Senate Votes To Block Funds For Guantanamo Closure

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DAVID ESPO | May 20, 2009 08:34 PM EST | AP

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A security agent talks into his microphone as FBI Director Robert Mueller chats with House Judiciary Committee member Rep. Adam Schiff, D-Calif., on Capitol Hill in Washington, Wednesday, May 20, 2009, prior to Mueller testifying before the committee. (AP Photo/Harry Hamburg)

WASHINGTON — In a rare, bipartisan defeat for President Barack Obama, the Senate voted overwhelmingly Wednesday to keep the prison at Guantanamo Bay open for the foreseeable future and forbid the transfer of any detainees to facilities in the United States.

Democrats lined up with Republicans in the 90-6 vote that came on the heels of a similar move a week ago in the House, underscoring widespread apprehension among Obama's congressional allies over voters' strong feelings about bringing detainees to the U.S. from the prison in Cuba.

The president readied a speech for Thursday morning on the U.S. fight against terrorism, at a time when liberals have chafed at some of his decisions.

In spite of lawmakers' concerns, the Obama administration plans to send a top al-Qaida suspect held at Guantanamo Bay to New York to stand trial for the deadly 1998 bombings of U.S. embassies in Africa, an administration official told The Associated Press on Wednesday. The suspect, Ahmed Ghailani, would be the first Guantanamo detainee brought to the U.S. and the first to face trial in a civilian criminal court.

Obama has vowed to close the prison by January 2010, and the Senate's vote was not the final word on the matter. It will be next month at the earliest before Congress completes work on the legislation, giving the White House time pursue a compromise that would allow the president to fulfill his pledge.

But Obama's maneuvering room was further constrained during the day when FBI Director Robert Mueller told a congressional panel that he had concerns about bringing Guantanamo Bay detainees to prisons in the United States. Among the risks is "the potential for individuals undertaking attacks in the United States," said Mueller, who was appointed by President George W. Bush in 2001 and is serving a 10-year fixed term in office.

Additionally, U.S. District Judge John Bates ruled this week that some prisoners _ but not all _ can be held indefinitely at Guantanamo without being charged, thus increasing the pressure on the administration to develop a plan for the men held there.

After the Senate vote, White House press secretary Robert Gibbs said, "The president understands that his most important job is to keep the American people safe and that he is not going to make any decision or any judgment that imperils the safety of the American people."

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He added Obama has not yet decided where some of the detainees will be sent. A presidential commission is studying the issue.

There was no suspense in the moments leading to the Senate vote, although Democrats maneuvered to take political credit for denying Obama funds he sought to close the prison. They hoped to negate weeks of Republican warnings about the danger involved.

Sen. Daniel Inouye, D-Hawaii, chairman of the Appropriations Committee, favors closing Guantanamo, and the legislation his panel originally sent to the floor provided money for that purpose once the administration submitted a plan for the shutdown.

In changing course and seeking to delete the funds, he said, "The fact that the administration has not offered a workable plan at this point made that decision rather easy."

All six opponents of the proposal were Democrats: Sens. Dick Durbin of Illinois, Tom Harkin of Iowa, Patrick Leahy of Vermont, Carl Levin of Michigan, and Jack Reed and Sheldon Whitehouse of Rhode Island.

The administration asked for $80 million to close the facility. Obama promised repeatedly as a presidential candidate to shut down the prison, calling it a blot on the international image of the United States.

Even in voting to deny him the funds, Obama's Democratic allies insisted the president was fundamentally correct.

"Guantanamo is used by al-Qaida as a symbol of American abuse of Muslims and is fanning the flames of anti-Americanism around the world," said Sen. Dianne Feinstein of California.

And Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid of Nevada, who had said on Tuesday he opposed allowing detainees to be transferred to U.S. prisons, signaled he might change his mind on that point. "If the administration proposes a plan that recommends the transfer of some detainees to American prisons, he will evaluate it carefully and make a judgment at that time," said spokesman Jim Manley.

The lopsided vote was a victory for the Senate Republicans, who have recently turned their attention to Obama's policies on foreign policy and terrorism after failing to make headway in criticizing his economic program.

Sen. Mitch McConnell, R-Ky., has delivered numerous speeches in recent weeks raising pointed questions about Obama's plans to close the prison without first explaining where the men held there would be sent. "For months, we have been saying what Senate Democrats now acknowledge: that because the administration has no plan for what to do with the 240 detainees at Guantanamo, it would be irresponsible and dangerous for the Senate to appropriate the money to close it," McConnell said shortly before the vote.

The Republican leader also won approval for a separate terror-related provision later in the day. On a vote of 92-3, the Senate agreed to require the administration, before releasing any detainee, to inform Congress of the likelihood that he would return to terrorism. It also would report on any effort al-Qaida may be making to recruit detainees once they're released from U.S. custody.

Obama came to office pledging a dramatic change in George W. Bush's terrorism policy. In the months since, he has woven an uncertain course, occasionally angering liberals.

He first backed the cancellation of military tribunals for prisoners, then announced he wanted them resumed with greater legal protections for the accused. Last week, he reversed course on another issue, deciding to appeal a court-ordered release of prisoner-abuse photos taken at Abu Ghraib in Iraq.

Several Republicans praised Obama for those very steps.

"I commend him for being very willing to change his opinion in light of having access to the intelligence he didn't have access to" as a candidate, said Sen. Orrin Hatch of Utah.

FBI Director Mueller made his comments before the House Judiciary Committee.

Prodded by Rep. Jerrold Nadler, D-N.Y., to agree that Guantanamo detainees could be kept safely in maximum security prisoners in the United States, Mueller declined. He noted that in some instances gang leaders have run their gangs from inside prisons.

If Reid has appeared equivocal on the possible transfer of prisoners, Sen. Richard Durbin of Illinois, the second-in-command among Democrats, pointed out that no one has ever escaped from a federal "supermax" prison and that 347 convicted terrorists are among those held in them.

That drew some support from Sen. Lindsey Graham, R-S.C. "The idea that we cannot find a place to securely house 250-plus detainees within the United States is not rational," he said.

Not all Republicans were thinking along the same lines.

"No good purpose is served by allowing known terrorists, who trained at terrorist training camps, to come to the U.S. and live among us," said Rep. Lamar Smith of Texas. "Guantanamo Bay was never meant to be an Ellis Island."

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Associated Press writers Devlin Barrett, Nedra Pickler and Andrew Taylor contributed to this report.

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The Senate voted to keep the animals in the cages they belong in. Don't see why all of the lefies around here have such a big issue with it. As long as they will recieving due process what difference does it make where they are being detained?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:00 PM on 05/20/2009
- ppp1604 I'm a Fan of ppp1604 6 fans permalink
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Too bad no one has put you Republican Animals Away!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:02 PM on 05/20/2009
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Dems keep things up the only people being put anywhere will be them, and that will be out of office.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:07 PM on 05/20/2009
- GeorgeP922 I'm a Fan of GeorgeP922 107 fans permalink
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Animals, tell me sir how are you different then a German patriot circa 1941, please explain.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:02 PM on 05/20/2009
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Tell me why terrorist criminals deserve to brought onto american siol and be afforded protections they are not entitled to.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:03 PM on 05/20/2009
- kdublya I'm a Fan of kdublya 122 fans permalink
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"As long as they will recieving due process what difference does it make where they are being detained?

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I agree with this part of your statement.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:15 PM on 05/20/2009
- dzent1 I'm a Fan of dzent1 82 fans permalink
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At the very least, I will be voting out ALL senate incumbents who supposedly "represent" me and my family. I will be voting in the future for ONLY those candidates who prove their concern for the well-being of all human beings. I am sick to death of year after year of liars, promise breakers and prevaricators, all of them corporate owned lock stock and barrel. Prove it to yourself by looking up their major donors - you'll find they are the vested interests of war, agribusiness, oil, banking and insurance.

G*d d*mmit! There has to be a better way to get the right and moral thing done in America. Who the hell needs Republicans to do the dirty work when the Democrats seem to leap at the chance to show they can be every bit the b*stards the GOP have been for the last however many years?

Progressives, make yourselves heard!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:00 PM on 05/20/2009
- johnosahon I'm a Fan of johnosahon 6 fans permalink

if they close it, what will they use as an running tool for the 2010 or 2012 election?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:59 PM on 05/20/2009
- Zofomofo I'm a Fan of Zofomofo 45 fans permalink
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The argument that these "terrorists" are dangerous is a Red Herring!
(Besides are they suspects?)

Either way this is a smoke screen, what is the truth in the dissent?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:59 PM on 05/20/2009

I am di.sgus.te­d with my senators, who both voted for this gar.bage. How can we get past the stain of our collective decision to implement torture if we don't stop it AND close the most infamous symbol of its use.

Do they think that these people will magically disappear if we leave them in Gitmo?

Graham was right! We can't handle a little over 200 criminal defendants in our mutli-million person prison system?
I think we can be safe AND do it legally.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:57 PM on 05/20/2009
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You make a good point. Opponents of closing Guantanimo keep fear-mongering about the inmates "walking our streets". That isn't where most of them would end up, I suspect. More political s t upidity on a topic about which little intelligent can be said.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:01 PM on 05/20/2009

The United States of America the country motivated and driven by fear. If the world wasn't so horrified an disgusted with all the killing and torturing they would consider America to be the laughing stock of the world.

Won't be long before people will be wrapping their houses in Saran Wrap again.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:56 PM on 05/20/2009
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Duct tape -- the gift that keeps on giving....

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:06 PM on 05/20/2009

America, Land of the chained, home of the afraid.

If we can't keep prisoners inprisoned in our prisons, what's to keep the psychopaths already there (such as Manson and Dalmer) from breaking out?

Americans are afraid of their own shadows.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:55 PM on 05/20/2009
- Paul I'm a Fan of Paul 32 fans permalink

Exactly.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:56 PM on 05/20/2009
- Bardmess I'm a Fan of Bardmess 13 fans permalink

Good question for the NIMBYs. It's political posturing for a very silly and imaginary population.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:59 PM on 05/20/2009
- power1 I'm a Fan of power1 4 fans permalink

Let these scumbags at GITMO rot.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:55 PM on 05/20/2009
- milman1 I'm a Fan of milman1 9 fans permalink

Let's abolish the court system, we have you. Super max is match for the detainee's. Be afraid you rugged individualist.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:58 PM on 05/20/2009

And how do we KNOW who are the truly guilty people?

There has been only ONE "trial" regarding any prisoner at Gitmo and he was convicted of being a driver.

How would you feel if you were picked up by the police and put in jail for 5-7 years without charges and no prospect of defending yourself?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:00 PM on 05/20/2009
- milman1 I'm a Fan of milman1 9 fans permalink

Police, how about picked up by Dostum the Afghan "warlord" for bounty.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:02 PM on 05/20/2009
- Defunct I'm a Fan of Defunct 13 fans permalink

Bush, Cheney, Rumsfeld and soon to be added as an enabler, Obush run free on US soil. Have done more to destroy the US than anyone at Gitmo could ever imagine.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:52 PM on 05/20/2009
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How do you libs stay on your feet,

with your leaders pulling the rug out from under you every five minutes?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:52 PM on 05/20/2009
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And yours don't? I stick with Obama over L i mbaugh any day of the week, Saturdays and Sundays included.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:56 PM on 05/20/2009
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Easy, we don't have any qualms about criticizing them unlike republickers that follow that old Raygun 11th commandment that you don't criticize your own.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:57 PM on 05/20/2009
- Jtt I'm a Fan of Jtt 39 fans permalink
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How do you "conservatives" still show your faces after how much you spent and how much it is costing to fix your messes.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:59 PM on 05/20/2009
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Not all Libs are Democrats sucker.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:00 PM on 05/20/2009

At least we aren't afraid to question those for whom we have voted.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:01 PM on 05/20/2009
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Reid should leave his leadership position since he lacks any .... leadership that is.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:51 PM on 05/20/2009
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I try to avoid thinking in "should's". Will? No. Won't? Yes.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:58 PM on 05/20/2009
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You must be really bad, if you were banned in Boston.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:18 PM on 05/20/2009
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I think the 2010 mid term may well be a day of reckoning for Harry.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:59 PM on 05/20/2009
- Jtt I'm a Fan of Jtt 39 fans permalink
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Reid is actually a total disgrace to the party. After what he said he needs to go. Along with a few others in high places. I dont think he will be reelected.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:01 PM on 05/20/2009

Senator John Thune said: "The American people don't want these men walking the streets of America's neighborhoods,"

Not in America? Ok. How about Texas? Secession is favored by a majority there anyway. We could issue each detainee $200 for travel and a map of Texas. We could even mark the location of George Bush's and Dick Cheney's houses. That way they might drop by and talk about some of the good times they had at Gitmo.

For the greatest country on Earth, why are we always so frightened?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:50 PM on 05/20/2009
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It's just another excuse for not caring.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:52 PM on 05/20/2009

How is it that Democrats cannot find anyone to counter the Republican spin on this? This is yet another BOGUS concern ginned up by the Repugs and our "leaders" are just caving.

Is Pelosi the only one in DC who knows how to fight back when attacked??

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:49 PM on 05/20/2009
- serena1313 I'm a Fan of serena1313 47 fans permalink

Our lawmakers are acting like petulant children.

Have they forgotten well-known terrorists are imprisoned in the US? For example:

1) Omar Abdel-Rahman: Islamic terrorist, better known as the "blind sheik," involved in 1993 WTC bombing

2) Theodore Kacyznski: the "unabomber"

3) Richard Reid: the "shoe bomber"

4) Ramzi Yousef: Islamic terrorist involved in 1993 WTC bombing

5) Mahmud Abouhalima: Islamic Mujahideen leader involved in 1993 WTC bombing

Those are just a few who are locked-up in the US. We have military prisons in the US that are more than sufficient. We have supermax prisons. People like Charles Manson and other serial killers are securely locked away. So what makes the detainees at Guantanamo any worse?

Guantanamo symbolizes American brutality, lawlessness, torture, hypocrisy, inhumanity and every other associated violation imaginable. Outside 5%, prisoners were mischaracterized as the worst of the worst. They were confined to tiny cages, treated like animals, tortured, abused and humiliated to no end.

Instead of adhering to American values and principles we proved to the world we are nothing but hypocrites.

Shutting down Guantanamo is only one-step, but it is the right one to take. Not doing so would do irreparable harm. Why our lawmakers cannot understand that is beyond me. It shows, too, that they should not have their hands on levers of power. We need grown-ups, not petulant children at the helm.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:48 PM on 05/20/2009

Seriously.

This is just IGNORANT.

Someone explain why Gitmo detainees are magical genies that will just float out of Supermax prisons?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:53 PM on 05/20/2009
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Its all about re-election, NO Senator wants to be accused of allowing those detainees to be brought to their State.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:01 PM on 05/20/2009
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From the other thread story:

"Earlier this year, Bates ordered the Obama administration to give its definition of whom the United States can continue to hold at Guantanamo. ***The administration responded with a definition that was largely similar to the Bush administra­tion's****­, drawing criticism from human rights advocates.­"

There you have it. This is a game, pass the blame nothing Changes.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:48 PM on 05/20/2009
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