Obama Guantanamo Speech: Pledges To "Clean Up The Mess"

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STEVEN R. HURST | May 21, 2009 11:10 PM EST | AP

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Former Vice President Dick Cheney speaks at the American Enterprise Institute in Washington, Thursday, May 21, 2009. (AP Photo/Luis M. Alvarez)

WASHINGTON — President Barack Obama fought Thursday to retake command of the emotional debate over closing Guantanamo, denouncing "fear-mongering" by political opponents and insisting that maximum-security prisons in the U.S. can safely house dangerous terror suspects transferred from Cuba. In a unique bit of Washington theater, former Vice President Dick Cheney delivered his own address just one minute later, defending the Bush administration's creation of the prison camp as vigorously as Obama denounced it.

Obama, appearing at the National Archives with its immensely symbolic backdrop of the nation's founding documents, said shutting down Guantanamo would "enlist our values" to make America safer. Speaking a day after an overwhelming congressional rebuke to his pledge to close the prison, he forcefully declared the camp a hindrance _ not a help _ to preventing future terrorist attacks. He contends that the prison, which has held hundreds of detainees for years without charges or trials, motivates U.S. enemies overseas.

The president promised to work with lawmakers to develop "an appropriate legal regime" for those who can't be tried and are too dangerous to be released. Still, he did not provide the level of detail about his plans that lawmakers, including Democrats, demanded in a 90-6 Senate vote denying money for the shutdown on Wednesday.

Cheney, in his own speech, denounced some of Obama's actions since taking office as "unwise in the extreme" and "recklessness cloaked in righteousness," repeating his contention from a series of headline-grabbing appearances recently that the new president is endangering the country by turning aside Bush-era policies. The former vice president, a primary architect of the Bush approach, accused Obama of looking for "a political strategy, not a national security strategy."

However, neither Cheney nor Obama brought significant new information to bear on the debate that has roiled Washington for weeks. Instead, each presented what amounted to lengthy _ and dueling _ summations of entrenched positions. Reaction afterward followed well-tilled ground as well, with no sign that Obama was winning the votes he will need to close the prison.

As Obama has made one decision after another on Bush-era terror-fighting tools, liberals have expressed dismay at what they view as a Democratic president acting much like his Republican predecessor.

They cite Obama's moves to reverse himself and fight the court-ordered release of prisoner-abuse photos, to revive military tribunals for some terror suspects (although he is revamping how they would work), to oppose a truth commission to investigate past detainee treatment and to continue using in some cases Bush's "state secrets" doctrine that claims unchecked presidential power to prevent information disclosure in court.

In his speech, Obama backed down from none of these positions, and defended them all. Human rights and civil liberties groups, given a personal preview of the speech by the president a day earlier, were not assuaged.

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"The president wrapped himself in the Constitution and then proceeded to violate it," said Michael Ratner, president of the Center for Constitutional Rights, a human rights group.

On the other side, Obama has invited conservative criticism for banning harsh "enhanced" methods of interrogating terrorist suspects, for releasing memos detailing the techniques and the Bush administration's legal justification for them, and for promising to close the Guantanamo Bay facility by next January.

Shutting down the Caribbean island prison, which has left the U.S. open to global condemnation since its inception and still holds 240 prisoners, is the most fraught _ both logistically and politically.

Obama wants to release some of the prisoners to their home countries, send some who can't be let go to other nations for detention, and try some either through military tribunals or in regular federal courts. He called a fifth category, an unspecified number who can neither be tried nor released, "the toughest issue we will face."

Actually, each category poses significant problems.

Abroad, U.S. officials are having very minimal success persuading allies to take those deemed suitable for release, some 50 of the 240 by Obama's count.

At home, politicians from both parties are balking at the idea of terror suspects _ either those convicted in a judicial proceeding or those to be held indefinitely _ being housed in their communities.

This has handed Republicans a rare point-scoring opportunity. They were even helped this week when FBI Director Robert Mueller said it would be risky to relocate Guantanamo prisoners to U.S. facilities. As a result, both the House and Senate now are on record against Obama's request for $81 million to close Guantanamo without a detailed accounting of where the detainees will go.

The White House announced Thursday's speech last week shortly after news surfaced that Cheney was planning his. Aides scheduled it for the hour just before the former vice president's planned appearance at the American Enterprise Institute, a conservative think thank.

The aim was to rebut Cheney's campaign with all the power of the presidency _ not only Obama's singular rhetorical skills but also the ability of any White House to apply nearly unlimited resources to event-staging.

But it also had the effect of elevating Cheney even more, to equal billing in television shows, Webcasts and newspapers.

In deliberate tones that echoed off the museum rotunda's high walls and marble floors for over 45 minutes, Obama said he was doing away with the "poorly planned, haphazard approach" under the Bush administration that has seen a portion of the 525 detainees released from Guantanamo return to the battlefield. To do so, his administration was studying each Guantanamo case one-by-one _ "quite simply, a mess," he said.

But, the president added, "If we refuse to deal with these issues today, then I guarantee you that they will be an albatross around our efforts to combat terrorism in the future."

Republicans were not impressed.

"With all due respect to the president, what we need here is not a speech but a plan," said Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell of Kentucky.

Obama acknowledged directly for the first time that some Guantanamo prisoners will end up in the U.S. under his plan. He argued it would be done safely. "Nobody has ever escaped from one of our `supermax' prisons which hold hundreds of convicted terrorists," he said.

Afterward, Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid, D-Nev. softened his opposition to bringing Guantanamo prisoners to the U.S., saying he is willing to work on a compromise.

Obama chastised what he called "absolutist" critics on both sides who he said are more interested in scoring political points than finding solutions.

Some on the left, he said, "would almost never put national security over transparency." Some on the right, meanwhile, are an "anything goes" crowd. "I've heard words that frankly are calculated to scare people rather than educate them," Obama said.

"We will be ill-served by the fear-mongering that emerges whenever we discuss this issue," he declared.

Yet the president himself repeatedly criticized Bush, who he said "failed to use our values as a compass" in devising an anti-terror strategy.

"Too often, our government made decisions based upon fear rather than foresight and all too often trimmed facts and evidence to fit ideological predispositions," he said.

Cheney, meanwhile, praised Obama for two "wise" decisions _ his handling of the war in Afghanistan and his decision on the prisoner-abuse photos. But he forcefully defended the Bush administration's interrogation program and other policies enacted in the wake of the 2001 terrorist attacks.

"Seven-and-a-half years without a repeat is not a record to be rebuked and scorned," Cheney said.

WASHINGTON — President Barack Obama fought Thursday to retake command of the emotional debate over closing Guantanamo, denouncing "fear-mongering" by political opponents and insisting that maxim...
WASHINGTON — President Barack Obama fought Thursday to retake command of the emotional debate over closing Guantanamo, denouncing "fear-mongering" by political opponents and insisting that maxim...
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Seven-and-a-half years without a "repeat" is to be scorned until the TRUTHFUL answers are front and center for all to see.
Answer, if you are capable of ever telling the truth, cheney, the following questions:
Why was a non-responsive plane allowed to fly unquestioned for 20 minutes?
Why were fighter jets already airborne and on patrol not shifted to assist in intercepting the other flight from Logan once it was known the first nonresponder had indeed been hijacked?
Why were the planes that finally got into the air flying at no more than 25 - 30 % of their speed?
Why were the relatives of Osama bin Laden FLOWN out of the United States when ALL other air traffic was grounded?
Why was our military, supposedly the finest in the world, so dismally unable to protect the nation for over TWO-AND-A-HALF HOURS?
Were you the one who gave the order for the military to stand down?
There are a lot more questions, but I'm limited to 250 words here.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:42 PM on 05/23/2009
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    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:21 AM on 05/22/2009
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I can tell you that the wrong answer is to pretend like this problem will go away if we maintain an unsustainable status quo," Obama said. "As president, I refuse to allow this problem to fester. Our security interests won't permit it. Our courts won't allow it. And neither should our conscience."

This here summarizes it perfectly.

Carol

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:46 PM on 05/21/2009
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I agree Carol.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:36 PM on 05/21/2009
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I am still trying to figure out who told us that these issues would be easily resolved. There are so many in Govt with different agendas and people to pander to. I trust the President is operating in a thoughtful manner to get this done, even having to bring along many in Dem clothing. The POTUS does NOT operate in a vacumn people...can we just get a clue.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:34 PM on 05/21/2009
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That Obama was convinced by advisors that release of the photos would inflame anti-american sentiment is Proof Positive of How Awful The Torture Shown in the Pictures. Another reason to prosecute all those who conspired to torture in violation of Federal Laws. Torture is a Capital Crime. Penalties include 20 years to life and death if the tortured prisoner dies. This is no laughing matter.

They Tortured In Our Name.... You, Me and the Guy Next To You...Is that what you wanted?

PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE

Sign The Petition To Prosecute

http://AngryVoters.org

those in the Bush Administration that violated Federal Laws, our Constitution which prohibit Torture.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:25 PM on 05/21/2009
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Does Obama have ANY advisers on foreign policy who are not to the right of Hillary Clinton?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:45 PM on 05/21/2009
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Not even Sasha?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:30 PM on 05/21/2009
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Samantha Power, Zbigniew Brzezinski (not sure if he's formally advising him ... but Obama has executed several of Zbig's FP recommendations)

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:53 AM on 05/22/2009

What has happened to Obama? He seemed so angry in his speech. And he doesnt seem to care that the majority does NOT want those terrorists INSIDE America.. They would have a negative effect on the present US prisoners, perhaps even encouraging them to join the Jihad..And why is our president not sticking to his promises? I am starting to get concerned?.. As for Chenys speech. I didnt listen. Why bother?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:09 PM on 05/21/2009
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You saw and heard him but did not listen to him.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:38 PM on 05/21/2009

I don't think the majority of the people care much where these people are. What we need to do is find out if indeed they ARE "terrorists". This entire "terrorist" thing came from 9/11, and there is so much that needs to answered about that day and so much that points to direct involvement by the bush regime that the holding of people accused with no proof of "terrorism" is a stain on all of the United States.
We have created more "terrorists" in the keeping of Guantanamo than we ever had before. If YOU had been kidnapped off the streets by some fanatic who turned you over to someone else for the money he could gain, telling any tale that would get him the most money, you would develop a raging hatred of the country that held you, too.
I am not saying NONE of those held prisoner are guilty, but we most certainly need to make sure we KNOW that they are, and know it OUTSIDE of anything said by the bush cabal or dick cheney.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:52 PM on 05/23/2009

Close Gitmo, bring the inmates to U.S. Supermax prisons? Hurrah, the right decision at LAST! Bring all 240 of them to the Supermax nearest to ME, if you like.

The rest of the President's speech disappointed me in several ways -- still more right-wing appeasement -- but it's a decent start.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:42 PM on 05/21/2009
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The speech just concluded by our President was one of the best he has ever delivered. He was succient, forceful and above all else HE IS RIGHT !

IT IS UNCONCIENCEABLE.... that the media is broadcasting Cheney's speech as though he was a credible or as legitimate as the President. He had eight years to do the dastardly deeds that got us into the mess President is having to clean up. The American people spoke overwhelmingly for a new direction in November of 2008 and they are elevating Cheney to a new level.

I am so sick of the MSM who care nothing about this country and are still going along with this criminal and showing him a deferrence he doesn't deserve.

Hey Media...Cheney belongs in prison along with the other thugs from the previous administration.

And....you can kiss my @ss..

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:57 AM on 05/21/2009
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And...I just saw Kay Bailey whats her name (R) just lie her socks off on MSNBC and Chuck Todd did not call her on it.

She said the President said he would let some detainees go. He never in her wildest imagination said that or I'm already around the bend. These pols make me sick !!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:21 PM on 05/21/2009
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You said all of that and you don't realize Obama is telling you to kiss HIS. All of his pseudo Gettysburg Addresses are covering up what he's really doing and people eat it up because this society isn't used to a leader sounding like a Morgan Freeman or Liam Neeson voice-over.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=evCeWcRJxSg

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:28 PM on 05/21/2009
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unconscionable odd word, but that's it

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:41 PM on 05/21/2009
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Cynic much? Try to think in color, everything is not totally devoid of nuance in the REAL world, especially in politics.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:38 PM on 05/21/2009
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Why do the Conservatives hate our American prisons. They think that we are incapable of imprisoning a few people. How low they must think of our own people.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:18 AM on 05/21/2009
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Why is it EVERY TIME something controversial comes up he has to give a lofty dissertation on national history like he's remaking the Gettysburg Address? It's a tired obvious attempt at distracting from the main issue. I'm just waiting for the "four score. . . ." part, sheeeeshhh! Sometimes the people need PROSE and to he|| with the poetry. Cheney is gonna control this argument because Obama can't step up and let his AG do his job.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:38 AM on 05/21/2009
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Cheny is ONLY controlling your mind and the many minions posting on this thread.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:40 PM on 05/21/2009
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So Git mo is safer to hold these men than a supermaxprison in America?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:34 AM on 05/21/2009
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That sounds pretty scary to me.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:43 AM on 05/21/2009

I think its also worth pointing out that Obama is basically becoming even more dangerous than Bush. Glenn Greenwald points out over at Salon:

"What is most damaging about all of this is exactly what Goldsmith celebrated: that Obama's political skills, combined with his status as a Democrat, is strengthening Bush/Cheney terrorism policies and solidifying them further. "

http://www.salon.com/opinion/greenwald/index.html

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:34 AM on 05/21/2009
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You are WRONG...the MEDIA is Wrong ...The REbugs are WRONG...and your comments are stupid !

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:25 PM on 05/21/2009
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Co-signed!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:41 PM on 05/21/2009
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Blah, Blah, Blah, Blah, Blah, Blah, Blah!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:31 AM on 05/21/2009

Real world, Congress is incompetent. Still the political game and its certainly frustrating. They are using taxpayers hard earned money,($80M?) Easy when its not your own.
We have prisons that hold serial killers, bombers. What is the real truth? We dump not only the mentally disabled onto the streets, we have dumping grounds of thieves, informants that are protected while the citizen suffers. No one wants to discuss this either.
If you are rich, you haven't a clue what is really happening around the USA. Nor do I think they care. It' s easier to manipulate the poor and uneducated instead of educating.
Congress is plain lazy and uninformed. Get out and spend a few months amongst the peasants.
Obama is trying to do the right thing, where's the loyalty.
Mine is with the people who give a ###. A few left.
We need a report card for all our public servants, today they would fail. We've let this go to long its now time to put them on notice. Sometimes I wonder what's worse, liars or thieves

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:31 AM on 05/21/2009
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an old-fashioned butt-kickin' indeed! great passion

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:47 PM on 05/21/2009

The senate are being daft. They need to close Guantanamo and get on with it. Having it linger on is just unacceptable. I fully support the President on this issue.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:21 AM on 05/21/2009
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I'm not convinced that Obama and his close advisors really want to close Guantanomo: opinion polls show that voters strongly oppose bringing Gitmo inmates into the US.

The Democratic Senators may be doing the President a favor by refusing to fund the closure so that Obama does not have to take the heat for violating yet another promise.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:31 AM on 05/21/2009
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