious collusion between Obama's Automotive Task Force and GM...use hard earned U.S. tax payer dollars to fund GM America's division move and consolidation to GM China. GM China will export Chinese made cars to the USA in the hundreds of thousands by 2011. Solidifies PACTAC/GM China as world leader, displacing USA.

What you are hearing is the last of the USA automotive industry and the tens of millions of jobs from a to z , the 'big sucking sound' of one more former American Industrial Base Industry, going east to the PRC. There is no level playing field. Geitner et al (Wall St.) have agreed GM should sell its Buick 'brand' (or it is already sold) to China as part of its 'Chapter 11'.

Make me barf, please. This so called automotive task force is the Sec of the Treasury and 2 investment bankers who couldn't care less about the USA or American workers. Just CONSUMERISM. The same goes for our so called 'food suppy'.

Many Enviros content to drive unsafe tiny vehicles and who live on TRUST FUNDS don't even see due to blinders the horrific economic cost globalization has incurred and is costing our nation.

The elite globalization world care, only for one thing; CONSUMERISM at EXPENSE OF EVERYTHING ELSE, including loyalty to country, responsibility to their workers, etc.

No Bama.. Change We Want Not. Buchanan 2012.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:07 AM on 05/20/2009

Whats the big deal - GM European cars already exceed these standards in many cases.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:47 AM on 05/20/2009
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Buick is only profitable in China. Why?
The Chinese don't yet have 3 cars each! And they have 25% of the world population, with an economy that isn't shrinking. Thus there is something there that does not exist anywhere else: a combination of a huge viable market with low penetrance, a manufacturing base, and loads of land.

Capitalism continues to act as a driving force behind business. America is doomed to fall behind, not as a result of leadership failure, but because of simple physical factors.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:18 AM on 05/20/2009
- drbillybob I'm a Fan of drbillybob 101 fans permalink
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Could I still buy a Yukon under these regulations?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:52 AM on 05/20/2009
- AnotherTry I'm a Fan of AnotherTry 61 fans permalink
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I live in Amsterdam and I see, on a daily basis, women with two, sometimes three children riding around on bicycles. These standards do not go nearly far enough if America expects to become independent of foreign oil. It is like a bad joke. If this administration was serious, they would bring back the electric car, outlaw gas guzzlers in urban centers, they would commit to more public transportation and create more bike lanes.

Obama is propping up a dinosaur of an industry and we praise him for it. Boy are we dumb.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:42 AM on 05/20/2009
- Loompa I'm a Fan of Loompa 5 fans permalink

Last time I looked at a map, the distances involved in daily travel in USA were slightly different than in Holland

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:58 AM on 05/20/2009
- Dr Scott I'm a Fan of Dr Scott 25 fans permalink
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Not in urban areas. I live 1 mile from where I work. That's a 20 minute walk. I work at a supermarket, so that's also 1 mile for grocery shopping. But I live in a typical Texas town that is designed for pickup trucks, not bicycles or pedestrians. So, the government can do more to help the situation.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:28 AM on 05/20/2009
- roncar I'm a Fan of roncar 3 fans permalink

For the auto industry to make lighter vehicles they will have to use more plastic in designs. Of course it takes hydrocarbons to make plastic. Will the savings of hydrocarbons from improved gas mileage be off set by the increase in plastic usage?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:36 AM on 05/20/2009
- vippy I'm a Fan of vippy 77 fans permalink

We needed that already a few years ago but our planning is terrible. The last energy bill congress passed asked for 35 mpgs by 2020, imagine that!!!!!!! Obama should have set the standard
for 2011 not by 2016! Europeans have 45 mpgs why can't we? By 2016 our gas will cost $ 4.00
per gallon anyway or so it is forecasted already. I would rather take a fast train other than Amtrak
that has a history of running off its tracks.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:45 AM on 05/20/2009
- Loompa I'm a Fan of Loompa 5 fans permalink

Where in Europe do you find 45mpg? Or are you just another pontificating lefty windbag?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:59 AM on 05/20/2009
- larmarch5 I'm a Fan of larmarch5 53 fans permalink
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I think most of the plastic on my Intrepid is made from recycled plastic. At least that was in the ads.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:22 PM on 05/20/2009

All those SUV drivers who have sported "Support Our Troops" ribbons on their cars, all those Junior League housewives who have hauled their two children all over town in Lincoln Navigators and Chevy Suburbans, all those gas-guzzlers have felt compelled to tailgate on the highway when someone doesn't go 80 miles-an-hour need to be targeted with an entirely new advertising campaign. How about, it's un-American to drive cars that put our country in the pocket of mid-East oil regimes. It's just plain un-American. Want to support the troops? Buy a gas-saving vehicle. Want to be a good chest-thumping conservative? CONSERVE.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:34 AM on 05/20/2009
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We could just tap Alaska and end all that oil dependence until we do refine alternate fuel tech. But the enviromental impact might get your panties in a wad. Ask yourself the question. Would you rather employ Americans and kill a few bunnies; or or finance the Ragheads and let us keep sliding economically. Personally, I'll kill the first bunny.

And for a step in the right direction enviromentally, we could easily and affordibly move to cleaner and more efficient diesel engines. Taxing owners of larger vehicles is ridculous when the emissions profiles that are obtainible are so low.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:17 AM on 05/20/2009
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Easy on the bunnies there.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:59 AM on 05/20/2009
- ECBA88 I'm a Fan of ECBA88 8 fans permalink
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There's not enough in Alaska to do it. 20 cents a gallon cheaper gas, maybe. $2 less? nope.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:08 AM on 05/20/2009

You'll like this: http://www.motortrend.com/features/112_0705_james_woolsey_interview/index.html

Sadly, though, it's peanuts. Would you be surprised to know that a single gas turbine Navy warship (that's cruisers and destroyers and such) will burn about five million gallons of fuel on a typical six month deployment? That's one ship. If you want real fuel savings, ending our superfluous wars abroad would be the best place to start. Cutting back on meat is the second best thing you can do to cut your fossil fuel footprint.

That said, I'm buying a hybrid, going mostly vegetarian and doing most of my commuting by bike as soon as my boots are back on American soil. I've seen to much of the disaster that is our oil-centric foreign policy to morally justify any other course of action.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:29 PM on 05/20/2009
- SangZe I'm a Fan of SangZe 38 fans permalink

U.S. automakers just don't have the skills needed to engineer innovation.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:24 AM on 05/20/2009

What a completely ignorant and ill informed comment. Do some research and you will see US Automakers actually do already make cars that get very high mpg's they're just not available here. I know you're concerned that if the US automakers actually start moving jobs back to the US you'll lose your $2.00 a day job.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:39 AM on 05/20/2009
- Loompa I'm a Fan of Loompa 5 fans permalink

and what's next? will we have a clothing czar to tell us what clothes we can wear? - a shoe czar for shoes? a TV program czar? radio program czar (oh, that's already under way) -etc. Didn't the USSR try this system for 70 years and found it didn't work?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:20 AM on 05/20/2009
- SamKnause I'm a Fan of SamKnause 76 fans permalink

I don't think 35.5 mpg goes far enough. The auto makers have had years to address fuel efficiency. If oil companies and insurance companies, would not have been buying our elected government officials votes, it would have already been solved. If the $1300.00 cost per vehicle is going to be passed on to the consumer it will hurt domestic auto sales, and keep the advantage for foreign auto makers. As long as the foreign auto makers get the tax breaks and don't have to deal with the outrages health care cost, like our auto makers do, there will never be a level playing field. Having large corporations such as big oil, big pharmaceutical companies, and banks buying government votes has not worked in the best interest for this country and it needs to change before anything else can change. Outrages CEO entitlements and exhorbatant pay for the few at the top also needs to change for our auto companies to compete.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:17 AM on 05/20/2009
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If consumers wanted 35 mpg cars, or 45 mpg cars, or 55 mpg cars, the auto companies would supply them. People find compelling factors in cars other than mpg such as carrying capacity, saftey, style, brand name, handling, towing capacity, etc.

Obama will never drive a 35 mpg or 45 mpg car. He will be carted around in an armored SUV for the rest of his life

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:25 AM on 05/20/2009
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Putting on my engineers hat, its tough to reduce emissions and raise mpg at the same time

emission controls come at the cost of engine effciency. Most of the technology gains with current internal combustion technology have already been made- anything more will be very incremental

the quickest way to raise mpg is reduce weight. however this comes at the cost of safety, so that wouldn't fly with the hwy safety advocates


Cerrtainly poses a major engineering challenge to the next generation of automotive engineers - not to say it can't be done, but improving safety, mpg and emissions at the same time without sacrificing in another area is a very tall order indeed

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:24 AM on 05/20/2009
- roncar I'm a Fan of roncar 3 fans permalink

But not to worry. The American tax payer will continue to subsidize the auto makers to ensure they don't fail. Not only will we pay more for cars but we'll also contribute our tax dollars to a losing industry. Welcome to Obamanomics. Who'll be the first on their block to own an Obamamobile.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:29 AM on 05/20/2009
- Loompa I'm a Fan of Loompa 5 fans permalink

not me

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:55 AM on 05/20/2009
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Just like most other countries like Japan and the Europeans subisize their own auto industries

millions of jobs in the US depend on a healthy auto industry

you think the economy sucks now - lets do away with whats left and mfg and see what happens

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:54 AM on 05/20/2009
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What is the best option, keep the flow of foreign oil into the US with all the problems that come with that option, like propping up corrupt regimes, massive military expenditure.
Or switch to more efficient vehicles so you don't need import as much?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:01 AM on 05/20/2009
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Develop American oil resources.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:07 AM on 05/20/2009

According to the U.S. Department of Energy, we only have mineral rights to about 5% of global oil reserves. We consume about 25% of global production. The math doesn't work.

U.S. oil production peaked in the 1970s and there isn't anything anyone can do about it. We just don't have that much oil. What we do have is a greater geopolitical and environmental stake in conserving our existing supply while developing technologies that will get us off the stuff entirely. We should be leading the world in this, not being dragged into the future kicking and screaming.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:35 PM on 05/20/2009

drill drill drill.btw if your name is accurate how are you going to feel when the pres tells you that the cab of your truck needs to be smaller and more effecient and you cannot have a sleeping space in it to make it smaller.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:43 AM on 05/20/2009
- drbillybob I'm a Fan of drbillybob 101 fans permalink
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I have to share perhaps one of the best song parodies ever made ... "In a Yugo" by Paul Shanklin:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pz2eCFoafXk

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:57 AM on 05/20/2009
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Funny. Drive Obama, the American Yugo.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:13 AM on 05/20/2009
- JZ735 I'm a Fan of JZ735 22 fans permalink

I highly approve of new standards, but reality says Americans of a certain wide girth or a large family are not going to plow themselves into tiny little ecoboxes...it isn't going to happen.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:56 AM on 05/20/2009
- drbillybob I'm a Fan of drbillybob 101 fans permalink
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Will Americans still be able to purchase large vehicles from overseas manufacturers, or we we turn protectionist to force Americans into smaller cars?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:50 AM on 05/20/2009
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so - the govt is imposing another mandate to make more emssions and mpg gains

will the US govt help subsidize the R&D like the Japanese govt does with its automakers?

or will it just be yet anther unfunded mandate that puts our car makers at another competitve disadvantage?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:41 AM on 05/20/2009

All this nonsense that it will take billions of dollars to come up with the technology is bull. They don't even need to go hybrid as there are already cars in Europe getting higher mpg's than the hybrids do now. This is yet another farce for the people, come along everyone another dog and pony show is about to start, take your seats.

Here is a vw that came out last year in Europe and is not available here. It got 46mpg in testing.

http://www.popularmechanics.com/automotive/new_cars/4262351.html

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:08 AM on 05/20/2009
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most of these high mileage european cars can not be sold in the US because they do not meet the US's stricter emissions and safety standards.

And the eurpeans tend to use more diesels as well. diesel feul costs about 20% more than gas, so a diesel car has to get 20% better mpg than an equivalent gasoline car to have the same feul cost of ownership

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:47 AM on 05/20/2009

Gas is almost 2.50 a gallon in my neck of the woods and diesel is 2.09. VW and Merceces have clean diesels right now in this country. The Jetta gets in the high 40's as compared to 30 for the gas Jetta. The diesel also has a lower carbon footprint. It also has a 5 star crash rating.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:04 AM on 05/20/2009

You can not compare fuel cost between the US and the Europeans as their fuel costs go to supplement things like healthcare of which we here in the US are do not receive. Besides the fact that your comment is wrong either way since Diesel is cheaper than regular unleaded.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:14 AM on 05/20/2009
- drbillybob I'm a Fan of drbillybob 101 fans permalink
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The most underreported aspect of this issue continues to be the huge cost in American lives these increased fuels standards will dictate. This fact is not arguable and makes the lives lost in both our ongoing wars look small by comparison.

"According to a 2003 NHTSA study, when a vehicle is reduced by 100 pounds the estimated fatality rate increases as much as 5.63 percent for light cars weighing less than 2,950 pounds, 4.70 percent for heavier cars weighing over 2,950 pounds and 3.06 percent for light trucks. Between model years 1996 and 1999, these rates translated into additional traffic fatalities of 13,608 for light cars, 10,884 for heavier cars and 14,705 for light trucks."

For a review of a number of auto safety studies see : http://www.nationalcenter.org/NPA546CAFEStandards.html

Why is nobody talking about this?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:40 AM on 05/20/2009
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Thousands of people will die.
Yes even more than died in Iraq.
Their tombstone will say: "At least I was getting 35 mpg when I died!"

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:12 AM on 05/20/2009
- Punkynsnow I'm a Fan of Punkynsnow 53 fans permalink
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Everyone needs to SLOW DOWN. Most of us are guilty of driving too fast, and most accidents are caused by carelessness. Look around any day and you'll see drivers doing all sorts of dangerous things and engaging in all sorts of risky behavior.

Rather than blaming the weight of the vehicles, how about we all start taking some personal responsibility for our driving habits? So many people want to drive like cowboys. It's a bit like guns. By themselves they do nothing, but in the wrong hands or when treated irresponsibly and misused the outcome can be tragic.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:38 AM on 05/20/2009
- larmarch5 I'm a Fan of larmarch5 53 fans permalink
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Only if they are hit by a bubba. What good is my life if I, but driving a big vehicle, take the lives of others?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:25 PM on 05/20/2009
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