Senate Votes To Block Funds For Guantanamo Closure

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DAVID ESPO | May 20, 2009 08:34 PM EST | AP

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A security agent talks into his microphone as FBI Director Robert Mueller chats with House Judiciary Committee member Rep. Adam Schiff, D-Calif., on Capitol Hill in Washington, Wednesday, May 20, 2009, prior to Mueller testifying before the committee. (AP Photo/Harry Hamburg)

WASHINGTON — In a rare, bipartisan defeat for President Barack Obama, the Senate voted overwhelmingly Wednesday to keep the prison at Guantanamo Bay open for the foreseeable future and forbid the transfer of any detainees to facilities in the United States.

Democrats lined up with Republicans in the 90-6 vote that came on the heels of a similar move a week ago in the House, underscoring widespread apprehension among Obama's congressional allies over voters' strong feelings about bringing detainees to the U.S. from the prison in Cuba.

The president readied a speech for Thursday morning on the U.S. fight against terrorism, at a time when liberals have chafed at some of his decisions.

In spite of lawmakers' concerns, the Obama administration plans to send a top al-Qaida suspect held at Guantanamo Bay to New York to stand trial for the deadly 1998 bombings of U.S. embassies in Africa, an administration official told The Associated Press on Wednesday. The suspect, Ahmed Ghailani, would be the first Guantanamo detainee brought to the U.S. and the first to face trial in a civilian criminal court.

Obama has vowed to close the prison by January 2010, and the Senate's vote was not the final word on the matter. It will be next month at the earliest before Congress completes work on the legislation, giving the White House time pursue a compromise that would allow the president to fulfill his pledge.

But Obama's maneuvering room was further constrained during the day when FBI Director Robert Mueller told a congressional panel that he had concerns about bringing Guantanamo Bay detainees to prisons in the United States. Among the risks is "the potential for individuals undertaking attacks in the United States," said Mueller, who was appointed by President George W. Bush in 2001 and is serving a 10-year fixed term in office.

Additionally, U.S. District Judge John Bates ruled this week that some prisoners _ but not all _ can be held indefinitely at Guantanamo without being charged, thus increasing the pressure on the administration to develop a plan for the men held there.

After the Senate vote, White House press secretary Robert Gibbs said, "The president understands that his most important job is to keep the American people safe and that he is not going to make any decision or any judgment that imperils the safety of the American people."

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He added Obama has not yet decided where some of the detainees will be sent. A presidential commission is studying the issue.

There was no suspense in the moments leading to the Senate vote, although Democrats maneuvered to take political credit for denying Obama funds he sought to close the prison. They hoped to negate weeks of Republican warnings about the danger involved.

Sen. Daniel Inouye, D-Hawaii, chairman of the Appropriations Committee, favors closing Guantanamo, and the legislation his panel originally sent to the floor provided money for that purpose once the administration submitted a plan for the shutdown.

In changing course and seeking to delete the funds, he said, "The fact that the administration has not offered a workable plan at this point made that decision rather easy."

All six opponents of the proposal were Democrats: Sens. Dick Durbin of Illinois, Tom Harkin of Iowa, Patrick Leahy of Vermont, Carl Levin of Michigan, and Jack Reed and Sheldon Whitehouse of Rhode Island.

The administration asked for $80 million to close the facility. Obama promised repeatedly as a presidential candidate to shut down the prison, calling it a blot on the international image of the United States.

Even in voting to deny him the funds, Obama's Democratic allies insisted the president was fundamentally correct.

"Guantanamo is used by al-Qaida as a symbol of American abuse of Muslims and is fanning the flames of anti-Americanism around the world," said Sen. Dianne Feinstein of California.

And Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid of Nevada, who had said on Tuesday he opposed allowing detainees to be transferred to U.S. prisons, signaled he might change his mind on that point. "If the administration proposes a plan that recommends the transfer of some detainees to American prisons, he will evaluate it carefully and make a judgment at that time," said spokesman Jim Manley.

The lopsided vote was a victory for the Senate Republicans, who have recently turned their attention to Obama's policies on foreign policy and terrorism after failing to make headway in criticizing his economic program.

Sen. Mitch McConnell, R-Ky., has delivered numerous speeches in recent weeks raising pointed questions about Obama's plans to close the prison without first explaining where the men held there would be sent. "For months, we have been saying what Senate Democrats now acknowledge: that because the administration has no plan for what to do with the 240 detainees at Guantanamo, it would be irresponsible and dangerous for the Senate to appropriate the money to close it," McConnell said shortly before the vote.

The Republican leader also won approval for a separate terror-related provision later in the day. On a vote of 92-3, the Senate agreed to require the administration, before releasing any detainee, to inform Congress of the likelihood that he would return to terrorism. It also would report on any effort al-Qaida may be making to recruit detainees once they're released from U.S. custody.

Obama came to office pledging a dramatic change in George W. Bush's terrorism policy. In the months since, he has woven an uncertain course, occasionally angering liberals.

He first backed the cancellation of military tribunals for prisoners, then announced he wanted them resumed with greater legal protections for the accused. Last week, he reversed course on another issue, deciding to appeal a court-ordered release of prisoner-abuse photos taken at Abu Ghraib in Iraq.

Several Republicans praised Obama for those very steps.

"I commend him for being very willing to change his opinion in light of having access to the intelligence he didn't have access to" as a candidate, said Sen. Orrin Hatch of Utah.

FBI Director Mueller made his comments before the House Judiciary Committee.

Prodded by Rep. Jerrold Nadler, D-N.Y., to agree that Guantanamo detainees could be kept safely in maximum security prisoners in the United States, Mueller declined. He noted that in some instances gang leaders have run their gangs from inside prisons.

If Reid has appeared equivocal on the possible transfer of prisoners, Sen. Richard Durbin of Illinois, the second-in-command among Democrats, pointed out that no one has ever escaped from a federal "supermax" prison and that 347 convicted terrorists are among those held in them.

That drew some support from Sen. Lindsey Graham, R-S.C. "The idea that we cannot find a place to securely house 250-plus detainees within the United States is not rational," he said.

Not all Republicans were thinking along the same lines.

"No good purpose is served by allowing known terrorists, who trained at terrorist training camps, to come to the U.S. and live among us," said Rep. Lamar Smith of Texas. "Guantanamo Bay was never meant to be an Ellis Island."

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Associated Press writers Devlin Barrett, Nedra Pickler and Andrew Taylor contributed to this report.

WASHINGTON — In a rare, bipartisan defeat for President Barack Obama, the Senate voted overwhelmingly Wednesday to keep the prison at Guantanamo Bay open for the foreseeable future and forbid th...
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Pathetic.

I've never voted Republican. Now I won't vote for either major party.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:07 PM on 05/20/2009
- FairTalk I'm a Fan of FairTalk 18 fans permalink
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I have never been a member of either party. Nor any other.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:13 PM on 05/20/2009
- barksalot I'm a Fan of barksalot 44 fans permalink

The same people who think we should move these terrorists here because of the torture at gitmo are saying that they will suffer more here from other prisoners. Why then if this is a concern would you want them moved here? Because Obama wants it?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:46 PM on 05/20/2009
- v eyepete I'm a Fan of v eyepete 31 fans permalink

It is interesting to me the these esteemed Senators want to keep all our multitudes of killers here at home with us in horrible places always in need of reform and somehow feel this place in the Caribbean should be exclusively for people they have turned into the boogie men.

The people being detained on that island south of us can not be worse than our own street gangs or perhaps high school children packing guns. Even if they did escape they would have to face our mean streets, and I doubt if those people on the streets have even one tenth the fear that our white collar criminals in Washington have. Perhaps we should just elect people with bigger onions next time around.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:43 PM on 05/20/2009
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v eyepete
It was far easier and more fun for Obama and the leading democrats to find fault with Bush for the way he was detaining indefinitely at Gitmo tha collection of misfits,psychos and bloodthirsty lunatics that are currently residing there.Now that Obama has resposibility for what might happen if they are released or transferred to the USA it's all different. People are forgetting what happened on 9-11 and how serious the threat of another attack really is. This stupid argument over water-boarding is too much. Who would object to using any tool available to get info from a terrorist if your life or that of your family depended on it ? After all the terrorist has no moral right to withold life saving info. and he can stop the pain at any time by giving up the information. No different from using lethal force to defend yourself from any aggressor who means to do you harm. The terrorist has the power in this situation and we are only defending ourselves(enhanced interrogations) in trying to get the information needed to prevent an attack. Remember the terrorists is the aggressor even if he's in jail and restrained.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:52 PM on 05/20/2009
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'Mueller, who was appointed by President George W. Bush in 2001 and is serving a 10-year fixed term in office".

Bushites are all in the mix (Mueller-FBI). President Obama has an uphill battle. He is learning so much in a short period of time. He knows he's not going to be given the latitude that Bush was given. President Obama will regroup and approach this from another angle.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:42 PM on 05/20/2009
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Despicable DINO DLC Cowards!

Tortured these prisoners,

so no we have to hold them till they are dead.

God save your souls.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:42 PM on 05/20/2009

Don't blame the Senators, this is all on Obama and his making them take the heat for not closing Gitmo. Mr. Obama is learning the real world facts, which is why all the "constitution shredding" processes are still in place. Mr. Obama is great at avoiding responsibility though, he's never held a responsible position in his life, and he's happy to have others take the hit for him.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:35 PM on 05/20/2009
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So you're telling me .... Obama made them vote "NO" & told them what to say for the reason for their "NO" vote .. You give Obama to much credit ...

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:44 PM on 05/20/2009
- FairTalk I'm a Fan of FairTalk 18 fans permalink
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Well I agree that Obama may give a sigh of relief, now that he is privy to the intelligence of CIA and FBI, reather than a subject of it. But don't confuse him with the Democrats, after all, everyone has to join either the Repubs or dem party if they want to get elected. Just ask Arlen.

Oh, BTW, how did Arlen vote on this?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:18 PM on 05/20/2009

No I dont think so, this gives Congress more cover and makes Obama look rather foolish. Because no way going to be send these prisoners abroad. How many countries have actually offered to take them? I have not heard of any specifics there either. And letting them on U.S. soil, then no trials? I dont know makes the administration look bad across the board.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:28 PM on 05/20/2009
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how many countries created this mess

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:26 AM on 05/21/2009
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If you want to call congress to thank those 6 senators, the switchboard # is 202-224-3121

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:30 PM on 05/20/2009

Those six senators are misdirection at best, possibly anti-Obama. If the latter we'll be seeing their punishment in time.
Mr. Obama directed the funds to be with held so he wouldn't have to take the heat of not closing Gitmo, a closure that any sane person sees as impractical.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:40 PM on 05/20/2009
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You must be directly involved with the administration to be privy to such information. Do you have any proof to back up your assertions? No? Didn't think so.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:56 PM on 05/20/2009
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The 6 Senators who voted FOR the Closure of Gitmo (actually a Nay vote) were:
DURBIN (D-IL)
HARKIN (D-IA)
LEAHEY (D-VT)
LEVIN (D-MI)
REED (D-RI)
WHITEHOUSE (D-RI)
I'm calling them to thank them!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:21 PM on 05/20/2009
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Thank you for that list.

http://www.thehamandlegsshow.com

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:24 PM on 05/20/2009
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I'll be thanking them too. :)

http://www.thehamandlegsshow.com

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:27 PM on 05/20/2009
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DONT Reed at least voted against the funding for the closure.

Harry Reid on Gitmo: We don't want terrorists in the U.S.
Harry Reid on Gitmo: We don't want terrorists in the U.S. ( http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0509/22710.html )

This is a horrible sham Obama and the Dems are in on.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:30 PM on 05/20/2009
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Sorry you are right wrong Reid - for GODS sake don't congratulate the wrong one!!!!! Harry Reid was the Major Voice opposing transfer and closure.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:36 PM on 05/20/2009
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YO!
It was JACK REED from RHODE ISLAND!!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:20 PM on 05/20/2009

Joe Lieberman just said today that gitmo is one of the best prisons in the world today to have war crime criminals lodged. Basically Obama had the cart before the horse!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:05 PM on 05/20/2009
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Hes a hero , up is down and black is white.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:31 PM on 05/20/2009
- v eyepete I'm a Fan of v eyepete 31 fans permalink

Can we say the words "concentration camp." Absolutely shameful!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:32 PM on 05/20/2009
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After hearing some views of why the Republicans don't want the terrorist's in our max. prison's i am totally convinced there's more to this then is being told i heard Kit Bond say he is afraid there going to corrupt our prisoners into being a terrorist or better yet there may get a visit from other terrorist on visitation day. Holy crap what is this guy smoking,this is definatly a WTF moment here! First of all those in mates would love to shank some terrorist's that had a hand in killing 3000 of our own people and as far as some one visiting them how does this pin head think they will even get into this country. I think what's really going on here is they don't want those Arabs telling the truth as to whats really going on like maybe this whole terrorist thing is a CIA plan!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:46 PM on 05/20/2009
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I'm sure those in Gitmo would not want to be in a prison population in America. In addition to being shanked, they would very likely be the recipients of copious unwanted rectal intrusions.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:54 PM on 05/20/2009
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den1953 tell me about it when some radical terrorists get together in Kansas and hold 100 children hostage until you release their comrade. So just put them in your city and I'll let you take the responsibility if any thing happens. Remember these people would cheer if there was another 9/11 or worse.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:30 PM on 05/20/2009
- research I'm a Fan of research 257 fans permalink

The GOP conservative fear machine still makes the dem senators jump.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:42 PM on 05/20/2009
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Why?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:47 PM on 05/20/2009
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Because they are cowards, duh.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:50 PM on 05/20/2009

Would someone tell me why it would cost $80 million to close the prison? Why could they not just abandon it or use it for something else? I saw on the news last night a story about a newer prison in Idaho that is vacant and Idaho would accept 100 of the detainees which would be great for their struggling economy.

Remember, the government has admitted that some of these men are totally innocent of any wrong doing. Couldn't we, as Americans, at least house them in a facility with some comfort until we figure out the best disposition of the problem.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:31 PM on 05/20/2009
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I'm going to be a conspiracy theorist here, but I think Obama may have had his Dems in Congress jump on the sword for him on this one. Closing Gitmo sounded great, but the reality of it was something he didn't realize. Other countries were not willing to take these prisoners, and putting these guys in US jails just seems problematic. One of his central themes as a candidate, this would of been a clear flip flop on Obama, and I think the everyone realize that if they wanted to have a full 8 years, this was one thing that he couldn't publicly flip flop on. So they took away the money, and now Obama doesn't have to be held accountable on Gitmo.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:28 PM on 05/20/2009
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There is no problem with keeping the prisoners here in our very safe prisons, till they get their hearing. If no evidence, return to whence they came. with some pocket money, if evidence, try them in a regular federal court, if guilty, punish, if innocents release. If we tortured anybody they deserve compensation and an apology.

Let's get the terrorists, but let's not create more enemies by abandoning or legal system and torturing prisoners not convicted in a fair trial. God help those sentenced to our prisons: for they will be tortured there too.

The USA has descending into self righteous brutality. Sparta mocking Athens, A police state of mind assumes all kindness is bleeding heart liberal naivete.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:47 PM on 05/20/2009
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This vote was no rebuke of Pres. Oboma it was a direct slap in the face to the American voters who gave our senators their jobs. HP seems to forget daily the government is responsible to the people and only the people.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:13 PM on 05/20/2009
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All I can figure is their paranoid and delusional constituents worked the phones. Apparently it hasn't crossed through the minds of some that such illustrious criminals as the Shoe Bomber, the Blind Sheik (WTC attack #1), the "American Taliban" guy, as well as the garden variety home grown serial killers are already on American soil. If American prisons can't accommodate these people, we've got bigger problems than closing Gitmo.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:08 PM on 05/20/2009
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