Senate Votes To Block Funds For Guantanamo Closure

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DAVID ESPO | May 20, 2009 08:34 PM EST | AP

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A security agent talks into his microphone as FBI Director Robert Mueller chats with House Judiciary Committee member Rep. Adam Schiff, D-Calif., on Capitol Hill in Washington, Wednesday, May 20, 2009, prior to Mueller testifying before the committee. (AP Photo/Harry Hamburg)

WASHINGTON — In a rare, bipartisan defeat for President Barack Obama, the Senate voted overwhelmingly Wednesday to keep the prison at Guantanamo Bay open for the foreseeable future and forbid the transfer of any detainees to facilities in the United States.

Democrats lined up with Republicans in the 90-6 vote that came on the heels of a similar move a week ago in the House, underscoring widespread apprehension among Obama's congressional allies over voters' strong feelings about bringing detainees to the U.S. from the prison in Cuba.

The president readied a speech for Thursday morning on the U.S. fight against terrorism, at a time when liberals have chafed at some of his decisions.

In spite of lawmakers' concerns, the Obama administration plans to send a top al-Qaida suspect held at Guantanamo Bay to New York to stand trial for the deadly 1998 bombings of U.S. embassies in Africa, an administration official told The Associated Press on Wednesday. The suspect, Ahmed Ghailani, would be the first Guantanamo detainee brought to the U.S. and the first to face trial in a civilian criminal court.

Obama has vowed to close the prison by January 2010, and the Senate's vote was not the final word on the matter. It will be next month at the earliest before Congress completes work on the legislation, giving the White House time pursue a compromise that would allow the president to fulfill his pledge.

But Obama's maneuvering room was further constrained during the day when FBI Director Robert Mueller told a congressional panel that he had concerns about bringing Guantanamo Bay detainees to prisons in the United States. Among the risks is "the potential for individuals undertaking attacks in the United States," said Mueller, who was appointed by President George W. Bush in 2001 and is serving a 10-year fixed term in office.

Additionally, U.S. District Judge John Bates ruled this week that some prisoners _ but not all _ can be held indefinitely at Guantanamo without being charged, thus increasing the pressure on the administration to develop a plan for the men held there.

After the Senate vote, White House press secretary Robert Gibbs said, "The president understands that his most important job is to keep the American people safe and that he is not going to make any decision or any judgment that imperils the safety of the American people."

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He added Obama has not yet decided where some of the detainees will be sent. A presidential commission is studying the issue.

There was no suspense in the moments leading to the Senate vote, although Democrats maneuvered to take political credit for denying Obama funds he sought to close the prison. They hoped to negate weeks of Republican warnings about the danger involved.

Sen. Daniel Inouye, D-Hawaii, chairman of the Appropriations Committee, favors closing Guantanamo, and the legislation his panel originally sent to the floor provided money for that purpose once the administration submitted a plan for the shutdown.

In changing course and seeking to delete the funds, he said, "The fact that the administration has not offered a workable plan at this point made that decision rather easy."

All six opponents of the proposal were Democrats: Sens. Dick Durbin of Illinois, Tom Harkin of Iowa, Patrick Leahy of Vermont, Carl Levin of Michigan, and Jack Reed and Sheldon Whitehouse of Rhode Island.

The administration asked for $80 million to close the facility. Obama promised repeatedly as a presidential candidate to shut down the prison, calling it a blot on the international image of the United States.

Even in voting to deny him the funds, Obama's Democratic allies insisted the president was fundamentally correct.

"Guantanamo is used by al-Qaida as a symbol of American abuse of Muslims and is fanning the flames of anti-Americanism around the world," said Sen. Dianne Feinstein of California.

And Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid of Nevada, who had said on Tuesday he opposed allowing detainees to be transferred to U.S. prisons, signaled he might change his mind on that point. "If the administration proposes a plan that recommends the transfer of some detainees to American prisons, he will evaluate it carefully and make a judgment at that time," said spokesman Jim Manley.

The lopsided vote was a victory for the Senate Republicans, who have recently turned their attention to Obama's policies on foreign policy and terrorism after failing to make headway in criticizing his economic program.

Sen. Mitch McConnell, R-Ky., has delivered numerous speeches in recent weeks raising pointed questions about Obama's plans to close the prison without first explaining where the men held there would be sent. "For months, we have been saying what Senate Democrats now acknowledge: that because the administration has no plan for what to do with the 240 detainees at Guantanamo, it would be irresponsible and dangerous for the Senate to appropriate the money to close it," McConnell said shortly before the vote.

The Republican leader also won approval for a separate terror-related provision later in the day. On a vote of 92-3, the Senate agreed to require the administration, before releasing any detainee, to inform Congress of the likelihood that he would return to terrorism. It also would report on any effort al-Qaida may be making to recruit detainees once they're released from U.S. custody.

Obama came to office pledging a dramatic change in George W. Bush's terrorism policy. In the months since, he has woven an uncertain course, occasionally angering liberals.

He first backed the cancellation of military tribunals for prisoners, then announced he wanted them resumed with greater legal protections for the accused. Last week, he reversed course on another issue, deciding to appeal a court-ordered release of prisoner-abuse photos taken at Abu Ghraib in Iraq.

Several Republicans praised Obama for those very steps.

"I commend him for being very willing to change his opinion in light of having access to the intelligence he didn't have access to" as a candidate, said Sen. Orrin Hatch of Utah.

FBI Director Mueller made his comments before the House Judiciary Committee.

Prodded by Rep. Jerrold Nadler, D-N.Y., to agree that Guantanamo detainees could be kept safely in maximum security prisoners in the United States, Mueller declined. He noted that in some instances gang leaders have run their gangs from inside prisons.

If Reid has appeared equivocal on the possible transfer of prisoners, Sen. Richard Durbin of Illinois, the second-in-command among Democrats, pointed out that no one has ever escaped from a federal "supermax" prison and that 347 convicted terrorists are among those held in them.

That drew some support from Sen. Lindsey Graham, R-S.C. "The idea that we cannot find a place to securely house 250-plus detainees within the United States is not rational," he said.

Not all Republicans were thinking along the same lines.

"No good purpose is served by allowing known terrorists, who trained at terrorist training camps, to come to the U.S. and live among us," said Rep. Lamar Smith of Texas. "Guantanamo Bay was never meant to be an Ellis Island."

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Associated Press writers Devlin Barrett, Nedra Pickler and Andrew Taylor contributed to this report.

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- ppp1604 I'm a Fan of ppp1604 6 fans permalink
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Change? So much for Change!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:46 PM on 05/20/2009

The American people don't want these men walking the streets of America's neighborhoods," Sen. John Thune, R-S.D., said Wednesday. "The American people don't want these detainees held at a military base or federal prison in their backyard, either."

Interesting when you consider how many really really bad people are already living in our neighborhoods and walking our streets who have a legitmate right to be there. and yes, they are just as terrorizing as these supposed gitmo folks. sad world we live in when we can't see the forest for the trees. Alice in Wonderland.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:45 PM on 05/20/2009
- Paul I'm a Fan of Paul 32 fans permalink

Perhaps a camp in Poland would be appropriate, where they can be gassed and cremated.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:50 PM on 05/20/2009
- KeysDan I'm a Fan of KeysDan 23 fans permalink

What is the matter with these Jerks? Whenever you catch POW's, criminals, whatever, you put them in your camps or prisons. No some other country's.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:41 PM on 05/20/2009
- FairTalk I'm a Fan of FairTalk 18 fans permalink
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I think the way it should be, is done, is to return them to the country they are from, not the country they were picked up in.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:44 PM on 05/20/2009
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What if they're innocent and wrongly imprisoned? (It does happen, you know and, apparently happened a lot in Afghanistan.)

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:51 PM on 05/20/2009
- research I'm a Fan of research 283 fans permalink

Cowards afraid of the consequences of their torture war crimes.

Disgusting.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:41 PM on 05/20/2009
- tnfit78 I'm a Fan of tnfit78 14 fans permalink
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Pete Seat and some fixed news model is currently on Fox News saying that this is proving that the Bush administration was right about Gitmo.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:39 PM on 05/20/2009
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Why the hell is Ted Kennedy allowed to hold onto that Senate seat if he's unable to serve? If you're not healthy enough to show up and vote because you're dying from cancer, you should give up your seat so that your state can be represented in the Senate. Bad enough that we only have one Minnesota senator.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:39 PM on 05/20/2009
- MikeOptv2 I'm a Fan of MikeOptv2 6 fans permalink

The Democrats are cowards. This has taught me a lesson.

I have voted Democrat my entire life and now due to this very mistake, I'm going to be voting for all Republican Senate candidates out of spite and others I know are promising to do the same.

We may not agree with the Republicans, but at least they are bold enough to follow through on their beliefs. The democrats are absolute cowards. It's a shame that Obama has to work with and rely on such spineless individuals.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:39 PM on 05/20/2009
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Why does your post sound totally bogus?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:42 PM on 05/20/2009
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Because it is.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:49 PM on 05/20/2009
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Yeah, I think I'll support Al Qaeda. I don't agree with Osama, but at least he's bold enough to follow through on his beliefs.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:43 PM on 05/20/2009
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It is the liberal wing of the party that has taken control. They are incredibly naive and unrealistic.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:44 PM on 05/20/2009
- Jtt I'm a Fan of Jtt 42 fans permalink
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No we have Fiscally Liberal and Socially Conservative Dems and we need the opposite. The republican Party is the same -- just way more extreme on both.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:53 PM on 05/20/2009
- Jtt I'm a Fan of Jtt 42 fans permalink
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They are even worse. How will that help. dems didn't learn a lesson in 8 horrible years.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:48 PM on 05/20/2009
- Bystander I'm a Fan of Bystander 8 fans permalink

And hypocrits!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:49 PM on 05/20/2009
- iceage7 I'm a Fan of iceage7 138 fans permalink

Are these detainees super man that we can not put them in high security prisons in US. I mean this argument that if we bring them here they will escape is all a hog wash. I though we are the greatest super power in the world and can not hold a few men in prison. This is repub scare tactics and dems as usual have no back bone but to cave in.. Dems are always weak. The lose respect.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:39 PM on 05/20/2009
- Jtt I'm a Fan of Jtt 42 fans permalink
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The Democratic Party is becoming about as appealing as a full toilet.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:39 PM on 05/20/2009
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Nobody's perfect. They're still far better than the only available alternative.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:44 PM on 05/20/2009
- Jtt I'm a Fan of Jtt 42 fans permalink
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Obviously - But Im hoping for better then I jump off this bus!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:54 PM on 05/20/2009
- Bystander I'm a Fan of Bystander 8 fans permalink

Flush twice!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:22 PM on 05/20/2009
- jhink465 I'm a Fan of jhink465 13 fans permalink

"Oh say does that star spangled banner yet wave o'er the land of the free and the home of the brave."

The banner still waves but the occupants are now sniveling cowards chained by fear who have forgotten or never knew what that banner stands for.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:38 PM on 05/20/2009

Free the detainees...open the Gitmo gates at midnite.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:37 PM on 05/20/2009
- Jtt I'm a Fan of Jtt 42 fans permalink
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People are so stupid, not to mention what it is costing to keep these folks there.

They should have never been taken from their countries of origin. None of them are "masterminds."

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:37 PM on 05/20/2009
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Many (not all, by any means) Gua nta nimo inmates are innocent men (and boys) who were turned over to US forces in Afghanistan simply for a bounty. A determination needs to be made as to the genuine t err or ists who should continue to be held and the innocent vi ct ims who should be freed (and compensated for that matter - but's that's another issue). Why is this difficult?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:48 PM on 05/20/2009

Close Gitmo...now !! Obama you promised

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:36 PM on 05/20/2009
- Proxy11 I'm a Fan of Proxy11 9 fans permalink
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Tell that to your congressman.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:43 PM on 05/20/2009
- leftword I'm a Fan of leftword 16 fans permalink

Obama promised --- but Congress has to allow it, and they won't.

Blame the cowardly Democrats in Congress for joining the Republicans, The Party of No, in this nonsense. The arguments against closing the prison are incredibly weak --- but weak is exactly what the new breed of Democrats seems to be. Look at the last 8 years!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:47 PM on 05/20/2009
- punkindmb I'm a Fan of punkindmb 12 fans permalink
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ITS NOT LIKE THOSE GUYS WILL BE FREE TO MOVE AROUND! sheesh sorry for the shout, but I don't get it. Are we so afraid of those guys that they can't even be housed here in America? They will be in a maximum security prison. And that maximum security prison is located on a military base. Democrats need to grow a pair and Republicans need a pair or two shrunk.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:33 PM on 05/20/2009
- punk I'm a Fan of punk 59 fans permalink
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I can't speak for everybody, but I'm scared s/hitless. I only wish hume_skeptic was here to HOLD ME!!!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:35 PM on 05/20/2009

why are you scared. You have more to fear from a serious case of the flu.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:47 PM on 05/20/2009
- VPN I'm a Fan of VPN 109 fans permalink
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It has NOTHING to do with fear of those individuals, its all about Senators fear of not being re-elected, the Dem Senators know that voting for this would have handed any repubLICKER challenger a good card to play during the mid terms.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:45 PM on 05/20/2009
- punkindmb I'm a Fan of punkindmb 12 fans permalink
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These guys need to be put in line with the president. They would never have been able to go off the reservation if they were republicans.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:17 PM on 05/21/2009
- FairTalk I'm a Fan of FairTalk 18 fans permalink
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Why should the Gitmo detainees come to America? They are not innocent.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:31 PM on 05/20/2009
- avchavis I'm a Fan of avchavis 222 fans permalink
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How do you know that if they've been held without a fair trial or legal representation.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:32 PM on 05/20/2009

No trials for ter-rorists.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:37 PM on 05/20/2009
- FairTalk I'm a Fan of FairTalk 18 fans permalink
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I didn't say they were guiltry. That is the word that our legal system uses.

Let me ask you this, how many innocent men have been incarcerated in America after having a "fair trial" and and legal "representation?"

How many of those who are not innocent get off scott free in the US?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:39 PM on 05/20/2009
- punk I'm a Fan of punk 59 fans permalink
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Go hide under your bed, Marvin.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:33 PM on 05/20/2009
- TJCole I'm a Fan of TJCole 167 fans permalink
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Nearly half of them may very well be completely innocent, as we have learned due to our handing out $5,000.00 per head to these corrupt lying tribal Afghans we paid for such...!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:35 PM on 05/20/2009
- FairTalk I'm a Fan of FairTalk 18 fans permalink
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Innocent of what? Training in Al Q terror camps at Tora Bora?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:48 PM on 05/20/2009

and how do You know that? were you there when they were apprehended on the other side of the world. hmmmm?? numb between the ears we be. sigh.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:48 PM on 05/20/2009
- punkindmb I'm a Fan of punkindmb 12 fans permalink
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There have been reports that some of the prisoners were turned in using trumped up charges. The tribal leaders wanted to get rid of other tribal leaders or to take their lands, etc... things that had nothing to do with being a terrorist or terrorism.

There are also reports of us releasing some 'poor soul', who commited a terrorist act almost as soon as he got back home. Now was he a terrorist before or after we 'enhanced' him?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:04 AM on 05/22/2009
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