Senate Votes To Block Funds For Guantanamo Closure

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DAVID ESPO | May 20, 2009 08:34 PM EST | AP

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A security agent talks into his microphone as FBI Director Robert Mueller chats with House Judiciary Committee member Rep. Adam Schiff, D-Calif., on Capitol Hill in Washington, Wednesday, May 20, 2009, prior to Mueller testifying before the committee. (AP Photo/Harry Hamburg)

WASHINGTON — In a rare, bipartisan defeat for President Barack Obama, the Senate voted overwhelmingly Wednesday to keep the prison at Guantanamo Bay open for the foreseeable future and forbid the transfer of any detainees to facilities in the United States.

Democrats lined up with Republicans in the 90-6 vote that came on the heels of a similar move a week ago in the House, underscoring widespread apprehension among Obama's congressional allies over voters' strong feelings about bringing detainees to the U.S. from the prison in Cuba.

The president readied a speech for Thursday morning on the U.S. fight against terrorism, at a time when liberals have chafed at some of his decisions.

In spite of lawmakers' concerns, the Obama administration plans to send a top al-Qaida suspect held at Guantanamo Bay to New York to stand trial for the deadly 1998 bombings of U.S. embassies in Africa, an administration official told The Associated Press on Wednesday. The suspect, Ahmed Ghailani, would be the first Guantanamo detainee brought to the U.S. and the first to face trial in a civilian criminal court.

Obama has vowed to close the prison by January 2010, and the Senate's vote was not the final word on the matter. It will be next month at the earliest before Congress completes work on the legislation, giving the White House time pursue a compromise that would allow the president to fulfill his pledge.

But Obama's maneuvering room was further constrained during the day when FBI Director Robert Mueller told a congressional panel that he had concerns about bringing Guantanamo Bay detainees to prisons in the United States. Among the risks is "the potential for individuals undertaking attacks in the United States," said Mueller, who was appointed by President George W. Bush in 2001 and is serving a 10-year fixed term in office.

Additionally, U.S. District Judge John Bates ruled this week that some prisoners _ but not all _ can be held indefinitely at Guantanamo without being charged, thus increasing the pressure on the administration to develop a plan for the men held there.

After the Senate vote, White House press secretary Robert Gibbs said, "The president understands that his most important job is to keep the American people safe and that he is not going to make any decision or any judgment that imperils the safety of the American people."

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He added Obama has not yet decided where some of the detainees will be sent. A presidential commission is studying the issue.

There was no suspense in the moments leading to the Senate vote, although Democrats maneuvered to take political credit for denying Obama funds he sought to close the prison. They hoped to negate weeks of Republican warnings about the danger involved.

Sen. Daniel Inouye, D-Hawaii, chairman of the Appropriations Committee, favors closing Guantanamo, and the legislation his panel originally sent to the floor provided money for that purpose once the administration submitted a plan for the shutdown.

In changing course and seeking to delete the funds, he said, "The fact that the administration has not offered a workable plan at this point made that decision rather easy."

All six opponents of the proposal were Democrats: Sens. Dick Durbin of Illinois, Tom Harkin of Iowa, Patrick Leahy of Vermont, Carl Levin of Michigan, and Jack Reed and Sheldon Whitehouse of Rhode Island.

The administration asked for $80 million to close the facility. Obama promised repeatedly as a presidential candidate to shut down the prison, calling it a blot on the international image of the United States.

Even in voting to deny him the funds, Obama's Democratic allies insisted the president was fundamentally correct.

"Guantanamo is used by al-Qaida as a symbol of American abuse of Muslims and is fanning the flames of anti-Americanism around the world," said Sen. Dianne Feinstein of California.

And Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid of Nevada, who had said on Tuesday he opposed allowing detainees to be transferred to U.S. prisons, signaled he might change his mind on that point. "If the administration proposes a plan that recommends the transfer of some detainees to American prisons, he will evaluate it carefully and make a judgment at that time," said spokesman Jim Manley.

The lopsided vote was a victory for the Senate Republicans, who have recently turned their attention to Obama's policies on foreign policy and terrorism after failing to make headway in criticizing his economic program.

Sen. Mitch McConnell, R-Ky., has delivered numerous speeches in recent weeks raising pointed questions about Obama's plans to close the prison without first explaining where the men held there would be sent. "For months, we have been saying what Senate Democrats now acknowledge: that because the administration has no plan for what to do with the 240 detainees at Guantanamo, it would be irresponsible and dangerous for the Senate to appropriate the money to close it," McConnell said shortly before the vote.

The Republican leader also won approval for a separate terror-related provision later in the day. On a vote of 92-3, the Senate agreed to require the administration, before releasing any detainee, to inform Congress of the likelihood that he would return to terrorism. It also would report on any effort al-Qaida may be making to recruit detainees once they're released from U.S. custody.

Obama came to office pledging a dramatic change in George W. Bush's terrorism policy. In the months since, he has woven an uncertain course, occasionally angering liberals.

He first backed the cancellation of military tribunals for prisoners, then announced he wanted them resumed with greater legal protections for the accused. Last week, he reversed course on another issue, deciding to appeal a court-ordered release of prisoner-abuse photos taken at Abu Ghraib in Iraq.

Several Republicans praised Obama for those very steps.

"I commend him for being very willing to change his opinion in light of having access to the intelligence he didn't have access to" as a candidate, said Sen. Orrin Hatch of Utah.

FBI Director Mueller made his comments before the House Judiciary Committee.

Prodded by Rep. Jerrold Nadler, D-N.Y., to agree that Guantanamo detainees could be kept safely in maximum security prisoners in the United States, Mueller declined. He noted that in some instances gang leaders have run their gangs from inside prisons.

If Reid has appeared equivocal on the possible transfer of prisoners, Sen. Richard Durbin of Illinois, the second-in-command among Democrats, pointed out that no one has ever escaped from a federal "supermax" prison and that 347 convicted terrorists are among those held in them.

That drew some support from Sen. Lindsey Graham, R-S.C. "The idea that we cannot find a place to securely house 250-plus detainees within the United States is not rational," he said.

Not all Republicans were thinking along the same lines.

"No good purpose is served by allowing known terrorists, who trained at terrorist training camps, to come to the U.S. and live among us," said Rep. Lamar Smith of Texas. "Guantanamo Bay was never meant to be an Ellis Island."

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Associated Press writers Devlin Barrett, Nedra Pickler and Andrew Taylor contributed to this report.

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- TrinityLee I'm a Fan of TrinityLee 3 fans permalink

I feel strongly that maximum security military prisons that are in the light of day in the open would be the best solution. We would be able to hire military personnel to watch these guys (talk about job creation for military folks).

This would work; but folks would have to get behind it. I'm sure it wouldn't cost much seeing that this could be taken from the stimulus money already on hand. If America is good at anything; it's building prisons.

We all know that Gitmo was built in a few weeks, so why not construct a fortress and have military personnel/officers overseeing these kinds of prisoners and pay these guys handsomely; I think this would be a great service and numerous military folks would be willing to sign on. This way all sides are open to the public and things are transparent.

And I have the perfect place; there is plenty of open land in the desert like plains of Texas. And if they somehow try to escape or there is some attack (God forbid), the people of Texas are armed and dangerous and would be ready to respond; great target practice.

[FYI: I live in Texas & think Gov. Rick Perry in wrong for suggesting secession.]

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:31 PM on 05/20/2009

and I think your suggestion is absolutely brilliant and well thought out. Send it to the Secretary of Defense.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:57 PM on 05/20/2009
- avchavis I'm a Fan of avchavis 228 fans permalink
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With Republicants and some Democrats being obstructionists - it'll be a miracle if President Obama is able to get anything accomplished.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:28 PM on 05/20/2009
- wyldthings I'm a Fan of wyldthings 13 fans permalink

Avchavis,The vote was 90-6 which means almost every Democrat voted as obstructionists. Bury your head and keep blaming Republicans. Yesterday Obama said we need for Israel to give Iran more time to accept diplomacy and today they test a missile that can reach southern Europe!!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:42 PM on 05/20/2009

I am beginning to agree with you. He has to be able to outthink them. I had hoped he could do that with one arm tied behind his back. These last few weeks have been eye openers for him.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:59 PM on 05/20/2009

This is supposed to be change?!?!?!

On a side note, Egypt might revoke citizenship to those who married Israelis??? http://www.governmentalityblog.com/my_weblog/2009/05/egypt-revoking-citizenship-on-those-wed-to-israelis-.html

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:28 PM on 05/20/2009
- punk I'm a Fan of punk 59 fans permalink
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It shows the anti-apartheid movement is growing.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:31 PM on 05/20/2009
- AnnfromCA I'm a Fan of AnnfromCA 203 fans permalink

Excellent. I do not want to see these terrorists on TV with a defense atty. in the US, making a completely mockery of our country.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:24 PM on 05/20/2009
- punk I'm a Fan of punk 59 fans permalink
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Too bad our judicial system isn't like North Korea's, right Fidel??

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:26 PM on 05/20/2009
- Winthorpe I'm a Fan of Winthorpe 10 fans permalink

Yeah, that "rule of law" kind of society is so medieval.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:27 PM on 05/20/2009

I'd be really careful throwing the "mockery" word around.......cause it's sounding more and more like simply being in Gitmo is conviction enough....and totally impossible that there may be some inside who AREN'T terrorists at all....

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:32 PM on 05/20/2009
- FairTalk I'm a Fan of FairTalk 18 fans permalink
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I agree with you.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:32 PM on 05/20/2009
- punk I'm a Fan of punk 59 fans permalink
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Yes, you live in hysteria.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:34 PM on 05/20/2009
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Better to see Dick Cheney strutting around bragging about how we torture people.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:36 PM on 05/20/2009
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Now if only the senate had the cajones to go after our our banking terrorists with some type of national usury law, I might be able to find some respect for them. After all they're sworn to protect us from threats - both foreign and domestic - and our bankers certainly have screwed up America.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:24 PM on 05/20/2009
- ppp1604 I'm a Fan of ppp1604 6 fans permalink
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I expect this kind of crap from the bone head senators from the fine state of Tennessee. But, I thought the rest of the country was bigger than this!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:24 PM on 05/20/2009

Sigh. Here goes another round of good-cop, bad-cop from America's political leaders. I'm doubtful that Obama really ever wanted to close Guantanamo. Congress may be giving him the political cover he needs to reverse his campaign promise.

It has never been explained to my satisfaction why there needs to be a separate "justice" system for the Guantanamo detainees. If there are cases to be made against them, MAKE THEM ALREADY. Some of these people have been locked up for SIX YEARS without trial.

While there is a need to house these people, do it somewhere where there is at least a veneer of legitimacy. The closest maximum security prison to where I live is San Quentin. If it will solve the problem, I say take all the detainees there.

We Americans need to stop looking, and acting, like bullies and thugs.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:24 PM on 05/20/2009

Agreed.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:55 PM on 05/20/2009
- ezeflyer I'm a Fan of ezeflyer 53 fans permalink
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Once more Democrats snatch defeat from the jaws of victory.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:23 PM on 05/20/2009
- ppp1604 I'm a Fan of ppp1604 6 fans permalink
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The gutless DEMOCRATS ARE ABOUT TO LOSE MY SUPPORT!!

I have voted Democrat all my life. It is one thing to have Republicans do this, but not a Democrat!

To say the least, I am very disappointed!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:22 PM on 05/20/2009
- VPN I'm a Fan of VPN 109 fans permalink
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Don't throw the Party under the bus for some spineless Senators, work with your fellow rank and file Dem's to get rid of thee spineless and replace them with better and more Progressive Dem's.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:35 PM on 05/20/2009

Will Do. you betcha. meant well btw.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:02 PM on 05/20/2009
- ezeflyer I'm a Fan of ezeflyer 53 fans permalink
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The best formula I've found is never vote for conservatives, Reps or Dems.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:21 PM on 05/20/2009
- GeorgeP922 I'm a Fan of GeorgeP922 108 fans permalink
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Thats a weak formula, because the system will just continue right around you.

What I will do is fund primary candidates in Maryland (we have two blue dog vanilla senators) as well as donate to Progressive groups that want to reform the system (MoveOn, TYT, PCCC)

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:24 PM on 05/20/2009
- GeorgeP922 I'm a Fan of GeorgeP922 108 fans permalink
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Wow Feingold voted Yea?

Sad day when he sells out to GOP talking points, I guess he has Harry's back.

GOP trolls who waste your day here, rejoice as this liberal will root for Democrats losing our majority.

Its obvious it is a responsibility we cannot face in a brave new world.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:21 PM on 05/20/2009
- newiceage I'm a Fan of newiceage 9 fans permalink
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Don't be to hard on Russy,

its easy buy into the progressive fantasy world when you revolve in a wacked out liberal echo chamber without real responsibilty and consequences.

Its another when you have the real world shoved in your face like Russ and his buddies do on a daily basis.

Thats why Democrats have to break their promises to you every day.

Don't worry though, they will soon be whispering sweet nothings into your ear again and will make new promises that will put you at ease.

Go back to the top and repeat.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:34 PM on 05/20/2009

wheelers and dealers ... through them out Knaves all Three. remember Rubba Dub Dub...
fits. wheelers and dealers, all.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:04 PM on 05/20/2009
- merger I'm a Fan of merger 9 fans permalink

I don't understand the controversy. If they are accused of committing crimes against America and Americans then they should be held in US prisons or jails and await trial. Whether we like it or not this is the American way, and it is what or should be what separates us from them. You can not throw out civil liberties and the Constitution because we hate certain criminals and crimes more than others. We can't break the Constitution for some and follow it for others. We would all be subjected to randomness when we are accused. This is what we have a long history of fighting and dying for. I am far more afraid of the long term implications of denying these detainees their rights under the Constitution than I am of them.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:20 PM on 05/20/2009
- Photofarm I'm a Fan of Photofarm 21 fans permalink

Wrong, they are not citizens of the United States. Also, they are soldiers from an enemy that has declared war on the United States.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:25 PM on 05/20/2009
- VPN I'm a Fan of VPN 109 fans permalink
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For what country are they fighting for that declared war against the US, , what Army do they represent, your phony fact-less labels don't shed much light on that?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:39 PM on 05/20/2009

so I guess we might as well just call the place Spandu and America can foot the bill until the last inmate dies.....some 40 plus years from now....is that it...

can't cough up for health care but hey.....

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:34 PM on 05/20/2009
- FairTalk I'm a Fan of FairTalk 18 fans permalink
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They should not be brought to American soil for justice. They should be returned to their home country.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:35 PM on 05/20/2009

where, in many cases, they will be tortured and starved. sad to say, but they are far better off right where they presently are being incarcarated.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:06 PM on 05/20/2009

Congress is spending all our money on keeping prisoners. We can't get universal health care for our families while we're spending money on prisoners. Send them back where they got them. No wonder Congress has such low approval ratings. We should also save money by closing military bases in other Countries including Germany. They can all fight their own battles.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:19 PM on 05/20/2009
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That's right! Spend more on the military than all nations on earth combined while US families have crappy education and no health care. 761 military bases must be maintained while your children and grandchildren go without! Who gives a crap what you whiner Americans want? Our government does whatever the hell it wants.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:22 PM on 05/20/2009

Maybe Rev Wright and Billy Ayers should help OBAMa out again!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:19 PM on 05/20/2009
- EconPadawan I'm a Fan of EconPadawan 330 fans permalink
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Way to betray your own country. Osama is proud of you.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:24 PM on 05/20/2009
- TJCole I'm a Fan of TJCole 178 fans permalink
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How about this, execute the guilty starting with KSM after military kangaroo tribunal, and free the innocent and release them to their home country, and then close it down..!

Is that so difficult...?

That's better to me Constitutionally, than this perversion further perversion of our Constitution...

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:19 PM on 05/20/2009
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