Irish Church School Victims Angry That Abusers Not Named In Report

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SHAWN POGATCHNIK | May 21, 2009 05:41 PM EST | AP

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John Kelly, of the Survivors of Child Abuse (SOCA) group, right, and Kevin Flannagan brother of Mickey Flannagan, victim of child abuse, shout at members of the government-appointed Commission to Inquire into Child Abuse in state-funded Roman Catholic Church-run institutions, for being turned away from a press conference in Dublin, Ireland,Wednesday, May 20, 2009. A fiercely debated, long-delayed investigation into Ireland's Roman Catholic-run institutions says priests and nuns terrorized thousands of boys and girls in workhouse-style schools for decades _ and government inspectors failed to stop the chronic beatings, rapes and humiliation. Nine years in the making, Wednesday's 2,600-page report sides almost completely with the horrific reports of abuse from former students sent to more than 250 church-run, mostly residential institutions. (AP Photo / Peter Morrison)

DUBLIN — Child-abuse activists warned Thursday that Ireland failed to learn the lessons from decades of unchecked brutality inside Catholic Church-run schools and still offers poor protection to vulnerable boys and girls.

This week's mammoth report into the abuse of thousands of children in Catholic-run schools blamed successive Irish governments for permitting rape and other sadistic practices inside the tax-funded facilities throughout most of the 20th century.

The authors of the nine-year investigation offered a long list of recommendations to toughen and modernize the way children _ particularly those in state care _ are supervised and protected. The proposals included 24-hour emergency social care, surprise inspections of children's homes, and more rigorous enforcement of existing rules.

The government of Prime Minister Brian Cowen, which is battling one of Europe's worst recessions and budget deficits, says it will enact the improvements as quickly as possible. Those on the front lines of child protection said they doubted that would happen.

"People would be wrong to think that the danger is behind us. Ireland's child protection policies are still a generation behind the standards in the United Kingdom and the United States. Our leaders are far too complacent," said Maeve Lewis, whose Dublin pressure group One in Four publicizes child sexual abuse in Ireland.

Lewis noted that a string of child-abuse scandals involving church and lay abusers inspired a string of official inquiries and nearly 200 recommendations since 1993.

"Most of those recommendations have never been implemented," she said. "If we do not finally begin to put the needs of children first, all of us will be sitting here in 30 years' time talking about some other scandal that somehow evaded our attention or care."

Ireland's minister for children, Barry Andrews, said the government was determined to keep strengthening child protection.

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He said today's system for placing children into protective care "bears no comparion" to Ireland's church-run industrial schools, which were closed down gradually from the 1960s to the 1990s. In those days, courts that deemed a child a petty criminal, school truant or from a dysfunctional home could order him or her into the church's custody _ for an average of nine years.

These days Ireland's Health Service Executive, responsible for running hospitals and enforcing public health policy, places more than 90 percent of children deemed at risk with foster families, not institutions. Of approximately 5,300 children in state care, only about 450 are in state residences or emergency shelters.

Andrews declined to comment on the Health Service Executive's admission in February that 20 children in state care had died or been killed in the previous six years. The causes ranged from drug overdoses to assaults, but no inquest results have been made public in any case.

Child-abuse activists stressed that the greatest weakness in Ireland's system is that it takes far too long to identify children in danger and rescue them. They noted that the government and Health Service Executive fund no child-protection workers for nights and weekends, leaving police to fill in the gap.

Two recent cases illustrate the shocking risks that children still face from slow official reaction to even the most obvious warnings.

In January, a 40-year-old single mother became the first woman in Irish history to be convicted of incest. The woman _ whose identity was concealed to protect her children _ was a notorious drunk in her village, and her six children the object of ridicule in school, because of their poor hygiene, lice, cuts and bruises, filthy clothes and other inescapable signs of neglect.

Social workers and police spent nearly a decade monitoring the woman's inability to care for her children, which included garbage, clothes and even excrement piling up in the home. But the children weren't placed in foster care until the eldest boy, aged 13, told police she had been forcing him to have sex with her.

Earlier this month, Andrews' department published findings into the 2007 case of a couple who, descending into madness, had planned their own suicides and the murder of their two daughters aged 5 and 3.

The investigation found that the parents, Adrian and Ciara Dunne, took their children to a mortician and discussed plans for four coffins, a burial plot and the husband's will. Once the Dunnes left, the funeral home warned police.

It was a Friday night with no social workers on duty, so police asked a Catholic priest to visit the family. He asked a second priest, who found the Dunne home silent and curtains drawn. Police and Health Services Executive spent the weekend arguing about which organization should take charge.

When officers and social workers jointly made it to the Dunne home that Monday afternoon, they found the man hanging from a rope, his wife strangled, and both girls smothered with pillows.

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On the Net:

Commission to Inquire Into Child Abuse report, http://www.childabusecommission.ie/rpt/

Irish government ministry for children, http://www.omc.gov.ie/

Ireland's independent ombudsman for children, http://www.oco.ie/

DUBLIN — Child-abuse activists warned Thursday that Ireland failed to learn the lessons from decades of unchecked brutality inside Catholic Church-run schools and still offers poor protection to...
DUBLIN — Child-abuse activists warned Thursday that Ireland failed to learn the lessons from decades of unchecked brutality inside Catholic Church-run schools and still offers poor protection to...
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I suggest that the victims start naming names themselves. It's only libel if it's not true, so they should be protected by law. The internet is a great way to name away. I would consider it a public service.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:04 PM on 05/22/2009
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Jail them, or are they gonna use the "we're above man's law" alibi again ?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:16 AM on 05/22/2009
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Good for those SOCA people. They should keep fighting until the names are released and the perpetrators are prosecuted.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:52 PM on 05/21/2009
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If we didn't have names and faces for the holocaust, it would make it much easier for the deniers to say that it never happened. The Irish need to do what the Jews did and say never again.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:51 PM on 05/21/2009

Why isn't this story getting more play, here and on TV?

This is a horrendous thing.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:30 PM on 05/21/2009
- tippydog11 I'm a Fan of tippydog11 9 fans permalink

know evil lives everywhere and even in our churches..sad but for me true..

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:52 PM on 05/21/2009
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I agree that those religious proven guilty beyond doubt should be named. But victims were paid off so neither the church nor state of Ireland would be sued - a solution that some diocese in the US have resorted to in order to most inexpensively deal with abuse accusations. So my question is, if there are no trials either by the state or by church tribunal, how can you establish guilt? How can we be sure a small minority are not making accusations for gain?
Please, make no mistake, my heart and support is with the many victims of abuse by the Catholic Church; I have no interest in defending the church hierarchy or any religious who are guilty. I ask these questions because I have witnessed the ruination of a dear family friend - a priest - by a former parishioner who lied about him in order to be paid part of the reparations made to true abuse victims. The diocese, instead of taking each accusation of abuse on a case by case basis, outed all the accused and paid off all accusers in a settlement without waiting for a trial by state or church tribunal. Child molester is the worst name you can pin on a person; there must be surety before it is done.
The truth is there is no perfect way to deal with these crimes and tragedies; above all I blame the church hierarchy.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:44 PM on 05/21/2009

Looks like your friend got caught in the maelstrom. Guilt beyond a reasonable doubt isn't the issue. These are civil claims. Victims are looking for relief, monetary and otherwise, not criminal prosecution of perpetrators. In the case of child sexual abuse, the actual perpetrators are not the only ones at fault; also at fault are those who condoned the egregious actions by so many. Such abuse could not have taken place, so pervasively and so long, had so many not simply looked the other way and even condoned the abuse. The effect has been a verdict of guilty in the court of public opinion which has created a de facto presumption of guilt against anyone credibly accused. One result has been a greatly enhanced opportunity for successful fraudulent claims of which there have no doubt been some ( fraud is ubiquitous.) A diocese now can't afford to litigate claims on an individual basis for fear the judgments rendered against it will look like international telephone numbers. There have already been bankruptcies and the spectacle of dioceses being subject to the American bankrupty courts.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:38 PM on 05/21/2009
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for any victims out there, I want to reiterate that I in no way mean to downplay the horrible crime that is sex abuse of a child. I just wish to show that the issue is complex and that we should be careful that we only out those who are proven child abusers.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:24 PM on 05/21/2009
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Name them and PUT THEM IN JAIL!!!!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:36 PM on 05/21/2009
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There is a heartbreaking song written by a very popular Irish musician named Damien Dempsey called "Industrial School" (released in 2004 so it isn't new). Worth a listen to get the perspective of a young Irish person on industrial schools:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N98zF_6uc5Q

An excerpt:
"My uncle was sent to Daingean, my Granda to Letterfrack
And the child that was locked up there never did come back.
Some were raped and some were tortured, some beaten and abused.
Frightened little children, so lonely and so confused. . .
We have to break the cycle, cos it's still passed down boss
We have to break the cycle before any more kids are lost."

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:35 PM on 05/21/2009
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It's not the catholic church that committed the abuse, it's some only individuals within the church. There are abusers in all races, both genders and in every religion. We make it more difficult for any religious organization to deal with these issues when we fail to single out the blame.
It disturbs me that the abuses went on for so long and the church failed to even investigate. It's so typical of many groups, organizations and communities. If we learn anything is that we should learn to take things more seriously and not wait until it's too late.

The city of Chicago had done anything after 36 school children had died until the media began to point it out to the city. Did it matter after the 2nd child died? or did it matter after the 30th chiled died.

Aung San Suu Kyi of Burma has been imprisoned wrongfully for about 19 years and suddenly the world reacts.
I won't be surprised if one day I read that there is poverty in the slums of Mumbai or in Culcuta, India.
Why do we always wait so long to do what is right?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:07 PM on 05/21/2009
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Well, Marie, you're right. It's isn't the entire Catholic Church, but as you also mentioned, the Church allowed it to go on for a long, long time, AFTER they knew it was happening. So there obviously is something very wrong in the hierarchy. Those who covered it up share the guilt for all those innocents along with those who committed it. Evil can only go on as long as those in authority condone it or at least chose to cover it up, rather than clean it up.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:25 PM on 05/21/2009
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I do blame the church for covering up the abuse and moving abusive priest around to hide the crimes. They are as much at fault for harboring these criminals and letting it continue as the "individuals" who did the molesting. The church covered it up on purpose not just needs to "take things more seriously."

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:35 PM on 05/21/2009
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Holy Mother Church is one vast pattern of dysfunctional behavior and power abuse. Until the pattern is broken, the Church is as guilty as sin.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:51 PM on 05/21/2009

Amen

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:31 PM on 05/21/2009
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Yes but the church swept it under the rug and accused victims of lying till they couldn't hide their guilt anymore. They are as much to blame, if not more, than the actual abusers.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:59 PM on 05/21/2009

Marie,

It is the fault of every member of the Catholic church who contributes money or services that support the church, since a percentage of local collections is passed on to the self-serving management structure headed by the Pope.

Stop contributing and we will see a quick response (perhaps allowing priests to marry) that will displace the child abusers that dominate the operations.

The solution is in the wallet of every Catholic -- stop paying for child abuse.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:02 PM on 05/21/2009
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I agree. Those that have issue with the Church ought to stop paying the church (this can be done without bankrupting church-based charities.)

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:38 PM on 05/21/2009

Incredible to believe that this happened in Ireland.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:46 PM on 05/21/2009
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The church wielded an unbelievable amount of power in Ireland. From what I have read, the colonization by England and suppression of the Gaelic language and the Catholic Church made many Irish fight hard against the English to retain their culture. But the starvation, mass migration, and worst, genocide of the Irish due to English exportation of all other food sources during a potato blight were more than any culture could bear without significant damage to the psyche. And many of the Irish became more conservative, fearful, religious and superstitious; priests may have told them that sin caused these hardships, and many ceded power to the church and did what they could to be "forgiven". The Irish suffered from mass PTSD particularly in the 19th century, and the Church filled the power vacuum, especially after they won their independence. Of course it is more complex than this, but these are some possible explanations for how the Church was able to dominate just about every area of Irish culture for so long.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:10 PM on 05/21/2009
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Grainne, thank you for summing this history up. I agree with your analysis completely. We live in Dublin (though we are American). I've not heard boo from the Church about the report just released, at least in terms of anything meaningful. But people--the public--are outraged and sickened by this. My understanding is that young people in particular have been turning away from Catholicism in greater numbers over the past several years in Ireland, in part due to the sex scandals within the church. I hope this is the straw that breaks the camels back in terms of people blindly accepting what the church says is truth, or keeping silent about things that should be screamed about. No child should ever, ever have to suffer at the hands of anyone and there is nothing more important than protecting children. Our first obligation is always to their welfare, above all else.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:42 AM on 05/22/2009

You are kidding, right?

Ireland is one of the most dysfunctional societies in the world.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:32 PM on 05/21/2009
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That is a hefty claim. Care to expand? Without falling back on stereotypes.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:33 AM on 05/22/2009
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even better, how about Name them and ....Incarcerate them!

How in this day and age can the "church" keep perpetrators from justice. Sounds like a conspiracy to me, and should be used to revoke their tax free status. If that was proposed, they'd toss the perps outside the pearly gates in a second!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:18 PM on 05/21/2009
- timezone I'm a Fan of timezone 10 fans permalink

Heaven forbid the Catholic Church's sensibilities be upset by actually NAMING the perpetrators! The power the Church has had has been no different than despot's, oh, wait, yes, it had. Despots generally have a limited time to rule, the Church has been meting out whatever justice it decided to (or more appropriately, NOT decided to) for CENTURIES. The atrocities that have been committed in the name of the Church make many tyrannical rulers look mild. I know there are good, well-meaning, kind Catholics. I hope they just now clean house and take to task their leaders for what has been allowed to happen too long. Cover-ups on this scale couldn't have continued without people at the top knowing and condoning it.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:10 PM on 05/21/2009
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Catholic religious orders, huh?

Since his own house is so obviously not in order, the Pope is in no position to dictate to the world on birth control, AIDS or civil unions between two loving people. He most certainly has no business preaching on homosexuality.

Until he removes the log from his own eye, I think we'll deal with our splinters on our own, thankyouverymuch.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:47 PM on 05/21/2009
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Absolutely... name them and shame them! What is up with this interntational failure of character where people are allowed to get away with evil?

And Irish people, please be more suspicious of religion and your religious leaders after this.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:03 PM on 05/21/2009
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What is up is that the protection of the church is more important to these people than the children victimized by it. common theme.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:38 PM on 05/21/2009
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When it comes to religion, it seems a world wide theme it protects it's own. You mentioned Irish people should be more suspicious, what about U.S. people? There have been scandals in the U.S. as well as in Mexico and other parts of the world. Turning a blind eye seems to be the motto of the Catholic Church hierarchy waaay too often.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:05 PM on 05/21/2009
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The Irish began dealing with child abuse in the church a few years at least before the Catholic Church in the states did. The Irish know very well now the abuse that has been protected by the hierarchy of the Catholic Church, and consequently, it has lost its hold on the younger generations, and many seminaries have closed. The Irish used to say that their greatest export was their priests, but this is no longer the case. Now they import priests, often from poorer parts of the world. I wouldn't say the Irish are quite secularizing, but they are moving away from the church in great numbers.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:44 PM on 05/21/2009
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