Abu Ghraib Ties To Gitmo Shown By DOJ Memos

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First Posted: 05-22-09 01:57 PM   |   Updated: 05-22-09 02:33 PM

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Yesterday, in his remarks at the American Enterprise Institute, former Vice President Dick Cheney protested that everyone had Abu Ghraib all wrong!

In public discussion of these matters, there has been a strange and sometimes willful attempt to conflate what happened at Abu Ghraib with the top-secret program of enhanced interrogations.


At Abu Ghraib, a few sadistic prison guards abused inmates in violation of American law, military regulation, and simple decency. For the harm they did to Iraqi prisoners and to America's cause, they deserved and received Army justice.

And it takes a deeply unfair cast of mind to equate the disgraces of Abu Ghraib with the lawful, skillful, and entirely honorable work of CIA personnel trained to deal with a few malevolent men.

But maybe there has been a "willful attempt to conflate what happened at Abu Ghraib with the top-secret program of enhanced interrogations," precisely because the two things are infinitely conflatable! Dan Froomkin takes on the issue in a report on Nieman Watchdog today and finds that Cheney's words just don't comport to observable reality:

A bipartisan report from the Senate Armed Services Committee released in December definitively concluded that the administration's repeated explanations of the abuse of detainees in U.S. custody at Guantanamo, Abu Ghraib and elsewhere was a pack of lies. "The abuse of detainees in U.S. custody cannot simply be attributed to the actions of 'a few bad apples' acting on their own," the report found. "The fact is that senior officials in the United States government solicited information on how to use aggressive techniques, redefined the law to create the appearance of their legality, and authorized their use against detainees."


Similarly, in his book "The Torture Team," [Phillipe] Sands documents how the Pentagon initially tried to blame officers at Guantanamo for the brutal interrogation regime there. As Sands wrote in this Vanity Fair excerpt, Bush administration officials insisted that "techniques were not imposed or encouraged by Washington, which had merely reacted to a request from below." They even maintained that the legal justification was initiated there as well. "It was not the result of legal positions taken by politically appointed lawyers in the upper echelons of the administration, and certainly not the Justice Department."

But, Sands wrote: "The real story, pieced together from many hours of interviews with most of the people involved in the decisions about interrogation, goes something like this: [The February 2002 memo in which Bush exempted war-on-terror detainees from the Geneva Conventions] was not a case of following the logic of the law but rather was designed to give effect to a prior decision to take the gloves off and allow coercive interrogation; it deliberately created a legal black hole into which the detainees were meant to fall. The new interrogation techniques did not arise spontaneously from the field but came about as a direct result of intense pressure and input from Rumsfeld's office. The Yoo-Bybee Memo was not simply some theoretical document, an academic exercise in blue-sky hypothesizing, but rather played a crucial role in giving those at the top the confidence to put pressure on those at the bottom. And the practices employed at Guantánamo led to abuses at Abu Ghraib.

"The fingerprints of the most senior lawyers in the administration were all over the design and implementation of the abusive interrogation policies. Addington, Bybee, Gonzales, Haynes, and Yoo became, in effect, a torture team of lawyers, freeing the administration from the constraints of all international rules prohibiting abuse."

It's important to note that President Barack Obama's decision to not release the most recent spate of detainee photos, is one that will preserve the disinformation spread by his predecessor::

The White House disinformation campaign has been so successful, however, that Abu Ghraib is still widely seen as an isolated incident - and not as the result of public policy decisions. That's the biggest reason why President Obama's recent decision to fight the court-ordered release of more prison-abuse photos was such a blow to accountability...The photos Obama is now trying to keep secret are said to depict prisoner abuse very much like that at Abu Ghraib - but at several other locations, including Guantanamo.

Froomkin's piece is the eighth in a series of stories on this matter, so don't just make do with these excerpts.

MORE:
Establishing the connection between the Bush White House and Abu Ghraib [Nieman Watchdog]

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Yesterday, in his remarks at the American Enterprise Institute, former Vice President Dick Cheney protested that everyone had Abu Ghraib all wrong! In public discussion of these matters, there has b...
Yesterday, in his remarks at the American Enterprise Institute, former Vice President Dick Cheney protested that everyone had Abu Ghraib all wrong! In public discussion of these matters, there has b...
 
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- flossophy I'm a Fan of flossophy 318 fans permalink
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So, L|nk|ns, are you getting paid to p|mp Sand's book?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:58 AM on 05/24/2009
- VOTER I'm a Fan of VOTER 161 fans permalink
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Who is paying you?

Are you paid in cash or still working for points to get
a McCain/Palin t-shirt?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:22 AM on 05/24/2009
- TexasDem0 I'm a Fan of TexasDem0 33 fans permalink

Little Dick has been working too hard on his exculpation tour.
He should take a vacation, maybe in the Netherlands or Spain.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:47 PM on 05/23/2009
- whitehawk I'm a Fan of whitehawk 16 fans permalink

The problem with Cheney is....."the entire world already knows how long, how many, and what instructions were given, even the abuses are noted with the Red Cross, International Human Right's violation's, all treaties have been broken with many death's of Iraqi's, Afghan's in prison's after the horrid abuse". Cheney still living in wild west with carrier pigeon's. You can't notice the ring thru his nose, the tattoo's on his body belonging to 'The" gang........he is described as Cheney the barbarian.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:06 PM on 05/23/2009
- Prakosh I'm a Fan of Prakosh 195 fans permalink
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The angler may have reeled in some giant carp on his latest cast...

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:45 PM on 05/23/2009
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This is a travesty! Stop pointing fingers, it's doing nothing! Educate yourselves, and then become outraged, it's the only way it's going to get you people off the couch and into the streets. I'm appalled at some of the claims going on, and you should be too!

http://www.newyorker.com/archive/2004/05/10/040510fa_fact?currentPage=1

http://www.salon.com/politics/war_room/2004/07/15/hersh/index.html

http://forum.prisonplanet.com/index.php?topic=69246.0;wap2

Stop looking forward, as Obama says, and realize the things that went on in America's name.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:13 PM on 05/23/2009
- garymc8 I'm a Fan of garymc8 32 fans permalink

gop still trying to blame innocent WOMEN for cheney's SICK DEPRAVED DISGUSTING TORTURING. They will never regain power as the sadists torture party.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:06 PM on 05/23/2009

Our bright and articulate President -- is running away from these facts with his tail between his legs.

It is disgusting to behold our President attempt to sell the American people the idea that he can negotiate a "middle ground" with torture.

This "middle ground" obsession that Obama has with many important issues is going to wear thin very soon with a lot of his most ardent supporters.

Why - because he doesn't really take the "middle ground" His methodology is the following -

1) avoid Progressives publicly - but try to keep them in the fold.
2) Go out of his way to publicly acknowledge Conservative concerns and attempt to incorporate their ideas into his policies
3) Come out with statements & policies that reinterpret and distort the "Left's" position in order to strike a phony balance that appeals more to his right wing critics.

Its called Bill Clinton Lite with a tan. Our President knows the buzz words and phraseology to excite people - yet I don't see a man who has much courage for substantial change.

He wants to negotiate with an increasingly irrelevant conservative wing of the Republican Party. Its a fools errand.

I hope and pray that this torture issue - blows up in his face - and FORCES him to stop tap-dancing around the Gdamn "rule of law" on torture and look evil in the eye-- If he cannot do this then who in the hell have we elected?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:34 AM on 05/23/2009
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I'm also baffled that the right wing minority has such a hold on our President and the Congress.
Hello folks, we won the election, now lets proceed with enforcing the Rule of Law.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:05 PM on 05/23/2009

A friendly word of advice. It is better to use one's own brain to form opinions than to regurgitate talking points from people who are trying to distort reality in order to protect themselves from having to face the consequences of their unlawful, immoral, and ineffectual history.

There is no such thing as "middle ground" on torture. Either you endorse torture or you don't. The president has said "we do not torture" (not anymore after Cheney).

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:41 PM on 05/23/2009

Why should he use his political "capital" when the courts will decide in the end. He obviously can't on the Democrats in Congress to support him as evidenced by their spineless vote on Gitmo.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:40 PM on 05/23/2009
- jmpurser I'm a Fan of jmpurser 150 fans permalink

I hate to say it but I agree. At first I bought the argument that he was just making sure the right was being heard, or that he was trying to get them to "buy into" his solutions but now it's pretty clear that some of the same abominations that caused the uprising against the right are in fact core Obama administration policies.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:57 AM on 05/24/2009
- realpolitic I'm a Fan of realpolitic 146 fans permalink

The article describes why it so so important to realize the recent photos of detainee abuse. It will show, I bet, how similar the abuse was to that at Abu Gharib and further illustrate how the orders to abuse prisoners came from the top.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:46 AM on 05/23/2009
- Prakosh I'm a Fan of Prakosh 195 fans permalink
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That and they show just how far tat abuse actually went beyond anything we have seen so far. There was a reason that Rumsfeld went before Congress and begged them not to force the release of these photos and wasn't because they were just more of the same. He explained that they were much worse and that they would be an embarrassment to the united States in the world community. He was deathly afraid of the release of these photos and evidently after viewing them Obama felt the same way as the Bushies. It's too bad that he had to lie about their force and content the way he did in claiming that they were just more of the same. Even Rumsfeld wasn't prepared to make that claim.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:48 AM on 05/23/2009
- M4dwoman I'm a Fan of M4dwoman 17 fans permalink
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I am afraid that they are very bad. I don't need to see any more pictures, because the ones I've seen (displayed proudly and often by the news media 24 hours a day) tell me all I need to know. I don't need to see graphic images (no thanks, Mel, I put it together all on my own and was horrified) to know that all accounts of Jesus' death described awful, barbaric torture. Just looking at medieval instruments of torture ruined a tour I took because I couldn't get the images, or their purpose, out of my head.
Let the jury see these photos before they pass judgment on the evil people who did this in my name. That should be enough for a life sentence.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:03 PM on 05/23/2009
- realpolitic I'm a Fan of realpolitic 146 fans permalink

Another good reason to realize them is that they show the horrors and evils of warfare. In war, terrible things will happen and eventually the world will know. It is better if we show the world we do not tolerate such treatment of prisoners by releasing the photos.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:32 AM on 05/24/2009

Unfortunately the main stream media won't tell the truth that the rest of the world knows and has known for years now. Check out some of the articles on statements by the Red Cross, Amnesty International and journalists around the world including American journalists.

http://www.salon.com/politics/war_room/2004/07/15/hersh/index.html

http://forum.prisonplanet.com/index.php?topic=69246.0%3Bwap2

Also read about how righteous some of the GOP members are

http://www.armchairsubversive.org/

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:04 AM on 05/23/2009
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Oh my, this stuff makes me sick...Thanks for the links, it's important everyone read them...here's one I just got done with...We CAN NOT LET OBAMA BRUSH THIS UNDER THE RUG!

http://www.newyorker.com/archive/2004/05/10/040510fa_fact?currentPage=1

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:57 PM on 05/23/2009
- grf67 I'm a Fan of grf67 35 fans permalink

cheney is a criminal and a coward. He prosecuted Army soldiers for following his direstions and then defends himself by saying it is not torture. It is time that cheney was charged and put under oath. We can let him keep his passport as he would be tried and convicted immediately in any other country.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:52 AM on 05/23/2009
- danoman56 I'm a Fan of danoman56 3 fans permalink

I equate Cheney with the start of a very bad day ultimately ending up with a stupid fight with my girlfriend over undone dishes in the sink. I'd slept in after a restless night balancing business and personal worries as well as noisy neighbors who think Hip hop is what your furniture is supposed to do across the floor when it's played, but I disgress. Things are always brighter in the morning so I turn on CNN only to see Dick Cheney, I quickly mute the TV this this must be some replay of some old speech or, Maybe he's popped a vesel in his brain as they are running some stock footage. Then i see the LIVE in the bottom corner of the screen. What could this dinosaur be saying that rated live coverage in the middle of the week? Then I see the AEI logo behind him. Even I know the American Enterprise Institute is a right wing group of fanatics and what could be newsworthy about a speech to them by Cheney, MAYBE He's dead!! I unmutted the TV.
this the ruination of my day bagan!!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:38 AM on 05/23/2009

Or a terrifying, recurring nightmare!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:41 PM on 05/23/2009
- gouge I'm a Fan of gouge 9 fans permalink

Cheney needs to go up on charges of War Crimes -Obama is making a major mistake by not taking this criminal down.....clearly Cheney was the guy who ordered up Abu Ghraib and the abuses at Gitmo-

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:00 AM on 05/23/2009
- fourex I'm a Fan of fourex 15 fans permalink
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Dick Cheney is a criminal, who should not have access to the American people and democracy he betrayed.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:38 AM on 05/23/2009
- moxieme I'm a Fan of moxieme 12 fans permalink

Dick Cheney's Watergate is on its way. I am ecstatic. He's trying to get out in front of it, the John Dean of the Bush administration. The manner in which he keeps attacking President Obama just exposes the mentality f the GOP leadership. They are still in shock that a person of color sits in the White House as President. They are still in shock that he is an intellectual and a thinker. That he is reserved, yet bold. I find it interesting that the GOP is satisfied with steppin' fetchin' Michael Steele. He's just a figurehead, a poor one at that. I'm embarassed for him every time he opens his mouth. He probably bleeds green blood. To them, President Obama can't do anything right. Yet the GOP expects President Obama to follow their directives. Have they convinced themselves that President Obama and Michael Steel are of the same ilk? They can continue this madness if they want to. There's only so many people they can keep inviting to leave they party. I fled as fast as I could after we invaded Iraq under false pretenses. At least former President Bush Dubya has the class and dignity to keep silent. Cheney is a fool.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:11 PM on 05/22/2009
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